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January 20, 2011

Did Goebbels tell big lies? Does a woodchuck chuck wood?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 8:06 am

No, I’m not blogging about Geico commercials today. BTW, my favorite Geico commercial is this one: “Is a bird in the hand worth two in the bush?”  It cracks me up every time.

But I digress.  Last night, Steve Cohen, a Democratic Congressman from Tennessee, invoked the Holocaust to attack Republicans on the Health Care bill; he compared Republican arguments to “the big lies” told by Germany’s Propaganda Minister, Josef Goebbels, in the World War II era.

Cohen said: “They (the Republicans) say it’s a government takeover of health care, a big lie just like Goebbels. You say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie and eventually, people believe it. Like blood libel. That’s the same kind of thing.”

Whoa!  Did Cohen get mixed up when he invoked Nazi terminology?  The problem with bringing up something like “the big Lie” and the name Goebbels is that, when this is shown later on the news on TV, everyone who is watching will jump up at the first commercial and google it.   

The term “the big Lie” was coined by Hitler, not Goebbels.  “The big Lie” was the lie that Germany had lost the war on the battlefield in World War I.  Today, the term “the big Lie” has been turned around to mean that Hitler advocated telling big lies.  Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that people are more likely to believe a big lie. Everyone tells little lies, but when you hear a big lie, you think it is true.

Hitler was against telling big lies, and as far as I know, Goebbels did not advocate telling big lies either.  Goebbels thought the British told big lies.  Here is a quote from Goebbels:

That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous. – Joseph Goebbels, 12 January 1941, Die Zeit ohne Beispiel

In his “big lie” speech last night, Cohen said that the Nazis told lies about the Jews over and over and eventually, this led to the Holocaust.  It is true that the Nazis gave their version of what caused their defeat in World War I over and over, and their version was different from the Jewish version of what happened in World War I.    But which side was lying and which side was telling the truth?

It was a big mistake for Steve Cohen to open up this can of worms.  Now we will have a whole new generation looking up the facts and deciding for themselves.

To save you the trouble of looking it up, here is the exact quote from Mein Kampf:

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.
All this was inspired by the principle–which is quite true within itself–that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

Steve Cohen continued on, saying this on the House floor last night:  “The Germans said enough about the Jews and the people believed it — and you had the Holocaust.”

The Jews were kicked out of many countries (82 times, in fact) because of accusations of “blood libel” but this accusation was not the cause of the Holocaust.  It was not what the Germans said about the Jews that resulted in the Holocaust.

The Holocaust, aka “The Final Solution” was “The Final Solution of the Jewish Question.”  The “Jewish Question” was whether or not the Jews should have their own country within a country, or should they assimilate.  Hitler did not want the Jews to assimilate in Germany; he wanted the Jews to have their own country, but not within the country of Germany.

7 Comments

  1. Jerry Mazza.Infowars.com.May 21 2010.Paul Joseph Watson a writer at Prison Planet whom I greatly respect gave us a reminder Monday May 17th that . The Big Brother Czar is also a Harvard Professor currently dishing up the pabulum for Obama s White House that conspiracy theories should be banned from the Internet so much for Harvard Czar-Doctor Cass Sunstein and intellectual freedom……………..Sunstein s tonality is reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels New Years Address for 1939………What s more Sunstein wants to legally force Americans to do what s best for our society and water down their free speech granted by the US Constitution by mandating websites with pop-up links to opposing government propaganda be forcibly included on political blogs. Could we have such pop-ups when the President is speaking Henry Kissinger Bibi Netanyahu AIPAC Larry Silverstein NIST Fox News Lloyd Blankfein?.Coincidentally the also Harvard educated Constitutional lawyer now President Barack Obama agrees with Sunstein and has knighted him Head of Information Technology in the White House for Conspiracy Theories i.e.

    Comment by Monex — January 26, 2011 @ 11:20 pm

  2. Sceptic,
    You are correct as usual. That is what we are experiencing today in the United States as well as around the World. Both Russian-Jewish oil “oligarchs” and Iowa meat processing factory owners (Rubashkins) are seeking the refuge in the country of “the international world swindlers” AKA as Israel. Hitler was absolutely right in his assessment, he has made in 1924.

    Comment by Gasan — January 23, 2011 @ 10:29 pm

  3. May I also state that this is an excellent post. Fun to read.

    To Gasan and the quote from Chapter 11, Mein Kampf: I guess you picked that out because it’s so similar to what we’re experiencing today in the U.S.

    Comment by Skeptic — January 21, 2011 @ 10:00 pm

  4. You will have noticed that Cohen said that if you repeat a lie often enough that people will come to beleive it. How about that holocaust, then?

    Comment by Monk — January 21, 2011 @ 8:42 am

  5. Some quotes from “Mein Kampf” Chapter 11:

    “Die Herrschaft des Juden im Staate erscheint schon so gesichert, daß er sich jetzt nicht nur wieder als Jude bezeichnen darf, sondern auch seine völkischen und politischen letzten Gedankengänge rücksichtslos zugibt. Ein Teil seiner Rasse bekennt sich schon ganz offen als fremdes Volk, nicht ohne dabei auch wieder zu lügen. Denn indem der Zionismus der anderen Welt weiszumachen versucht, daß die völkische Selbstbesinnung des Juden in der Schaffung eines palästinensischen Staates seine Befriedigung fände, betölpeln die Juden abermals die dummen Gojim auf das gerissenste. Sie denken gar nicht daran, in Palästina einen jüdischen Staat [Israel] aufzubauen, um ihn etwa zu bewohnen, sondern sie wünschen nur eine mit eigenen Hoheitsrechten ausgestattete, dem Zugriff anderer Staaten entzogene Organisationszentrale ihrer internationalen Weltbegaunerei; einen Zufluchtsort überführter Lumpen und eine Hochschule werdender Gauner.”

    “The Jew’s domination in the state seems so assured that now not only can he call himself a Jew again, but he ruthlessly admits his ultimate national and political designs. A section of his race openly owns itself to be a foreign people, yet even here they lie. For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.”

    Comment by Gasan — January 20, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

  6. It is always very interesting to ask the proponents of official history about what were actually “the big lies” told by Hitler or Goebbels. The average person won’t be able to recall any. Some might address “The Reichstag Fire” episode. Last time, I checked, there was absolutely no evidence of the involvement of members of National-Socialist Party in that crime. However, I have kept in mind that there was a confession letter written by SA Gruppenführer Karl Ernst. It seems that the original does not exist. However I was able to find the text of the letter with the comments.
    Here it is:
    http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/ni/vol02/no01/lore.htm

    New International, Vol.2 No.1, January 1935. Huh? The publication of Leon Trotsky AKA Lev Bronstein, the murderer of millions? Trotsky has killed more people (confirmed), than Adolf Hitler ever alleged. Trotsky has more money at his disposal than the whole budget of National-Socialist Germany. Somehow, Mr. Lev Bronstein managed to enter United States in 1917 without inspection and quarantine and obtain US citizenship within two months. After that he departed back to Russia with 267 new gangster friends from East Side of NYC, who had brought along a few hundred machine guns. Those “friends” were speaking very poor Russian and prefer to present themselves as Latvians, Lithuanians or other nations of former Russian Empire. Those people killed literally millions of citizens of Russian Empire (and yes, that does include children and women) through executions and mass starvation.
    And later in 1935, Bronstein-Trotsky produced “a letter” by SA Gruppenführer Karl Ernst about burning a building, which caused no one to die or even had the mild burns?
    Oh, now I can see where the whole idea of “the big lies” is coming from. Maybe Steve Cohen is related to Lev Bronstein? But, this is not true and they are not related, they still have very similar agenda and that is:
    Telling “THE BIG LIES”.

    Comment by Gasan — January 20, 2011 @ 9:19 pm

  7. Great post!
    Steve Cohen made a fool of himself, oh well, no surprise there. I bet he does not even realize that he is telling THE BIGGEST LIE ever himself. This “big lie”, we have been fed for decades, might have some day a stretching spring effect.

    Comment by Gasan — January 20, 2011 @ 8:20 pm


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