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November 5, 2010

Shocking claim that Krema II and Krema III at Auschwitz-Birkenau were bakeries

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 5:52 pm

I found a shocking claim on a blog post of one of the readers who regularly comments on my posts.  Here is a quote from the blog of “little grey rabbit” who calls himself a skeptic:

… the sites at Birkenau known today as “Krema” II and III originally had a much different purpose and and layout than that shown in what are alleged to be the construction blueprints of these buildings.  For reasons which I will not elaborate here, it is my belief that these two buildings were in reality bakeries. Whether that is in fact the case, is irrelevant besides the demonstrable fact that they were not crematoria, or at least not crematoria as were detailed by the blueprints.  My own realization of this fact came some years ago when I noticed the complete absence of underground flues at “Krema” II, underground flues which would be required to connect the ovens to the smoke-stack.  

I had to stop and think about this.  At one time, there were 90,000 prisoners at Birkenau, which had a capacity of 120,000 prisoners.  The main foods in the diet of the prisoners were bread and soup.  That means they needed a lot of ovens to bake bread for thousands of prisoners.  So where were those bakeries located?

Women's kitchen at Auschwitz-Birkenau

The photo above, which I took in 2005, shows the women’s kitchen, which is very close to Krema II.  The photo below shows the ruins of Krema II with the women’s kitchen in the background.

Ruins of Krema II with women's kitchen in the background

Maybe little grey rabbit is right.  Krema II could have been a bakery. Check out this blog post which gives a different explanation for the underground rooms in Krema II and III.

But wait a minute! What are those things that look like railroad tracks in the foreground of the photo immediately above?  Below is a photo of the ruins of Krema II which shows the tracks very clearly.

Ruins of Krema II at Birkenau have tracks

These tracks appear to be the kind of tracks that were used to bring a trolley car up to the ovens to shove in a dead body. The photo below shows the crematorium at the main Auschwitz camp, which has two reconstructed ovens.  Note the tracks up to the oven door.

Ovens at Krema I in the Auschwitz main camp have tracks in front of the ovens

Device that was used to turn the trolley cars at Auschwitz I

The photo above, which I took at the Auschwitz main camp in 2005, shows very clearly that the tracks were used to shove the bodies into the oven.  In the left hand corner, you can see the device that was used to turn the trolley cars 90 degrees so that they would line up with the ovens.

What about the two rooms that were partly underground in both Krema II and Krema III?  These rooms are known today as the undressing room and the gas chamber.  If Krema II and Krema III were bakeries, what were the underground rooms used for?  They could have been used to store the dough and the finished bread, but why were these rooms five feet underground?

Old photo shows Krema II under construction

The old photo above shows the Krema II building in 1943 when it was under construction; the roof of the partially-underground gas chamber, covered with about two inches of snow, is on the right. The ceiling of the gas chamber room was around eight feet high; the exterior roof was about three feet above ground.

The photo below shows the ruins of the undressing room of Krema II.  Note that the room was around five feet underground.

The ruins of the Krema II undressing room

The old photo below shows what is purported to be the ovens in Krema II.  Note the track that goes through the room, but there are no tracks leading up to the ovens.  This could be evidence that the ovens were actually bakery ovens, or it could be that this is not a photo of Krema II.  It does not match what can be seen in the ruins of Krema II today.

Old photo shows ovens at Krema II

The ovens can no longer be seen in the ruins at Auschwitz-Birkenau.  Allegedly, the ovens in Krema II and Krema III were lifted out with a crane, after the roof was taken off.  This was allegedly done in November 1944 by the Germans.  The ovens were taken elsewhere, but where, no one knows.  They could be part of some bakery in Germany today, for all we know.

That leaves only the underground rooms to explain.  Does bread have to be kept underground to keep it fresh?  I would think that storing bread underground would cause it to mold, especially at Auschwitz-Birkenau, where the ground was very wet.   On the other hand, it would make sense to store the bodies of the prisoners who died at Auschwitz-Birkenau underground because the cold air would keep the bodies from decomposing too rapidly.

The two underground rooms in Krema II and Krema III are the undressing room and the gas chamber.  Why did the prisoners have to undress underground and why was the gas chamber underground?  The Zyklon-B pellets had to be heated to release the poison gas, and heating a room that was five feet undergound would have been more difficult.  So why did the German engineers make a stupid mistake like putting the gas chambers in Krema II and Krema III underground?

27 Comments

  1. Lies built only with more lies! If this was so why were the underground chambers called “Morgue” on the blueprints!!! Have you put any thought into the blueprints…

    Comment by Denying History — April 15, 2016 @ 6:52 am

  2. this article is complete nonsense. You should be ashamed to be peddling such disinformation. Krematorium II and III were Crematories. Those are ovens for burning dead bodies, not bread. The bakeries were in the Auschwitz-1 camp, if I’m not mistaken. They had to be enlarged a couple times because the number of inmates kept growing.

    If you want to know more about the lies that are told about Auschwitz there’s a great book called Auschwitz Lies http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/22-atcfs.pdf ctrl+F search for “bakery” and you’ll find all the info you need.

    Comment by stop this disinfo — April 8, 2014 @ 9:53 pm

    • Maybe it is nonsense, but we are only planting the doubt, not asuring they were not crematories. Look, right now i am in Auschwitz again; this morning I have inspected carefully the crema II roof, in the area of the gas chaamber…and didn´t see the holes or chimneis to throw the Zyklon B. No Holes. No holes…¿understand?…There are no holes. I am building engineer, I know what I am telling you. There are no holes……think of that.

      Comment by Observer — May 11, 2014 @ 12:25 pm

  3. I Have visited Auschwitz two times; last one was september 2013. But I remember it clearly: the diet of an inmate was based in 500 gr. of black bread per day. So, 100.000 prisoners x 0,5 Kg/day= THE SHOCKIING 50 TONS OF BREAD PER DAY……That is a lot of bread, and undoubtedly requires MANY ovens with TONS of coal (which could have been stored at the basements) to cook such a quantity…..Think of that.

    Comment by Observer — March 31, 2014 @ 2:40 am

    • There were more than 100,000 prisoners in the Auschwitz II (Auschwitz-Birkenau). Then there were more prisoners in the Auschwitz I camp and the Auschwitz III camp (Monowitz). The bakeries were not necessarily inside the camps. Maybe they used bakeries that were in the town of Auschwitz or in the village of Monowitz.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 31, 2014 @ 9:46 am

      • Yes, of course. But those Bakeries should have been inmense…think of more than 200.000 loafs of white bread per day (which is aprox. the equivalence in weight), and 50 truck-loads getting the bread into the camp each day….
        I am Industrial Engineer, and not know much about bakeries and its process, but It could be interesting to solve out the size of a Bakery to produce that figure, and to look for that plant in the whereabouts of Auschwitz.

        Comment by Observer — March 31, 2014 @ 10:31 am

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  5. I heard that the holocaust was partly in fact just a pajama party, and WW2 never even existed! Where is the proof???

    Comment by Jarvis — May 6, 2013 @ 9:00 pm

  6. Yeah, the krema were all bakeries. The Nazis baked the Jews fresh bread and pizza on Fridays. The whole concept of the camp was just one big pajama party…

    Comment by Jarvis — April 6, 2013 @ 1:26 pm

    • The German soldiers in the front got outraged at the slow and safe lifestyle in Auschwitz while they died like flies defending Germany from the Jewish-Zionist aggression

      Comment by holyhoax — November 8, 2013 @ 3:31 pm

  7. Anyone who believes that they were bakeries is an absolute retard! There were thousands of eyewitness, including allied soldiers who saw the bones and burned remains inside the furnaces. The trains full of people arriving daily and never being seen again. The piles of hair, clothing and glasses, suitcases which must have just appeared out of thin hair, the testimony of the Sonderkommandos who said they had helped gas and burn thousands upon thousands of people, the records of deliveries of thousands of tonnes of coke, the testimony of SS members who stated that 4-5 bodies could be burned in the muffle of each oven, the testimony of Rudolf Hoess the camp commandant who said that 3 bodies had been burned in each muffle. All of this evidence of people who were actually THERE, actually COMMITTED the acts, means nothing compared to some half- wit sat at a computer 70 years after the even was NOT THERE and has obviously done no research and decides they were ovens for baking bread for the prisons. You could have baked bread for half of Germany with that amount of ovens and coke!! Strange though that when the camp was liberated all the inmates looked like they’d barely fed for weeks!

    Comment by The Truth — January 19, 2013 @ 12:53 pm

    • You wrote: “There were thousands of eyewitness, including allied soldiers who saw the bones and burned remains inside the furnaces.”

      There were no “allied soldiers” who saw the ovens at Auschwitz-Birkenau, except for the Soviet soldiers who arrived on January 27, 1945. According to the Auschwitz-Musuem, “the ovens were removed on November 25, 1944, by order of Reichsfueher-SS Heinrich Himmler.” The ovens were lifted out with cranes and taken on trains to Germany. The buildings, where the ovens had been, were blown up on January 20, 1945.

      If you look at the photos of the prisoners who were liberated, they do NOT look “like they’d barely fed for weeks”.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 20, 2013 @ 7:18 am

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  9. These are crematorium ovens made by an well known German crematorium oven maker who tendered for the work. I seem to recall the name Topf & Son being listed as the makers.

    The Birkenau crems 1 & 2 were underground to drown out the cries of people being murdered, the Nazis had tried revving up trucks and motorbike engines in Crem A/1 but this created problems and the prisoner in adjacent barracks knew what was happening. – in the new Birkenau camp they decided undergound chambers would be more quieter and better concealed. Its not widely known that some guards refused to take part in the murders and sought transfers to other stations. They knew if they lost the war then the victors or locals would hold them responsible and lynch them. Crems 3& 4 were not undergound because handling the bodies was quicker and easier on one level, 880 prisoners worked in the 4 x Birkenau crems, every 3 months they were shot and a new group brought in, two reasons: After 3 months they were useless as workers, and killing them silenced 880 witnesses, Otto Moll and Jacob Kramer ran the camp and the crems. Both dropped on an rope by the British Hangman Albert Pierrepoint. This hangman ran an public house with a sign saying, No Hanging around the bar. He hung Irma Grice who told him to ‘get on with it’, scnell, scnell she said, old nazis die hard and unrepented.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — January 6, 2011 @ 11:01 am

    • Putting the gas chambers under ground took care of the problem of the sounds made by the victims being overheard, but it created another problem: the Zyklon-B gas pellets had to be heated in order to release the gas. Krema II and Krema III did not use the Degesh machine which would automatically heat the pellets to the proper temperature and there was no method to heat the gas in the two underground gas chambers. The gas chambers were only 5 feet below ground because Birkenau was virtually a swamp. Even then, it was colder under ground and there was a long wait before gas chambers were heated to the proper temperature by heat of the bodies. Why didn’t they make all the gas chambers above ground, as in Krema IV and V?

      I think you mean Josef Kramer and Irma Grese. As for eliminating witnesses by shooting the crematoria workers every three months, this was a good idea, but in the end, the Germans let 100 of the Sonderkommando workers march out of the camp. Some of them testified as witnesses. It was a big mistake to let the last of the crematoria workers survive. How do you explain this?

      Comment by furtherglory — January 6, 2011 @ 12:45 pm

      • That is a great question. Especially Philip Mueller who survived as a sonderkommando for three years and wrote a book about it. That raises eyebrows. But who knows…

        Comment by Jarvis — April 28, 2013 @ 7:16 pm

    • Good post! Mark Weber and David Cole(from what I have gathered) think that the cremas were bakeries. The nazis baked the Jews fresh bread and pizza on Fridays. Also, just a big pajama party . That’s horrendous… I dislike holocaust revisionists!

      Comment by Jarvis — April 28, 2013 @ 9:09 pm

      • The holohaux was a lie created by the zionist illuminati!

        Comment by Gummitarzan — March 22, 2014 @ 3:12 am

  10. Someone mentioned that baking oven thesis to me and I just dismissed it as nonsense. I didn’t know the women’s kitchen was so close. Now I’m slightly open to the possibility.

    Comment by Budham — November 11, 2010 @ 1:19 pm

  11. The location of the bakeries.
    Let’s assume for a minute that those installations were indeed crematoria. Then, where the bread for 100,000 people was coming from? Would be it possible to bake that much bread somewhere else and bring it to the camps? The town of Auschwitz (Oswiecim) has 40,000 inhabitants as of today and there were no more than 12,000 living there at the outbreak of war. If the bread was baked in town there should be huge bakeries existed even today. The town of Auschwitz was not destroyed at all. The nearest large city is Cracow, which is 45 miles away from the camps. Would it be possible for Germans to bake bread in Cracow and bring it to Auschwitz? How many truckloads would it take on the daily basis? What a waste of the resources it could be, cost of precious fuel and wear and tear of hundreds of trucks. I have never heard how the exterminationalists explain this paradox.

    Comment by Gasan — November 8, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

    • The main camp of Auschwitz was in existence a year or two before the Birkenau camp was opened. There is a huge kitchen building there. The SS men who were at Auschwitz also ate bread so the bread for the SS and the prisoners was probably baked in the same ovens in the kitchen of the main camp.

      At Dachau, the bread was baked in the town of Dachau and the prisoners went to the town to pick up the bread. The population of Dachau was only 13,000, yet they had several bakeries.

      Birkenau is about 2 miles from the main camp. I believe that the bread was baked at the main camp and in the town of Auschwitz.

      Comment by furtherglory — November 8, 2010 @ 2:31 pm

  12. The explanation of underground rooms can be very simple: they were used to store the flour in the bags and making the dough. What can be simpler than that? I don’t believe that the flour was stored somewhere else and brought to the bakery every day. Or that the dough was made in another building and brought to the bakery from the outside. I don’t see a problem with explantion of the purpose of underground rooms.

    Comment by Gasan — November 8, 2010 @ 10:47 am

  13. Another thing is: how those bricks would withstand temperatures several times higher than 375-400 F, which is required to bake bread. I might have a very limited expertise, but I have built from scratch a gas operated fireplace on my own. Those fireproof bricks cost me nearly a fortune. All of them have been individually stamped as being “fireproof”. I am not sure that those bricks would even withstand anthracite coal burning for a long periods of time. The appearance of the bricks of Auschwitz do not suggest that they could last more than a couple of hours when heated up to the temperatures of 1400-2100 F, which are required for the cremation process.

    Comment by Gasan — November 8, 2010 @ 12:42 am

  14. I believe, I have sent you the picture of the strikingly similar looking picture of the oven, which is now operational in Northfield, Minnesota. If you don’t have it, here it is:
    http://brickovenbakery.com/photo.html

    Comment by Gasan — November 8, 2010 @ 12:11 am

  15. Thank you very much for bringing up this fascinating subject. I have read about it extensively before, but it remains an open question as nothing is yet proved absolutely either way.

    One thing you didn’t mention is that the tracks going directly up to each oven are common in bakeries, to bring up carts to load the baked bread on. There were many loaves of bread in each oven. Therefore, the tracks are an indication in favor of the bakery thesis.

    You can read a pictorial presentation of the bakery hypothesis at this CODOH thread: http://www.codoh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6104&p=42556&hilit=Bakeries&sid=2b31240d233a3d109a860cc504102652#p42556

    Comment by Skeptic — November 7, 2010 @ 7:40 am

    • Thanks for the link. It will take me awhile to study all this information. The bakery theory is still shocking to me. How does one explain the underground rooms in Krema II and III? The ground at Birkenau was constantly wet, so it must have been important to have underground rooms near the ovens, otherwise they would not have built underground rooms in such a wet location. The underground rooms can be seen in the ruins. Where were the morgues at Birkenau? According to the official story, there were no morgues. When I went to Auschwitz in 2005 and took numerous photos, I was hoping to get some help from Germar Rudolf in identifying the photos and pointing out what was important. Just after I got back from my trip, he was arrested and deported.

      Two of my photos from Buchenwald, taken in 1999, are included in the information in the link. At that time, I took photos of everything, even if I didn’t know the importance of what I was photographing. The official story of Buchenwald is that the morgue was an execution room.

      Comment by furtherglory — November 7, 2010 @ 9:14 am

      • I don’t see why you assume they would be storing bread in the underground rooms. As soon as the bread was baked, it would be distributed to the population, not stored.

        I don’t recall how the underground rooms, if they existed, were explained. But I’m not convinced about the bakery thesis … after all, the camp needed crematories too. But it’s really interesting how similar these cremations ovens look to bakery ovens. Uncanny!

        There are a couple threads on the subject at RODOH, with some great pictures and posts … you should look them up.

        Comment by Skeptic — November 7, 2010 @ 6:21 pm


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