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February 2, 2011

How many German Jews were killed in the Holocaust?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 8:27 am

Everyone knows that there were 6 million Jews murdered in the Holocaust, but how many of them were Jewish citizens of Germany?

This question was on my mind today, as I was reading an article on the Huffington Post with the title “An American Jew Roams in Germany.”

This quote is from the article, which was written by a Rabbi:

Although this was my fifth visit, the specter of the holocaust always accompanied me. How could it not? The enormity of the crime leaves permanent shadows. Hints of it exist in all the holocaust symbolism that one cannot shake: the trains that pass, the Synagogues that were burned to the ground and later rebuilt, the large Third Reich ministries that still remain, and the police who carry automatic weapons (ironically, most of them are posted outside Jewish community centers to protect them). This was once the most dangerous of all places for a Jew and even today, though Germany is a thoroughly modern and tolerant society, the ghosts of six million dead still haunt it.  

In reading this article, I was struck by the fact that this man was in so much pain on his FIFTH visit to Germany; he could not get past “the enormity of the crime” committed by the German people against the Jews three generations ago.  Strangely, he did not say in his article whether or not any of his family members were among the German Jews who were killed in the Holocaust; nor did he say that anybody in his family was a Holocaust survivor.

On my last visit to Germany, I was in Munich and I wanted to visit the new Synagogue.  I knew approximately where it was, but I couldn’t locate the building because it is set back from the street.  I was within a block or two of the Synagogue when I decided that I should just ask one of the Germans on the street.  I stopped three or four people and asked them in German where the Synagogue was located.  Each and every one of them looked at me with fear in their eyes, mumbled “Ich weiss nicht.” and hurried off.

Finally, I approached an elderly German woman and began by saying in German: “Ich bin kein Jude.”  She smiled and gave me detailed directions in English. My point is that now it is not the Jews who are afraid of the Germans; it is the Germans who are afraid of the Jews.  The German people try their best to be nice to the Jews today, but it is never enough.

Even in America, one can’t be too careful about offending the Jews.  Last night, Bill O’Reilly asked Alan Colmes if he was a “Jewish person?”  He acted as if he were afraid to say the word Jew.

Getting back to my question of how many Jews from the country of Germany were killed in the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum gives this information on their web site here:

In January 1933, some 522,000 Jews by religious definition lived in Germany. Over half of these individuals, approximately 304,000 Jews, emigrated during the first six years of the Nazi dictatorship, leaving only approximately 214,000 Jews in Germany proper (1937 borders) on the eve of World War II.

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In all, the Germans and their collaborators killed between 160,000 and 180,000 German Jews in the Holocaust, including most of those Jews deported out of Germany.

So the maximum number of German Jews who were killed in the Holocaust is 180,000.  I recall reading somewhere (I can’t remember where) that the number of German Jews killed was 120,000.  I also recall that the number of Jews who hid and were never sent to a camp was around 10,000 and that 60,000 Jews had returned to Germany immediately after World War II ended.

At the Wannsee Conference on Jan. 20, 1942, the minutes of the meeting stated that there were 131,800 Jews in “Germany proper” and 43,000 Jews in Austria.  In view of this, it seems to me that the number of 120,000 is more accurate than the figures given by the USHMM.

I checked with the Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs’ and Heroes’ Remembrance Authority in Jerusalem, which gives this information:

There is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. The figure commonly used is the six million established by the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1946 and repeated later by Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official.

So the 6 million figure was “established by the Nuremberg Tribunal,” but how many of these 6 million Jews were German Jews?  As the saying goes: Even one would be too many.

In the article entitled “An American Jew Roams in Germany,” the author mentions that he went to the Memorial in Berlin. He wrote this about his emotions when he saw the Memorial:

It is a stunning and sobering site, consisting of thousands of coffin-like objects that form a maze. Underneath it all is a small and powerful museum that neatly captures the horror of the crime. Reading the panels and seeing the pictures of my people being slaughtered en mass brought sadness but also anger, conflicting emotions made all the more strange by the fact that I was feeling anger at the very people who had put up the memorial up to take a measure of responsibility. One picture in particular left me numb. It was of a little girl, about five years of age, who had just stepped off the train in Auschwitz. It was bitterly cold around her and she had no shoes. Yet she was playing with something in her hands, oblivious to the horror that surrounded her. No doubt she was dead less than an hour after the picture was taken, her young lungs filled with German poison gas.

I’ve never been to the Museum at the Memorial site in Berlin, so I don’t know what picture the Rabbi was talking about, but it was probably one of the photos from the Auschwitz Album.  The photo below shows a group of Hungarian Jews who have just gotten off a train at the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp.  One of the children looks like a five-year-old girl, although she is wearing shoes.  There were many similar photos taken in May 1944 when the Hungarian Jews were deported.

Hungarian Jews who have just arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau

In October 1999, I visited the Museum at the Wannsee mansion where the Wannsee Conference was held on Jan. 20, 1942.  Section 14 in the Wannsee Museum is the last display; it is entitled “Liberation of the Camps.” Here is a quote from Section 14:

All historical investigations and calculations agree that between five and six million Jews were killed. More than a million met their deaths in ghettos and camps; at least as many died in mass executions, the remainder perished in the gas chambers.

The total number of Jews that were gassed, according to the Wannsee Museum, was 3,652,000.  The Museum does not give numbers according to the country of origin.

15 Comments »

  1. You guys are all stupid. Whether 1 or 6 million the asshole Hitler should of died just like the Jews that was better and smarter then the Germans. God bless your souls..

    Comment by laura — July 10, 2014 @ 12:47 am

    • Do you hear yourself? “the Jews that was better and smarter than the Germans” It was this attitude, that made Hitler want to get the Jews out of Germany. The Jews believe that only Jews are human; non-Jews are goyim and are not human, so it is O.K. for a Jew to kill a goy, since they are not human. In the Jewish religion, it is O.K. to lie, steal and cheat because their victims are not human. Read the news, and learn what the Jews have recently done in Israel — burning an innocent teenage boy ALIVE. Hitler didn’t want that to happen in Germany.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2014 @ 7:05 am

  2. Whatever happened was really insane and against humanity and even now Jews are not left in peace, they are still attacked by the thier neighbouring countries time and again.

    Comment by Ankit Jha — November 29, 2012 @ 3:35 am

    • Do you have an explanation for why the Jews have been persecuted since the year 70 AD when they were chased out of Palestine by the Romans? The Jews have been evicted from many countries, starting in 1270 when they were evicted by the British. What did the Jews ever do to make non-Jews hate them? Do you have an explanation for why the Jews are being attacked in Israel today? There is a name for people who hate Jews (anti-Semite). Is there a name for people who hate other ethnic groups or religions? Why is it only the Jews who are hated?

      Comment by furtherglory — November 29, 2012 @ 7:09 am

  3. Really How many so-call Jews was killed in the Holocaust? How did the so-call Jews go from a Population of 460,000 to six million? As you know the word Jew was created 1775 and did enter in the so-call Bible until 1870. When are people going to stop lying? How do you or anyone knows that six million so-call Jews were killed in the Holocaust? Were you there counting the bodies of the people that were killed? Do they have official record proving were six million so-Jews were killed? To kill that many people is disgusting. But what I hate the most is a liar. Jew is a English word.

    Comment by James Maxey — March 18, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  4. TREBLINKO ALONE KILLED 950000 JEWISH PEOPLE

    Comment by PHIL — November 14, 2011 @ 12:42 pm

    • The Jews who were killed at Treblinka were not all from Germany. There were only 585,000 Jews in Germany when Hitler came to power in January 1933. The question in my blog post was “How many German Jews were killed in the Holocaust?”

      Comment by furtherglory — November 15, 2011 @ 7:09 am

  5. Most of you here need to do some serious reading. Many years ago, the gas chamber myth was disproven as a fraud. The famous sign at Aushwitz was also seriously numbered down from 4 million to 1.5 million, rounding up from 1.1 million. The amount of lies told to benefit the Zionist’s ambition is countless. Emigration records, Soviet records and historical documents all show that there was never even 6 million Jewish people under that territory that Nazi Germany controlled at it’s height. First, it was claimed that there were 22 camps that were extermination camps with gas chambers, then that number was changed to 6, all in Poland, which at the time was under Soviet control and thus, unable to be inspected.

    There was approximately 2.8 million Jewish people living in Poland in 1939 in the Soviet sphere of Poland. Most of them, approximately 80% were moved to the East. There was massive migrations of Jewish people to Palestine, United States, Latin America and elsewhere between 1933-9 before the war had started. Around 200,000 Jewish soldiers fought for the Nazis during WW2 and there many Jewish people, approximately 1 million who fought for the Soviets vs. the Germans.

    Then you come to the people who were allowed in the Camps and had detailed records, the Red Cross. Their records indicate that there were around 340,000 who perished there in the concentration camps from all causes: typhus, other diseases, malnutrition, executed, etc. One must remember, there was large emigrations before 1939 and into 1941. The range of Jewish people who died in all concentration camps for all reasons is 300,000-600,000 this being the most responsible number yet to date because of new research, documents available since the Soviet Union broke up and unbiased scholars who identified the fantasy and absurdity of the 6 million figure that had been recited by several prominent Zionist as early as the 1920’s! Later, in 1942 a prominent Rabbi was already using the figure 6 million, who did he know or come up with this figure? Suffering of people, of which many in these camps were Roma, Gypsies, Slavs, etc. should be mentioned in the same vein.

    The revelation you never learn in your filtered American history is the Germans lost far more lives in the POW camps and the starvation camps at the war’s end than did the Jewish by far. Example, at the war’s end, under the instructions of Eisonhoewer and his vengeful and hateful subordinates, the Germans in Silesia, Balkans, large regions of southern Russia, 12-14 million Germans who were not under Nazi territory, didn’t participate in the war and were not even citizen of Germany or the Reich were deported from the homes and sent west. There were interned in camps in miserable conditions, feed the bare minimum and treated like complete dogs. There were not part of the war, but again they were villified for simply being of German heritage. Records indicate between 2-4 million of them perished in these camps and another 2.5 million perished in Soviet POW camps as well.

    The lies of the victors and person of interest have been lying, making outrageous distortions and outright fabrications to paint this picture that is so egregiously false that it is a shameful excuse for anyone to be presented and accept these lies told until you take them as fact.

    The most responsible and respected scholars who look at the facts, documents, responsible testimonies with a scholarly eye would tell you this.

    Around 5 million Jewish people were under Hitler’s sphere at it’s height, thus making it impossible for 6 million to die in camps.
    Demographic detailed studies, emigration records for the United States, Latin America, Palestine and the Soviet Union, indicate that there were millions of Jewish people who landed in these various parts of the world.
    Between 300-600K Jewish people perished in the camps for all reasons and approximately that same level of non-Jews, that are seldom discussed did also.

    There were approximately 650K-700K Jewish people in Palestine already at war’s end, not to mention all the Soviet Union jews that were moved into the interior when Hitler attacked Russia in Operation Barbarrosa. Best examination reveals that around 1 million Jewish people died in the Soviet Union from all causes including: soldiers dying in the war, starvation, diseases, persecution by Stalin, etc. Compare this to 7 million Germans (combatants and non-combatants) who perished, plus 2 million + in the migration camps, 6 million Ukrainians who died in battle and civilian casualties, approximately 19 million from the Soviet Union, already separating the Ukrainian total in a country that only had approximately 45 million. Not to mention the large numbers of Chinese who died at the hands of the Japanese in Asia and many others. In this war, no one had a corner on suffering and the bottom line is that the updated figure of Jewish people who died in concentration camps is best stated at 500,000 from all causes, which about 80% would have been for non-extermination, but from malnutrition, diseases, etc. these were camps supplying labor for the war effort, would it make sense to kill your labor when they were brought there to build arnaments of war. Most were relocated to different camps, depending on where they were needed, why would they do this if they just want to exterminate Jews and waste all this time, effort and fuel to do this? They didn’t and these weren’t extermination camps per se, they were labor camps and the fact they were liberated at wars end a several hundred thousand survived it more clear evidence that disproves this myth that has been perpetuated so long and so often that people have stopped thinking logically and tired of the dogma. That’s what they want you to do and it’s why they try to establish laws and make it unlawful for even questioning the “official version!” So, they say they don’t want to promote fringe groups who could bring discord and ugly incidents and hate speech, well, last time I checked historians and person of interest have always studied history to understand the fact, accuracy and discover the truth.

    The fact that approximately 1/2 million Jewish people died in concentration camps isn’t enough? For some perhaps, but it is an accurate figure not clothed in agenda but in fact and should be the new updated and responsible figure. There were approximately 200,000 Jewish people who fought for Hitler, yet later came to America and elsewhere and lived freely, many collecting reparations that is completely unfounded. Why were they asked, if they were just following orders to kill for Hitler and the Nazis there own brethren? Why were they not tried as criminals at Nuremberg? Then there were approximately 1 million Jewish persons of interest and from that thousands of Jewish persons of interest who carried out heinous crimes against humanity in the prisons and elsewhere against the Germans prisoners and others. Why were they not brought to trial and punished accordingly. Why in your history class do they not discuss these things, also large number of Jewish Nazi collaborators, Ben Gurions dealing with Hitler and him leaving millions of Jewish people on their own because this Cowardly Ben had his own idea of what Jewish people were fitting and appropriate to be migrated to Palestine. Hint: he didn’t like the Eastern European variety much, yet he had the opportunity to be a righteous Jew and rescue them from forced labor camps, persecution, etc.

    It is time to reboot your brains and understand what really happened and not all the hyperbole and propaganda you’ve been hearing for almost 70 years. There were over 50 million killed during this war, of this total, a great majority of them were Anglo Christians, they died on the battle fields, also persecuted and executed, they died in camps and some just disappeared. It is time the U.S. government gives us our specific memorial and museum for these brave souls. For the approximately 1/2 million Jewish people who died in the camps and the other 1 million who died in battle, as civilians and from other causes, we honor you as well for your suffering and courage. For those who used this suffering to claim you were at places or suffered when you didn’t and just profiteered from your brethren, shame on you, you are a despicable human being and may God have mercy on your trecherous soul.

    Comment by Darren — October 27, 2011 @ 3:57 pm

  6. Gasan, Thanks for the link to that film.

    Comment by Skeptic — February 6, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  7. This is very interesting input, I had not thinking about before.
    Further Glory,
    You are absolutely right about the German Army allowing to their soldiers to document the events. I am watching now the series of German newsreels “Die Deutsche Wochenschau” and it appears that all embedded cameramen were sent there to document as much as possible. Watch this newsreel dated 07/16/41, which shows the liberation of city of Lwow. It is called Lemberg in German.
    I have some distant relatives still living there, and I have visited them a while ago. So, I am somewhat familiar with that place and it’s inhabitants.

    [video src="http://www.nazi.org.uk/SWFmediaplayer/player.swf?file=http://www.nazi.org.uk/wochenschauen/41-07-16.flv" /]

    Before 04:00 it starts showing what the Germans and locals HAVE FOUND in KGB/NKVD prisons: 4000 dead people brutally murdered. And you could see that most of women were raped before being killed. There are some children’s bodies as well. Most of the members of Lwow’s NKVD/KGB were jews.
    But, I don’t believe that the Germans would make pictures of those who are destined to gas chambers. which are not be found anywhere in the first place.

    Comment by Gasan — February 5, 2011 @ 8:04 pm

  8. And rabbi said:
    “… I was feeling anger at the very people who had put up the memorial up to take a measure of responsibility.”
    Rabbi,
    These “people” have accepted their “guilt” without a dispute. They have erected ugliest and monstrous memorial in the history of mankind in the center of their Capitol City. Everything has been done on their side to have your forgiveness. That is not enough? You “are still feeling anger” against the people, who erected that memorial, even though ALL of them were born later than the events, you are not willing to forgive or forget?
    Here is right back at you:
    Why Jewish NKVD members destroyed and dispersed my German maternal grandmother’s family in 1929? Why all of them were driven out of the houses and sent to Central Asia and Far East? Because Lazar Kaganovich, the head of all Stalin’s operation, hated Germans!
    Why the family of my paternal grandfather was ordered to leave USSR within 48 hours or being sent to the camps in 1938? He had to leave his wife and son (my father) behind, as they were not allowed to go with him. Why the jews sent my another grandfather to fight the war against Germans and kill him in the first battle. I have the confirmation, that he was shot by “friendly’s” , which means the jews again.
    This is about the “holocaust” of my family.
    Rabbi, you owe me a lot!
    First of all, I want on million dollars deposited on my account immediately. Also, I want a “Merkava” tank to go to work and a Dolphin class submarine with nuclear warheads armed Tomahawk missiles in my pond.
    And most important: I demand that a memorial will be erected in downtown Tel Aviv commemorating the death and persecutions for at least SEVENTEEN MILLIONS people of former USSR by the jews, I mean NKVD/KGB officers.

    Comment by Gasan — February 2, 2011 @ 9:10 pm

  9. How do you know that picture is of Hungarian Jews just arriving at Auschwitz? Please look into the authenticity of the Auschwitz Album sometime. I think that would be a service because, at the very least, it is mislabled.

    This rabbi is disgusting in that his son is studying to become a rabbi in Germany at the expense of the German taxpayers. If he’s an American rabbi, why doesn’t he keep his son in America to study at his own, or the Jews’, expense? Answer: because he can get it for free off the Germans.

    Unfortunately, the Germans have to be afraid of the Jews because their own laws are against them under their U.S. occupied Zionist government, and in favor of any Jew who wanders in, like this hideous example of parasitism, Rabbi, and writer of 25 books!, Shmuley Boteach.

    You should be tougher on people like him when you write about them. You’re scared just like the German people are, isn’t that right? Think of how much more frightened “we” will be in the future if we don’t stand up to them now. People like Rabbi Boteach are a curse on humanity.

    I do appreciate your pointing out the fear in the eyes of the Germans you talked to when they thought you were a Jew. It sounds just like the behavior of those living under communism behind the Iron Curtain in the ’50s, ’60s and ’70s.

    Comment by Skeptic — February 2, 2011 @ 9:22 am

    • The Auschwitz Album is a book of photos taken by the Germans in May 1944. The picture that I included is from that collection of photos. I have no reason to believe that the photo was not taken at Auschwitz when a train transport brought Hungarian Jews to the camp.

      I wondered why his son was studying in Germany. Thanks for telling us about the German tax payers paying for the education of Jewish rabbis. There are more Jews in Germany now than there were at the start of World War II.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 2, 2011 @ 1:28 pm

      • Please answer why the Germans would take pictures in May 1944 of those who they were preparing to kill in the homicidal gas chambers? Had they gone crazy by then? Taking pictures for posterity of Jewish women and children walking to the “gas chambers!” How stupid are we supposed to be?

        Of course, you are not saying that. You’re just saying they took pictures of the Jews who arrived at Birkenau. But can it be believed that IF they were sending them to homicidal gas chambers, they would take pictures of them on the way?

        They might do this if they were sending them to clean-up areas where they were going to gas their clothing, right? And have them take showers, and cut off all their hair for lice prevention, so that they could enter the camp clean and lice-free.

        How evil are the Jews, not the Germans, for turning a health measure into something else in the public mind.

        Comment by Skeptic — February 4, 2011 @ 6:30 pm

        • As for why the Germans took pictures of the Jews in May 1944, the Germans were famous for having the best cameras in the world. They took photos of EVERYTHING. German soldiers were allowed to carry cameras and they were encouraged to take photos during the war. American soldiers were not allowed to carry cameras, but they took photos with the German cameras that they had “liberated”. America had official photographers like Margaret Bourke-While, who was traveling with the troops, and what kind of camera was she carrying? A German Rolleiflex, of course.

          The Auschwitz Album includes photos of the SS men relaxing and having innocent fun near Auschwitz. These photos are used today to show how heartless the Germans were. They were singing and eating blueberries while the Jews were being gassed.

          The photos of the Jews in the Auschwitz Album do not prove, one way or another, that the Jews were gassed. However, these photos are used today to prove that Germans were gassing the Jews within an hour or two of the time that they got off the trains. The only conclusion that I can come to, based on the photos, is that the Germans had good cameras and they loved photography.

          When I was in Germany in 1957, the first thing I did was to buy a Rolleiflex. At the time, I had an expensive American camera that I wanted to trade in on a new Rolleiflex. The clerk in the store laughed in my face as he told me that no one in Germany would buy an American camera.

          Comment by furtherglory — February 5, 2011 @ 6:26 am


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