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March 25, 2012

Commemorating Jewish deaths in Poland? (the dilemma faced by Germany’s soccer team)

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 1:14 pm

The debate goes on: Should Germany’s National Football Team pay a visit to Auschwitz to commemorate the deaths of 1.1 million prisoners at Auschwitz-Birkenau, including 900,000 Jews?

International Monument at Auschwitz commemorates the deaths of 1.5 million prisoners

Today, March 25th, is the anniversary of the first transport of Jews, from the former country of  Slovakia, to the Auschwitz main camp in 1942.  That was 70 years ago.  Why stop at 70 years in commemorating Jewish deaths?

Before Hitler, there was a man named Bogdan Chmielnicki, who perpetrated the world’s first major pogrom against the Jews in 1648.  Shouldn’t the German National Football Team also go to the Ukraine to pay their respects to the Jews killed in 1648?

This quote is from The Jewish Virtual Library here:

In 1648, a Ukrainian officer Bogdan Chmielnicki, with the support of the Tatar Khan of Crimea, roused the local peasants to fight with him and the Russian Orthodox Cossacks against the Jews. The first wave of violence in 1648 destroyed Jewish communities east of the Dnieper River. Following the violence, thousands of Jews fled west, across the river, to the major cities. The Cossacks and the peasants followed them; the first large-scale massacre took place at Nemirov (a small town, which is part of present-day Ukraine). It is estimated that 100,000-200,000 Jews died in the Chmielnicki revolt that lasted from 1648-1649. This wave of destruction is considered the first modern pogrom.

In 1648, Germany had been completely destroyed as a result of the Thirty Years War which went on between 1618 and 1648.  It took 100 years for the Germans to recover.  Then came another 30-year period in which Germany was destroyed again during World War I and World II.  Germany has finally recovered from the destruction of World War II, but they have not recovered their national pride.  If the Jews have anything to say about it, the Germans will NEVER AGAIN be able to have pride in themselves.  They will forever be admonished to “take responsibility for the Holocaust” and hang their heads in shame.

Today, the German people cannot walk down the streets of 60 of their cities without stumbling (literally) over stones on the sidewalk which commemorate the deaths of individual German Jews who died in the Holocaust.

"stumbling stones" on a German sidewalk

There are over 10,000 of these stones in Germany. The stones have the names of the Jews that once lived in the house where the stone is located.

Enough already!  It is time for Germany to move on and forget about the Holocaust.

30 Comments »

  1. Well Fred Kahn you also survived this
    http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675049788_bomb-damage_wrecked-buildings_American-nurses_German-civilians
    so you sure were lucky to get out of germany before hell broke loose. Can you please explain us why and where your very aryan lookin uncle Siegfried was deported?

    Comment by wolf — March 28, 2012 @ 2:22 pm

    • Fred himself looks very Aryan in the photo of him at the age of 4 and 1/2 on this website: http://holokauston.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/survivor-profile-fred-kahn/

      Notice that 4-year-old Fred is wearing very nice clothes. Most children did not have expensive clothes at the age of 4 back then, since they would very soon out-grow them. This indicates to me that the family had plenty of money. The family was living in Frankfurt, the financial capital of Germany, and they high-tailed it out of Germany as soon as Hitler came to power. Why were they so afraid in 1933 when Hitler was not yet der Führer and did not as yet have total power in the German government? Were they in the banking business like Otto Frank? Otto Frank and his brother had to get out of Germany in 1933 because they had been indicted for bank fraud.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 28, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

      • I disagree with your remark on the clothes for once FG , in those years everyone put on his nice clothes for a picture. just watch any movie of that period with people on the streets. they were all looking good, healthy,smiling and wearing natural clothing. The opposite of today’s streetview with people walking around dressed in bags made of syntethics made in china with tags on it. they also have a facial expression that show the upcoming fear of catastrophy due to multiculturalism.

        Comment by wolf — March 29, 2012 @ 4:09 pm

  2. i tHE hOLOCAUST HAPPENED AND ANYBODY WHO WOULD DENY IT , WILL HIMSELF BE DENIED/

    Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 27, 2012 @ 9:08 am

    • Are you now going to deny the existence of people who don’t agree with you? When you came to America, did anyone tell you about the First Amendment to the American Constitution which allows people in America to have free speech? I don’t know of any recent change to the Constitution which says that everyone in America has to agree with everything that is written or said by Fred A. Kahn.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 27, 2012 @ 10:55 am

  3. I AM FLUENT IN FOUR LANGUAGES. i HAD A cAREER WITH THE us gOVERNMENT AS A pOLITICAL ECONOMIST. i TAUGHT HISTORYAT hOWARD yNIUVERSITY. iHABE LIVED IN THE us 60 YEARS. i AM ALSO A SHARPSHOOYIITRER TRAINED IN THE 82 aIRBORNE dIVISION AT fORT bRAGG, nORTH cAROLINA. i SHOOT THOSE WHO WOULD DENY THE HISTORY.

    Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 27, 2012 @ 9:06 am

    • You wrote: “i SHOOT THOSE WHO WOULD DENY THE HISTORY.”

      Thanks for giving us fair warning that you are about to go on a shooting rampage. Fortunately, most of the people who comment here hide their identity, so they won’t be shot by someone who disagrees with them. The others will now be getting bullet-proof vests.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 27, 2012 @ 10:22 am

  4. i SURVIVED the Holocaust in hiding in Belgium sEE: http://holokauston.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/survivor-profile-fred-kahn/ ============================================================================

    Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 27, 2012 @ 8:44 am

  5. If Fred A. Kahn can read English he should read any book written by Norman Finklestein, but especially the one entitled The Holocaust Industry so he can step back from his experience and begin to understand how the over memorialization of the Holocaust has become social engineering tool and a very lucrative business for those who are at the helm of it.

    Comment by who dares wings — March 26, 2012 @ 7:52 am

  6. hATE MONGERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE AGAINST REMEMBRANCE OF THE HORRORS INFLICTED ON PEOPLE.. tHEY GENERALLY DIVERT THEIR OWN PRIVATE life anger onto other people. tHEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE CHECKED JUST LIKE THE MURDERER OF MONTELBAN AND tOULOUSE OUGHT TO HAVE BEEN CHECKED..bUT THE ODDITY IS THAT HE WAS NOT EVEN ON THE INTERNET AND USED HIS MOTHER’S COMPUTER TO RESPONS TO THE SCOOTER OFFER FOR SALE TO KILL THE fIRST sOLDIER WHO WAS OF mOROCCAN ORIGIN AND MUSLIM. tHE kILLER W as FRench MuSLIM WHO KILLED MUSLIMs AS AND jEWS..

    Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 25, 2012 @ 10:00 pm

  7. well we can go on & on about this so im gonna ask this so u r saying that the german kids r forced 2 learn about the holicaust in school this is not true they do not hav 2 learn any thing about it every kid in public schools here in the us has learn about slavery when we turn on the tv u learn about it but if u live in germany there no menition at all

    Comment by adinabasham@yahoo.com — March 25, 2012 @ 6:12 pm

  8. There are many nations besides Germany that should hold their head in shame for atrocities commited in the past. The bombing of innocent families in Germany was a crime, the British commited crimes in their colonies, slavery was just as bad as the holocoust, Pol Pot and Idi Amin killed millions, yet only the Germans seem to be reminded for ever and ever what happened in the past. There is potential evil in all of us. So all nations should repent for their evil deed in the past not just the Germans!

    Comment by Albert Riester — March 25, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

  9. i dont no where u live but here in the us we r reminded every day of what happend 2 the slave and what the white men did u r so wrong when u say that it wasnt in there lifetime what earth do u live on ?

    Comment by adinabasham@yahoo.com — March 25, 2012 @ 3:16 pm

    • The Holocaust happened between 1933 and 1945. I was born in 1933 and am now 79 years old. Anyone in Germany younger than 67 is a person for whom the Holocaust was not in their lifetime. As a child, I lived next door to an elderly couple that had both been born as slaves. However, they had been freed long before I was born, so slavery was not during my lifetime.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 25, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

      • FG
        PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE OUT CONCENTRATION CAMPS
        At least since the summer of 1942 the Belzec extermination camp was known in far away remote areas of the General Government. Although not all the details were reported back to the public, the majority of Poles, Jews and Germans, had been aware of the name of this camp and associated it with a place of Jewish exterminations. Hans Bratsch, who was employed as a German policeman(Gendarm) in Jaslo and Nowy Sacz in the district of Krakau and was involved in the closure of the local ghetto, testified after the war. “The Jews were crowded into freight cars like sardines, men, women and children, I reported the departure of the train and knew at that time even the name of the place to which they travelled. This place was an extermination camp and that the Jews were gassed, I learned later, during my service in Jaslo and Nowy Sacz that the Jews in a particular location were collected and killed there somehow”.
        Furthermore, Polish railway workers and escapees from the camp did provide information about Blezec. Also German and Polish passengers who travelled by train through Belzec reported about the camp. Officials of the German civil administration in the area or employees of the German Labour Office(Arbeitsamt) in Zamosc regularly visited the camp and kept a friendly relationship with the SS crew. Former German civil servants from Zamozc and Tomscow said consistently after the war, that the knowledge about Belzec was widespread throughout the area under the Germans and the Poles.
        It is therefore not surprising that this knowledge came also to the Jews trapped in ghettos. The farther they were removed from Belzec, the less the victims could believe what happened to the deportees. In the surrounding towns like Lemberg they knew a lot about it, which is not to say that the majority refused to acknowledge this. Many still argued that it would be contrary to all logic, if the Germans would kill all the Jews. However, many then were looking for rescue possibilities: in the fall of 1942, the escapes from transportations became a mass phenomenon.
        PS.: The rest of the narrative if anyone is still interested can be read on my blog under Dachau KZ. My family was certainly aware of what was going on, but could do very little or nothing to stop it!!!

        Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — March 27, 2012 @ 12:42 am

        • quote Stolpmann quote “”At least since the summer of 1942 the Belzec extermination camp was known in far away remote areas of the General Government. Although not all the details were reported back to the public, the majority of Poles, Jews and Germans, had been aware of the name of this camp and associated it with a place of Jewish exterminations.””
          Herby If the jews already knew that they were going to be exterminated even in ‘far away remote areas’ while english and american army officials considered it just rumours at the time, why did they took the train like sheep and where was the soap and the shower comedy for if there was any? So how come far away remote areas in Poland knew while the more informed jew in any major european city just boarded and did not find out but after the war. Need some explanations here.

          Comment by wolf — March 28, 2012 @ 2:27 pm

          • I think the answer lies in the meaning of the word “extermination.” Here is the famous speech, given by Heinrich Himmler at Poznan on October 4, 1943, with the German words that were actually spoken by Himmler and their English translation:

            “I am thinking now of the evacuation (Evakuierung) of the Jews, the extermination (Ausrottung) of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that’s easy to say: “The Jewish people will be exterminated” (wird ausgerottet), says every Party comrade, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program: elimination (Ausschaltung) of the Jews, extermination (Ausrottung); that’s what we’re doing.” And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it. Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard. This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written, and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city — during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war. We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people.”

            The people in the area knew that the Jews “wird ausgerottet”. They didn’t know that the Jews would be killed. The key is that the word Ausrottung can mean “gotten rid of”, but in the context of the Holocaust, it means “killed”. The people in the area of Belzec did not know the meaning of Holocaust terms in 1942.

            Comment by furtherglory — March 28, 2012 @ 2:53 pm

            • I’ve red that speech many times, it is a very weird speech, and still puzzles me. Some people think it is a fake on codoh and I believe Irving too by the top of my head. But in the other hand the speech is too long and too weird to have been imagined by a fraudeur when you see how easy other documents were faked without much hassle (except hitlers second book), hard to imagine so much work for this one, on multisupport tape and steno and so forth.. The very sentence that you quote with the 500, 1000 bodies imo is just well you know you and I who were on the front with all our soldiers killed what does one special request mean for 1 jew.

              Comment by wolf — March 29, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  10. personsWHO TRY TO MINIMIZE LRAD TO THE TOULOUSE KILLINGS OF JEWISH LITTLE CHOLDREN JUST AS THE LITTLE JEWISH CHILDREN WERE KILLED UNDER THE nAZIS. i SAY BEWARE BECAUSE TOMORROW IT WILL BE YOUR CHILDREN AND THEN NOBODY WILL BE THERE TO DEFEND THEM.

    Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 25, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  11. i RESENT , YES RESENT PEOPLE WHO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE hOLOCAUST. wHY? bECAUSE TOMORROW cHRISTIANS MAY BE THE ONE WHO WILL BE THE VICTIMS. aLREADY IN MANY AREAS THEY ARE SUCH AS INDONESIA AND NIGERIA.

    Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 25, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  12. yHERE WILL BE MUSEUM ABOUT SLAVERY SOON IN wASHINGTON dc AS [ART OF THE aFRICAN aMERICAN mUSEUM IN 2015.

    Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 25, 2012 @ 2:02 pm

  13. its ok 2 remimd white men every day about slavery something that happened way b4 we were here but its tireing and botherson 4 the germans 2 here about what happend in ther life time. i lived in germany for 6 years as a child children want 2 know about these things we went on fieldtrips to concentrationcamps we wanted 2 no things but the germans were afinded

    Comment by adinabasham@yahoo.com — March 25, 2012 @ 1:45 pm

    • Most of the Germans alive today were not alive when the Holocaust happened, so it was not something that “happened in ther life time.” Today’s Germans have a right to be “afinded.” To my knowledge, white men are not reminded about slavery every day. There is no Museum in Washington DC about slavery, which happened in America, but there is a Museum in Washington, DC about the Holocaust, which did not happen in this country.

      The German Football Team is going to Poland to play soccer. There is no reason for them travel 300 miles to visit Auschwitz, from their hotel in the city formerly known as Danzig. The British team is staying in Krakow, which is 37 miles from Auschwitz.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 25, 2012 @ 1:56 pm

  14. Are you OK? Let the Germans speak for themselves. Ot seems to me that most Germans would disapprove of your writing. So, please uf you are unhappy about the turn of your life, may I suggest that youkeep it private and not engage in hateful writing.

    Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 25, 2012 @ 1:21 pm

    • The link on your name does not work, but I found your Yahoo group at
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Remember_The_Holocaust/

      Thanks for your comment — I am honored that my blog was chosen to promote your group.

      Fred’s WordPress blog is at
      http://holokauston.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/survivor-profile-fred-kahn/

      Comment by furtherglory — March 25, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

      • i emigratred tothe UD60 years ago,from Belgium. I returned to occupy Germanyas an American soldier two yeats ;ater in l954. The people who had reared me first in germany were deported and gassed at the extermination camp of Sobibor on June 15, 1942, as I would have been had i remained with them instweead of being whisked to Belgum on october 1, 1938, In the US Army i learned to shoot all sorts of weapon, yet i never sought revenge on the Germans. whicgh Himmler had feARED AS A REASON FOR KILLING jEWISH CHILDREN. i WAS IN THE 82ND aIRBORNE dIVISION, THE ELITE us ARMY DIVISION. sO, TODAY, IF YOU DENY THE hOLOCAUST OR TRY TO MINIMIZE IT, YOU MAY DENY YOURSELF.

        Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 25, 2012 @ 2:01 pm

      • YOU HAVE TO BE AMEMBER TO SEE THE GROUP rEMEMBER_tHE_hOLOCAUST, A WORLDWIDE GROUP ON MEMBERSHOP. cURRENTLY THERE ARE 277 MEMBERS FROM ALL FIVE CONTINENETS. mIST MEMBERS ARE NOT JEWISH.iN FACT, SEVERAL ARE MUSLIMS. tHE COMMON LINK AMONG MEMBERS IS A DESIRE TO LEARN THE HISTORY AND VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE hOLOCAUST. tHE GROUP IS ACADEMICALLY ORIENTED WITH NUMEROUS PROFESSORS AND STUDENTS OF HISTORY, fURTHER, MEMBERS ARE FROM ALL OCCIPATIONS. tHE eXCHANGES ARE VERY CONGENIAL. nO HATE MONGERING OR DENIAL IS PERMITTED, wE ARE ALL CIVILIZED AS HUMAN BEINGS. nOBODY IS PUSHING ANY AGENDA..

        Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 25, 2012 @ 2:14 pm

        • Frankly, as a Holocaust survivor, i do not think that the German national soccer team ought to visit Auschwitz. The national German soccer team will be in Poland to play soccer. I fail tounderstand why someone would want it to visit Auschwitz. Who has brought yp such nonasnse or is trying to use it for some agenda? It seems that some want to agitate for their own reasons to minimize the Holocaust. The difference between the Holocaust of Jews and othergenocides, is that iy was the policy of the then GermAN GOVERNMENT TO EXTERMINATE pEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WERE BORN OF PARENTS WHO WERE jEWISHOME RETRO MINIMIZE THE hOLOCAUST WHICH WAS UNIQUE BECAUSE OF THE [POLUCY TO EXTERMINATE A WHOLE pEOPLE . iT IS AS IF A GOVERNMENT WOULD DECIDE TO EXTERMINATE ALL [PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN OF cHRISTIAN OR mUSLIM pARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS.. dID YOU GET IT? tHE nAZIS WERE EVEN KILLING BABIES BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWISH// i AM UNAWARE THAT ANY GOVERNMENTS EVER DONE THAT TO OTHER PEOPLE.

          Comment by Fred A. Kahn — March 25, 2012 @ 9:46 pm


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