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February 16, 2014

British students stunned by tale of Holocaust survival

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 9:33 am
British students pose with Holocaust survivor Susan Pollack

British students pose with Holocaust survivor Susan Pollack

The photo above is shown in a news article which you can read in full at http://www.littlehamptongazette.co.uk/news/local/holocaust-survivor-s-extraordinary-tale-stuns-angmering-teens-1-5877942

The article is about Susan Pollack who gave a talk to Angmering teens.  The British are at the forefront in educating teenagers about the Holocaust.

In the photo above, the girl in the photo on the poster is Irma Grese, a guard at Auschwitz-Birkenau who was transferred to Bergen-Belsen in the last months of the war.  I wrote about Irma Grese in a previous blog post at http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/a-letter-to-irma-grese-from-batsheva-dagan-not-her-real-name/

Susan Pollack was a prisoner at Auschwitz-Birkeanau, who was also transferred to Bergen-Belsen in the last months of the war. The Bergen-Belsen camp was voluntarily turned over to the British on April 15, 1945.  Irma Grese met the British soldiers at the gate and volunteered her help, but I’m sure that Susan Pollack had nothing good to say about Irma.

The building shown on the poster on the left looks like the building in the photo below, which was taken at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Women lined up in front of a building at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Women lined up in front of a building at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Irma Grese’s job at Auschwitz-Birkenau was to line up the women for inspection by Dr. Josef Mengele who was the doctor for the women’s camp.

The photo below shows what might be this building, as it looks today.

My 2005 photo of old building at Auschwitz-Birkenau

My 2005 photo of old building at Auschwitz-Birkenau

This quote is from the news article, cited above:

From later April, 1944, Adolf Eichmann took charge of deportations from Hungary and within six weeks all of the Jews had been deported, mostly to Auschwitz-Birkenau.

In late May 1944, Susan and her family were sent by cattle truck to Auschwitz-Birkenau. Susan was separated from her mother who she later learned had been sent directly to the gas chambers.

Mrs Ward added: “She told the students that she had to lie about her age. She was only 14 at time and would have been sent straight to the gas chambers.”

Susan was selected to work and remained at the camp for around ten weeks before being sent to Gubbem in Germany to work as slave labour in an armaments factory.

Most of the Holocaust survivors, who out on the lecture circuit today, are Hungarian Jews who have similar stories.  The favorite Nazis that these survivors love to demonize are Dr. Josef Mengele and Irma Grese.

This quote is also from the news article:

With the Allies advancing, the prisoners were forced on a death march to Bergen-Belsen. On April 15, 1945, Susan was liberated by the British Army.

February 15, 2014

Holocaust denial and Dr. Mengele’s alleged experiments on Gypsy children

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 6:00 pm

A website called The Moderate Voice, which you can read here, has an article which claims that Dr. Josef Mengele did experiments on Gypsy children.

The photo shown below accompanies the article, which is entitled “21st century technology makes Holocaust denial easy.”  The caption on the photo reads: “Children prisoners in Nazi camps used for medical experiments.”

Children who were allegedly used in medical experiments

Children who were allegedly used in medical experiments

This quote, regarding the photo above, is from The Moderate Voice:

The problem: if history can be dismissed as fake and facts be painted as being questionable, the it’s easier for horrific history to be repeated.

And if it’s easy for something to occur again, chances are some day — perhaps in a different form — it will.

I am one of the Holocaust deniers who has dismissed the photo above as fake. I have this same photo on my website in a section about the Gypsy Museum at the Sachsenhausen Memorial Site.  I visited the Gypsy Museum several years ago and took the photos below.

Photo which I took in the Gypsy Museum at Sachsenhausen

Photo which I took in the Gypsy Museum at Sachsenhausen

Dr. Mengele was the doctor who administered to the sick in the Gypsy camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau.  He claimed that many of the Gypsy children suffered from a disease called “noma.”

I checked with Wikipedia just to make sure.  The information about Dr. Mengele’s experiments is at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#Human_experimentation

Note that Wikipedia says that Dr. Mengele “established a kindergarten for the children who were the subjects of his experiments, along with all Gypsy children under the age of six.”  This implies that Gypsy children were not part of his experiments.  Dr. Mengele was doing research on twins, not experimenting on Gypsy children.

This quote is from Wikipedia:

Witness Vera Alexander described how he sewed two Gypsy twins together back to back in an attempt to create conjoined twins.[50] The children died of gangrene after several days of suffering.[56]

Sorry for being a “doubting Thomas,” but I don’t believe the story told by Vera Alexander. I think that this is one of those things that “never happened, but are true,” as Elie Wiesel famously said.

This famous photo shows a Gypsy girl on a train to Auschwitz

This famous photo shows a Gypsy girl on a train to Auschwitz

How many times have you seen the photo above?  It shows a Gypsy girl on a train to Auschwitz, from the Westerbork camp in Holland.   The girl in this iconic photo is usually identified as a Jewish girl.  The girl in the picture is not Jewish, but rather a Gypsy girl named Settela Steinbach, who was on a transport to Auschwitz.

If you are going to write about Holocaust denial, you should check and double check the photos that you use, lest you become a Holocaust exaggerator.

Echo chambers are a dangerous thing, and the Internet allows quintessential “narrowcasting,” where people of one opinion can have their beliefs reaffirmed.

The problem: if history can be dismissed as fake and facts be painted as being questionable, the it’s easier for horrific history to be repeated.

And if it’s easy for something to occur again, chances are some day — perhaps in a different form — it will.
Read more at http://themoderatevoice.com/191720/21st-century-technology-makes-holocaust-denial-easy/#jVpOBRMSX35EY1dK.99

Did the Nazis plan to use mosquitoes as a weapon of war?

One of the regular readers of my blog wrote a comment in which he included this link:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26193808

(The BBC specializes in demonizing the German people.)

Did the Nazis really conduct experiments at Dachau, using mosquitoes?  Yes, but I will get to that later.

First, you must read this quote from the news article, cited above:

German scientists at Dachau concentration camp researched the possible use of malaria-infected mosquitoes as weapons during World War Two, a researcher has claimed.

Dr Klaus Reinhardt of Tuebingen University examined the archives of the Entomological Institute at Dachau.

He found that biologists had looked at which mosquitoes might best be able to survive outside their natural habitat.

He speculates that such insects could have been dropped over enemy territory.

Heinrich Himmler, the leader of the SS, set up the institute at Dachau in 1942.  [...]

Dr Reinhardt, writing in the journal Endeavour, has found evidence that the unit’s researchers investigated a particular type of mosquito which could live without food and water for four days.

That means it could be infected with malaria and then dropped from the air – and survive long enough to infect large numbers of people, he says.

He speculates that the scientists were investigating the possible use of malaria – transmitted via mosquitoes – as a biological weapon.

It is not known whether there is a connection between the work of the Entomological Institute at Dachau and the experiments carried out by Dr Claus Schilling at the camp.

Schilling used prisoners as experimental subjects in his research on malaria – deliberately infecting them – and was sentenced to death by hanging at the Dachau trials held after the war.

Sounds bad, doesn’t it?

Here is the real story:

It is true that Dr. Klaus Schilling did experiments on prisoners at Dachau while doing research on malaria.

Dr. Klaus Schilling on the witness stand at his trial

Dr. Klaus Schilling on the witness stand at his trial

This quote is from Dr. Johannes Neuhäusler’s book entitled  What Was It Like in the Concentration Camp at Dachau?  Dr. Neuhäusler was a prisoner at Dachau.  I purchased his book at the Dachau Memorial Site in 1997.

“A physician, Dr. Klaus Schilling (sentenced to death by the Allied court), wanted to test a remedy for malaria. Malaria, a tropical disease, did not prevail in Dachau. He could have gone to the tropics to make his tests there. But why go to such trouble? One could make everything more convenient in the concentration camp.”

Dr. Klaus Schilling

Dr. Klaus Schilling

Dr. Klaus Schilling was one of the world’s foremost experts on tropical diseases when he was ordered by Heinrich Himmler, the head of all the Nazi concentration camps, to come out of retirement to work on a cure for malaria after German soldiers began dying of the disease in North Africa. Before his retirement, Dr. Schilling had worked at the prestigious Robert Koch Institute in Berlin. He had begun specializing in tropical diseases after he himself had contracted malaria.

After the war, Dr. Schilling was arrested by the American Army and charged with participating in a “common plan” to violate the Laws and Usages of War because he had conducted experiments on Dachau prisoners, using various drugs in an effort to find a cure for malaria. Most of his subjects were young Polish priests whom Dr. Schilling infected by means of mosquitoes from the marshes of Italy and the Crimea, according to author Peter Padfield in his book entitled Himmler. The priests were chosen for the experiments because they were not required to work, as were the ordinary prisoners at Dachau.

One of the prosecution witnesses at the trial of the German Major War Criminals at Nuremberg was Dr. Franz Blaha, a Czech medical doctor who was a Communist political prisoner at Dachau. An affidavit signed by Dr. Blaha had been entered into the main Nuremberg trial. It was marked Document Number 3249-PS, Exhibit USA-663. His comments in this affidavit about Dr. Schilling are quoted below from the transcript of the Nuremberg trial for January 11, 1946

“3. During my time at Dachau I was familiar with many kinds of medical experiments carried on there on human victims. These persons were never volunteers but were forced to submit to such acts. Malaria experiments on about 1,200 people were conducted by Dr. Klaus Schilling between 1941 and 1945. Schilling was personally ordered by Himmler to conduct these experiments. The victims were either bitten by mosquitoes or given injections of malaria sporozoites taken from mosquitoes. Different kinds of treatment were applied including quinine, pyrifer, neosalvarsan, antipyrin, pyramidon, and a drug called 2516 Behring. I performed autopsies on the bodies of people who died from these malaria experiments. Thirty to 40 died from the malaria itself. Three hundred to four hundred died later from diseases which were fatal because of the physical condition resulting from the malaria attacks. In addition there were deaths resulting from poisoning due to overdoses of neosalvarsan and pyramidon. Dr. Schilling was present at my autopsies on the bodies of his patients.”

The 74-year-old Dr. Schilling was convicted at Dachau and hanged. In his final statement to the court, Dr. Schilling pleaded to have the results of his experiments returned to him so they could be published. During his trial, he tried to justify his crime by saying that his experiments were for the good of mankind.

I don’t know what happened to the results of his experiments, but they were probably confiscated by the Americans who conducted his trial at Dachau, and used for medical purposes in the USA.  Since he was tried under the ex-post facto law called “common design,” he had no defense.  He was guilty because he had conducted his experiments in a concentration camp.

February 14, 2014

How today’s German children are forced to deal with the Holocaust

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 1:51 pm

A news article on Slate.com, headlined “How do German children learn about the Holocaust?” which you can read in full here describes how children in Germany today are taught about the Holocaust.

This quote is from the Slate article:

Learning about World War II and the Holocaust at school: Overall, I think we learned about this time period at least three times. The first time the Holocaust came up in detail was in grade three or four, at the age of 9 or 10. The whole topic had a weird fascination for me because it made sense of a lot of small things in German culture, and finally we learned all about it. At the same time, I was horrified. I couldn’t imagine how people could believe these screwed-up ideas and do such horrible things in the name of these ideas. But it was a horror like I have for the witch trials and stuff like that. I didn’t make the connection between the war my grandfather fought and World War II. Later, we went to the Dachau Concentration Camp (as most schools around Munich do), and it was interesting and informative but not really disturbing. In Germany, the whole idea of “your own people” is not encouraged, and there is not a big feeling of unity (except if it’s about football/soccer). This anonymous answer tells you more about that.

Note the mention of “witch trials.”  You can read about the witch trials in Germany on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Geseke/Witches.html

My two grandfathers did not fight in World War II; they were too old. My father fought in World War I. All four of my great-grandfathers fought in the Civil War, aka The War between the North and the South — on the side of the North.  When I was in school, we studied the Civil War, but not World War I or World War II.  In my humble opinion, German children should not be forced to study the Holocaust in elementary school.

I have been to the Dachau Memorial Site several times. This is the grounds of the former Dachau concentration camp. I have seen the German children walking around the former concentration camp, looking dazed and bewildered.

I took the photo below on my first trip to Dachau in 1997.  These German students have just seen the old crematorium at Dachau.

German teenagers visit Dachau crematorium

German teenagers visit Dachau crematorium

On another trip to Dachau in May 2007, I took the photo below which shows students walking past the location where the Dachau barracks once stood.

Students on a tour of the former Dachau concentration camp

Students on a tour of the former Dachau concentration camp

The former Dachau concentration camp was not turned into a Memorial Site until 1965.

A visitor who had seen the former Dachau concentration camp in 1964 wrote this on his blog:

One evening I asked what I shouldn’t miss when in Munich. More than one fellow traveler told me to make sure I visited Dachau, which was not far to the north. The next morning I made my way to the Autobahn and hitchhiked north towards the infamous destination. Drivers who picked me up would ask where I was going. When I replied “Dachau”, the response was uniform; the conversation quieted to silence. In retrospect, the response shifted from awkward embarrassment to naked shame.

I had to walk the last 2 or 3 kilometers to the entrance, as it was far away from any settlement. There was no commerce or residence in the area. The day was very gray, and it was as if the whole countryside was sterile. As I approached, there was a very long border of high wire fence. Walking through the entrance I found no one in attendance. I moved in turn through all the buildings and the displays. I never found a soul the entire day, at least none that were living. The dead were extremely prominent. I recollect photos of bones covered by skin, of “scientific” experimentation by hypothermia, of long, unheated wooden buildings (still standing at the time) where the inmates slept and became infected with lice and typhus.

Few visitors bother to tour the town of Dachau. Those who do visit the town are still angry with the townspeople: One tourist wrote this about the town of Dachau on her blog:

I felt so many emotions today as I rode into town. I kept looking around at all the shops and beauty parlors and got angry. Why didn’t they burn this place to the ground and salt the earth?? Didn’t people know what went on here? I found out inside that when Dachau was liberated, the Americans marched the citizens of Dachau through to look at the piles of dead bodies and the living arrangements to see just what they had either been ignoring or were honestly unaware of.

The tour guides like to tell visitors about the day that German citizens from the town of Dachau were brought to the camp to see what they had “allowed to happen in their town.”  The citizens of the town were shown the gas chambers and told all about the death factory at Dachau, which they claimed they knew nothing about, even though people in the town worked in the factories at Dachau and prisoners from the camp were sent to work in the town at 12 different locations including a large meat processing plant.

American visitors are particularly impressed when they are told that the American soldiers forced the Germans to look at the dead bodies of the prisoners that had allegedly been gassed.

The following quote is from a blogger’s account of a visit to Dachau:

The only lighthearted moment of the whole day came when we found out what the U.S. forces did when they liberated Dachau. They forced the people who lived in Dachau to come to the camp, and view what was happening in the Dachau people’s back yard. There were still dead bodies piled up that had not been burned. The camp had run out of coal. That is such an American thing to do. Look, you f***ed up. This is what it looks like. You see it. See it? Don’t ever do this again. The worst thing about Dachau is that it shows how much worse the genocide was there. This is not to say that I don’t think that the situations in Serbia or Darfur are good, but they aren’t systematic. With the Nazis, it was not blind hatred and rage fueling rash slaughters of towns of people. It was a systematic destruction of a race. Propaganda and camps were involved. It was organized, and that makes it so much colder to think of.

Young German students, who are required to take a tour of a concentration camp, also arrive in groups, escorted by their teachers. They look very subdued as they listen to their teacher’s shameful account of the crimes committed by their great-grandparents.

Most students are apprehensive about visiting Dachau. They have studied the Holocaust in elementary school, and they arrive with preconceived notions. They are not disappointed; they learn that the Dachau concentration camp was even worse than they thought it was. Visiting the former camp gives them a feeling of satisfaction, knowing that they have seen the place where the world’s worst crimes were committed.

One visitor wrote the following on a blog:

Although it was a sad place it felt like something that had to be done and I am very glad I went. Like I said, it makes you really think about things like that and think how lucky you really are, it raises the hair on my arms just thinking that I set foot in a place where approximately 206,200 people were murdered without a second thought. It was definitely a good place to see.

Actually, there were 206,206 prisoners registered at Dachau during its 12 year history, and there were a few more than 6 people who were not murdered.

Most visitors to Dachau arrive in groups and are escorted by a tour guide, who instructs them in the horrors suffered by the Dachau prisoners.

The following quote is from a blog written by a visitor, whose tour guide, Steven, had researched Dachau for 15 years:

This was the prototype camp. It was here that the men who invented the idea of concentration camp and death camp turned their ideas to reality. They had a lust for cruelty. Even long after Hitler demanded an end to killing – the prisoners being needed for labor – the killing continued. And not in gas chambers. Dachau had them, but did not use them. The killing was done for sport. Guards could use any excuse they could invent to shoot someone. The most sickening thing was when a guard would take a prisoner to the camp boundary and throw their hat over the border. Should the prisoner fetch, they would be shot dead. Should they not fetch, they would be beaten either until dead, or until they would crawl battered and bloodied over the border hoping to be shot dead.

After a trip to Europe, which included a visit to Dachau, Naomi Spencer wrote this in an article for the Spring Arbor University newspaper:

On a rainy day, we go to Dachau concentration camp. While there, we run our hands across wooden bunk beds where emaciated bodies were stacked like cards. We walk through execution chambers where poison gasses streaming from showerheads ended the lives of human beings crowded like animals in cages; we see the nail marks on the walls. We see grass matted down from rivers of blood flowing out from human ovens.

The walls of the gas chamber are made of glazed brick and there were no fingernail scratches, as of May 2007 when I last visited, but they might have been added since then. The grass and flowers that formerly surrounded the building with the “human ovens” has been replaced with a field of coarse gravel but visitors see what they want to see, not what is there.

The Nazis kept meticulous records at the concentration camps, but not meticulous enough. According to a report made by the International Tracing Service of the Red Cross at Arolsen, Germany in 1977, there were 31,951 recorded deaths at the main Dachau camp during the 12 years that the camp was in existence. Today the staff at the Memorial Site tells visitors that 41,566 is a conservative estimate of the number of deaths at Dachau.

A visitor wrote, on her blog in July 2009, about what a tour guide named Alan told a student group regarding the number of deaths:

Upon arrival, our guide, Alan, gave us the background history of the camp. He told us that the numbers of people who died there were inaccurate, because Jews, Gypsies and old or weak prisoners were not counted in the death toll because they were not considered people. Also, the majority of bodies in the mass graves were not identifiable.

The “mass graves” are on a hill called Leitenberg, a few miles from the Dachau camp. Unidentified bodies found in the camp by the American liberators are buried there.

I could go and on about what visitors to Dachau are told, but you get the idea.  Today, there is a sign at the Dachau Memorial Site which tells visitors that the gas chamber was used, although only to “murder individual prisoners and small groups here using poison gas.”

Sign at Dachau Memorial Site

Sign at Dachau Memorial Site

February 11, 2014

From start to finish, The Monuments Men book centers on the story of Harry Ettlinger

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust, movies — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 1:12 pm

The movie entitled The Monuments Men is based on a book written by Robert M. Edsel, which was published in 2009. After the “Author’s Note” in the front of the book, there are several pages of photographs of “the Monuments Men,” arranged in alphabetical order.  The second photo shows “Private Harry Ettlinger, U.S. Seventh Army.” The text, accompanying the photo reads: “A German Jew, Ettlinger fled Nazi persecution in 1938 with his family.”

You can read a news article about Harry Ettlinger at http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/70-years-original-monuments-men-article-1.1597958  The photo below accompanies the article. Dimitri Leonidas, who plays Harry Ettlinger in the movie, is shown on the far left.

From left, Dimitri Leonidas, John Goodman, George Clooney, Matt Damon and Bob Balaban in “The Monuments Men”

From left to right: Dimitri Leonidas, John Goodman, George Clooney, Matt Damon and Bob Balaban in “The Monuments Men”

Chapter 1 of Robert M. Edsel’s book is entitled “Out of Germany, Karlsruhe, Germany 1715 to 1938.”  The information in this chapter is about how “a Jewish congregation was established in [the city of ] Karlsruhe” in 1715.

In Chapter 1, we learn that, in 1800 “inhabitants of Germany became legally obligated to take a surname.” A Jew named Seligmann had emigrated to Karlsruhe from Ettlingen, a nearby town where his family had lived since 1600.  Seligmann took the surname Ettlinger; Harry Ettlinger is one of his descendents.

The purpose of Chapter 1, in Edsel’s book, is to establish that the Jews were Germans, who had a right to live in Germany.  The Nazis were wrong to persecute the Jews, who belonged in Germany. The Nazis were wrong to take the possessions of the Jews, especially the art that belonged to the Jews.

On page 10 of Edsel’s book, we learn that Harry Ettlinger’s maternal grandfather, Opa Oppenheimer, had an “art collection [which] contained almost two thousand prints, private ex libris bookplates and works by minor German Impressionists working in the late 1890s and early 1900s. One of the best was a print, made by a local artist, of the self-portrait by Rembrandt that hung in the Karlsruhe museum. [...] In 1933, [after Hitler came to power] the museum had barred entry to Jews.”

According to Edsel’s book, the Ettlinger family left Germany in 1938, arriving in New York on October 9, 1938.  Exactly one month later, the event known as the “night of broken glass” [Kristallnacht] occurred.

This quote is from Edsel’s book:

The Jewish men of Karlsruhe were rounded up and put in the nearby Dachau internment camp. [...] The magnificent hundred-year-old Konenstrasse Synagogue, where only weeks before Heinz Ludwig Chaim [Harry] Ettlinger had celebrated his bar mitzvah, was burned to the ground.  Harry Ettlinger was the last boy ever to have his bar mitzvah ceremony in the old synagogue of Karlsruhe.

But this story isn’t about the Kronenstrasse Synagogue, the internment camp at Dachau, or even the Holocaust against the Jews. It is about a different act of negation and aggression Hitler perpetrated on the people and nations of Europe: his war on culture. For when Private Harry Ettlinger, U.S. Army, finally returned to Karlsruhe, it wasn’t to search for his lost relatives or the remains of his community; it was to determine the fate of another aspect of his heritage stripped away by the Nazi regime: his grandfather’s beloved art collection. In the process he would discover, buried six hundred feet underground, something he had always known but never expected to see: the Rembrandt of Karlsruhe.

Harry Ettlinger was one of the Mountain Men

Harry Ettlinger looks at the picture that his grandfather owned

This quote is from pages 533 and 534, the last two pages in Edsel’s book:

… Harry learned another story about the mines in Heilbronn and Kochendorf.

In the Kochendorf mine, one or more chambers had been designed as secret manufacturing centers for the mass production of a crucial Nazi invention: the jet engine. [...] The physical work at the mine, such as the expansion of the underground chambers, had been performed by fifteen hundred Hungarian Jewish slave laborers sent from Auschwitz to Germany. In September 1944, the British bombed Heilbronn to smithereens… [...] As the roar of the planes retreated, a chant rose mysteriously from the black belly of the mine. [...] It was Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, and the Hungarian Jews were chanting the prayer of Kol Nidre.  [...] In March 1945, less than a month before the arrival of the Americans, the slave laborers were shipped to Dachau.  Most of them froze to death during the five-day journey. The others were sent directly to the gas chamber.

The Monuments Men movie should have stuck to the story in the book by the same name, and featured Harry Ettlinger, because the book was about the Jews who were persecuted by the Nazis and stripped of their possessions, then sent to the gas chamber at Dachau.

As for the statement, in Edsel’s book, that the Hungarian Jews were sent directly to the gas chamber at Dachau, here is what really happened: According to a book published by the US Seventh Army immediately after the war, entitled Dachau Liberated, The Official Report by The U.S. Seventh Army, there was a total of 29,138 Jews brought to Dachau from other camps between June 20, 1944 and November 23, 1944.

The Official Report says that these Jews were brought to Dachau to be executed and that they were gassed in the gas chamber disguised as a shower room and also in the four smaller gas chambers, which the staff at the Dachau Memorial Site now claims were delousing chambers.

By November 1945, it was known that the 29,138 Jews brought to Dachau from other camps between June 20, 1944 and November 23, 1944 had been transferred to the eleven Kaufering sub-camps of Dachau to work in munitions factories and had not been gassed in the five gas chambers at Dachau, as stated in the Official Army Report that was written within days after the camp was liberated.

Contrary to what is stated in Edsel’s book, the Hungarian Jews who were working in the mines in Germany were not sent to the gas chamber at Dachau.

February 10, 2014

The story of the Nazi gold, as presented at the Nuremberg IMT

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — furtherglory @ 10:45 am

A reader of my blog provided this link in a comment:  http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-Holocaust-DebunkingLies&Liars/GoldTeethStoryAHoax.htm

This quote is from the website cited above:

The witness [Walther Funk, last president of the Deutsche Reichsbank] was then questioned about the film, which, according to Mr. [Thomas J.] Dodd’s statement had been made immediately after the occupation of Frankfurt. To this he answered that he knew all about it because he had been personally present during [the film's] production. A few days after the occupation [of Frankfurt] some U.S. lorries had pulled up at the door of the [bank] branch and the manager requested to hand over Reichsbank [empty] bags which were then filled with gold teeth, jewellery, etc. taken from the lorries and put in the empty safes. After these safes had been filled cameramen appeared and made a film of their contents.

Where and how did the men who were driving the lorries [British term for trucks] find the gold teeth and jewelry, which they put into the safes at the Deutsche Reichsbank, in a deliberate attempt to incriminate the German “war criminals” on trial at Nuremberg?

Allegedly, gold teeth were found at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, near Berlin.  These were not gold teeth, taken from the mouths of Jews, but rather, allegedly taken from Soviet POWs who had been held as prisoners at the Sachsenhausen camp.

I visited the Sachsenhausen Memorial site twice, once in 1999 and once in 2001, and wrote about it on my website.

This quote is from the section of my website about the Soviet trial of the SS men at Sachsenhausen:

The defendants were not charged with murdering Jews in the Sachsenhausen gas chamber, but rather with the gassing of Soviet Prisoners of War, since the Jews at Sachsenhausen had been transported to Poland, beginning in February 1942, before the gas chamber was built.

During the proceedings, the Soviet prosecutors charged that the defendants had been co-responsible for 100,000 deaths at Sachsenhausen, or half of the approximately 200,000 prisoners that the Soviets claimed had been incarcerated in the Sachsenhausen camp at some time during the years between 1936 and 1945.

This estimate of 100,000 deaths was based on the discovery of six suitcases filled with dentures at Sachsenhausen by the Soviet liberators. The filled suitcases were shown in the film “Sachsenhausen Death Camp” which was presented as evidence at the Nuremberg International Military tribunal.

Gold teeth allegedly found at Sachsenhausen concentration camp

Gold teeth allegedly found by Soviet soldiers at Sachsenhausen concentration camp

Soviet POWs were shot at Sachsenhausen, and also gassed in the small gas chamber there, according to the Soviets.

Lots of people had gold teeth during the years that World War II was fought, although it was quite expensive to have a gold tooth set in a bridge between two other teeth which were capped in gold. AFAIK, gold was not used for GOLD FILLINGS.

The Soviet Army couldn’t afford guns for all their soldiers; how could the Soviet soldiers afford gold teeth?

Gold teeth, taken from Jews in the concentration camps, were allegedly found in the Merkers mine, near the Ohrdruf sub-camp of Buchenwald.

This quote is from the book entitled The Rape of Europa:

[The Americans] left the mine in the evening and drove back to Frankfurt to report their findings. With them was Major Perera, an officer sent by Third Army to examine the gold and currency. Pereara reported an initial count of 8,198 gold bars, 711 bags of American twenty-dollar gold pieces, over 1,300 bags of gold coins, hundreds of bags of foreign currency, and $2.76 billion in Reichsmarks [...] A bank official found in the mine, Herr Veick, had confirmed that it represented most of the reserves of Germany’s national treasure.

[...]

Other rooms [in the Merkers mine], reserved for the SS, were crammed with gold and silver platters and vases, all flattened with hammer blows to make them easier to store. Entire trunks were filled with jewelry, watches, silverware, clothing, eyeglasses, and gold cigarette cases, the last vestiges of an enormous hoard the SS had not yet been able to smelt. There were 8 bags of gold rings, many of them wedding bands. A soldier opened another bag and lifted out a handful of gold fillings.  They had been pulled from the teeth of Holocaust victims.

The gold in the Merkers mine was supposed to go to the Soviet Union because it was in their future zone of occupation.  Did the Americans give the gold from the teeth of the Jews to the Soviets, who then claimed that these were the teeth of Soviet soldiers who were killed at Sachsenhausen?

The photo below shows General Eisenhower looking at some of the gold found in suitcases in the Merkers mine.

General Eisenhower looks at gold found in suitcases inside Merkers mine

General Eisenhower looks at gold found in suitcases inside the Merkers mine

Although the Merkers mine was in the territory which had been promised to the Soviet Union, as their future zone of occupation, the Americans got there first and removed the gold.  If there were any gold teeth in the Merkers mine, the Americans would have confiscated it.

I wrote about American Army Captain Alois Liethen on my website.  This quote is from my scrapbookpages.com website:

Captain Liethen was an intelligence officer who was at Ohrdruf to investigate the camp for the US military. He had apparently already investigated some of the concentration camps while still in the United States before he went overseas on June 10, 1944. In his letter to his family, he mentioned the names of the Commandant of Ohrdruf and his assistant, two men that he was already familiar with and was looking for. Captain Liethen served as an interrogator for captured Germans who were being screened for potential war crimes trials. As far as I know, the administrators of the Ohrdruf camp were never brought to justice.

The letter which Captain Liethen wrote to his family continues as follows:

One of the men with whom I spoke had been in a camp in Poland where he knew that there were over 3000000 gassed and then burned. Yes I mean 3 Millions of people. Why? Well, I questioned all of the inmates of this camp as well as a lot of others who had escaped thru our lines and here are the real reasons: Some were thrown in because they were Jews, they were the ones that had the least chance of survival; Some were thrown in because they were half Jews, their chances were no better — and this made up the greatest number of the inmates; Some were people who, from Poland, France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Russia, and all of the other over run countries refused to swear allegiance (sic) to the Nazi government. Once you were in the clutches of the Gestapothe odds were 99 out of a hundred that you wound up in a place like this. One bit of evidence that I have which I will keep to show you even tho I have been offered fabulous prices for it is a piece of gold, pure gold weighing about 5 ounces, which I found in the pockets of a prisoner who had been a guard in this camp near Metz. This will verify Life magazine insofar that this gold was derived from the teeth which were knocked out of the mouths of the corpses prior to their incineration in this fancy oven. I have other stories that I will have to check on later on as we over take these concentration camps.

The camp, where the Polish prisoner said that 3 million people were gassed, was Auschwitz. When Auschwitz was evacuated on January 18, 1945, the prisoners were marched back to Germany and put on trains to Buchenwald and other camps. Some of these prisoners were assigned to Ohrdruf. When Ohrdruf was evacuated, the prisoners were marched back to Buchenwald and then put on trains to Dachau and Theresienstadt.

It is sad to learn that Americans presented fake evidence at the Nuremberg IMT.

February 8, 2014

My review of The Monuments Men (George Clooney’s new movie)

Filed under: Germany, movies — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 9:52 am

Yesterday, I went to the first showing, on the first day that the new movie, entitled The Monuments Men, opened in my city.

The Monuments Men is not a movie for young people, who will have a hard time understanding it.  The movie is fiction, loosely based on the true story of what happened in Europe during World War II.

In my humble opinion, this movie will not be in theaters very long, so if you want to see it, you had better hurry.

The main problem is that the movie is based on a 534 page book, written  by Robert M. Edsel, and published in 2009. Edsel’s book is based on a 444 page book written by Ms. Lynn H. Nicholas, entitled The Rape of Europa, which was first published in 1995.  In this real-life story, there were 400 Monuments Men. It was impossible to compress all this information into a 2-hour movie.  The bits and pieces of the story, that are shown in the movie, are impossible to understand, unless you have read both of the books.

This morning, I was very surprised to hear George Clooney say, in a TV interview, that he had read Edsel’s book before making this movie. In the interview, Clooney said that Hitler had stolen all the art in Europe and that he was intent upon destroying it.

How much of Edsel’s book did George actually read?  On page 17, you can read about how Hitler was planning an art Museum in his home town of Linz, Austria.

The main character in the movie (played by George Clooney) is named Frank Stokes.  This character is based on the real life Professor George L. Stout, a Harvard art historian who headed the MFAA group (Monuments, Fine Arts, and Archives) that went to Europe in 1944, after the Normandy invasion, to save the art that Hitler was planning to destroy, according  to the movie plot.

The man on the far left is the real-life George Stout

The tall man on the far left is the real-life George L. Stout

The most important piece of art, that the Monuments Men were intent upon saving, was the Ghent Alterpiece.  The movie opens with a picture of the Ghent Alterpiece on the screen, as we hear what sounds like gunshots.  Are the Nazis shooting  at the Ghent Alterpiece for fun?  No, what we hear is the sound of the nails being hammered into the boxes in which the Ghent Alterpiece will be transported to a safe place by the Americans who have stolen it from the Germans.

The Ghent Altarpiece had been stored, by the Germans, in the Altaussee salt mine in Austria, which was in the territory that had been promised to the Soviet Union, as their zone of occupation, after the war.  Russian soldiers are shown in the movie as they watch the Americans gleefully cart off the art treasures found in the Altaussee salt mine.  The movie doesn’t tell you that the Americans are stealing the art treasures from the Russians.

The movie tells you that The Monuments Men saved the Ghent Altarpiece, the most important piece of art, from the Germans who were planning to destroy it.  The real story is that Hitler was planning to create a museum in Linz, Austria where the art of Europe would be displayed, including the Ghent Altarpiece.

Balcony on city hall in Linz Austria

Balcony on the city hall in Linz Austria

The tiny balcony, in front of the Rathaus in Linz, is where Hitler proclaimed the Greater German Reich (Großdeutsches Reich) after the Anschluss with Austria on May 12, 1938. Hitler was planning a great museum in Linz after the war. He was not planning to destroy the Ghent Altarpiece, as implied in the movie, The Monuments Men.

So where had the Ghent Altarpiece been stored by the Nazis?  It was stored in the Altausee salt mine in Austria.  Don’t  worry, the movie will finally get to the Altaussee salt mine near the end.  The movie is so disjointed that it is almost impossible for anyone to understand it.

Workers at the Altausee salt mine where the Ghent Alterpiece was stored

Workers at the Altaussee salt mine where the Ghent Altarpiece was stored

This quote was copied from a recent news article in the British newspaper, the Daily Mail:

A new book published this week in Austria details how the finest art treasures in the world looted by the Nazis – worth an estimated £5billion at today’s prices – were saved from destruction by a team of salt miners.

Although credit for their salvation has gone to the ‘Monuments Men’ of the Allies who took charge of the masterpieces following the collapse of the Third Reich, the real heroes were apparently a group of Austrian workers who refused to obey orders for their destruction.

George Clooney’s movie ‘The Monuments Men’ which opens on new year’s day only gives a sanitised Hollywood version of what took place in the dying days of the Second World War, one in which the Americans claim the glory for rescuing history’s glittering prizes.

The new book ‘Mission Michelangelo’ tells the real story.

Written by Viennese journalist Konrad Kramar, it reveals how the miners were aided in their efforts to save the artworks by one of the most feared men in the whole of Nazi Germany.

He was Ernst Kaltenbrunner, an Austrian by birth who would be hanged by the Allies at Nuremberg for war crimes.

As head of the SD, the security service of the SS, he was second only to Heinrich Himmler in overseeing the Nazi network of terror, repression and murder in all conquered territories.
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I wrote about Kaltenbrunner in this previous blog post: http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/new-movie-the-monuments-men-opening-feb-7-2014/

This quote is from the book, entitled The Rape of Europa:

By the summer of 1943 an Austrian official, Dr. Herbert Seiberl, had completed an investigation of the labyrinthine network of salt  mines in the Salzkammergut, a chic summer resort area high in the mountains of Salzberg. [..] The most suitable was at Alt Aussee where the main chambers lay more than a mile inside the mountain, reachable only by tiny special trains. Siberl’s belief that the conditions would be ideal was supported by his discovery of a little chapel inside the mine in which oil paintings had been hanging since 1933 without ill effect. [..]

Sieberl was thinking of this place not for the Linz holdings, but for the Austrian collections, now for the first time within range of Allied bombers coming from Italy. [...this mine] was immediately claimed for the exclusive use of the Further. [...] The arrangement met with Hitler’s approval. [...]

In quite another mood, in August 1944 Hitler had ordered  all military installations, utilities, communications, archives, monuments, food stores, and transportation facilities destroyed as the German armies retreated so that only a wasteland would await the Allies. [...] Albert Speer, who had proposed a more realistic program, was removed from office for a time, but eventually managed to compromise with the Fuhrer and change the order for destruction to “disabling” all the while working under Hitler’s orders.

In addition to the scorched-earth order, on every front soldiers and Gauleiters were commanded to fight to the last or face execution, Hitler’s theory being, as Wolff had found out in Italy, that if they held out long enough, the Western Allies would join Germany to defeat Bolshevism. In this scenario Germany would remain intact, and the purloined treasures would be used. They must, therefore, be kept from the enemy as long as possible.  Indeed, in his will, written the day before his suicide, Hitler stipulated that his collections should be given to the [German] nation.  [...]

Gauleiter [August] Eigruber of Oberdonau had taken Hitler’s scorched earth decrees deeply to heart and was persuaded that the works of art at Alt Aussee should not fall into the hands of the Boshevists or “International Jewry.”   [...]

The story of Eigruber’s fanatic desire for destruction, and the efforts to stop him, has become the legend of Alt Aussee.  [...]

In the movie, the Merkers mine, where Germany’s gold was stored, is shown.  The Merkers mine was very close to the Ohrdruf sub-camp of Buchenwald, but this is not mentioned in the movie.  The Merkers mine was also in the occupation zone of the Soviet Union, and the gold in the mine belonged to the Russians as their “spoils of war.”

The photo below, which shows General Eisenhower inside the Merkers mine, is shown very briefly in  the movie.  Don’t blink, or you will miss it.

General Eisenhower inspects the art stored in the Merkers salt mine

General Eisenhower inspects the art stored in the Merkers salt mine

One of the Monuments Men, in the movie, is Harry Ettlinger, who is portrayed by English actor Dimitri Leonidas; his character is named Sam Epstein in the movie.  You can read more about him at http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/70-years-original-monuments-men-article-1.1597958#ixzz2skyMli7G

Harry Ettlinger was one of the Mountain Men

19-year-old Harry Ettlinger, on the right, was one of the Monuments Men

In the movie, there is a scene where a burned Picasso painting is briefly shown, along with a large amount of gold teeth, taken from the Jews during the Holocaust.  The burned Picasso is a reference to the “degenerate art” that Hitler destroyed, although this is not explained in the movie.

One of the scenes in the movie, which has been highly praised in the movie reviews that I have read, shows George Stout (played by George Clooney) interrogating a German Army officer. This scene does not make any sense, and I believe that the scene is pure fiction. The German Army officer tells George Stout that he should thank him for what the Germans did in the concentration camps. He also mentions that he has rights under the Geneva Convention.

In the movie scene, George Stout asks the German Army officer: “Why did you blow up the salt mine?”  He doesn’t say which salt mine, but this scene comes shortly after the Americans have found the Altaussee mine.

There is no explanation for this scene, so we are supposed to believe that the Altaussee mine was blown up by the Nazis, and this low-level German officer was the man who ordered the mine to be blown up.

Here is what actually happened, according to the book The Rape of Europa:

“On May 5 [1945] the [Altaussee] mine entrances were blasted shut.  Inside, the scattered masterpieces rested safely in darkness.”

What actually happened is that the workers at the salt mine saved the contents of the mine.  There was four million dollars worth of Germany’s gold in the Altausee mine, which had been removed before the Americans got there.

On page 316 of the book entitled The Rape of Europa, you can read this quote:

… Hitler had ordered [Altaussee] and other repositories sealed and the works of art  preserved at all costs…

That is why the openings into the Altaussee mine were blasted shut.  It was Hitler who made sure that the artwork was saved.

February 5, 2014

How Anne Frank lost her marbles….

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 1:07 pm

Before you get upset and start “crying over spilled milk,” Anne Frank didn’t really “lose her marbles.”  No, she gave her marbles to a non-Jewish girl, who lived in the building next door, and asked this girl to keep the marbles for her until she came back.  The Franks told everyone that they were moving to Switzerland, but in reality, they were preparing to move into an annex behind her father’s business.

A news story which you can read in full here, has this to say about the story:

AMSTERDAM (AP) — Shortly before Anne Frank and her family went into hiding from the Nazis, she gave some of her toys to a non-Jewish girlfriend who lived in the building next door.

The Anne Frank House Museum says the toys have now been recovered and Anne’s tin of marbles will go on display Wednesday at the Kunsthal art gallery in Rotterdam.

The neighbor, Toosje Kupers, kept the marbles along with a tea set and a book. It was only when Kupers, 83, was moving last year that she thought to mention the marbles to the museum.

Kupers told Dutch national broadcaster NOS that she didn’t consider the marbles that special. She said shortly before the Frank family left the square they both lived on, the Merwedeplein, Anne approached her for a favor.

“‘I’m worried about my marbles, because I’m scared they might fall into the wrong hands,'” Kupers said Anne told her. “‘Could you keep them for me for a little while?'”

Anne was worried that her marbles “might fall into the wrong hands”? Did she think that the Nazis might come in the middle of the night and steal her marbles?

I can’t feel sorry for poor Anne Frank: when I was a child I didn’t have any marbles.  My family was too poor to afford marbles. Anne’s family was rich; Otto Frank (Anne’s father) had escaped from Germany because he and his brother had been cheating their customers in the bank that they owned.  Otto Frank’s brother escaped prosecution for bank fraud by going to America.  Otto tried to escape to America, but couldn’t get in.

I checked Wikipedia to see if the story of Otto Frank being involved in bank fraud was told, but found nothing.

I did find this quote on the CODOH website at http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5842:

The Otto Frank case is very troubling. I have spent quite some time doing research on him because all materials point to him for the reasons of his family’s arrest.

Otto Frank was not just an “ordinary” german jew. He was in the banking business with his brother Herbert who had the controlling interest in their father’s Michael Frank Bank in Frankfurt. They owned a bank in Germany. Now, these two jewish bankers were not spending their free time by socializing with german friends in poor pubs on saturdays. They knew very well the other jewish bankers in germany (the Warburgs) and what transactions were going on between jewish Wall Street banks (Jacob Shiff, the Warburg brothers, Harriman, Bush and the Rockerfellers) and the Nazi party. One of the Franks’ cousins was Jean-Michel Frank, the renowned and millionaire architect who was at the time redecorating a luxury hotel for his friends the Rockefellers in New York !

So why did Otto Frank leave Germany in 1933 ? We can find the answer in Carol Anne Lee’s thorough documented book The Hidden Life of Otto Frank. Because his brother Herbert (controlling interest) was arrested in April 1932 (before Hitler took power)for breaking the 1931 Regulation Governing the Trade in Securities with Foreign Countries Act. He was put on trial for fraud and the bank had to close down in 1933. Herbert refused to go to trial and Otto took his place. Otto left his family and went to start the pectine business in Holland with money sent to him by Jean Michel the architect. Otto’s main client was the german army when Hitler invaded. He hid so not to disclose that a jew (on trial for fraud)owned the business. Otto Frank had all opportunities to leave with his family and go to the USA. Money won.

The “official” story of the Frank family is a perfect example of how fabricated the rest of the story of the jews in WWII is.

There are two sides to every story. For the other side of the story of the Holocaust, check out this website: http://www.jan27.org   This is a vast website; I’m not sure if they mention Otto Frank and his bank fraud.

February 4, 2014

New Holocaust revisionist website (updated)

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 8:42 am

When I checked my e-mail a few days ago, I found an e-mail that alerted me to a new website, at http://www.jan27.org which gives comprehensive, detailed facts about Auschwitz, a camp in what is now Poland, which was “liberated” by Soviet soldiers on January 27, 1945.

For example, I learned, from the new website, that the first Holocaust revisionist book was written in 1948.  This website seems like the history of revisionism because it includes a list of writers who were writing about the Holocaust before it was known as the Holocaust.

The date Jan 27 is the date that the Auschwitz camp was allegedly liberated by the Soviet Union. (Actually, the Soviets were in the Auschwitz area several days earlier.) That date is now the International Holocaust Memorial Day, celebrated world wide.  Now we can read the other side of the Auschwitz story on this new website.

When I visited the new website, I quickly skipped over to the section about the gas chambers on the jan27.org website:  http://jan27.org/the-gas-chambers/

Scroll down on the gas chamber page and read the section entitled “Wiki-Lies and Auschwitz Truth”  by Germar Rudolf.

In the section about the gas chambers, written by Germar Rudolf, I saw one of my photos, which shows a door into the Auschwitz gas chamber, along with another photo of the Auschwitz gas chamber taken by someone else. I copied the photo, which is shown below.

2012 photo of gas chamber in the Auschwitz main camp

2012 photo of gas chamber in the Auschwitz main camp

The photo above was taken approximately from the center of the alleged Auschwitz gas chamber in the main camp.  In the background, the photo shows a short wall that is hiding the wooden door into the gas chamber, which is closed. The wooden door was used when the alleged gas chamber was converted into a bomb shelter by the SS men in the camp.  The caption on the photo claims that there is a floor drain in the photo.  I don’t think that there is a floor drain in this section of the alleged gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp.

Compare the photo above to my photo below, taken in 2005.

Gas chamber in main Auschwitz camp, looking toward the wooden door that was added later

Gas chamber in main Auschwitz camp, looking toward the wooden door that was added later

I have enlarged my 2005 photo above to show that there is no floor drain in this part of Auschwitz gas chamber. The spots on the floor might look like floor drains, but I don’t think so.  At the very top of the photo above is what looks like a vent on the ceiling.

I blogged about the toilet drains and the manhole cover in the alleged gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp at http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/15/manhole-and-floor-drain-inside-the-krema-i-gas-chamber-at-auschwitz/

A gas chamber cannot have a floor drain because the poison gas would get into the sewer system and poison everyone in the whole neighborhood.  There are two drains (for toilets) in the alleged gas chamber in the main camp, but these drains are in what was actually a washroom. The washroom was included in the so-called gas chamber when it was reconstructed by the Soviets.

This new website is like the encyclopedia of Holocaust revisionism. It has articles written by some real experts, such as Carlo Mottoglo and Germar Rudolf.

I read everything very fast because I know all this stuff already. However, for most people, this will be a revelation because it is the opposite of the official Holocaust story. I suspect that there will not be much criticism of this website because you can’t argue with the facts.

February 2, 2014

Is Martin Zaidenstadt still alive?

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 12:47 pm

I have seen nothing, about Martin Zaidenstadt, the famous Dachau panhandler, in the news for many years, although I have searched and searched.  He does not have an entry on Wikipedia, which is strange, because a few years ago, he was a very famous person in the world of the Holocaustians.

My photo of Martin Zaidenstadt, May 1997

My photo of Martin Zaidenstadt, May 1997

I previously blogged about him on this blog post:  http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/martin-zaidenstadt-the-fake-holocaust-survivor-who-pan-handled-at-dachau/

If Zaidentadt is still alive, he is 103 years old now.  Just living to such an advanced age would make him famous, so why is there no news of him?

You can read about Martin Zaidenstadt in an article, written by Jewish revisionist Mark Weber, on this revisionist web site:  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p60_Weber.html

At one time, Martin Zaidenstadt was the most famous of all the fake Holocaust survivors, so why has there been no news of him for at least 4 years?  I could not find any photographs of him, except for the photo that I took on my first visit to Dachau.  My photo shows him reaching into his pocket for a business card, which he would give to tourists, and then ask for a donation.  If the donation was not enough money to please him, he would snatch the card out of the hand of the person who had stinted on their donation, as happened to me.

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