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March 27, 2011

My second response to Paolosilv’s Blog

Filed under: Buchenwald, Dachau, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 2:24 pm

Paolosilv’s Blog, which you can read here, is an attack on literally every word that I have ever written on my blog, including my comments in answer to the comments of readers.

His last update on August 23, 2010 included a long list of statements made by me, which Paolosilv thinks are grounds for accusing me of being a “Holocaust denier,” meaning a criminal who is far worse than an axe-murderer.

I have held off for months, hoping that his blog would eventually go away, but today I finally decided to answer his accusations.

Paolosilv’s attack on me reminds me of two episodes on the Seinfeld show, in which a young comedian, played by Kathy Griffin, had a whole comedy show that was nothing but an attack on fellow comedian Jerry Seinfeld.  Similarly, Paolosilv’s blog is nothing but an attack on my blog.

I don’t have much longer to live, and it would take me the rest of my life to answer every accusation by Paolosilv, so I have selected just two of his accusations to answer.  The first accusation, of Holocaust denial, on Paolosilv’s blog, is quoted below:

4. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/
” The Holocaust, with a capital H, was the state sponsored genocide of the Jews, which took place in what is now Poland, not at Dachau. “

This is of course false. It overlooks the deaths of over 100,000 persons, some of whom were Jews at Sachsenhausen-Oranienberg; at Mauthausen-Gusen camps; at Bernberg, Hadamar, Sonnenstein and other sites in which euthanasia was practiced. Even if he means, the Holocaust of the Jews did not take place within the German Reich , while the Holocaust of the Gentiles did, it is still a false statement. Jews were murdered demonstrably at these camps within the Reich borders of Sept 1 1939. Hence, it is falsehood.

My answer:  The Holocaust with a capital H refers to Jews only.  The 5 million others, who were killed by the Nazis, are not included in “The Holocaust.”

The euthanasia program was not part of “The Holocaust.”

The word “murder” is used for the deaths of all prisoners in all the Nazi concentration camps, even if the prisoner was executed or died from a disease.

Jews did, in fact, die in the camps in the Old Reich (1938 border of Germany before the Anschluss with Austria) but most of the 6 million Jewish deaths occurred in what is now Poland.  Calling my statement, that most of the deaths occurred in Poland and not in Dachau, “Holocaust denial” is really stretching the definition of “Holocaust denial” in my humble opinion.

Here is another quote from Paolosilv’s blog:

15. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/dont-tell-the-soldiers-who-saw-dachau-that-there-was-no-holocaust/#comments

“The prisoners on the train were given enough food to last them until they got to the Flossenburg camp, but when they got there, the Flossenburg camp had already been evacuated, so they had to continue on to Dachau, a distance of only 220 miles. However, the tracks had been destroyed by American planes and the train had to be re-routed through Czechoslovakia. The train took around three weeks to get to Dachau, so that’s why food and water became a problem. All of Europe was starving in the last days of the war and the towns along the way did not have much food to give the prisoners. You can read about the train at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachauscrapbook/DachauLiberation/DeathTrain2.html and about the trial of the leader of the train at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/HansMerbach.html

“These prisoners were evacuated from Buchenwald because they were considered dangerous to the civilians in the area. They were evacuated to delay their release as long as possible so that they would not attack German civilians. Prisoners were marched out of Dachau for the same reason.”

Comment by furtherglory — July 7, 2010 @ 6:10 am

He doesn’t mention why they were being held in the first place, often without a fair trial and a right to counsel. Some prisoners attacked civilians at Weimar, but is that really what concerned Hitler? By April 45, did Hitler really ‘care ‘ about civilians? Hitler was furious with Hitler (sic) for releasing some prisoners in a ‘prisoners for trucks ‘ deal with the Allies, and forbade any further release of prisoners.

My answer: There are three issues here:

1. the reason that prisoners were held at Buchenwald

2. the releasing of prisoners for ransom

3. the protection of German civilians.  I will respond to the first issue first:

1.  The Buchenwald camp, from which the prisoners on the “death train” were transported to Dachau, was THE main camp for Resistance fighters, who were fighting as illegal combatants. Buchenwald was not specifically a camp for Jews; it was mainly a camp for political prisoners.

Monument to the Resistance fighters who were prisoners at Buchenwald concentration camp

The photo above shows a large monument to the Resistance fighters at Buchenwald; there is no large monument to the Jews who were mainly brought to Buchenwald after they had been marched out of Auschwitz. The Resistance fighters did not have the protection of the Geneva Convention because they had violated the Geneva Convention themselves. The prisoners who had violated the Geneva Convention were not given a trial, nor the right to counsel in the camps, but some of the prisoners at Buchenwald did have a trial before being sent there.

In 1937, the Buchenwald camp was specifically set up for prisoners who had been convicted twice and had served two sentences in prison. They were sent to Buchenwald under a new law, which said that such prisoners had to undergo rehabilitation for at least six months in a concentration camp. Homosexuals who had been convicted twice under Paragraph 175 of the German law were sent to camps under this new law.  This means that many of the Buchenwald prisoners had already been given two trials.

2.  Hitler was furious with Himmler for releasing prisoners FOR RANSOM; he was not furious with himself, as Paolosilv mistakenly wrote.  I don’t know whether Hitler had expressly forbidden any more releases of prisoners for ransom, but there were other prisoners released for ransom after the “prisoners for trucks” deal which was actually “Jews for trucks” as only Jews were released for ransom in World War II.

A total of 2,896 Jews were released for ransom, according to information given at the Bergen-Belsen Memorial site. Bergen-Belsen was specifically set up as a camp for Jews who were available for exchange for German prisoners.

3.  The protection of civilians.  Hitler definitely feared attacks on civilians in April 1945, and that is why he ordered prisoners to be evacuated from the camps so that they would not be released by the Allies.  The whole Sachsenhausen camp, which was near Berlin, was evacuated except for around 3,000 sick prisoners.  The order to evacuate Sachsenhausen was given after prisoners from Buchenwald had gone to Weimar and attacked civilians.

Prisoners were marched out of Sachsenhausen camp

Prisoners were also marched out of Dachau so that they would not be able to attack civilians if they were released.  The prisoners who were marched out were Jews and Russian POWs, or in other words, the prisoners that were most likely to get revenge on the German people.

Russian POWs and Jews marching out of Dachau

There are several books about the attacks on German civilians after World War II ended; these books are too sickening to read, so I am not recommending them.

8 Comments

  1. “I went to the web site and read the article by Anthony Lawson.”

    I hope you watched Anthony Lawson’s video there, too! His trifling oversight about where Höss was actually tried and hanged is incidental to the fact that videos like Lawson’s are being made and circulated now. A Norwegian lawmaker is currently in the cross hairs of the guardians of the received history of the Holocaust for refusing to abjure his skepticism.
    http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=6440963&ct=9215389
    Have you read anything about psychological warfare and the Holocaust? If so, where do you recommend
    one begin to study it from this perspective?

    Comment by who+dares+wings — March 28, 2011 @ 8:20 am

    • The guy who made the website called “one third of the Holocaust” has done a lot of research on psychological warfare in World War II. I would recommend that you start with his web site which you can see at http://onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ He mentions a lot of books as his sources.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 28, 2011 @ 8:27 am

  2. I have just left a comment on one of your posts at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-diary-of-anne-frank/

    There is another comment there which leads to the website of holocaust denier. Just thought I’d let you know.

    Comment by tanja — March 28, 2011 @ 4:55 am

  3. I remember when Paolosilv was commenting here (under three different names for awhile)when you first started this blog. I made fun of him because of his total ignorance, but you were polite to him. As you are to everyone.

    Now he writes about “the deaths of over 100,000 persons, some of whom were Jews at Sachsenhausen-Oranienberg; …” Someone I know who was raised in the Eastern Occupation Zone of Germany after the war, where Sachsenhausen was located, says that 100,000 Germans were “killed”, “murdered”, or otherwise died in that camp post-war when it was run by the Communists [many of them Jews] and used as concentration camp for POW’s and civilians of German nationality.

    Someone like old Paolo just can’t stand to stop punishing Germans. That’s what people like him live for.

    Comment by Skeptic — March 27, 2011 @ 8:38 pm

    • When I visited the Sachsenhausen Memorial Site in 1999, the Museum was giving the number of deaths in the camp as 100,000 and calling the camp a “death camp” using the German word Todt, not the word Vernichtungslager which is used by Americans.

      The number of deaths at Sachsenhausen was around 30,000 according to the information given by the Simon Wiesenthal Center in L.A. I’m not sure, but I think that the USHMM also gives the number of deaths as 30,000 at Sachsenhausen.

      The Soviets set up Special Camp No. 7 for German prisoners at Sachsenhausen. The Museum claims that there were 60,000 Germans in the camp and 12,000 of them died. You can see a photo of the mass graves of the Germans on this page of my web site:

      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Sachsenhausen/MassGraves.html

      Comment by furtherglory — March 27, 2011 @ 9:05 pm

  4. Further Glory,
    “Paolosilv”, “Wahrheit”, “the rose of Oklahoma”, or whatever her moniker was, are all PAID agents of jewish bankers system. Their “holocaust” is a business (nothing personal, of course) and it brings money!
    They are not researchers or scholars by any definition, they are just shills who wanted to disturb the research and finding the truth by the people of honor and dignity.
    I am not even going to read the “paolosiv’s” garbage.
    They do not deserve your attention whatsoever. Your great blog would only benefit, if you ban all comments from those idiots. They are being paid to do this disturbance. They have no knowledge of the history. They are provocateurs.
    Just ban them from your website!

    Comment by Gasan — March 27, 2011 @ 8:37 pm

  5. “Jews did, in fact, die in the camps in the Old Reich (1938 border of Germany before the Anschluss with Austria) but most of the 6 million Jewish deaths occurred in what is now Poland. Calling my statement that most of the deaths occurred in Poland and not in Dachau “Holocaust denial” is really stretching the definition of “Holocaust denial” in my humble opinion.”

    Why employ a regrettable perpetuation of the six million figure to defend yourself from this person’s attacks? Thinking people are slowly coming around to realizing that this is an impossible meme.

    ANTHONY LAWSON: Holocaust, Hate Speech & Were the Germans so Stupid?
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/23/anthony-lawson-holocaust-hate-speech-were-the-germans-so-stupid/

    Comment by who+dares+wings — March 27, 2011 @ 7:42 pm

    • I went to the web site and read the article by Anthony Lawson. Lawson wrote that Rudolf Höss was tried at Nuremberg. This is a common mistake. At the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, Rudolf Höss was called as a defense witness by Kurt Kauffmann, the lawyer for Ernst Kaltenbrunner, on April 15, 1946. This “opened the door” for an affidavit signed by Höss to be entered into the proceedings of the Nuremberg IMT and gave the prosecution the opportunity to cross-examine Höss on the witness stand on April 15, 1946.

      Höss was turned over to the Supreme National Tribunal in Poland on May 25, 1946 and was put on trial in Poland in 1947. He was convicted and sentenced to be hanged. His execution took place at the main Auschwitz camp on April 16, 1947.

      You can read all about Höss on this page of my web site:

      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/RudolfHoess.html

      Comment by furtherglory — March 27, 2011 @ 8:47 pm


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