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May 4, 2010

German culture and Nazi atrocities – how is this possible?

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 10:11 am

Today I came across the Ellopos blog written by someone of Greek heritage.  This blogger finds it hard to understand how the same ethnic group that produced Beethoven could also have committed the world’s worst atrocities during World War II.

Here is a quote from the Ellospos blog:

First thing we learn, then, is this strange conclusion – that the same people and the same culture which nurtured Beethoven, was also able to construct gas chambers for the mass extermination of “inferior races”. Thanks to Germany we know that the same person who enjoys Brahms and Schubert, can also enjoy a bath with soap made of human flesh.

How is this possible?

I have often wondered this myself.  How is it possible that the German people, who seem like the nicest people in the world, could have committed such terrible acts during World War II?

I love to read the blogs of students who travel around the world and write about their adventures.  Many of them go to see Dachau while they are in Munich and then write about what they learned there, followed by their description of meeting German people in Munich.  They always describe the German people as being very friendly and polite.  That is my impression too.

I always feel safe when I travel in Germany.  I never even have to ask for help.  All I have to do is just stand there and look confused and someone will come up to me and offer to assist me.  The German people are unfailingly polite.  The worst thing that ever happened to me is when I asked for a train ticket to Berlin and the ticket seller gave me a dirty look because I mispronounced the word Berlin.  I quickly said the word correctly and he smiled.

One thing that I’ve noticed is that people in Germany, especially the men, make a big fuss over babies when they see a mother with a baby in a carriage.  How is it possible that German men bashed the heads of babies against a tree or a train car in the concentration camps?

People blame the actions of the Germans in the Third Reich on Hitler.  How is it possible that one man could completely change the personalities of the German people?  And then, as soon as Hitler was gone, the German people changed back again to their old selves.  This is a big mystery to me and apparently to other people as well.

6 Comments

  1. No lamp shade or bar of soap was ever fabricated from human remains. Seriously, you think a Nazi would wash him/herself with a bar of soap made from a jew.

    Comment by guest22 — December 14, 2013 @ 9:45 am

  2. If I see the walls Israel is building up to save its peace, I understand so much but I also feel this is going into a familiar and far too wrong direction.
    But how dare I say that openly as a German without being bashed immediately ith reference to the atrocities of my father´s and grandfather´ generations ? Ellopos, it does not matter who is committing atrocities on whom. The damage is there irrespective which side did the first step.
    My father´s generation were stolen their childhood and as a young adult they were fighting a war with the strong belief to be right and superior. How could the Führer, (the President etc.) how could they then be wrong? And coming back from Russia to realize that all that was based on lies, torture and wrong beliefs. That what was heroic yesterday today is crime and does not justify more than feelings of shame and disgrace. To see having backed up a murderous regime, that war is not heroic but rather a big lie. And they realized that same sensitivity to totalitarianism even on the winning allies side. Seeing that nobody is immune to this perversion of morale and heroism, even not on the winner´s side. But who wanted to listen to them. The Germans, Krauts, Boches … The declared and yes convicted perpetrators. So the allies still have to do that step of insight. And should not be suprised about atrocities in Iraq, Guantanamo or Chechenia. It doe not exculpate them at all. Only shows how fast one is going to give up ones own varnish of civilization. Ad maiorem gloriam patriae.

    Comment by roland — May 9, 2010 @ 6:09 am

  3. I wrote this on Ellopos blog and he posted it, along with his short answer.
    I just wrote an answer to him, but I forgot to copy it and it doesn’t look like he will post it. We’ll see.

    Skeptic

    May 4, 2010 • 6:52 pm .You are creating a premise based on false information, or lack of information. Where do you get your “facts” about Germans and Nazism and gas chambers?

    You are writing about something you have not studied except superficially. If you really studied it, you would find the “Nazis” were not different from the rest of the German people, who remain as they have always been and were then … among the best people in the world. The SS were the best of the Germans, not the worst.

    Do you know anything about the gas chambers you say they “constructed?” There were chambers for delousing/disinfecting clothing and other articles (for saving lives), but those that were supposedly used for homocidal gassing were morgues and shower rooms that really were shower rooms. Because of a little crude remodeling, gullible people believe they were gas chambers for human beings. Have you ever looked at one carefully and studied it?

    Soap was never made from human fat — that was debunked long ago. It’s amazing that you say it as though you still believe it. It shows stunning ignorance. You are writing about something you have never studied; you’re just having fanciful thoughts to fill your blog. Yes, everyone can have a blog!

    The SS, the Nazis and the regular German army didn’t commit atrocities against others, but others committed terrible, unspeakable atrocities against them! The Waffen SS and the regular German army carried out retaliatory strikes and executions against resistance and irregular enemy forces that were operating illegally under the rules of war. The question that should be asked is why did Britain, France, and the U.S. go to war against Germany? And with such vitriol? Over Poland?? Please. It is not for the reasons you think.

    Ellopos Blog

    May 5, 2010 • 5:22 am .Your praise of the Nazis is an insult to the memory of millions of people who suffered.

    Comment by Sceptic — May 5, 2010 @ 2:23 pm

  4. 1. I don’t see the connection. Schubert Brahms and Beethoven didn’t do these atrocities. Unless you believe a ‘race’ composed these symphonies, the argument is meaningless. The SS and Gestapo and German Army are to blame for implementing Hitler’s wishes.

    In the USSR there were also atrocities, and yet they produced Prokofiev and Shostokovich, composers during the marxist era.

    If you mean, where was the humanity of such people, then that’s a different formulation. I don’t know.

    (And I dont’ believe anyone took a bath of human soap).

    Comment by paul — May 5, 2010 @ 6:11 am

  5. I went to Ellospos Blog and he not a Greek, he is a Jew. Maybe a Greek Jew? And maybe not.

    Why do you advertise his blog, full of falsehoods and misdirections? I guess everyone likes to blog, whether they have anything worthwhile to say or not.

    Comment by Sceptic — May 4, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

  6. You know the answers to your questions, Mr. further glory. You know it’s not a mystery. Why not just say outright that the “Nazis” were not different from the rest of the German people, who remain as they have always been and still are … among the best people in the world. The SS were the best of the Germans, not the worst.

    The SS, the Nazis and the regular German army didn’t commit atrocities against others, but others committed terrible, unspeakable atrocities against them!

    The Waffen SS and the regular German army carried out retaliatory strikes and executions against resistance and irregular enemy forces that were operating illegally under the rules of war, as you have so often stated. The rest is lies and disinformation put out by the victorious Allied powers as directed by the Jews. If anyone thinks they can come up with any real evidence showing otherwise, please do.

    The question that should be asked is why did Britain, France, and the U.S. go to war against Germany? And with such vitriol?

    Comment by Sceptic — May 4, 2010 @ 4:30 pm


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