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September 25, 2010

“Lying about Auschwitz?” Southern Poverty Law Center article

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 10:16 am

As a Catholic, I learned when I was a child that there are two ways to lie:  You can tell an outright “bald-faced lie,” but if you withhold the truth, that is also a lie, which is a sin.

A couple of days ago, I came across an article on the Southern Poverty Law Center web site, which you can read here.  The article is about a very brave woman who wrote about what the tour guides at Auschwitz don’t tell you.  I’ve been to Auschwitz twice, once with a guide, and once just wandering around by myself.  So I know that there are many things the guides don’t tell you. This has become more important in recent years since, during certain times of the day, visitors to Auschwitz must be with a tour group.

Here is a quote from the Southern Poverty Law Center article about what the tour guides at Auschwitz tell you, as opposed to what this woman is saying:

As this author can attest after two lengthy tours of Auschwitz and its adjoining Birkenau camp since 1988, the guides will tell you none of this.

Perhaps that’s because it’s all false. Long-time Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess, in the autobiography he wrote shortly before his execution, described how Heinrich Himmler in 1941 “himself gave me the order to prepare installations at Auschwitz where mass exterminations could take place,” and then detailed the entire horrifying process, including gassings he personally witnessed. Filip Müller, a prisoner who worked for more than a year in the crematoria but survived, described unbelievably brutal exterminations. And so did thousands of others.

The Southern Poverty Law Center article makes a good point: Maybe the guides don’t tell you certain things because what this lady is saying is false.  However, the person who wrote this article makes a big mistake in taking the word of Rudolf Hoess and Filip Müller.  Both made many mistakes about Auschwitz in their books and their testimony is not considered reliable today.

So who is the pinhead and who is the patriot here? as Bill O’Reilly would say. You decide.

14 Comments

  1. FG, you write that during certain times of the day, visitors to Auschwitz must be with a tour group. I think it’s only a matter of time that no one will be allowed to enter the “Memorial” unless they’re with a tour group. You will see only what they want to show you, nothing more.

    There is no protest that David Irving has been banned from bringing his tour there, yet there should be because it’s unheard of! It’s a semi-public place, or at least that’s the impression they have given up to now. What right do they have to make judgements as to the beliefs of the people who come there?

    I don’t think it’s reasonable to think the Theater was “just for the SS men and not the inmates.” Did they force the prisoners to put on plays to entertain the SS? The orchestra(s) played for the inmates; movies were shown to the inmates; the playing fields were used by the inmates; why wouldn’t the plays that were produced be shown to the inmates? Once you produce a play, you want to show it to as many people as possible.

    If Auschwitz was not a “death camp” then that all makes sense.

    Comment by Skeptic — September 26, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

    • I tried to arrange for a guide from the Auschwitz Museum to take me to the disinfection buildings and to the ruins of “the little white house,” but I was told that these locations are not on the tour. I found the places by myself. On my first trip to Auschwitz, my private tour guide would not take me to the swimming pool. On my second trip to Auschwitz, I found it by myself. My guide told me that I was not allowed to climb up on the roof of the gas chamber at the main camp, but I did anyway. In 2005, there was a sign which said that it was forbidden to climb on the roof. However, the Sauna was open to visitors in 2005, after being forbidden for over 50 years. The room that was used as a “ballroom” was the large room that prisoners first entered in the Sauna building. Visitors are not allowed to step on that floor now.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 27, 2010 @ 5:58 am

  2. By the way, some “illegal combatants” were treated by Germans as POW with all respect to Geneva Convention. Here is the best example “Warsaw “Uprising” of Polish “Armia Krajowa” (Home Army).
    The Warsaw Uprising of 1944 was ended through a capitulation agreement which guaranteed not only the rights of the insurgents to be treated as Prisoners of War but also was designed to guarantee the fair treatment of the civilians living in Warsaw. This agreement, between General Tadeusz Bór-Komorowski and SS Obergruppenfuehrer Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski.
    In my opinion, the surrender on such terms, was way beyond the authority of SS Col-Gen. Bach-Zelewski and would require an “ok” from at least Himmler or even Hitler himself.
    Here is the link to the article:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitulation_after_the_Warsaw_Uprising

    On October 3 General Tadeusz Bór-Komorowski signed the capitulation of the remaining Polish forces (Warszawski Korpus Armii Krajowej or Home Army Warsaw Corps) in the German headquarters in the presence of general von dem Bach. According to the capitulation treaty, the Home Army soldiers were to be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention and the civilian population was to be treated humanely.

    Comment by Gasan — September 26, 2010 @ 10:44 am

  3. Hoess’ testimony is like the Bible. I’ve noticed the Holocaust crowd still widely tout that testimony around as proof so for you to point out that it’s a “big mistake” probably doesn’t make sense without further explanation. It’s really amazing when you realize the Holocaust is mostly built on documents like these testimonies.

    I keep hearing “thousands”, but I haven’t seem to come across that many yet. Is there really “thousands”?

    Comment by Kageki — September 26, 2010 @ 7:57 am

    • You can read about the mistakes in Hoess’s confession here:

      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/RudolfHoess.html

      Hoess testified as a defense witness for Ernst Kaltenbrunner at the Nuremberg IMT. As a defense witness, this “opened the door” (a legal term) for him to be questioned on cross-examination by the prosecution and for his confession to be entered into the proceedings. Since his testimony was given under oath in a court of law, this makes it the equivalent of the Bible. If you will read what I wrote on the web page, cited above, you will see that I have pointed out the mistakes that he made in his confession, which indicates that it was written by someone else. I wrote that it was a “big mistake” for the author of the article on the SPLC web site to mention Hoess because the real Holocaust experts believe that the book written by Hoess and his confession contain many mistakes and that Hoess is not reliable as Holocaust witness. Filip Müller made even worse mistakes in his book, and is NOT quoted by Holocaust experts as a reliable witness.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 26, 2010 @ 8:37 am

  4. Off-topic, but I noticed this comment on the SPLC article:

    “Is Carolyn Yeager unaware that Germany didn’t sign on to the Geneva Conventions until 1954? To claim that the Nazis followed them is thus ridiculous.”

    Further, you’ve been mentioning this a lot so curious what the facts are.

    Comment by Kageki — September 26, 2010 @ 7:10 am

    • Germany signed the Geneva Convention of 1929 and was following it. This was brought up during the American Military Tribunal proceedings. The American prosecutors argued that Germany should have followed the Geneva Convention with regard to Soviet POWs even though the Soviet Union had not signed the convention and was not following it. The American prosecutors at the AMT charged the Germans with war crimes for not treating “illegal combatants” as POWs, although this was not a war crime, according to the Geneva Convention of 1929.

      The person who commented on the SPLC article is referring to the Geneva Convention of 1949. Germany signed the 1949 version in 1954. I noticed this comment on the article but I decided to ignore it.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 26, 2010 @ 7:28 am

  5. We can deny with a straight face anything we want, tampalam. Especially, the stories told to us by liars like Filip Mueller and his ilk. Are you one of those “muellers? Then, you are a liar too.
    There is no point of reasoning with people like tampalam. Their livelihood depends on the story. The same is true for SPLC.

    Comment by Gasan — September 25, 2010 @ 5:31 pm

    • I had the privilege to meet Filip Muller (at least spell his name right) & be assured what he witnessed did happen. He is a man of great integrity who witnessed the vilest crimes in humanity. He has had to live with this all his life. As if that is not bad enough, people like you are almost as vile as what he witnessed. I am not Jewish but Holocaust deniers are scum in my mind

      Comment by D Anderson — January 6, 2014 @ 8:38 pm

      • Filip Müller’s name is spelled with an umlaut over the letter u. If you can’t make an umlaut over the u, the alternative is to spell the name Mueller.

        I have corrected my blog post and put an umlaut over the u in his name.

        No one doubts that Filip Müller witnessed dead bodies in the morgue at the Auschwitz main camp, which he called a gas chamber. His job was to carry the dead bodies from the morgue gas chamber to the ovens in the crematorium next door. Filip is famous as the man who wrote that he ate some cheese and poppyseed cake that he found in a suitcase in the gas chamber.

        Filip was born in 1922. Is he is still alive? In what year did you meet him?

        I blogged about Filip Müller at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/eyewitness-auschwitz-three-years-in-the-gas-chambers-by-filip-muller/

        Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2014 @ 6:52 am

  6. Here is a web site which describes what the SPLC is all about:

    http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_20_3/tsc_20_3_gemma.shtml

    Tours at Auschwitz are not within their specialty, it seems. So they don’t know how to prove that Carolyn Yeager is wrong about what the tour guides don’t tell you at Auschwitz.

    Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

  7. The testimony of Hoess and Muller may have some flaws, but the exterminations are not among the flaws. Nobody can deny with a straight face that there was mass murder and genocide at Auschwitz and that this was the primary purpose of this place.

    Comment by tampalam — September 25, 2010 @ 12:32 pm

    • The SPLC article did not provide a link to Ms. Yeager’s writing; I did some searching and finally found that the article is based on a 48 page booklet, which is not a Holocaust denial book. The title of the Booklet is Auschwitz: The Underground Guided Tour.

      Here is a quote from the SPLC article:

      “Yes, Auschwitz had an art museum, a library, regular concerts and sporting events, a “theater for music and drama,” a swimming pool (sometimes used for water polo) and a brothel for lonely inmates — all round, as Yeager writes, “a flourishing cultural life.” It also had two fine post offices because “the Geneva Convention rules, strictly followed by the Germans, ensured the sending and receiving of mail by all prisoners.” Why, the kindly Nazis even provided special pre-printed cards and letter forms! And their health care system was world class — after all, for the Nazis, “the health of the labor force was a prime concern.”

      The article did not provide any proof that any of the claims in the book are incorrect. As far as I know, all of these things did exist at Auschwitz, mostly in the main camp. I have just recently learned that the theater just outside the main camp was used for performances while the camp was in operation, although maybe only for the SS men and not for the prisoners.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2010 @ 2:01 pm

    • The author of the SPLC article should have provided some evidence from better sources than Hoess and Muller, but instead he resorted to insults, such as calling Carolyn Yeager, “a woman of leaden stupidity.” There was no call for that. Just quote some evidence from a reliable source.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2010 @ 2:04 pm


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