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March 22, 2011

the Zyklon-B gas chutes on the outside wall of the Dachau gas chamber

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 11:32 am

Two chutes on the outside wall of Dachau gas chamber

The photograph above shows the wall on the East side of the Dachau gas chamber building. On the wall are two bins which have hinges on the bottom so that they could be opened or closed; in the center is a small hole that has been closed up. These bins were allegedly used as chutes to pour Zyklon-B gas pellets onto the floor of the gas chamber. The inside wall behind the bins has two screened openings, through which the gas pellets fell onto the floor.

This morning there was a comment by a reader on a blog post that I did back on December 21, 2010 which you can read here.  The reader was commenting on what Herbert Stolpmann wrote on January 4, 2011, which I have quoted below:

I was taken to see the Dachau KZ by an American GI in 1946, at that time it was not spruced up as a memorial site as it is now. Apart from that I lived up to 1956 in the old Hospital Barracks Hs.No 52,still have the German ID to this date and met an old inmate the Communist secretary of Lower Bavaria, an reliable source of info within the Camp.I would like to make it quite clear, that the Gas Chamber was never operational. As a matter of fact the so called chutes to push cyclon pallets into the system had been added later on after the liberation to lend the myth of gassing some measure of authenticity. The name of my friend and former inmate is Josef Weichart and has most likly passed away by now. I had no recent contact with him.  HK Stolpmann-Auckland New Zealand 05.01.2011

The reader commented that “Something like this shouldn’t just be sitting around in the comment section. Should make an article or ‘testimony’ or something like that.”  So I am doing a new post to address the issue of the chutes on the outside wall of Baracke X at Dachau.

Wooden screen on the East wall of the gas chamber building

The photo above was taken by the US Army a few days after the camp was liberated on April 29, 1945. It shows a wooden screen in front of the East wall of Baracke X, the gas chamber building. The screen was 16 feet long and extended 6 feet out from the wall; there was no roof over the area behind the screen. The two bins shown in the photo at the top of this post were hidden by this screen.  According to Holocaust historians, this screen was placed in front of the wall by the Nazis in order to hide their activity from the prisoners.

However, the Report of the Atrocities Committed at Dachau Concentration Camp, signed by Col. David Chavez, Jr., JAGD, 7 May 1945, states that this screen was a “Wooden shed believed to contain a pump or compressor.” The Chavez Report was entered into the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal as Documents 159L and 2430-PS.

The openings for the gas chutes on the outside wall of the Dachau gas chamber

Notice that the gas bins and the peephole are not centered on the outside wall. Instead they are centered on the inside of the gas chamber.

One of the openings for the gas chutes on the inside of the gas chamber

The gas bins are now rusted so that they cannot be closed.

The first time that I visited the Dachau Memorial site, I went to see the film that is shown several times each day.  The movie shows some footage of the gas chamber, taken by the American military on May 3, 1945. The inside of the gas chamber is shown in the film, but not the interior of the East wall where the openings for the gas chutes are located. This film was shown at the Nuremberg IMT as evidence that there was a gas chamber at Dachau. It shows the corridor behind the West wall of the gas chamber which has what are purportedly gas pipes going into the gas chamber, but does not show the bins for the gas chutes on the outside wall.

Poster at Dachau shows an old photo of Baracke X

The photo above shows a poster at the Dachau Memorial Site.  The photo in the poster was taken by a Yugoslavian prisoner who was a captured Resistance fighter.  On the left side of the photo, you can see the wooden enclosure around the spot where the bins for the chutes are now located.  With so many bodies piled up, how did the SS men get behind the wooden screen to throw the Zyklon-B pellets into the gas chamber?

I was very curious about the gas chutes on the wall, so I began searching for some description of them by anyone who saw the chutes before 1947, the date that Mr. Stolpmann claims that they were constructed.  I searched for at least a year and I found many descriptions of the Dachau gas chamber which I put on my web site; you can read the descriptions here.

For some strange reason, no one noticed the bins for the gas chutes on the East wall.  Of course, the bins could have been closed so that no light would have been coming through the little windows, but still you would think that at least one person would have noticed the windows, which are quite large.

1945 photo shows wooden screen hiding the gas bins

The photo above was taken on April 30, 1945, the day after the Dachau concentration camp was liberated, when the 40th Combat Engineer Regiment, which was supporting the 45th Thunderbird Division, arrived to take over.  There is a door which was apparently taken from some other location and propped up against the wooden screen.  It is hard to tell, but there might be a door into the screened area on the right hand side.  Strangely no one mentioned what might be behind the wooden screen, except Col. David Chavez, Jr. who wrote in his report on May 7, 1945 that this was a “Wooden shed believed to contain a pump or compressor.”  Maybe no one actually looked behind the wooden screen because there was no door, or maybe the door was nailed shut.

You can read the official history of the Dachau gas chamber here on the Holocaust History web site.  Scroll way, way, way down to the part about the gas chutes which I have quoted below:

Further evidence of its design as a homicidal chamber are the two bin-like drawers leading from the gas chamber to the exterior. <photo 37> <photo 38> <photo 39> The only possible explanation for these bins is that they were designed to receive the granules of Zyklon-B (or some other lethal volatile poison) from a small tin. The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask, open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one.
[….]
The question arises of the difference between the method of dispensing of Zyklon-B to the disinfestation chambers and to the extermination chamber. Quite simply: the exposure time and concentration of hydrogen cyanide gas for killing insects is considerably higher than that which is needed to kill humans. According to the manufacturers of the product, it only requires 0.3 grams per cubic meter to kill human beings, whereas concentrations of up to 10 grams per cubic meter were routinely employed to destroy insects. 22 The relative ease with which it is possible to kill humans with low concentrations of hydrogen cyanide makes it simpler and less expensive to use the drawer-like bins in the homicidal chamber rather than to use the costly Degesch dispensers. Additionally, the bins would allow for other volatile poisons to be employed as suggested by Rascher in his letter to Himmler. (See below.)
[….]
A suspicious and heretofore unexplained structure bears mentioning.
What appears to be a wooden screen blocking the area where the bin-like drawers are located on the eastern wall of the new crematorium (Baracke X) can be observed in photographs taken immediately after the camp was liberated by the Americans. <photo 42> (See also <photo 17> above.) This screen seems to be about 16 feet wide and six feet deep. It does not appear to have any roof-covering. If it was indeed a screen, it would have allowed operation of the bin-like drawers by one or more perpetrators without any possibility of being observed by any casual bystanders.

The Dachau Memorial Site is under the authority of the International Committee of Dachau, a prisoners’ organization which still exists to this day.  Holocaust denial is against the law in Germany, so the information given at the Memorial Site is that the Zyklon-B pellets “could have have been” put into the gas chamber though the bins on the outside wall. Only a few of the tour guides at Dachau tell visitors today that Zyklon-B gas pellets were put into the Dachau gas chamber though gas chutes.

By the way, today is the 78th anniversary of the date that the Dachau concentration camp was first opened on March 22, 1933.

22 Comments

  1. Assuming those bins were really Zyklon B chutes, how were the Zyklon B pellets supposed to be collected after each gassing. If there was no way to collect the Zyklon B pellets after gassings, lethal hydrogen cyanide would have been released for hours after the end of the alleged gassings. That would have made it impossible to drag the bodies out of the “gas chamber” for a long time. Who can believe the Germans would have designed such a stupid facility?

    Comment by hermie — March 23, 2014 @ 8:34 pm

    • The gas chambers at Auschwitz had the same problem. The gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp, which is shown to tourists today, had no way to collect the pellets after gassing. The pellets would have been on the floor, under the bodies, and mixed with the fluids emitted from the bodies as the victims died. It would have been a complete mess that would have nauseated the Sonderkommando Jews who had to drag the bodies out. The Sonderkommando Jews would have said: “Just kill me now; I’m not going to touch this mess.”

      According to Germar Rudolf, and others who descended into the gas chambers at Birkenau, there was no way to collect the pellets that were poured into these gas chambers. The pellets were supposed to be collected and returned to the manufacturer to be filled with Zyklon-B again. Allegedly, the Germans wasted the pellets and did not return them to the manufacturer.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 24, 2014 @ 7:00 am

  2. I have done a lot of research over the past 10-15 years on concentration camps. Instead of being gassed, my farther was buried alive!
    Now, Zyklon-B pellets can only work well when it is exposed to water. There were showers built at first, but later converted into death chambers for 800-1200 victims at the time. It took only 5-30 minutes to kill, pending where a victim stood. Americans did not convert those chambers into crematoria. When anyone makes a statement – DO YOUR RESEARCH!

    Comment by Nieland — January 10, 2013 @ 11:15 am

    • Do you have any details about your father being buried alive? Did this happen in the town of Lachowicze? I did a search on the Internet and found this website: http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/lyakhovichi/holocaust4.htm

      This quote is from the website:
      Begin Quote:
      It was very early In the morning, on 29 October, 1941 when the Nazi soldiers with the Assistance of the local Militia, closed down the town of Lachowicze, […]

      The remainder of the Jews, about 4000 of them, were then led away in groups of about 150 to Klein Latve, about 50 m from the Railway Station Viedzma, where there Were ditches that the Jews dug out before the slaughter. Around the ditches Stood Nazi soldiers armed with machine guns. Whoever ran away, were shot Brutally and lay in pools of blood, all along the way to Klein Latve. By the ditches, they were ordered to strip naked, they were checked If they had anything of value, especially those people with gold teeth had their Teeth knocked out to remove the gold. The Nazis shot the Jews group by group, Pouring chlorine on the bodies after each killing. The shooting continued till 9 PM The shouts and screams were heard for long distances. Some of the people Were buried, while still alive. According to local witnesses, the earth that covered The bodies moved up and down for a long time following the event. In this way, 4000 Lachowicze Jews were murdered and some were buried alive.

      End Quote

      Comment by furtherglory — January 11, 2013 @ 9:23 am

      • “Zyklon-B pellets can only work well when it is exposed to water”

        But the Auschwitz [homicidal] “gas chambers” were not supposed to work with water…

        “There were showers built at first, but later converted into death chambers for 800-1200 victims at the time.”

        You contradict the American version, as the shower heads in the Dachau “gas chamber” were supposed to be dummy shower heads intended to lure the future victims. According to the American story, there never were functional showers in that room, which was (still according to the Americans) originally built as a gas chamber.

        Do you have any proof that room was first a shower room and then a homicidal gas chamber where 800-1200 were killed at once?

        If there exist evidence that room was used as a gas chamber, why have the administrators of the Dachau museum put a sign inside the “gas chamber” stating it “was never used as a gas chamber”? Why did Mr Broszat wrote nobody was gassed at Dachau in 1960? And why has the US Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) written on its website that there is “no credible evidence” that anybody was ever gassed there?

        Comment by hermie — March 23, 2014 @ 8:56 pm

  3. I am amazed that this is still being taken seriously when holocausters and revisionists alike say that there were no death camps in Germany.

    Comment by Bemused — August 27, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

    • Tour guides at Dachau, Mauthausen and Sachsenhausen tell visitors that the gas chambers there were used. The only camp in Germany where no gas chamber is claimed is Buchenwald.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 27, 2012 @ 6:36 pm

  4. Dear Skeptic
    There were never any intentions by the Military Tribunal to release the bodies of the hanged (11)plus Goering who took poison to release them to their families. It would have been a rallying point to this day if any type of memorial or even a grave stone would have been publicly erected,we all felt guilty in some minor way what had happened and the unforgiveable crimes that were committed,you did not have to be a so called “Nazi” for that matter.The ashes were dumped into the Isar river which flows through Munich.There are two small plaques along the river bank for Ribbentrop and Jodl which the families have erected,but I have not seen them.It was more or less a symbolic act and the last indignity the Allies could have performed to use the Dachau ovens,although cremation facilties were available in Nuernberg.
    Those sixty plus war criminals sentenced to death during the Dachau Trials by hanging was performed in Landsberg and the bodies have been burried within the jail grounds indicated by crosses.It is my understanding that their names have recently been removed from these crosses for whatever reason.

    Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — March 28, 2011 @ 10:30 pm

  5. litlegreyrabbit
    I am not quite clear as to the point you are trying to make:1)There should be no doubt in any ones mind that the old crematorium (I think it had only one oven) was originally built in an old shed like building,and fromm the distortions of the brickwalls that
    are almost convex it did not have the capacity to cope.It’s location is almost missed and overlooked,but it was there in the 1950’s.
    2)The new crematorim which is usually referred to as Barracks X was built to my knowledge in 1942/43 and extensively used.Nothing what-so-ever what I found out was built after the liberation or by the US Army.

    Only as a mtter of interest the ovens were last fired up by the US Military to cremate all war criminal sentenced to death during the Nuerberg trials, a total of 12 but 14 boxes were trucked to Dachau.I do not know who the additional two were.
    I will scan you a plan of the KZ in two parts shortly, specific buildings are numbered and explamations are in German which I am happy to translate for you if need be.

    Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — March 23, 2011 @ 8:43 pm

    • Are you saying that the “Major War Criminals” that were given the death sentence at Nuremberg (11 of them) were cremated in Dachau at the camp crematory there? The bodies were not released intact to their families?

      Comment by Skeptic — March 27, 2011 @ 7:30 pm

  6. Mr Stolpmann.

    I don’t have a copy of it myself, but I know in which archive there is a copy of the building plans of the old crematorium at Dachau. I would be happy to point you in the right direction if you were to email me on the.little.grey.rabbit@gmail.com

    My only request is if you obtain a copy that you could send a scan to me. I do intend to order it myself, but I have an extremely patchy record of getting responses from archives and am a little unwilling to “show my hand” in case it disappears.

    The significance of this building plans is it demonstrates that the site of the old crematorium today is not original location of these ovens (or else this plan was never built).

    Comment by littlegreyrabbit — March 23, 2011 @ 2:35 am

  7. Dear Kageki,furthergloy
    I am fully aware that my comments are from former inmates as well as SS-POW’s that worked there and therefore hearsay.I have never met anyone that claimed to be present or even built those chutes.However, the main point I was trying to convey was and is, all claimed that no inmates have been gassed in the “Brausebad” as is apperently told to visitors at the memorial site. It was never operational!I am trying to get in touch again with my contact who is writing a book in German from another perspective than the Guide Books.Hans Linberger, the onnly survivor of the massacre is still alive, but when it comes to the subject like this I have to give them my word not to reveal anything they say that will go onto the internet. I am awaiting their reply and answers.

    Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — March 23, 2011 @ 2:13 am

    • I can appreciate the main point you are making, but you made the claim so I was just curious. It’s not an insignificant claim that they conspired to add chutes to make it seem more like gas chambers.

      What was supposed to be the purpose of this gas chamber or Baracke X then? A regular shower room? If it was never operational then does that mean construction was never fully completed?

      Comment by Kageki — March 23, 2011 @ 2:45 am

      • I would be interested in Mr Stoplman’s response here.

        My own view (although you did not ask) is this was originally a shower and disinfection block and, as General Unrein claimed in the 50s or 60s – ovens were installed very soon after liberation. That the only geunine ovens are the two in the “old crematorium” and the “old crematorium wasn’t even in that site originally.

        This is an aerial photo from 1940-1941

        You will see that the “new crematorium” is not yet built – yet I also think there is no “old crematorium” at that site either

        Comment by littlegreyrabbit — March 23, 2011 @ 3:16 am

        • If there were no ovens in Baracke X, why were bodies piled up outside the building when the Americans arrived? Why were there bodies piled up in the morgue in Baracke X? Why even have a morgue if there were no ovens? One of the photos on my blog was taken on April 30, 1945 and it shows a huge pile of bodies in front of the wooden shed.

          If the ovens were put there by the Americans after the camp was liberated, how did the Americans obtain the ovens so quickly? There are books written by Americans who were there a few days after the camp was liberated which mention the burning of bodies in the ovens. Are there any records of the Americans ordering or transporting ovens to Dachau?

          Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2011 @ 6:41 am

    • Just to mention that the museum did have a sign that said it was “never used as a gas chamber”. This has apparently been removed and does not exist today in 2011. Picture of the sign is here:
      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachauscrapbook/gaschamber/history01.html

      Comment by Kageki — March 24, 2011 @ 4:29 am

  8. If they were built (or rebuilt as hot air drying machine would require inlets to the shower room), it was done very soon after liberation – as I have a report in 1945 that includes a clear drawing of them.

    Comment by littlegreyrabbit — March 22, 2011 @ 9:16 pm

    • Do these drawings in 1945 show any indication of these chutes?

      Herbert Stolpmann has offered an estimation of 1947 which could be seen as soon after liberation. He says he was brought there in 1946 and presumably stayed there until 1956. He does not claim to be an eyewitness, but rather heard it from someone else. Therefore it would be considered hearsay at this point, but so are most Holocaust survivor testimonies.

      Scrapbookpages has a page with a title indicating that Leuchter has alleged these chutes are “fake”. Here we have some sort of witness confirmation to this claim.

      Comment by Kageki — March 22, 2011 @ 11:28 pm

    • The first American soldiers to see the Baracke X building on the day that Dachau was liberated mentioned that there were towels and soap in the undressing room, along with a vase of flowers. If there was a “drying machine” in the shower room, why were towels needed? In the Dachau gas chamber (or shower room) there is a structure in the corner, to the right of the windows for the chutes, that is like a chimney that is covered with the same tile as the rest of the room. This could be the location of a pipe that was connected to the machine that was inside the wooden shed. It is so dark in the room that I didn’t notice this on several trips to Dachau. When I finally noticed it, I didn’t take a photo of it, unfortunately. Also, there is no indication that the peephole on the East wall was ever completed, because there is no opening on the inside. Why would a peephole be needed to see if the prisoners were dry enough to leave the chamber? I think that the peephole was never completed because completing it would have made a real mess on the inside. The peephole on the West wall is huge on the inside of the room, because it was apparently hard to drill a small hole in the tile. On the other side of the West wall, the peephole is very small, as a peephole should be. The addition of a peephole on the outside of the East wall indicates to me that this hole was put there AFTER the peephole on the West wall was made. If this were a real gas chamber with chutes to put in the Zyklon-B pellets and the chutes were there when the Americans arrived, why was there a peephole on the West wall? (I think the peephole on the West wall was put in by the Americans the first time that they modified the shower room to make it into a gas chamber. Then they found out that Zyklon-B was in the form of pellets, not powder, and they had to modify the shower again.)

      Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2011 @ 6:25 am

  9. Well what an interesting coincidence that I happen to read more about Dachau on the anniversary. I’m in Japan right now so it was yesterday which is when I posted.

    As I commented earlier, what interested me was testimony that those chutes were built later. Mr. Stolpmann also commented elsewhere that “Brausebad” was stenciled in after. I don’t find this to be a small matter. This is evidence for a real conspiracy.

    As you can see the chutes are seen as evidence for homicidal gas chambers so it is a pertinent topic. David Cole had posed questions about those chutes as well because they seem to point inside to drains and therefore pellets would drop straight through them. But none of this would matter if it indeed was built later to intentionally deceive.

    Someone would have had to order those chutes to be constructed. Who and why? That is if they were really built later. Historians and skeptics would naturally inquire into the validity of such a claim. A short comment on a blog will not do unfortunately to establish the fact that these chutes were built later to deceive.

    For instance, does the Dachau museum know that those chutes were built later? They should be interested in interviewing Herbert Stolpmann who was there and has even uploaded a copy of his ID. He is part of the history of Dachau. His insights and experiences should be of interest to any historian.

    Comment by Kageki — March 22, 2011 @ 6:56 pm

    • The people on the staff of the Dachau museum probably know the truth about the chutes, but there are laws in Germany which would prevent them from telling the truth. They have to go along with what the members of the International Committee of Dachau want tourists to believe about the gas chamber and they have to go along with the official history of the Holocaust in order to avoid spending five years in prison.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 23, 2011 @ 5:49 am

  10. The question you raise is an important one and apart from inserting zykon B, I can not think of a function for these vents.

    A possibility that I would suggest is that at the Majdanek disinfection building, in the large room after the shower (sometimes called a gas chamber), there is a shed against the side which housed a hot air blower to dry prisoners after the shower.

    The shed at Dachau could have fulfilled the same function and this is perhaps consistent with this early description

    ““Wooden shed believed to contain a pump or compressor.”

    Comment by little grey rabbit — March 22, 2011 @ 6:55 pm


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