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December 25, 2010

the “death march” out of Auschwitz on Jan. 18, 1945

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 5:26 pm

I can vividly recall the moment when I first learned about the “death march” out of Auschwitz.  It was when I read an article in my local newspaper about a Holocaust survivor who explained how she had managed to survive the march out of Auschwitz when the camp was abandoned on January 18, 1945.  She said that her father had advised her to wear her ski boots when the family was transported on a train to Auschwitz.  She managed to keep her ski boots throughout the time that she was a prisoner at Auschwitz and she wore them during the march out of the camp.  This was what saved her life.  

At the time that I read this, I didn’t understand it.  Why would prisoners be marched OUT of Auschwitz —  a camp that I knew to be a “death camp”?  Even people, who know little to nothing about the Holocaust, know the name Auschwitz and that Auschwitz is where the Jews were gassed.  So why were prisoners  marched out of Auschwitz and then sent  on trains to Germany where they had a chance to survive and tell all about what had happened at Auschwitz?

I only recently learned the answer to this question:  The purpose of the march was to KILL the prisoners so that there would be no witnesses! That is how the march is explained by some of the Holocaust experts.  (I could name names, but I won’t.)

There were around 7,500 prisoners who didn’t join the march.  The most famous of the prisoners who didn’t march out were Primo Levi and Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank.  According to Otto Frank, the prisoners were given a choice of whether or not they wanted to join the march.  Otto Frank chose to stay behind and he survived.  Elie Wiesel wrote that he got up from a hospital bed and joined the march; he also survived.

But I digress.  When I first began to study the Holocaust, I read all the Holocaust survivor books in my local library.  All of these books told about the “organizing” that was done at Auschwitz.  In the context of Auschwitz, the verb “organize” meant to steal, trade, bribe or cheat in order to better your life in the camp.  The prisoners at the Birkenau (Auschwitz II) camp, who worked in the kitchen, would steal food and trade it for warm clothing that had been stolen by the prisoners who worked in the clothing warehouses in the section that was called “Canada.”  The prisoners, who didn’t work, would steal a pair of shoes from a sleeping prisoner and trade them for food or something else.

The object of “organizing” was to always trade up. The ultimate goal was to acquire something that could be used to bribe a guard to allow you to escape.  Or to trade up for  something of value that could be thrown over the fence to a Polish civilian to acquire something of even greater value.

A pair of ski boots would have been coveted by the organizers to such an extent that it would have been hard to hang on to them.  All the prisoners slept with their shoes under their heads, according to the survivors, but even then a pair of boots could be stolen from a sound sleeper.  Did this survivor manage to hang on to her boots for a year or more, or did she “organize” the boots?

One thing that I learned from the Holocaust survivor books is that when the prisoners arrived at Auschwitz, all their clothing was taken away from them when they were forced to take a shower.  (Remember the story of Irene Zisblatt who had to swallow the diamonds, that her mother had sewn into the hem of her dress, because she was forced to give up the dress when she arrived?)  After their shower, the prisoners were given the disinfected clothes and shoes that someone else had worn on the train to the camp.  On the train transports to Auschwitz, most of the prisoners had worn something that was not suitable for life in a concentration camp, so the prisoners had to resort to “organizing” to get appropriate clothing.

So why did a survivor tell the obvious lie that she had held onto the ski boots that she was wearing when she arrived, and this had saved her life?  Obviously, she felt the need to explain why she had survived the “death march,” which was intended to kill the prisoners.

43 Comments

  1. ADVICE: If you don’t treat people with respect and dignity then a small minority, maybe 1%, on both sides [e.g. the agressors/ defenders] will retaliate to defend their inherent rights or views, but ‘you cannot break the law when doing so’. The problem is in an gun-owning society mayhem can quite easily break out. So asking people not to express extremist views is wise and sensible. Over the years laws restricting free speech have been enacted throughout the world mostly because ‘the extremists’ have more often than not totally ignored society’s individual right to personal and family respect. The quiet possession rule. People like Fred, and Further Glory may attract people of low intelligence to there cause and these people in turn might commit crimes they might never have contemplated or been involved in unless swayed to do so. Hitler did this with crowd-control magic with fraudulent success, whilst just 22% of Germans voted for him, 100% of Germans lost heavily. My own mother [Scots Methodist] in England lost a boy age 6, and an modest home which was demolished by an German Blitz bomb, her losses are nothing compared to many Jewish family losses in Europe, or to the citizens of Berlin, Cologne or Dusseldorf, etc, WW1 was the cause,

    Comment by Robert Bystander — January 9, 2011 @ 1:36 am

  2. Fred and others of that ilk:

    I live in a large city with about 650. 000 people, we have one crematorium serving the whole area, its got 6 cremation ovens, chambers, six, one must ask why did Auchwitz Birkenau have 46 cremation ovens, it also had the two cottages whose rooms had been sealed – the gas was thrown though holes in the walls. You then had ‘the invoices for Zyklon B, the suicide of the owner of Topf Son, the sentence of 25 years on the engineer who dsigned and supervised the installation of these ovens. An sonderkommando F Muller wrote quite a good book on the camp and its killing capacity.

    Fred, We had in the UK an Jewish Prime Minister, this man is still considered to have been the finest ever. During his term of office no one died, was state-murdered or tried to assasinate him. And Fiorello La Guardia is still highly respected in NY. Fred your an hopeless anti-semite. There laughing at you Fred and your local Police beat officer must THINK YOUR A SCREAMER TO TALK TO.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — January 7, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

  3. Obviously, Bystander knows as much about free speech as he does about America and its constitution as he does about the so-called “holocaust”–which is nothing at all. His suggestion that I look at an alleged picture of a mass shooting is a tacit admission that he cannot find any picture of a corpse of anyone killed by the Nazis with poison gas. The main reason he cannot find any such picture, or even one that is an alleged picture of a Nazi gassing victim. is that there simply are NO such pictures anywhere. There were many corpses all over the place–but none of gassing victims.

    Bystander is simply one more dirty, arrogant, lying, bigotted Jew. A kind of “poison mushroom” for which the Nazi Final Solution was entirely appropriate.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — January 7, 2011 @ 9:37 am

  4. Fred,

    You know you dare not travel to Germany, or mention whilst there your views and if your so upset about my comments then sue me for libel or defamation. Please issue the summons in Florida or NY – the sunshine states. Irving tried it on in the Courts here andwas branded an liar, falsifier and cheat. He cut and pasted what he wanted and left out hard evidence of atrocities. On Goggle theres thousands of photos, one of the worst shows 2000 dead people laid scattered around a quarry, they had been machine-gunned to death, these people are your brothers and sisters? Sorry, Fred, I forgot you have no family, your kids hate you, your wife left, and you won’t even give a student a lift, or change an car wheel for an elderly couple or stranded person. So who should die and who should live is not a valid question for you to answer. And please don’t go to church, visit your parents grave, or sing the National Anthem with tears in your eyes, your not a fit person to be included in our discussion/s. Free speech is speech thats honest, does not contain lies or hatred and is reasonable. How did you go on in court, was this an attack by an objector [to you] or by a black / hispanic citizen who your verbaly assaulted. By the way I doubt in a fist fight you could go one round with me or little Barney Ross. How about Slapsie Maxie Rosenbloom?

    Comment by Robert Bystander — January 6, 2011 @ 11:48 pm

  5. My favorite Englishmen are Archibald Ramsay and Douglas Reed.

    Comment by Gasan — January 6, 2011 @ 7:56 pm

  6. Instead of admitting that he has no answer to my simple challenge to him to provide a photograph of any corpse of a person killed by the Nazis with poison gas, Bystander brands himself as a B-I-G-O-T . He tells us now that he will try to “make it an offence to utter, write or publish defamatory or denial statements about the Holocaust”

    Bystander is just another “dirty little Jew.” When the Nazis put scum like him in concentration camps, they certainly had the right idea.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — January 6, 2011 @ 6:24 pm

  7. TO FURTHER GLORY: I am almost certainly more of an American than you. I have been to 39 States, camped in Montana, Wyoming and Colorado, drove from Seattle to Miami, Miami to Boston, and support the NY Yankees. You Foolish fool, don’t you know the worlds altering, its becoming smaller and the belief that you must be an born and bred citizen to matter or to have a say in another nations affairs is out of date. The USA ia an world power, as far as I’m concerned it belongs to me and my forebears. English citizens who dug the ground, paid the price and ploughed those fields from the Atlantic to the Pacific, being English I’m very proud of this fact, but I’m also sane enough to know we got lots of help from the Jews, the Germans, the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh, the Poles, the Italians, the Swedes and the French plus 101 other nations. The USA is wonderful and don’t you think all those Senators and Congressman hate people who give it a bad press? with Revionists topping the hate lists worldwide? God bless my America and anyone who says otherwise had better not darken my door, and this applies to revisionist liars and cheats!!!

    Comment by Robert Bystander — January 6, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

  8. I am writing to the USA Attorney General and the press to have the Law altered to make it an offence to utter, write or publish defamatory or denial statements aqbout the Holocaust. My first letters will to the Editors of the Miami Herald and other leading Florida newspapers. Its a disgrace that innocent people are murdered then fools and mischief makers try to gain reward or profit or personal fame by denying these well documented murders occurred. If this private campaign is succesfull ‘FRED’ will discover how horrible his comments are to others, Fred shames the whole USA.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — January 6, 2011 @ 10:21 am

    • Why don’t you call instead of writing? Today is the day that the US Congress is reading the US Constitution aloud. America does not have a “law” about what one can say about the Holocaust. The 1st Amendment to the Constitution gives Americans freedom of speech and freedom of the press. To alter that, America would need to pass a new amendment, making an exception to the free speech right given by the 1st Amendment. Time is of the essence. If you want to change the American Constitution, you should call, not write. Oh, wait a minute, you are not a US Citizen. I doubt that anyone at the Miami Herald will pay any attention to you. The Attorney General of the United States has no authority to change the US Constitution.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 6, 2011 @ 10:40 am

  9. But,but, but, Bystander—where are the photos of bodies of people murdered by the Nazis in gas chambers?

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — January 4, 2011 @ 6:45 pm

  10. Casan,

    Why you’re an revisionist is interesting and thats my only interst in you. With regards to executing War Criminals this is the accepted practice throughout the world and strongly suppoprted by the most eminent Judges and authorities. The SS and Gestapo were declared illegal organisations, the Nazis an disgrace to humankind and who am I too argue with that. When you go out today try and spot a child, or a group of children playing and go out and tell the world you support the right of others, or yourself, to murder them and buy yourself on Ebay an mock SS badge, hang a Swatika outside your house and put a photo of H above the fireplace. When the Allies marched into Germnay all H supporters dissapeared overnight, why? Sad man, .

    Comment by Robert Bystander — January 4, 2011 @ 3:48 am

  11. Bystander,
    This is a quote from you:
    “What the Nazis did was an outrage, and yes, I’d wrap a rope around all their necks and drop them.”
    Tell us please: how many exactly would you like to execute in that fashion? All of them or just the leadership? If only the leadership, what would be the lowest rank, subject to your “preferential treatment” of prisoners? Does it include their families too? ” Both wives and children, or only children?
    Did “Fred”, or myself, have ever expressed such bloodthirsty attitude?
    Now, who is the real hate monger here? You are a sick person!
    Look, “The Family Guy” is on!

    Comment by Gasan — January 3, 2011 @ 7:29 pm

  12. It looks as if the two hate mongers Fred & Gasan have dissapeared. To recap how on earth can anyone say they don’t like 10 millions modern days Jews when they have met just an handful or none. Over Xmas we watched on TV Casablanca and the Wizard of OZ, I judge Jews by the amount of good talent displayed in this filmamking, I judge them by the brilliance and wit, to do otherwise is to give into irrational hate and to demean oneself. It needs to be said that just 85 years ago black USA citizens got lynched in the USA, and thats whats so horrible about racismn.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — January 3, 2011 @ 2:00 pm

  13. But,but, but, Bystander—where are the photos of bodies of people murdered by the Nazis in gas chambers?

    Go to my website and get your head straightened out. When the Nazis put Jew-monsters like Bystander into concentration camps, they certainly had the right idea!

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 31, 2010 @ 7:05 am

  14. Gasan,

    the Law says, and by common consent we all agree with the priciple you cannot kill anyone. What the Nazis did was an outrage, and yes, I’d wrap a rope around all their necks and drop them. Hate is a social poison, someting we don’t want, our children need protecting from it, and remember 4 million young Germans died, Ilived near a 1944 POW camp, my mother was vexed they got better fed than us, but thats the English way. In the USA POW worked on farms and isn’t that a great idea, they were not killed, hated or despised, and English families adopted German POWs. I know they went to the pictures because I saw them regular. I’m age 69. [Leeds uk]

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 31, 2010 @ 1:02 am

  15. Bystander,
    I don’t believe in religions and their messengers and apostles. But you are the messenger of a new religion which is called “holocaust”. But, if I don’t believe in miracle birth, resurrection ascension and other stuff, how can I believe Irene Zisblatt was swallowing diamonds and excreting them on the daily basis? Should I give her a hug, or marry her granddaughter? Or, should I believe that: it is possible to squeeze people into the gas chamber at the rate of 25 persons per square yard? (Testimony of Kurt Gerstein). And how about confession of Herman Rosenblat? He knew that he was lying, but in his mind it did happened and it makes it all ok. Such stories insult my intelligence. And here is the modern story for you.
    United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379, adopted on November 10, 1975 by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), “determine[d] that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination”. The resolution was revoked by Resolution 46/86 on December 16, 1991. In the history of the UN, this is the ONLY resolution that has ever been revoked.
    How did that happen? In 1978 a group of provocateurs led by the Jew Frank Collin led a “Nazi” parade in Skokie, Illinois. Since you are not from the States, I will explain to you: Skokie is an upscale predominately jewish suburb of Chicago. Of course, the public outcry was heard loud in clear. “Nazis” again!. The movies were made, the books and memoirs were printed and an obscure ancient-Greek word “holocaust” was brought into circulation.
    Last week, I have buried my cat under one of our trees. Do you know how much it cost me? $156! Just a cat. And the ashes were actually mixed with grinded bones, total weight was about 0.5 lb. This stuff is not going to fly away. Now a little algebra problem for you. Calculate body volume of humans vs. a cat. Calculate the mass of the remaining ashes and multiply by 870,000 victims of Treblinka. Think about how you will hide in the Treblinka are (10-15 acres) the remains of humans after cremation. Evaporate all bullets and cartridges in the area (steel and copper). Make sure that nobody notice the excavation and soil disturbances.
    Add the projected cost of fuel and.
    Any other questions?

    Comment by Gasan — December 30, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

  16. The ultimate genocidal maniacs and exterminationists are the Americans. DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER epitomized the American-Jewish insanity when he expressed shock and righteous indignation over the handful of bodies (cause of death—unknown) that were proudly displayed at Buchenwald for him, and PATTON, and American reporters on April 13, 1945.

    Had EISENHOWER and his motley crew never seen bodies of civilians murdered in Allied air attacks? What did he think happened when British and American air forces bombed countless German cities like Dresden (two months earlier), Hamburg and Würzburg (one month earlier)? And, that air war against innocent civilians was begun by the British—NOT by the Germans. It was the British who had begun the deliberate war on civilian targets (with American approval) as early as May 11, 1940 to which the Germans reluctantly responded with their first attack on London on September 7, 1940 (after five major attacks on Berlin) nearly four months later. It was all supported by an enthusiastic American press led by such journalistic, award-winning notables as EDWARD R. MURROW from CBS. CBS was led by its Jewish CEO WILLIAM F. PALEY.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 30, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

  17. But,but, but, Bystander—where are the photos of bodies of people murdered by the Nazis in gas chambers? The simple fact is that there are none–even though many were examined by forensic pathologists hoping to find evidence for the war crimes trials. The bodies in nearly all of those atrocity photos used by depraved Jews like Bystander are in fact of people who died because of depraved cowards like Bystander. How ironic! They died of disease, with few exceptions, brought on by the cowardly Allied war against Axis civilians. If you want to see a real mass murderer, Bystander– just look at yourself in the mirror.

    No one at least around here, denies that Auschwitz was a concentration camp. So what? If the purpose had been to exterminate people, there would have been no need for any concentration camp to begin with. The true purpose was to keep people in custody–but alive.

    Go to my website and get your head straightened out.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 30, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

  18. Fred,

    the milkman needs to be paid today. Please pay the milkman and lets hope he does’nt spread nasty rumours about you and your crazy coot lifestyle. Your John Balls Evidence site is a load of crap, both the RAF and the USA Airfoce photographed Ausc-Birk. It was an concentration camp and that was obvious to all. A good books been published about a young girl, an lovely looking kid called Hannah. Are you telling me your in cahoots with her killers. What about the Boston Strangler, Ted Bundy and Son of Sam, They’ll keep you going for awhile.

    And Fred the camp photos of bodies lying dead and unburied carry more weight and contain more and better detail than a shot taken from 20000 feet or didn’t you know that?. On Google images you will find one or two photos of Generals Eisenhower and Bradley walking around a camp. Let me know what you think of these, have a cup of tea and stop imagining your in the SS and your flamethrowers out of gas and your sick-to-death-of ever coming to Kursk or Stalingrad and having to wear a womans fur coat to keep warm

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 30, 2010 @ 1:38 pm

  19. This page http://www.air-photo.com/english/denial.html from John Ball’s Air-Photo Evidence site, provides extensive information in support of Berg’s claims in his post.
    Some of the highlights include:

    1. U.S. and German top-level government officials talked with each other through Swiss and Irish consuls in 1944 and ’45 about the condition of inmates in German-operated camps,

    2. In 1944 German officials denied any intention to mass-murder inmates,

    3. Germany guaranteed to evacuate inmates ahead of Soviet advance,

    4. Former camp inmates confirmed inmates were being safely evacuated.

    In addition there are scans of two letters between the Allies and Germany regarding the disposition of the inmates at Auschwitz/Birkenau.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 30, 2010 @ 6:30 am

  20. GASAN,

    You surprise me, surely you don’t think there’s a God, or you can get messages from a God. All relgious leaders are ordinary men and women avoiding real work and responsibilty, and they love the honour or pomposity of their office, but “Do they really believe the nonsense they preach?” Of course they don’t and they look upon thier church-flocks as gullible fools. If you want to invite a rogue into your home call a priest out to give the Last Rites to a dying person and note his final remarks about a little gift for the church?

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 30, 2010 @ 2:56 am

  21. Gasan,

    Jewish history also contains a great deal of myths, fables and untruths. First of all they are not Jews but Armenians from the area known today as Bulgaria. The early Jewish church was a missionary church with converts. And it was in the area k/as Turkey to Bulgaria they had some church building success. Over a period of 500 years Jewish pedlars and families moved elsewhere but they were never an important factor. It was the Rothschilds of Frankfurt who started to change the worlds concept of them. In Germany they prospered in fringe businesses that were ideal for one man or an family to run. Just another guy trying to get by is an fair comment about all Jews, You need to remember that the NAACP was finced by a Jew, and Jews give there money away freely to good causes, the Metro Art Museums in NY. LA and Chicago are good examples of their generosity.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 30, 2010 @ 2:34 am

  22. Fred, the number one rule in the camps that had to be obeyed was ‘never to stand out from the crowd, never to say no or look angry and never to disobey an order given by a man with a gun, whip or club. If you were told to parade – then parade you did even if you were desperately ill. And thats why they joined the marches, maybe an underlying reason was a foreboding that no matter were they were taken it couln’t be any worse than Birkenau. If I was a prisoner I’d reason anyone unable to march or left would be shot and the march option was the safest bet. But who am I to preach to you, you know all this much better than me. Have you tidied the house up and please try to stop grinding your teeth over something that does not concern you, and to papaphrase Charlie Chaplin, “I do not have the HONOUR of being a Jew”. Pity, maybe my life would have been so different. My father served in the DLI, a Durham regiment, the later manned an airfield searchlight battery during the war-end and stood up and saluted if the National Anthem was played when the TV service closed down for the night. If your a German, then please remember with respect the four million young Germans who died following the Corporals mad dreams and insane act/s. The real sad characters were men like Doenitz, Rommel, Manstein, Guderian, etc, all of whom are well respected in England. May I suggest that you need to get out more, eat a bagle or two and try to meet a nice Jewish girl. New York got thousnads of nice Jewish women, and you need her love to show you how wrong you are about them. Why not join a Jewish dating site and invite us all to your wedding? Mazeltov to you Fred.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 30, 2010 @ 2:07 am

  23. Almost forgot!
    Please, don’t forget to mention that “god” did not really promise them the land “from Rivers of Egypt to the Great River of Euphrates”. That was someone’s cruel joke and they need to stop pushing this agenda once and for all

    Comment by Gasan — December 29, 2010 @ 4:41 pm

  24. Wow!
    What a great job have done your teachers in Leeds, UK! You appear to be quite fair bloke with remarkable knowledge of history. Let us accept for a minute your theory of 500-700 years old pamphlet everyone calls the BIBLE. Jesus, Mary, Samson, et al had never existed according to you. Even Moses had never existed; totally agree with you on that one. Then you need first and foremost explain it to the people who are so nice. And maybe then, they will stop calling themselves “chosen ones”, they will stop celebrating “purim”, or exterminating of 75,000 Persians hosts.Tell them that no other nation in the entire world has such celebration of killing people. Even Catholic Church never declared the “Night of St. Bartholomew” a holiday.
    Tell them that their holy book is, in reality, a “pamphlet” created by Catholic Church about 700 years ago and it does not serve them any good. Explain to them, that as soon as they joined the family of Nations of this planet and stop calling themselves “chosen”, there will be no more anti-semitism or “holocausts”. Tell them that the Palestinians are their brothers, or, at least, first cousins and they also need to be treated humanely. They also need land to grow food, water, and other basic things.
    If you will be able to convince your nice friends about all of it, “Fred” would proudly call you a friend.

    Comment by Gasan — December 29, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

  25. We also learn from Israeli holocaust historian professor Israel Gutman that Jewish prisoners actually joined the march voluntarily. Here is testimony taken from Gutman’s book as given by Gilad Atzmon: ‘One of my friends and relatives in the camp came to me on the night of the evacuation and offered a common hiding place somewhere on the way from the camp to the factory. …The intention was to leave the camp with one of the convoys and to escape near the gate, using the darkness we thought to go a little far from the camp. The temptation was very strong. And yet, after I considered it all I then decided to join (the march) with all the other inmates and to share their fate’ from Israel Gutman [editor], People and Ashes: Book Auschwitz – Birkenau, (Merhavia 1957) page 168. In commenting about this passage from Gutman, Gilad Atzmon has said: “I am left puzzled here, if the Nazis ran a death factory in Auschwitz-Birkenau, why would the Jewish prisoners join them at the end of the war? Why didn’t the Jews wait for their Red liberators?”

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 29, 2010 @ 3:33 pm

  26. Well, Robert Bystander (dirty Jew, of course),if “most of the prisoners were scared that [the] Germans were up to no good” that would have been good reason to just sit on their asses in the Auschwitz barracks (which were NOT burned down at all) and wait for the oncoming Russians.

    Everyone in that part of Europe was worried about their future but obviously, the Jews who went with the Germans thought their chances were better with the Germans. Bystander gives no credible answer to my question to him. He has none!

    The Nazis and SS really were the “Good Guys” in WW2. The anti-Nazis (especially the Jews) were and still are the greatest war criminals, mass murderers and liars in all of human history.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 29, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

  27. Further Glory,

    Come on you know better than that. Most of the prisoners were scared that ermans were upto no good. Maybe they’d kill them in an quarry and many were laid ill on bunks and at deaths door, so the sesible one’s hid. Auschwitz- Birkenau is vast, it stretches over 25 sq kilometres and the camp staff were anxious to get off. Very anxious. Rememer the Russians were in Krackow just 40 miles away and they had murdered maybe 250 000 Russian POW. Many guards had gone, the camp was in chaos, and documents buildings and ‘Canada’ were burning, they’d blown up the gas chambers, and the explosions told them it was all over, they faced defeat and had been defeated. Trains had stopped running and the Russians had just about sealed the area. I myself would have fled. but maybe they reckoned having Jewish hostages to bargain with might save thier skins.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 29, 2010 @ 2:25 pm

    • Look at the photos of the survivors of Auschwitz-Birkenau. Most of them were not sick. Many of the survivors had chubby cheeks. There was no typhus epidemic at the time of the liberation, although there had been typhus epidemics in 1942 and 1943.

      There were Soviet POWs who died at Birkenau, but no where near 250,000. The death march started on January 18th and the wooden warehouses called “Canada” were still burning on January 27th when the Soviets officially arrived to liberate the camp. I read one survivor book in which the former prisoner mentioned that he took some of the Soviet soldiers to see “Canada” before it burned.

      I didn’t know they had “documents buildings.” The documents would have been kept in the main camp which had brick buildings, or in the brick administration building at Birkenau which did not burn and is now a Church.

      Comment by furtherglory — December 29, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

  28. Fred [it’s not not Friedrich is it] it’s obvious you have never met a Jew or spent anytime in there ompany, second guessing you once worked for an firm whose principals may have been Jewish, they thought you odd and your conversation made them wonder about you. You were a poor time keeper, liked fiddling your expenses and your actual work effort was very poor, so they give you the push. On your way out you took an handful of stationary and an calculators and 2 pens with you to get your own back. It took them 10 days to send you your final pay cheque and you were unhappy with the amount. That was, what, some 20 jobs ago, and long before then your dear old, dispairing mother disowned you. Can’t you see what you have done your once brand new brain. Just look at your bank statements and all those unread letters on your doormat, and all will be revealed. And you hate peasants who wanted to leave the Stetl for a better life, but you don’t hate Fins, Swedes, Nords, Germans or Brits who take the same route because thats there right and no one elses. Tell me are you a typical racist meaning unloved and unwashed.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 29, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

  29. If Jews are NOT the morally depraved, blood-drenched, lying monsters that I know them to be, then Bystanders should answer the question I put to him earlier.

    “why were thousands of Jews and others left in Auschwitz by the retreating Nazis and SS for the Russians to “liberate” and use for their propaganda?

    Give it a try, Bystanders.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn neverything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 29, 2010 @ 8:55 am

    • The Jews and others were not exactly “left in Auschwitz;” they were invited to come along on the march, but they declined. There was two feet of snow on the ground and it was 35 miles to Gleiwitz. The women and children were marched out first, to give them a head start, so that they could walk slower. The ones that stayed behind had plenty of warm bedding, as shown in the photos taken after liberation. There were stoves in the barracks which the prisoners could sit on to keep warm. You can’t blame the old people and the mothers with babies for wanting to stay put. But some of the men, who could have marched out, also decided to stay behind. They probably regretted this decision when they found out that they would have to walk back to their former homes. They had trusted the Russians to take care of them, but the Russians couldn’t have cared less about the survivors.

      Comment by furtherglory — December 29, 2010 @ 10:17 am

  30. Himmlers death:

    I read an account written by a British officer which was interesting: He says that the night before Himmlers death the British troops started celebrating the end of the war and many got drunk. Rumours had spread about Himmlers capture and quite a few unauthorised visitors arrived to look at Himmler, they wanted to see him, he was brought out and the troops many of whom were tipsy jeered at him and told him in so many words he was for the rope. This news rather alarmed Himmler and he was taken away looking none too happy. The next day he was being questioned and it was thought he might have an cyanide capsule on him, so a doctor was brought to examine him, he was not eating a sandwich or food when questioned, the docitr asked him to open his mouth, he did so but the doctor could not see into it properly, so asked him to stand nearer the window, during this second exemination he bit on the hidden capsule and died. For an much better story you must read up on Hitler and Himmlers robbery in Munich of two firms of German banknote printers, or there decision to murder the Brownnshirt leaders, [Q] have you ever wondered why Hitler was never promoted from corporal in WW1, it was because he used to stand and watch men having sex in GERMAN ARMY tents erected near the WW1 trenches. This was dissaproved of by his immediate officers, they thought him an sexual deviant. His war record was destroyed by the SS to save his reputation. If you doubt any of this do a Google search.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 29, 2010 @ 7:51 am

  31. Reply to Friedrich Paul Berg.

    Friedrich: Come to Leeds, England and I’ll lie you down and try and counsel you. First of all Jews, lets call them men, women and children shall we, are really nice people, being both honest, quiet, law abiding and hard-working with many acting as Judges and esteemed Lawyers, in the main [they do have a few who drop by the wayside] they are very poor with a capital P, but then again so are most people.

    Out of all the different types of citizens of the Jewish faith I value the writers, songsmiths and film makers highly, no doubt you being a fair sort of chap you’ll add doctors, drug scientists, school teachers and if your ever caught outside in the rain you’ll praise the Jewish umberella makers or taxi drivers.

    It was unfortunate for them that in the 13-15th century the founders of the Catholic Church [who at that time were rather a blood-thirsty lot] wrote an anti-semitic pamplet which today is called the BIBLE, not content with this early attempt at preaching voodoo and witchcraft, they added a 1001 lies and falsehoods. for instance in the 13th century they added the fictitious Josepth & Mary family, and a mythical son Jesus, and to gild the hate-lily added an whole host of characters none of whom ever existed. No Moses, No Samson, No Herod, No Abraham, no Isaac, No Noah, no Sermons on the Mount and definitely no Jesus. And if you argued otherwise they soon lit a fire under your legs to help you change your opinions. Hitler did the same thing to the two Scholls ,brother and sister students, but used an guillotine. In the camps they used flames – so you could could say not that much had changed in 500 years.

    And please don’t preach to me about the Nazis humane feelings, humane!!!, spit. spit, was Lidice humane, was Babi Yar humane, was the Einsatzgrupppen humane, was the killing of 6 million harmless human beings humane. And Freidrich don’t try and kid us, I know you know all what’s known about Treblinka, Belzec, Natzwieler, Mauthausen, Barracks 11, and the Ghettos, and your familiar with monsters like Kramer, Grice, Mengele, Bauman, Hoess, Himmler, Stangl, and others. And they were not Death Marches, they acquired this name afterwards due to the high numbers of stragglers who were shot, being stragglers who could bear witness in a Court of Law to what had happened in the camps. Himmler said the killing had to stop – so these guards took part unwillingly in these marches back to Germany. It would hav e been mmore humane to run away like they did in another 101 camps.

    Comment by Robert Bystander — December 29, 2010 @ 5:57 am

  32. […] the “death march” out of Auschwitz on Jan. 18, 1945 […]

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  33. The “Death March” from Auschwitz

    Robert Bystanders wrote the following nonsense above: “The death marches were to stop the prisoners appearing in newsreels and recounting their horrific experiences.”

    If there were any truth to that statement, why were thousands of Jews and others left in Auschwitz by the retreating Nazis and SS for the Russians to “liberate” and use for their propaganda? The number of such prisoners, including twins, left for the Russians that I have seen recently is “7,000.”

    The fact is that Bystander’s theory is rubbish. The so-called “death march” was NOT at all to kill the tens of thousands of Jews and others who “chose” to go west. It could only have been a rather humane attempt to help these people avoid the inevitable horrors of the Soviets. No doubt, many deaths occurred along the “march” to the west from the misery of the ordeal–but, the worst killers were the Allied bombers and fighter planes, piloted by depraved cowards, who found it so much safer to murder refugees, even Jews, on the ground in trains or on foot rather than attack armed German soldiers who might shoot back and kill them instead.

    But, by their HUMANE measures to bring Jews to the west safely,(for the benefit of Jews who I suspect were at least in some cases still under quarantine against typhus) the Germans and SS inadvertently helped bring about the typhus epidemics in the west in places like Bergen-Belsen during the last chaotic months of the war. It was those horrors and medical catastrophes that are the real (but false) basis for most people for the holocaust claims, including the gassing claims. So, by their humanity toward the Jews, the Nazis and SS inadvertently brought about their own vilification. The real mass murderers were the western Allies. The Nazis and the SS were heroes! If they had merely wanted to hide evidence of some alleged “fiendishness,” they could have done that so easily and simply lied about it afterward as the Allies had done throughout the war and continue to do to this very day.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 28, 2010 @ 9:58 am

  34. Dear Robert Bystander.
    Please, tell your history class teacher at your middle school that she did a great job.
    Thank you.

    Comment by Gasan — December 27, 2010 @ 8:27 pm

  35. The revolt at Sorbibor and the liberation by the Russians of the Madjanek [Lublin] death camp influenced Himmlers thinking. The Germans knew in December 1941 the war was lost, for the next 3 years they hung on hoping for a miracle, they survived by bribery, pillage, robbery and cultivating colloborators. In late 1944 Himmler saw himself as the future leader of Germany, but in private talks he learnt he was seen as an major war criminal. He found it hard to believe the Allies loathed him. To be seen in a better light he ordered no more killings and had the gas chambers destroyed, also 4 major camps, he sort of convinced himself the Jewish Holocaust camp deaths would be ignored by the west, in some respects he was right, and it wouldn’t hurt his reputation to be able to claim the freed Jews were brought west to rebuild Germany [for the Allies] starting with clearing away bomb damaged buildings. The cyanide capsules he kept with him offered him some respite. The death marches were to stop the prisoners appearing in newsreels and recounting their horrific experiences. Its a pity the four leading Nazis, Hitler, Goering, Goebells and Himmler all took poison cyanide pellets to avoid trial. Hitler shot himself whilst biting on an capsule.

    Comment by Robert Bystanders — December 27, 2010 @ 1:53 pm

    • Goering took a cyanide capsule shortly before he was scheduled to be hanged; he was put on trial at the Nuremberg IMT. Himmler kept a cyanide capsule in his mouth while he ate a sandwich, then bit down on the capsule.

      Comment by furtherglory — December 28, 2010 @ 8:04 am

  36. It is the time for all of us to realize that we cannot convince certain people and cannot argue with certain people. They are using a high level of demagoguery and false analogies as their logical technique. They are not be to asked questions such as “why do you think that happen?”, but “show me the hard proof, or get lost”. The people like “Wahrheit”, “oklahomarose”, or “paolosliv” are trolls and should be treated as such.
    I have a suspicion that they are getting paid for their activities. But the smartest and “chosenest” ones know that the time is up. It is time to pay for lies, for World Wars, for Palestine, for Russia, for Germany, for Iraq, etc.
    Further Glory and Mr. Berg: Excellent comments.

    Comment by Gasan — December 26, 2010 @ 6:49 pm

  37. Isn’t it rather obvious than no one in his right mind wanted to be “liberated” by the Soviets. That is just one dirty little secret that is buried in the Jewish holocaust fables. Compared to the Soviets (America’s greatest allies), even the Nazis and the SS from Auschwitz (the worst of the worst?) were preferred by the “survivors” of the mass extermination of more than a million Jews. It makes no sense at all, especially when one realizes how many Soviet leaders and officials were Jews also. Millions of Palestinians fled in terror a-w-a-y from the Israelis (not toward the Israelis!!) after the deliberate murder of merely hundreds, perhaps a few thousands, at Deir Yassin and elsewhere. At Auschwitz, a million Jews had supposedly been murdered by the Nazis practically in front of the eyes of the “survivors.” And yet, those same “survivors” still preferred to endure the hardships of wartime travel in the depth of winter with, and continue to work with and for those very same Nazis—supposedly the greatest murderers of Jews in all of human history. It is unbelievable!

    Did those “Auschwitz survivors” think, if they went west with the Nazis, they could at some point simply skedaddle over to the western Allies and offer themselves as witnesses to Nazi barbarism? Did they think the Nazis would let them escape if they were at all worried about what these Jewish “survivors” and “eyewitnesses” to might have to say? Clearly, what was happening was totally different from the horrible fairytale we have been given since the war. No doubt, the Jews went west with the Nazis because they knew the Nazis would keep them alive as best they could. The greatest danger they faced on their trek west was from Allied bombing and strafing—and NOT the Nazis or SS at all.

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — December 25, 2010 @ 7:23 pm

    • I recall my amazement when I read in some of the Holocaust survivor books that the women in the camp and the SS men were on very friendly terms. Especially, in the warehouses where the women worked in the sorting of the clothes. There were even a few of the women who had a romance with an SS man and I remember that at least one woman married an SS man after the war. I also remember that one woman told about the time that the prisoners at Birkenau put on a show in which the prisoners sang and danced on an outdoor stage. They practiced for this show for weeks. The audience consisted of prisoners and SS men sitting side by side.

      I read one book about the Plaszow camp, which was shown in Schindler’s List. A woman in this camp wrote her memoir while she was in the camp; she gave it to a male prisoner who was released before the war was over. She mentioned that he was given back his clothes when he was released, but the clothes didn’t fit him because he had GAINED WEIGHT while he was in the camp. She trusted this prisoner to deliver her manuscript to someone outside the camp and he did. She mentioned that Amon Goeth, the Commandant, was very fat and that he used to ride his white horse around the camp, but she didn’t tell the story of him shooting prisoners from his balcony. Photos of him show that he wasn’t as fat as people are today, but back then, almost everyone was skinny.

      P.S. I particularly remember one story that a survivor told about the women prisoners and an SS man drinking wine in a women’s barrack. This was late in the war, and the SS man told the women that Germany was losing the war. Maybe he was being friendly with the women in the hope that they would give the SS men a good report after the war. In any case, he brought wine and socialized with several of the women prisoners.

      Comment by furtherglory — December 26, 2010 @ 7:45 am

    • In the case of the women in the Auschswitz camp, they may have decided to take their chances with the German solders, rather than wait for the Russian soldiers to arrive. There are stories of the women at the Ravensbruck camp being raped by the Russian liberators.

      I recently read a book written by a German woman in Berlin who said that she rushed out to find some Russian officers rather than wait to be gang raped by the regular Russian soldiers. She also wrote that one of the Russian officers, that she invited to her apartment, was an ethnic German and he declined to take advantage of the situation. It is not surprising that the prisoners at Auschwitz-Birkenau preferred to go with the Germans rather than wait for the Russians, who were thought to be barbarians. A German woman told me shortly after the war that the women in Germany tried to make themselves look old so that they would not be raped, but this didn’t make any difference to the Russians. The woman in Berlin wrote in her book that the Russians preferred little girls and old women because they were afraid of getting a venereal disease.

      Comment by furtherglory — December 26, 2010 @ 10:05 am


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