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July 11, 2011

Conviction of Bishop Williamson upheld on appeal

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 9:17 am

Today in Germany, the Regensburg appeals court upheld the 2010 conviction of Bishop Richard Williamson on a charge of inciting hatred, although his fine was lowered from €10,000 to €6,500 ($9,136) according to DAPD news agency.  

Bishop Williamson’s crime was that he stated in a interview with a Swedish journalist that no more than 300,000 Jews were killed in the Holocaust and there were no gas chambers.  Bishop Williamson cited Fred Leuchter as his source for believing that there were no gas chambers. (You can read the Leuchter report on the Dachau gas chamber here.)  Bishop Williamson did not cite a source for the figure of 300,000 but he probably got this number from a Red Cross report.

German courts are not required to prove the 6 million figure, nor the existence of gas chambers; the courts in Germany take judicial notice that these claims are obviously correct.  Criminals who deny the 6 million figure and the gas chambers are allowed to present, in court, all the evidence they want. They can talk until they are blue in the face, as Germar Rudolf did in his Holocaust denial  trial, but the decision of the court is not influenced by any amount of evidence.

The truth of the claim that 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust was established in a court of law when an affidavit by Wilhelm Höttl was presented at the Nuremberg IMT on Nov. 26, 1945.  In his affidavit, Höttl swore under oath that he had heard Adolf Eichmann, the wartime head of the Jewish Affairs section of the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA), say in August 1944 that four million Jews had been killed in the “various extermination camps,” and another two million had been killed in other ways, mostly in shootings by the Einsatzgruppen.  Höttl also worked in the Reich Security Main Office; his affidavit was hearsay, but hearsay was allowed by the rules of the IMT.   Eichmann was not present at the Nuremberg IMT and Höttl did not take the witness stand at Nuremberg, so the defense had no opportunity to cross examine him.

The existence of gas chambers was proved at the Nuremberg IMT by an American-made documentary film, which was shown in the courtroom on November 29, 1945. This film showed all the graphic details of the gas pipes and control wheels which regulated the flow of poison gas through the shower heads of the Dachau gas chamber. All of the shower heads have since been stolen by souvenir hunters and everyone can see that the shower heads were not connected to any pipes — neither water pipes nor gas pipes. At the Nuremberg IMT, the German war criminals on trial were visibly stunned by the proof of a gas chamber at Dachau; they all claimed that they were seeing and hearing about this unprecedented atrocity for the first time.

You can read more about Bishop Williamson’s conviction on defaming the dead and inciting racial hatred here.

6 Comments

  1. Why Höttl did not testify in person at Eichmann’s trial? He was just 47 years old at that time and died in 1999. Why he was not summoned to testify at the trial and confirm his affidavit of 1945?
    Here is part of his testimony, I have found on Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Hoettl

    “”(Eichmann) expressed his conviction that Germany had lost the war and that he personally had no further chance. He knew that he would be considered one of the main war criminals by the United Nations, since he had millions of Jewish lives on his conscience.”
    United Nations, huh? There were NO United Nations (it’s Charter was signed on June 26, 1945) at the time of this alleged conversation between Höttl and Eichmann in 1944. I didn’t need to read that any further. The torturers of Höttl made him to sign the affidavit on 11/25/1945, and have literally blurted out the words “United Nations”.
    Wilhelm Höttl, obviously, signed the affidavit under duress; the text was prepared for him. The whereabouts of Eichmann were unknown at that time, and Höttl must assume that Eichmann is either dead or won’t be found ever. There was a matter of a personal survival after all. And again: his testimony proves nothing.
    Remainder of the affidavit:
    I asked him how many that was, to which he answered that although the number was a great Reich secret, he would tell me since I, as a historian too, would be interested and that probably he would not return anyhow from his command in Romania. He had, shortly before that, made a report to Himmler, as the latter wanted to know the exact number of Jews who had been killed. Approximately 4 million Jews had been killed in the various concentration camps, while an additional 2 million met death in other ways, the major part of which were shot by operational squads of the Security Police during the campaign against Russia. Despite the fact that when we were having this conversation Eichmann was in a very bad state mentally, and drank a fair amount of alcohol in a short time, I did not have the impression that the figures Eichmann gave me were the result of something he had suddenly invented, but that he himself was, subjectively speaking, convinced that the figures were correct. In reply to a question as to whether in this context I heard Eichmann use the term ‘six million murdered Jews,’ I should like to state that this term ‘murdered’ was one which I used, while, as far as I remember, Eichmann used an expression such as ‘exterminated’ or ‘liquidated’ Jews. I have no way of knowing how Eichmann arrived at these figures of the number of Jews murdered, and he also gave me no indications whatsoever about this. I had never heard anything before that about the figures quoted by Eichmann, and there was also nothing along these lines which I could gather from the foreign broadcasts, which were available to me extensively in my official capacity. Later on as well, until the collapse of the Third Reich, I did not receive any information from any source about this, although this question was naturally of very great interest to me. At this time, I was trying very hard to obtain statistical material about the Jews; I found out that at the beginning of the War there had been about fifteen million Jews in the whole world. If six million Jews had been murdered, that would have meant a proportion of forty per cent. During these investigations of mine, it also struck me that the second-largest group of Jews, after those in Europe and Asia, lived in America, so that these would practically never have been within the grasp even of a victorious Germany.”
    This does speak for itself.
    “I have no way of knowing how Eichmann arrived at these figures of the number of Jews murdered, and he also gave me no indications whatsoever about this.”
    How can this statement even be admissible at any court of law?
    “I had never heard anything before that about the figures quoted by Eichmann, and there was also nothing along these lines which I could gather from the foreign broadcasts, which were available to me extensively in my official capacity.”
    No broadcasts either.
    “Later on as well, until the collapse of the Third Reich, I did not receive any information from any source about this, although this question was naturally of very great interest to me. At this time, I was trying very hard to obtain statistical material about the Jews; I found out that at the beginning of the War there had been about fifteen million Jews in the whole world. If six million Jews had been murdered, that would have meant a proportion of forty per cent. During these investigations of mine, it also struck me that the second-largest group of Jews, after those in Europe and Asia, lived in America, so that these would practically never have been within the grasp even of a victorious Germany.”
    Even under duress, Wilhelm Höttl had explained that the number of six million jews is impossible.
    I can’t imagine how this statement could even make to the Nuremberg Tribunals. Apparently the judges there were either dumb, or considered everyone else dumb enough to swallow this.
    Oh well, I know how all of these works.

    Comment by Gasan — July 12, 2011 @ 8:38 pm

  2. And Eichmann only went and denied giving Höttl the Kabbalistic 6,000,000 figure at his trial, and to Israeli interrogator Aver Less, although he says he may have given Höttl a figure:

    “If Hoettl is here using figures, I must comment that no one received such figures from me, because I myself had none. In this connection it is odd that everyone claims to have received figures from me – one person says it was five million, the other six million, and as far as his concentration camp was concerned, Hoess talks of two and a half million. I am supposed to have given this figure to Gluecks. But I did not know of these figures – Gluecks is the person who was first and foremost aware of them, not I. So how am I supposed to have provided Gluecks’ superior with the figures of Jews who were killed in the Auschwitz concentration camp?”
    Session 87
    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/eichmann-adolf/transcripts/Sessions/Session-087-06.html
    ____________

    LESS: I shall now read you a quotation from the 31st. volume of the Proceedings of the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg, the sworn statement of Dr. Wilhelm Ho”ttl… “At the end of August, I had a conversation, at my home in Budapest, with SS-Obersturmbannfu”hrer Adolf Eichmann … because he had millions of Jewish lives on his conscience. I asked him how many that might be, and he replied that the figure was a state secret but that he would tell me, since the matter was sure to be of interest to me as a historian. He told me that he had sent a report to Himmler only a short time before, since Himmler wished to know the exact number of Jews exterminated. In the various extermination camps, he told me, some four million Jews had been killed in different ways, for the most part shot by the action teams of the Security Police during the campaign against Russia. Himmler, he said, had been satisfied with the results, since in his opinion the number of Jews killed must have been over six million…”

    Eichmann: “Ho”ttl’s statements are a miscellaneous mishmash from God knows where…”

    (later)

    LESS: Did you tell Ho”ttl how many Jews had been exterminated?

    Eichmann: “My estimation? If he asked me, I may have given him an estimated figure–yes, I may have.”
    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/e/eichmann.adolf/eichmann.005

    Comment by Black Rabbit — July 11, 2011 @ 3:50 pm

  3. What’s really interesting, aside from the abjectness of the German justice system when it comes holocaust heresy, is the theological fallout from Bishop Williamson’s statement of disbelief. He was immediately relieved of his position as the head of a South American seminary and then publicly excoriated by the pope who declared holocaust “denial” a new Catholic sin. I’m not a Catholic so I can’t comment on precisely what segree of sin it is, but The Holy Father did tell his flock that skepticism about the received history of the holocaust wasn’t good for them. It would be interesting to find out if, after the pope’s announcement, priests around the world started hearing confessions from their congregations about holocaust doubt. Just imagine
    a devout Catholic agonizing over whether or not to confess to his/her priest about having an extramarital affair AND reading The Leuchter Report.

    BTW If anyone would like to help Bishop Williamson pay his off his fine by purchasing an Elie Wiesel Temporary Holo-Tat™ send a stamped SASE and $2.00 per piece to: The Society for a Five Minute Moratorium on Holocaust Hubub, 3221 Beacon Ave. S. Seattle, WA 98144. We will mail back a tattoo and forward your cash contribution on to Fr. Williamson in London. Be the first in your congregation to sport the notorious number A7713 on your forearm at Sunday Mass.

    Comment by who+ dares +wings — July 11, 2011 @ 11:04 am

    • “Holocaust Denial” is a full blown Mortal Sin, (ie “condemns a person to Hell after death.”)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_sin

      We can expect a Papal Bull advising that we’re in excommunication, we may not receive the Sacraments, and our corpses will be decapitated, with the head buried separately in unconsecrated ground.

      Comment by Black Rabbit — July 11, 2011 @ 3:31 pm

      • I used to be a Catholic so I know that Catholics have no fear of committing a mortal sin. Catholics have confession to save them. When a person goes to confession, he or she does not have to be sorry for committing the sin; it is only necessary to be sorry that you have been condemned to Hell. After your sin is absolved by the priest, all is forgiven and you are again in a state of grace which means that you can receive Holy Communion and you will not go to Hell. Bishop Williamson might be excommunicated again because of his Holocaust denial. He had been excommunicated once before, but he was taken back by the Church. I don’t think that ordinary people would be excommunicated because of Holocaust denial.

        Comment by furtherglory — July 11, 2011 @ 6:33 pm

    • I don’t think that READING the Leuchter Report is Holocaust denial. On my blog post, I linked to the illustrated Leuchter Report on my web site scrapbookpages. If I believed that it was a mortal sin to read the report, I would not have tempted my readers to commit a mortal sin. I put up the Leuchter Report so that True Believers can scoff at it and feel good about debunking the report. Note that I was careful to point out that Leuchter is not a real Engineer and his report has been discredited.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 11, 2011 @ 6:39 pm


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