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August 19, 2011

Holocaust gas chambers were designed by the Topf und Söhne company…Who knew?

Filed under: Buchenwald, Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 10:36 am

I’ve never been to Israel so I’ve never seen the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum there.  Today I learned from this website that there is a “scale model of a gas chamber” in the museum.

This quote is from the web site which mentions the scale model at Yad Vashem:

There we saw a scale model of a gas chamber, and we learned that a company called Topf und Söhne was hired to design and build four gas chambers and a crematorium. In case anyone in the future wanted to perpetrate another genocide, they patented the design. The facility was capable of murdering 4,756 people in 24 hours – they guaranteed it in writing.

Wow! Talk about German engineering!  The Topf und Söhne (Topf and son) company guaranteed an exact number of Jews that could be killed in 24 hours! And they patented their design! Now we know how the Germans were able to dispose of 400,000 Hungarian Jews in only 10 weeks at Auschwitz-Birkenau, as claimed by Holocaust historians.

But wait a minute! Topf und Söhne guaranteed in writing that 4,756 people could be MURDERED in 24 hours, but how long did it take to burn the bodies of 4,756 people?  How many bodies could fit on the elevator that brought the bodies up from the underground gas chambers in Krema II and Krema III to the ovens on the ground floor?  Where did they store the bodies while they were waiting to burn them?  Surely not outside the gas chamber buildings because that would have immediately tipped off the victims that they were not going into a shower room.  There was no corpse storage room in Krema II, nor in Krema III, because the only rooms in these crematoria were the gas chambers and undressing rooms.

Logo of Topf und Söhne on Dachau oven

The photo above shows the Topf logo on the one oven (with two retorts) in the Old Crematorium at Dachau. The logo is on the lower left hand side in the photo below.

Oven in the Old Crematorium at Dachau

The scale model of a gas chamber that is on display at Yad Vashem is probably the same model of one of the Auschwitz gas chambers that is on display at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC.

Scale model of Krema II gas chamber in US Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC

There is nothing left of the oven room and the gas chamber in Krema II at Birkenau except the ruins, which are shown in the photo below.

2005 photo of the ruins of Krema II at Birkenau

I took the photo above in 2005; it matches a black and white photo taken by the Soviet liberators of Birkenau in February 1945.  The part of the building where the ovens were located was above ground while the gas chamber and the undressing room were five feet below ground.

The photo below shows the blueprint of Krema II, one of two identical buildings at Birkenau.

Original blueprint for Krema II (Crematorium No. 2)

On the original blueprint, which is shown above, the undressing room is on the right. To the left of the undressing room is the above ground oven room with the ovens designated by 5 small squares. Each oven had 3 openings for bodies. The gas chamber is perpendicular to the undressing room. On the blueprint, the gas chamber is labeled L-keller which is an abbreviation for Leichenkeller, which means corpse cellar in English. The undressing room was also called a Leichenkeller on the blueprint.

I am assuming that the scale model of a gas chamber at Yad Vashem is a model of one of the four gas chambers at Auschwitz II, aka Birkenau, but it could be a model of the reconstructed gas chamber at Auschwitz I, the main camp, which is shown in my 2005 photo below.

Gas chamber in Auschwitz main camp

The oven room is right next to the gas chamber in the Auschwitz main camp.  When the Jews entered the building, after being told that they would be taking a shower, the first thing they saw was a cremation oven.  The photo below shows the view from the door where the Jews entered the building.

View of a cremation oven from the entrance into the gas chamber building at Auschwitz main camp

There are a couple of strange things that I noticed about the gas chamber at the main Auschwitz camp.  The victims entered a door which had a view of one of the ovens.  How did they prevent the victims from going berserk when they saw the oven? Of course the inner door might have been closed so that the prisoners couldn’t see a cremation oven right in front of them.  If this is a Topf and Sohne design, I say that it is not a very good design.  What about the heat of the ovens that were only separated from the gas chamber by a brick wall?  Would this have caused an explosion if Zyklon-B was used?  Apparently not, since the gas chamber in the main camp did not blow up and it was later converted into a bomb shelter by the Germans.  The Soviet liberators converted the bomb shelter back to a gas chamber, but for over 50 years, visitors were told that the gas chamber was original.

I did not see a Topf und Söhne logo on the ovens in the main Auschwitz camp.  These ovens were reconstructed by the Soviets from parts allegedly found somewhere in the camp.

So what happened to the engineers at the Topf und Söhne company?  Under the “common design” theory of guilt, used by the Allies against the German “war criminals,” the Topf engineers were guilty of the murder of millions of people who were burned in the facilities which they designed.

According to Wikipedia, Kurt Prüfer was the original designer for the “incinerators” that were used by the Nazis to burn the bodies at Buchenwald, Belzec, Dachau, Mauthausen, Gusen and Auschwitz.

This quote is from Wikipedia:

In fact, Kurt Prüfer, the original designer of the ovens stated during his interrogation by Russian officials: “I have known since spring 1943 that innocent human beings were being liquidated in Auschwitz gas chambers and that their corpses were subsequently incinerated…”[2] Furthermore, he goes on to note that he himself visited Auschwitz no less than five times, during the construction and operation of the incinerators, saying when asked “Five times. The first time [was] the beginning of 1943, to receive the orders of the SS Command, where the incinerators were to be built. The second time [was] in spring 1943 to inspect the building site. The third time was in autumn 1943 to inspect a fault in the construction of a chimney. The fourth time [was] at the beginning of 1944, to inspect the repaired chimney. The fifth time [was] September-October 1944 when I visited Auschwitz in connection with the intended relocation [from] Auschwitz’ of the retorts, since the battle front was getting nearer.

As for what happened to Kurt Prüfer after the war, this quote from Wikipedia tells us about his fate:

In the wake of the war, Kurt Prüfer was detained by the Americans for a few weeks before being released. At that time he was arrested by the Soviets, interrogated, and then sent to a Gulag where he would stay until his death in 1952. Ludwig Topf, the firm’s chief officer at the time of the war, committed suicide in 1945, leaving a suicide note full of excuses and claims of his own innocence. His brother, Ernst-Wolfgang fled to western Germany and was put on trial by the Americans. He managed to talk his way out of charges, maintaining that he did not know the intention for the incinerators; and placing all the blame on his brother Ludwig and Prüfer. He went on to found another incinerator company that survived until 1963 when it went bankrupt.

Original oven at the Mauthausen camp

There were two cremation ovens at Mauthausen, including one with two retorts (not shown here) that was installed only days before the camp was liberated. Strangely, the one oven shown in the photo above was able to handle the 100,000 or more bodies of prisoners claimed to have been killed at Mauthausen.

The Topf und Söhne “incinerators” were first used at Buchenwald to burn the bodies of prisoners who had died in a typhus epidemic in 1939.

The photo below shows the ovens at Buchenwald; in the background you can see the elevator which brought the bodies up from the morgue in the basement and in the center is the door into a very small room which has a toilet and a shower stall.

The oven room at Buchenwald

Topf und Söhne did not get a patent on the crematoria ovens that it had supplied to the Nazis until January 3, 1953, eight years after the end of World War II.  The patent (No. 861,731) was issued by the (West) German Patent Office to “J. A. Topf & Söhne, Wiesbaden.” The official patent document’s title is “Process and Apparatus for Incineration of Carcasses, Cadavers and Parts Thereof.”  Source: ELI M. ROSENBAUM  July 19, 1993 New York Times.

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      Comment by Robert — March 15, 2012 @ 11:03 am

      • Jews get sad when told only 200,000 Jews died all over the war from different causes. They want millions to feel good.

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        • I think you are misguided in your views. The events collectively known as the Holocaust took place as a historical fact. Only deniers make claims, based on their own ignorance, that 200,000 died. The accepted figure of ca. 6,000,000 has been checked and verified as a reasonable estimate by enough authorities in the field. The Holocaust by Bullets accounted for ca. 1,500,000 alone. If you are going to research the subject then use peer-reviewed sources of academic worth, not hate-filled anti-Semite websites and pamphlets. I am not Jewish, a lover of Jews or a supporter of the State of Israel and I have been researching this subject for many years in order to educate myself. Please don’t give in to prejudice as this will colour your opinion.

          Comment by zerosprite — December 14, 2013 @ 10:05 am

          • Are you referring to the book entitled “The Holocaust by Bullets”? Is there any other proof to support the claims made by the priest who wrote the book?

            You refer to the 6 million as “ca. 6,000,000,” meaning “approximately 6 million”. Why isn’t the exact number of deaths known? Is it because there are no records of these deaths? AFAIK, the “deniers” do not claim that 200,000 died in the Holocaust. If there was any proof of the 6 million, there would not be any “deniers.”

            Comment by furtherglory — December 14, 2013 @ 10:58 am

          • I made an extensive research, I am sorry, I was wrong. The figure of killed Jews in WW2 amounts to 845,840,039 no more no less.

            Comment by holyhoax — December 31, 2014 @ 8:33 pm

            • Considering the name combined with the imagery you use, I both doubt your sincerity and your ‘extensive research’

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  8. I VISITED DACHAU IN THE EARLY NINETIES ,WE FOLLOWED A LECTURE TOUR GROUP , THE GUIDE SHOWED US THE GAS CHAMBERS ,AND STATED HOW THE JEWS WERE GASSED ! BUT I INTERJECTED AND RETORTED THAT THERE IS A SIGN THAT CLEARLY STATES “NO GASSINGS TOOK PLACE IN DACHAU ” . THE GUIDE WAS NOT EVEN PHASED BY MY STATEMENT. HOW CAN THEY STATE THAT THEY ARE GAS CHAMBERS BUT THE NAZIS NEVER USED THEM ….I SAY BULLSHIT !!!! THEY WERE NEVER GAS CHAMBERS AND WERE “ONLY SHOWERS”
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    Comment by Robert Schmidt — August 19, 2011 @ 9:38 pm

    • The sign was removed in 2003 at the time that a new museum opened at Dachau. I first visited Dachau in 1997 and saw the old Museum which was very small but quite educational since it had a large section that told the history of Germany leading up to the Holocaust. Now the tour guides are mostly non-Germans who tell visitors that Dachau had a gas chamber that was used. If the gas chamber wasn’t used, why did they keep the waiting room, undressing room and gas chamber for two years? They kept everything in pristine condition so that the American liberators could find a real gas chamber and film it for the Nuremberg IMT. (In 1945 people were not as educated and sophisticated as they are now, so the Dachau gas chamber film was believed, and the story is still believed by some people today.)

      Comment by furtherglory — August 25, 2011 @ 8:39 am

    • The reason for the ‘discrepancy’ is simple. The gas chambers at Dachau were never utilised on the scale of the gas chambers the Nazis built on Polish soil. There is sufficient evidence that some gassings did take place however these were considered ‘experimental’ due to the relatively small number of victims.

      Comment by zerosprite — October 13, 2012 @ 11:30 am

      • What is your source for the “sufficient evidence that some gassing did take place” at Dachau?

        What is your source for “the relatively small number of victims”?

        What are the names of these victims?

        Where are the documents about the “experimental” gassing at Dachau? The building, where the alleged Dachau gas chamber was located, was not completed until 1943. By that time, the Jews had been transported to Auschwitz and other “death camps.” Why did they need to “experiment” with gassing at this late date?

        Why did the Nazis build the gas chambers “on Polish soil,” when there were plenty of camps in Germany where the gassing could have been done?

        I have done a lot of research on the Dachau gas chamber. You can read about it on my website, starting at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history01.html

        Comment by furtherglory — December 14, 2013 @ 11:09 am

        • I use many academic ‘sources’ in order to validate information.
          See previous answer.
          Now you expect that we can name victims, I am interested in seeing where you are going with this.
          Documentation to validate statements – now there is a new one being thrown in to support deniers.
          What the question you should be asking is, WHEN did the Nazis start to build the gas chambers on
          German soil? The understanding is part of the reason that the OPERATIONAL gas chambers were predominantly built outside Germany.
          I have already visited the blog, it contains nothing concrete to support your denial theories.

          Comment by zerosprite — April 7, 2014 @ 5:34 am

          • The Sachsenhausen gas chamber was built in 1943. The Ravensbrück gas chamber was built late in the war; I blogged about this at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/gas-chamber-at-ravensbruck-womens-camp/

            The Dachau gas chamber was put into operation in 1943. Buchenwald did not have a gas chamber, although a few survivors, including Elie Wiesel, mentioned a gas chamber at Buchenwald.

            These were the main camps in Germany. You asked “WHEN did the Nazis start to build gas chambers on German soil?” They STARTED building them in 1942, during the time that they were sending the Jews out of Germany.

            Comment by furtherglory — April 7, 2014 @ 6:52 am

            • Wrong, the first gas chambers were functioning in 1941 at Hadamar in the German State of Hesse, where they murdered over 10,000 men, women and children deemed ‘untermensch’ as part of the T4 eugenics programme between January and August of that year. Or are you also claiming that this is another part of the ‘Holocaust myth’?

              Comment by zerop — October 24, 2014 @ 4:03 pm

              • I am not claiming that people were not killed at Hadamar. I wrote about this on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/Introduction.html

                In today’s world, “untermenschen” are put to death in the womb by a process called “abortion.” Back then, doctors were unable to determine whether a child was normal until after it was born.

                Deformed children were also put to death at Hartheim Castle; I wrote about this on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/gaschamber01a.html

                Putting to death mentally and physically defective children is not “murder,” just as abortion is not murder. The “eugenics programme” was not part of the “Holocaust.”

                People who have millions of dollars to spend can put their children in an institution for the rest of their life, e.g. the Kennedys who put their daughter Rosemary into a home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy

                The Nazis saved around a trillion dollars, in today’s money, by killing defective children who could not function.

                P.S. Your comment is in the category of “trying to teach your grandmother how to milk ducks.” http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-tea1.htm

                Comment by furtherglory — October 25, 2014 @ 7:17 am

                • You did not write about Hadamar, you simply cut and pasted a page that you described as a quote from the USHMM site.

                  Putting to death children, regardless of disabilities is still regarded as murder. Abortion is not the issue here, murder by government decree is. Doctors have a duty of care and, although the Hippocratic oath was not used in Germany during the Third Reich (and before), they were not exclusive in this. The fact remains that doctors knew the ethic “nil nocere” – do no harm and therefore they were in violation of medical ethics to starve, inject or gas to death patients in their care. If the T4 “eugenics programme” was not part of the “Holocaust” then why is it in the USHMM? Furthermore, why is it mentioned in many other museums, books and research papers as part of the “Holocaust”? (e.g. Baumslag, Naomi (2005). Murderous Medicine: Nazi Doctors, Human Experimentation, and Typhus. Praeger Publishers)

                  Your use of Rosemary Kennedy as an example of wealth bestowing the ability to randomly institutionalise a child is an example of poor research. Rosemary Kennedy was 23 and already of reduced mental capacity (IQ of 60 to 70) before the botched lobotomy that made her worse, it was after this event that she was institutionalised.

                  P,S, You are not an expert in the field of Holocaust research, you are just a sad little denier who thinks that writing a blog confers automatic scientific and historical relevance to his treatise, in fact your puerile attempt to belittle my exposing the truth in your web of deceit reflects more on you and your mind-set. If you want to take the gloves off, as Baden-Powell said “Be Prepared”,

                  Comment by zerosprite — October 31, 2014 @ 5:58 pm

                • I write about places that I have visited. I have not written about Hadamar because I have not visited this place; I don’t even know if it still exists. I have visited Hartheim castle, and I wrote about it in one section of my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/index.html

                  You can read about what I saw and read in the exhibits at Hartheim Castle in this section of my Hartheim web pages: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/exhibits01.html

                  According to what I learned at the Hartheim Memorial Site, mentally and physically deformed children were being put to death in America BEFORE this was done in Germany.

                  I am not familiar with Baden-Powell, so I had to look it up. I found this explanation on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-Powell_Scouts%27_Association

                  Comment by furtherglory — November 1, 2014 @ 8:26 am

    • Well said, comrade

      Comment by holyhoax — November 9, 2013 @ 2:38 am


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