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June 10, 2010

Can the Jews ever forgive the Germans for the Holocaust?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 7:57 am

Today I woke up feeling really good.  My first thoughts were about the many wonderful trips that I’ve made to Germany in the past 15 years.  I was planning to go to Germany again in May, but my flight was canceled at the last minute and I decided not to book another flight, but to wait until October. The first thing I do when I get up in the morning is to check my e-mail.  My good mood and my wonderful memories of Germany evaporated in an instant when I read an e-mail from a good friend who sent me a link to an  article written by Anita Epstein, who survived the Holocaust because her parents sent her, as a baby, to live with a Polish Catholic family. Her article was published on the web site of the Jewish Daily Forward. If you don’t want to ruin your day, don’t click on the link to the article here.

Anita Epstein’s article was about how she taunted a young German woman, who was a guest in her home, by asking her if she could throw a baby off a balcony?  This young woman didn’t know what the hell she was talking about, and Epstein explained how the Germans killed babies during the Holocaust by throwing them off balconies or bashing their heads against something.  Every Holocaust survivor memoir has a story about how the survivor witnessed a German soldier grabbing an infant from the arms of its mother and bashing its head against a tree or the side of a train.  One survivor witnessed the ultimate horror when a German soldier grabbed a baby by the legs and ripped its body in two.  Out of the 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust, 1.5 million were babies and children.

It was during World War I that the stories of the Germans killing babies first got started. The British were trying to get America into a war that had nothing to do with America.  In 1914, when World War I started, one of every four Americans could speak German and most of them had learned it at home from their parents.  German was the second language of Americans, not Spanish.  My own father was a second generation American, and he fought against his German relatives in World War I.  The British had to tell some whoppers to get first and second generation German Americans to fight on their side in a war against Germany.

The British were so successful with their lies about Germans killing babies that many German Americans changed their German names to an English name.  Members of the British royal family changed their German names to an English version.  For example, Battenberg became Mountbatten.  Even today, Glenn Beck says that he is ashamed to acknowledge his German heritage; his original last name was probably Bäck or Bäcker.

The German names of some towns in Missouri were changed. My parents used to refer to a town in Missouri by its original name, before the British lies caused the inhabitants to change the name of their town.  It was because of this that I learned very early about the British lies.

The most famous British lie was the one about the German soldiers “cutting the hands off the babies in Belgium.”  Another favorite was the British lie about German soldiers “throwing babies up in the air and using them for target practice.”  By World War II, the lie about “cutting the hands off babies” had been dropped, but the lie about “throwing babies up in the air and using them for target practice” was still being used. The favorite lie of World War II was “bashing the heads of babies against a tree,” followed closely by “throwing babies off balconies.”

I grew up listening to my parents talk about “the war.”  They were referring to World War I, of course.  World War I was called “the Great War,” until World War II  became an even greater war. When my father fought in World War I, he never knew whether he was shooting one of his relatives.  I wonder if the British appreciate that German American men fought two wars for them.

The British did admit, after World I was over, that they had told lies about the German soldiers.  Unfortunately, the lies told about German soldiers in World War II are still being told today and this is causing great anguish for people like Anita Epstein, as well as for the German people of today.

One thing that I observed about German men, when I lived in Germany for 21 months after World War II, is that they had an unusual love for babies.  The German men made a big fuss over every baby that they saw, out with their mothers, taking a stroll in a fancy baby buggy, whereas American men couldn’t care less about the babies of strangers.

33 Comments »

  1. I will forgive, but not forget. My great grandparents were killed in the holocaust. But, most Germans around today don’t hate Jews or other minorities. I lived in Germany for a few years and they were very nice. They loved babies and foreigners and almost everybody I met was a good person. They haven’t forgotten yet and a lot of Germans feel bad, so it’s only fair that we forgive.

    Comment by Anne — July 6, 2014 @ 9:43 pm

    • When I lived in Germany for two years, after the war, my impression of the German people was also that “they were very nice.” It is remarkable how the Germans completely changed, from monsters, to nice people, as soon as the war was over. Or were they always nice people?

      Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2014 @ 11:03 am

  2. I’m a welsh jew who though meeting someone in university married a german girl but her grandfather openly aments to killin jews so i forgive the family but not that wanker

    Comment by fozik — March 29, 2013 @ 8:53 pm

  3. It was Germany attacking the US navy which caused America to enter the 1st World War. With regards to the second, I have many German relatives and I get so fed up with hearing how much Germany suffered during the 2nd World War. They seem to think it is unfair Britain did not just roll over and let them invade.

    http://www.history.com/videos/world-war-i-germans-attack-us-navy-boats#world-war-i-germans-attack-us-navy-boats

    Comment by lisalee — September 16, 2012 @ 6:07 am

    • So true, I am British and have many German relatives. They are forever complaining about how much they suffered during the war and how the British bombed their cities (like they didn’t bomb British cities first). They talk about how unfair it was that German men were put into camps at the end of the war while ignoring the Germans did the same to Dutch, Polish etc. Usually I am very English and too polite to say anything but I want to say what did the Germans expect for the British to just to roll over and let them invade? Once I did say ”not only the Germans suffered what about the Jews?’ And one of my relatives said ‘what about the Jews I’m so sick of hearing about the Jews’ – good grief.

      Comment by Superted — June 9, 2013 @ 12:41 pm

  4. I like to refresh the memory on this : Britain kept the sea blockade of Germany intact well after the end of WW1 !!. The proud and mighty Royal Navy managed to kill several hundreds of thousends of woman,children and seniors by starvation. Protests by other nations and the Red Cross were ignored (Another heroic act with Winston Churchill’s signature ). In order to force Germany to speed up the signing of the the Versailles extortion contract

    Comment by H>Keitel — January 3, 2012 @ 3:01 am

    • If you understand german, please watch the following docu-videos on youtube: “Der zweite 30-jährige Krieg”. Three parts. Ca. 3 hours total.

      Wir müssen verstehen, dass eine der stärksten Waffen der Gegner unser Wille ist, uns ein schlechtes Gewissen aufgrund unserer Geschichte anlügen zu lassen.

      Such bitte auf youtube die Doku “Der zweite 30-jährige Krieg”.

      Besteht aus 3 Teilen mit insgesamt knapp über 3 Stunden Dokumentation.
      Dort kann man viele Informationen finden, die von der offiziell verordneten Geschichtsschreibung ganz gerne “vergessen” werden.
      Z. B. bei User „bavarikus” ungekürzt zu sehen.

      Comment by fitnessdrink — January 3, 2012 @ 10:27 am

  5. Are you all a bunch of freakin Nazi’s?
    I’m sorry, but are you that stupid?

    Germany’s policies, government and alot of its people were the personification of pure evil, before and during world war 2.

    Reading your comments alot of you seem
    a) in denial
    b) really damn s-l-o-w
    c) rasists twats who should probably be shot to save us the misery of your opinion.

    You’re a bunch of nazis and i hope you die a terribe painful death, cos…well lets face it you won’te be missed.

    Comment by jemma slodon — November 12, 2011 @ 5:40 am

    • I’m glad that I opened up the comment section on my old posts. It’s great to hear from the younger generation that has had Holocaust education since the fifth grade. Are the German people still the personification of pure evil, in your opinion?

      Comment by furtherglory — November 12, 2011 @ 8:32 am

  6. That is one overly presumptuous question. The question assumes that the holohoax was 100 percent real. If you do the research, as I did, you will quickly find out that the holohoax is nothing more than another jew extortion racket. In fact, in israel, they call it the shoah corporation or shoah business.

    Comment by Wake Up America — March 23, 2011 @ 12:07 pm

  7. I’m pretty sure that the Palestinian kids will never forgive the Jews!!!

    Comment by Linda — January 22, 2011 @ 11:30 am

  8. No, they can’t forgive! They still need money.

    Comment by Gasan — October 4, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

  9. ES IST SCHON ERSTAUNLICH DAS ANFANG DER NEINZIGER JAHRE DIE RUSSEN IHRE ARCHIVE IN PODOLSK GEOFFNET HABER!! UND ABER LEIDER WIEDER GESCHLOSSEN HABEN BIS 2047
    DIESE ARCHIVE SIND EIGENTLICH DEUSCHES EIGENTUM WEIL ES REICHSARCHIVE SIND!
    DIE BRITSCHEN ARCHIVE BESONNDERS DIE UM HESS FRIEDENS BEMUHUNGEN IN FRUJAHR 1941 SIND WEITER BIS 2017 GESPERRT!
    DANACH IST ZU SCHLIESSEN, WAS HABEN DIESE VERBRECHER NUR ZU VERBERGEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by wolfgang — September 15, 2010 @ 4:47 pm

    • My answer: I know that a lot of the records taken from the camps by the Russians are still being kept secret. The British have sealed court records for years and so have the French. The truth will not be known until after most of us are dead. I will be taking an advanced German class in October and maybe then I will attempt to respond in German.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 15, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

      • Hope you were succesful in the advanced German class. Please feel free to watch the following youtube-videos.
        Wir müssen verstehen, dass eine der stärksten Waffen der Gegner unser Wille ist, uns ein schlechtes Gewissen aufgrund unserer Geschichte anlügen zu lassen. Such bitte auf youtube die Doku “Der zweite 30-jährige Krieg”. Besteht aus 3 Teilen mit insgesamt knapp über 3 Stunden Dokumentation. Dort kann man viele Informationen finden, die von der offiziell verordneten Geschichtsschreibung ganz gerne “vergessen” werden. Z. B. bei User „bavarikus” ungekürzt zu sehen.

        Comment by fitnessdrink — January 3, 2012 @ 10:29 am

    • Du sagst es. Warum sind die Archive geschlossen? Nun, es könnten sehr viele Wahrheiten an´s Tageslicht kommen, die für andere Nationen bzw. deren Politiker sehr unangenehm / demaskieren sein könnten.

      Ich will es mal in eine Metapher kleiden: Katyn ist nur ein einzelner Eiskristall von der Spitze des Eisberges.

      schreib mir doch mal eine Mail an: bavarikus (at) gmx.de

      Comment by bavarikus — September 16, 2010 @ 5:23 am

  10. i hope some speak german hear!
    das its ja richtig interesant was leute hier schreiben!
    somit mussen ja alle hier nazis sein!
    DAS IST JA SEHR SCHLIMMMMMM!!!!!
    ABER WARUM IST DAS SO SCHLIMM???WIR SIND DOCH DEUSCHE VORALLEM!!!!!! jeder hat ein recht auf seine meinung!
    ich komme mir hier in den usa schon langsam vor wieder bei der STASI zu sein!!!
    MUT HALTEN KOPF RUNTER GESICHT ZUR WAND!!!!!!!!

    Comment by wolfgang — September 15, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

    • There are several German speakers who regularly read this blog.

      Here’s what I think you wrote:

      It is really interesting what people write here.
      So you must all be Nazis.
      That is indeed very bad.
      But why is that so bad?
      We are above all German, in spite of that.
      Everyone has a right to his opinion.
      I came to the USA but I don’t want to be back with the Secret Police.
      Keep your head down and your face to the wall. (an order like the Secret Police would give)

      I understand your words, but not your meaning. Maybe someone else can tell us what this person is trying to say.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 15, 2010 @ 4:54 pm

  11. I hope you can understand german language, then you can read the text below.

    And especially you could understand the 4 promoted videos “Aufklärungsvideos” = clarification-videos.

    It´s about the pre-history of both (sic!) world-wars. The videos are sooooo extremely interesting.

    If you don´t speak german … well, I am still looking for a person who will make subtitles to the videos. I hope I will solve that problem during the next 6 months.

    Wish you a nice day.
    bavarikus

    ————————————————————————————————
    Zur Psychose unserer Nation:
    Die Verbrechen anderer Staaten werden bagatellisiert, während a) die deutschen Verbrechen maßlos übertrieben werden und b) der geschichtliche Kontext vollkommen verzerrt dargestellt wird. Beginnend bei der Unterschlagung von Fakten bis hin zur offenen Geschichtsfälschung.

    Siehe unten den gesamten Aufklärungstext (jeweils in 512-Zeichen-Häppchen wegen der Youtube-Grenze).

    Bitte an Alle weiter verteilen! Je mehr Deutsche die Wahrheit erfahren, desto besser.

    —————- Aufklärungstext Anfang (Textblöcke kleiner als 512 Zeichen —————–
    Wir müssen uns zunächst über die Situation klar werden. Warum lassen sich die Deutschen so erniedrigen? Ein wesentlicher Teil der Antwort besteht in der Erkenntnis, dass man uns Deutsche seit Jahrzehnten über wichtige Teile der Geschichte belogen hat. So glauben (zu) viele Deutsche, dass alleine die Aggressivität der Deutschen zu den beiden Weltkriegen geführt habe. Und dieser Schuldkomplex macht wehrlos. Die wahren Ursachen beider Weltkriege bleiben im Dunkeln.

    Die Sache ist wesentlich komplexer als man es hier darstellen könnte. Sie umfasst insbesondere auch die Zeit vor dem ersten (!) Weltkrieg. Ein Teil der Wahrheit lagert noch heute unter Verschluss in ausländischen Archiven. Aber derjenige Teil der Wahrheit, der bereits zugänglich ist, wird in den Videos sehr gut heraus gearbeitet.

    Schau die Videos an. Sie sind sehr aufschlussreich. Siehe auch unter vorkriegsgeschichte . de oder inkultura-online.de / rhonhof . htm

    Aufklärungsvideos:
    1) Der zweite 30-jährige Krieg Teil 1 (1. Weltkrieg)
    2) Der zweite 30-jährige Krieg Teil 2 (Zwischenkriegszeit)
    3) Hitlers Krieg – Was Guido Knopp verschweigt. (2. Weltkrieg)
    4) Wer wollte den Krieg — Vortrag General Schultze-Rhonhof (zur Vorgeschichte des 2. WK)

    Desöfteren gelöscht oder von D. aus nicht sichtbar. Man will nicht, dass wir Deutsche die Wahrheit erfahren.

    Hier in hoher Auflösung downloadbar
    filefront . com / user / bavarikus
    ———————————— Aufklärungstext Ende ————————————

    Comment by bavarikus — June 19, 2010 @ 1:18 pm

  12. I’m sorry; I should have written “No,” for Jews cannot forgive Germans (and Austrians who joined the party) for the Holocaust.

    As for the other question about Glenn Beck, it’s obvious Obama cannot turn America into a Communist country. The principle idea of communism is that all private property is illegal, and he could not possibly accomplish that. Under fascism (Mussolini’s), there was still private property, so you are right.

    Comment by paolosilv — June 13, 2010 @ 1:02 am

  13. No.

    Comment by paolosilv — June 13, 2010 @ 12:58 am

  14. I think that you are a know-it-all who wishes that you could have been Joseph Goebbels.

    Comment by steve jones — June 12, 2010 @ 6:42 pm

  15. You need to put down the crack pipe!

    Comment by jstalin — June 12, 2010 @ 6:26 pm

  16. Glenn Beck is a right-wing nutjob that would have been a Nazi in WWII.

    Comment by Steve Jones — June 10, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

    • In his last couple of shows, Glenn Beck has been talking about the Nazis being Socialists so he lumps the Nazis in with the Communist Soviet Union and says that Nazi Germany was a leftist country. Beck is against Obama because Obama is trying to turn America into a Socialist country. Beck doesn’t seem to understand that the Nazis were Fascists and what Obama is really doing is turning America into a Fascist country. I am using the word Fascism to mean the system of government where the government owns some of the industry and controls all of the country’s industry. Communism is the system of government in which the government owns all the industry.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 10, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

      • The monumental blindness and stupidity, unmatched barbarism and sadism of America and Britain nearly brought a new Dark Age upon a world dominated, not by them, but by the Soviet Union and communism, Although the Nazis and fascists lost the war—their heroic struggle with hardly any resources against overwhelming odds allowed western civilization to survive. After 1945, it was the atomic bomb, beyond everything else, which allowed the west to survive—but before that, it was Adolf HITLER who saved us.

        Even if the holocaust story were true, the war crimes and atrocities committed by the US and Britain were far worse. The US and Britain as a matter of thoughtfully crafted “strategy,”initiated the mass murder of huge masses of totally innocent women, children and babies by deliberately r-o-as-t-i-n-g them to death—and continued these sadistic and cowardly crimes long after there ceased to be any danger to the US or Britain. If the Nazis had murdered people in gas chambers, that would have been humane by comparison. In fact, however, Nazi gassings never happened! The Nazis were the “Good Guys.” The anti-Nazis, especially the Americans, were the ”Bad Guys”—and they still are. Holocaust propaganda is the continuation of anti-Nazi lunacy driven by the most rabidly racist and destructive people on the planet.

        Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 10, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

      • Anybody that watches Glenn Beck and believes that President Obama is a fascist is a complete idiot. You probably are a teabagger, too.

        Comment by Steve Jones — June 11, 2010 @ 9:49 pm

        • You probably think that Fascism means killing Jews. Fascism is both a form of government and an economic system, just like Communism. As invented by Mussolini, Fascism means government control of workers and companies, as well as a strong police presence. Obama gave bailout money to companies; in the case of Wells Fargo, the company didn’t want the money but was forced to take it. Obama forced CEOs to resign. That is controlling workers and industry, and the name for that is Fascism. Fascism is Communism light. Glenn Beck is now saying that the Obama administration really wants full on Communism in America.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 12, 2010 @ 6:25 am

  17. The Nazis and SS shared their food, medicine and much more with the Jews—even until the very last days of the war! The misery and deaths of thousands in many of the camps at the end of the war were the Allies’ own doing. Mass starvartion of Germany had been one of the principal objects of British, and later American, strategy from the beginning—and amazingly, Jews died as well. The victors have nothing to be proud of. Ultimately, all that holocaust propaganda and “scholarship” really proves is that when Hitler tried to expel Jews from Germany forever, he certainly had the right idea.

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 10, 2010 @ 8:25 am

    • I didn’t know about a British plan to starve the Germans, but America had the Morgenthau Plan which was the plan to turn Germany into an agricultural country with no industry. America stole everything from the German factories, even the German engineers, and then went into the part of Germany that had been promised to the Soviets and stole as much as they could before the Soviets got there, including German engineers like Werner von Braun. America became the super power that it is today because of the goods and technology stolen from Germany. The British and the French lost their empires, but America won World War II, which was a war fought for hegemony.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 10, 2010 @ 9:55 am

      • “Mass starvation”of German civilians certainly was a major feature of British wartime strategy against Germany. That was what the blockade of German ports was intended to achieve. The blockade was imposed with Britain’s declaration of war against Germany in September of 1939. It seemed so much wiser for the cowardly British to try to starve German civilians rather than fight German soldiers.

        Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — June 10, 2010 @ 3:42 pm

        • Thanks for telling us about the blockade in 1939. I had never heard of it. I knew that the British blockaded Germany to starve the Germans into signing the Treaty of Versailles after World War I.

          Comment by furtherglory — June 10, 2010 @ 4:55 pm

          • Good grief do you think the Germans didn’t blockade British ports? The Brits did not starve because they had rationing and were very organised but yet again – how much the Germans suffered. Just because they started a war everyone gangs up on them.

            Comment by Superted — June 9, 2013 @ 1:02 pm


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