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January 11, 2011

Himmler’s death — suicide or murder?

Filed under: Germany, World War II — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 10:10 am

Heinrich Himmler after his alleged suicide on May 23, 1945 while in British custody

The photo above was sent to me by Gasan, a reader of my blog, who believes that Himmler was murdered and that the photo above shows that Himmler’s nose had been broken.  Heinrich Himmler was captured by British troops on May 21, 1945 and was “silenced permanently” two days later, according to one of the documents shown below.  You can read the full story on the website of British historian David Irving here.

Gasan was alerted to a name, in the documents shown on Irving’s web site, which attracted his attention:  Robert Bruce Lockhart.   Gasan sent me the photos of the documents which I have posted below. Himmler is referred to as “Little H.”  Hitler was the big H.

(Click on the photos to enlarge)

Letter sent to Robert  Bruce Lockhart

Letter to Lockhart

Letter from Brendan Bracken

This following information was sent to me by Gasan, who gave me permission to post it on my blog:

This is regarding the “suicide” of Heinrich Himmler. The comments regarding Bruce Lockhart are mine. I was portrayed in some old Soviet movies back in the 1970s. That is how I recognized the name right away.

Bruce Lockhart, KCMG? What a small world!  The guy who plotted to kill Lenin in 1918. What a coincidence!

Lenin had withdrawn Russia from World War I, a war of first cousins, because he was busy with the fratricidal civil war in Russia. The Jew Lenin (Ulyanov-Blank) was lost between two Jew-Bank establishments, which could not decide which country should be destroyed first: Germany or Russia. Lenin’s handlers believed that it should be Germany, but Lockhart’s handlers believed it should be Russia. That is why Lockhart was appointed as a Vice-Consul to Moscow.

Is this why the limeys (the British) were so afraid of Himmler being interrogated by the Americans? Would Himmler have been able to reveal some embarrassing information?

World War I was a “war of cousins” because King George V of England, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany and Tsar Nicholas II of Russia were all first cousins.

This information about Lockhart was copied from Wikipedia:

In 1918, Bruce Lockhart and fellow British agent, Sidney Reilly, were dramatically implicated in a plot to assassinate Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin. He was accused of plotting against the Bolshevik regime and, for a time during 1918, was confined in the Kremlin as a prisoner and condemned to death. However, his life was spared in an exchange of “secret agents” for the Russian diplomat Maksim Maksimovich Litvinov.

He later wrote about his experiences in his 1932 autobiographical book, Memoirs of a British Agent which became an instant worldwide hit, and was made into the 1934 film British Agent by Warner Brothers.

14 Comments »

  1. Himmler actually died of a ruptured aortic aneurism. He was under severe stress for fear of being executed as a war criminal and being the despicable little coward which he was, this stress proved too much. Himmler had suffered from “stomach” cramps for some time towards the end of the war and had received treatment for the same.

    Comment by richelieu100 — October 7, 2013 @ 11:05 pm

    • What is your source for the information that Himmler died of a ruptured aortic aneurism? I did a google search on this and found nothing.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 8, 2013 @ 7:27 am

  2. A very interesting page. Something that has always troubled me about Himmlers ‘suicide’ was that in the official version, he admits his identity so quickly, he must have known that to reveal his real name would mean certain death, and yet the story goes that he meekly confirmed his identity within minutes of being captured. Also why go to the trouble of making a perfect set of documents and wearing a different set of clothes , if you are going to carry a penknife in your pocket with the letters ‘RF-SS’ on it ? or a glasses case with the same four letters, it doesn’t make sense.
    Also, didn’t a British NCO who was involved later claim thet thay gave Himmler ‘A good beating’ or simlar ? understandable, I guess.
    Is it possible that during this ‘good beating’ that the cyanide capsule in his false tooth cracked and killed him ?
    That would provide a reason for official reticence.

    Comment by Mahler — February 14, 2011 @ 4:04 am

    • Where did you get the information that Himmler had a false tooth? In Padfield’s autobiography of Himmler, it was claimed that Himmler had a “perfect set of teeth” and that he was proud of his perfect teeth; he allegedly had only one small filling in his teeth. It was also claimed that the first SS men had to have perfect teeth in order to be in the SS because Himmler was obsessed with perfect teeth.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 14, 2011 @ 4:11 am

  3. To answer your questions about “nahtzees” caught by Soviets: there was none of the reported, as far as I recall, who were able to swallow any cyanide after being captured. All of them were treated humanly before the execution, of course. As a matter of fact, The Soviets executed significantly less POW’s than Britain or US. There was not a routine execution of the soldiers with SS insignia on their collars, as we have seen on the “History Channel”. For as bad as ole USSR was, there were no laws of “common knowledge” or “common design”.
    About Dr. Rascher: You are giving him too much of credit. It is my understanding, that he was experimenting with hypothermia patterns and “killed people in the cold water”, “brought gypsy naked girls to warm them up” and other nonsense. If you have seen his pictures, you would notice that he is wearing the Luftwaffe (Air Force) uniform. Now, about the capsules with cyanide. Dr. Rascher was a therapist, based on his activities, according to official history, even his alleged “experiments”. At which point he became a pharmacist, who was able to create capsules with poison of any kind? You are giving him too much credit
    Let me give you an example:
    How possible it would be for a German-Lutheran church organist to go to China and teach them how to play a Chinese ethnic string or wind instrument? Any thing wrong with it? All musicians can do the job, right? No, it is wrong.
    Sigmund Rascher would not qualify to deal with any type of poisons, unless he has a degree in pharmacology, which we haven’t heard of.
    And, if “nahtzees” wanted to get such capsules, wouldn’t they talk to the pharmacology specialists not a therapist?
    I think that the story of Rascher supplying anyone with cyanide capsules is a lie.

    Comment by Gasan — January 11, 2011 @ 9:57 pm

  4. Even more curiously, it was Dr Leo Alexander who first made this (unevidenced?) claim in 1949
    http://www.restoringourheritage.com/articles/nej_medicaldictatorship.pdf

    Comment by littlegreyrabbit — January 11, 2011 @ 8:58 pm

  5. Well I am not disagreeing with you that a broken nose seems to indicate that Himmler may have been killed. I just suspect these documents are too good to be true.

    Just on the side, it is commonly credited to Dr Rascher that he invented and supplied the cyanide capsules (cf his wikipedia page). I don’t know how well evidenced that is.

    If true either all senior Nazis were carrying around cyanide capsules from March 1944 – or every supposed cyanide capsule was an Allied murder.

    Did the Russians report anyone falling into their hands chomping down on cyanide?

    Comment by littlegreyrabbit — January 11, 2011 @ 8:57 pm

  6. What I have learned from Suvorov’s books, is that whenever you see more than one “coincidence” in a story, then it stops being “a coincidence” and become the rule.
    We could debate forever if the documents are genuine or fake. I personally can’t find anything wrong with the wording used by “Mr.Thomas of Bremen” (“I have issued orders that my presence at Luneberg is not to be recorded in any fashion”). The more important for me was, if that person could really travel from Bremen to Lüneburg even in one day. The distance is 69 miles and the answer is yes. I would not pay that much attention to the documents, but the name of Robert Bruce-Lockhart looked like another “coincidence”. Let us talk about him for a second. Was he an respectable nobleman of Scotland, or was he a cold-blooded conspirator and murderer? And this KSMG (Knight of St. Michael & St. George) was associated throughout his life with the scam such as Sidney Reilly, Boris Savinkov and Sefton Delmer. (The last one will be my special project). Lockhart’s biography, just by itself, is the proof that the conspiracies DO exist.
    For whatever reason, Heinrich Himmler must be “permanently silenced” and never be able to talk to the Americans.
    And here are some more coincidences:
    Odilo Lotario Globocnik, SS Obergruppenführer.
    “On November 9, 1939, Himmler appointed Globocnik SS and Police Leader in the Lublin district of the General Government. After a disappointing party career, Globocnik now had a second chance in the ranks of the SS and the police. The following years proved what he was capable of. Globocnik was responsible for:

    Liquidating the Warsaw Ghetto, which contained about 500,000 Jews, the largest Jewish community in Europe and the second largest in the world after New York
    Liquidating the Bialystok Ghetto, which stood out for its strong resistance to German occupation
    Resettling a large quantity of Poles under the premise of ethnic cleansing.
    Implementation and supervision of the Lublin reservation, to which 95,000 Jews were deported, with its adjacent network of forced labour camps in the Lublin district. He was also in charge of over 45,000 Jewish labourers”
    So we are talking here about the person who was responsible for holocaust in the first degree and should be prosecuted, right?
    And what happened to him?
    “According to some accounts, Globocnik was tracked down and captured by British troops at the Möslacher Alm, overlooking the Weissensee on May 31 1945, and may have committed suicide the same day in Paternion by biting on his capsule of cyanide. To corroborate this, there are at least two contemporary photographs showing Globocnik’s body shortly after his death. Furthermore, there are several reliable reports, including the Regimental Diary and Field Reports of the 4th Queen’s Own Hussars, detailing the circumstances of his capture and suicide. However, Globocnik actually was arrested in Carinthia at the end of the war by Sgt John Sowler of the 4th Queen’s Own Hussars. Sowler was under the command of a Major Ramsey from SIS (MI6), and this group had been tracking and arresting potential war criminals in Austria. Shortly after capture, Globocnik committed suicide by means of a cyanide capsule hidden in his mouth. He was taken to be buried in a local churchyard, but the priest reportedly refused to have ‘the body of such a man’ resting in consecrated ground. A grave was dug outside the churchyard, next to an outer wall, and the body was laid to rest without ceremony.
    Urban legends
    Other sources put his death in either early May or June 1945 at the hands of either partisans or a Jewish revenge squad.

    A false version of Globocnik’s fate has circulated indicating that he was turned over to U.S. intelligence by the British. This is based on an “official US document signed by US CIC S/A Operations Officer Andrew L. Venters, dated 27 October 1948, more than three years AFTER his supposed death”. However this document was exposed as a forgery in the 1980s by the investigative writer and historian, Gitta Sereny; she gives all details in a long article in the Observer newspaper (“Spin Time For Hitler”, London, April 21 1996).”

    In short: Globocnik was “permanently silenced”, nobody made any further inquires, the case is closed.

    Richard Glücks, SS -Gruppenführer

    Glücks’s responsibilities at first mainly covered the use of concentration camp inmates for forced labour. In this phase, he urged camp commandants to lower the death rate in the camps, as it went counter to the economic objectives his department was to fulfill. Other orders of his were to ask for the inmates to be made to work continuously. At the same time, it was Glücks who recommended on February 21, 1940, Auschwitz, a former Austrian cavalry barracks, as a suitable site for a new concentration camp to Himmler, Pohl, and Heydrich. The camp opened on June 14, 1940, and Glücks was quick to provide slave labour from the camp to the new coal-oil and rubber plant erected nearby by I.G. Farben.

    From 1942 on, Glücks was increasingly involved in the implementation of the “Final Solution”, along with Oswald Pohl. In July 1942, he participated in a planning meeting with Himmler on the topic of medical experiments on camp inmates. From several visits to the Auschwitz concentration camps, Glücks must have been well aware of the dire conditions, and he certainly was aware of the mass murders and other atrocities committed there. Orders for the extermination went through Glücks’ office and hands; and he specifically authorized the purchase of Zyklon B for gassing in Auschwitz.

    Here we go! Who should be on trial for holocaust crimes, if not Richard Glücks? Did he make it to the trial? Not a chance!

    “When the WVHA offices in Berlin were destroyed by Allied bombing on April 16, 1945, the WVHA was moved to Born on Darß in Nordvorpommern on the Baltic sea. Owing to the advances of the Russian forces, Glücks and his wife fled to Flensburg at the end of April. It is known that Glücks met Himmler for the last time there. After the capitulation of Germany, he is BELIEVED to have committed suicide on May 10, 1945 by swallowing a capsule of potassium cyanide at the Mürwik naval base in Flensburg. Since there are no official records or photos to confirm Glücks’ suicide, some historians believe that he escaped in the same manner as other Nazis such as Friedrich Wilhelm Kruger and Odilo Globocnik .

    Leonardo Conti, SS SS-Obergruppenführer

    Conti held the posts and titles of Head of the Reich Physicians’ Chamber (German: Reichsärztekammer), Leader of the NSDÄB, and Leader of the Main Office for the People’s Health. In 1939, Conti was appointed Reichsgesundheitsführer (Imperial Leader of Health Department) and State Secretary in the Interior Ministry.

    After Germany’s surrender, Conti was to have been tried his involvement in the Action T4 Euthanasia Program at the Doctors’ Trial. However, he hanged himself on his cell on October 6, 1945 (over a year before the trial began).

    Conti should know everything about experiments at the concentration camps. But he conveniently hanged himself.

    So we have three more “permanently silenced” holocaust perpetrators. Please note, that the deaths of Globocnik and Glücks had never been ever confirmed and what is most surprising, nobody actually cared! There were no further investigations or searches for them. They were pronounced dead in absentia and everyone was happy. Was it because the Allies did not want them to testify at the tribunals?

    This is my point: Himmler, Glücks, Globocnik and Conti deserved a fair trial for what they did, or probably, did not. If they had committed those crimes as we always had been told, the were, why they were “silenced permanently”?

    Comment by Gasan — January 11, 2011 @ 8:38 pm

  7. This is the photo that shows a bent nose most clearly
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/death/images/dead_illicit_PRO_450.jpg

    Re the documents, they don’t read genuine to me. A line like: “I have issued orders that my presence at Luneberg is not to be recorded in any fashion” look like a forger trying to cover his butt. If you really want to get conspiratorial about it, real documents might have been found, replaced with fakes and then subjected to forensic analysis.

    Regardless, Himmler’s nose still looks broken.

    Comment by littlegreyrabbit — January 11, 2011 @ 4:17 pm

  8. I looked at the page on the link that you provided and found this information:

    “He (Fenton) had engaged a forensic expert to examine the documents, he said, and the PRO had allowed this. In that part of her (the forensic expert) report quoted by Fenton (at this point he has not released the whole report), she claims upon superficial examination under a high powered microscope to detect signs of forgery, even of the use of modern laser-printing technology.”

    This does not convince me that the documents are not authentic. Why didn’t the PRO (Public Records Office) do a forensic examination of the documents? Notice the term “superficial examination”? Why didn’t she do an “in depth” examination?

    Comment by furtherglory — January 11, 2011 @ 12:44 pm

    • I find it odd that you were quick to pronounce Rasher’s letter to Himmler as a forgery, but when presented with evidence of a microscope examination of the documents which shows evidence of forgery, you dismiss it.

      Anyway, like Irving, I have a relatively open position on them. I would like to see more evidence for their authenticity before concluding that Himmler was murdered, but I’m open to it.

      Comment by Wahrheit — January 11, 2011 @ 2:37 pm

      • I have put up a new post to address the issue of the Rascher letter to Himmler.

        Comment by furtherglory — January 12, 2011 @ 9:30 am

      • Wahrheit,
        Rascher’s letter is a FORGERY.
        It is my understanding, that SS officers did not use words “Herr” or “Sehr Geehter” when talking or writing to each other. The same applies to Himmler. The letters addressed to him should have only “Reichsführer”.
        “In contrast to the Imperial military tradition, promotions in the SS were based on the individual’s commitment, effectiveness and political reliability, not class or education.[8] Consequently the SS officer schools offered a military career option for those of modest social background, which was not usually possible in the Wehrmacht.[8] The relationship between officers and soldiers was also less formal than in the regular armed forces.[8] SS-officers were referred to as Führer (“leader”), not Offiziere, which had class connotations.[8] The military rank prefix Herr (“Sir”) was forbidden, and all ranks were addressed simply by their title (for example, a SS private would address a SS Major general as Brigadeführer, never Herr Brigadeführer).[8] Off duty, junior ranks would address their seniors either asKamerad (“Comrade”) or Parteigenosse (“Party collegue”), depending on if both were members of the Nazi party.
        Elie Wiesel made the similar mistake when he wrote his immortal opus, proving that he had never been around any SS officers.
        Also, the using word “sowieso” (anyway) twice in the same sentence is very un-German, (as well as un-English).
        Oh well, German is a difficult language, isn’t it? First of all, I was not able to find the word “Hochsehrgeehrter” in any German dictionary. Maybe this would shed some light:
        拝啓
        Aussprache: haikei
        Kanji Buchstabe: 拝 , 啓
        Stichwort: Grammatik , Begrüßung
        Übersetzung: Briefkopf wie etwa Hoch (Sehr) geehrter Herr, Hoch (Sehr) geehrte Dame (Frau)

        The Japanese-German dictionary shows that there combination of words “hoch (high) and sehr (very) is not quite possible. The word “Hochsehrgeehrter” is an overstatement which should not be “misunderestimated”.
        Where did I hear that one?
        The concentration camps in Germany were called “KZ” (pronounced Kah-Tset), not “KL” as it written in the letter.
        “Die Invalidentransporte” translates actually as a “transport of disabled persons. “In bestimmte Kammern” means in specific (certain) chambers.
        Further Glory, there is one more sentence in the letter, you have probably forgot to translate.
        “Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief als “Geheimsache.”
        “Because of this paragraph I am sending the letter as “secret case.” Just like that, Hochsehrgeehrter Herr “Rascher”? Which paragraph, in particular, he is referring to? Didn’t Himmler, or administration of concentration camps have some procedures regarding how to send secret letters/documents. Or, they just write at the end of the dispatch: “I have decided to make it a “secret case”. As simple as that!
        You are absolutely right about Hartheim Castle. The installation does not look as a gas chamber at all.
        Rascher also was talking about “combat gases”. That means the gases such as “sarin”, “tabun” or “soman”, not “Zyklon B”. The Germans have tons of those “combat gases” and have never used them in WWII.
        Why “Rascher” would want to test them in “specific chambers” when these agents were developed to be used in the open battlefields. It is my understanding that he was doing experiments with hypothermia and high altitude pressure. Who would allow him even to touch any of that chemical stuff? Did he have enough expertise to conduct such experiments? Oh, I forgot, he was also making invisible cyanide capsules for high-ranking government officials. This guy was multi-talented, or what?
        The letter is definitely a forgery

        Comment by Gasan — January 12, 2011 @ 9:33 pm

  9. Hasn’t the authenticity of the documents been in doubt? Irving cites a forensic examination done, which suggested that these documents were printed with modern laser technology?
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/06/our_position.html

    If they are authentic, then the case is clear. That does seem to be a big ‘if’ though.

    Comment by Wahrheit — January 11, 2011 @ 11:51 am


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