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August 23, 2011

the mystery of the small opening on the outside wall of the Dachau gas chamber — Updated

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , , , — furtherglory @ 10:34 am

Update, April 6, 2015:

You can read a recent news story about Henry Mazel, who had one of the first websites about the Holocaust. Mazel’s website, which is no longer in existence, was mainly about the Dachau concentration camp, but specifically about the Dachau gas chamber.

This quote is from the news article:

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BOULDER, Colo. (JTA) — The yellowing document is crumbling and fading, but the smooth signature on its cover is as legible as it is chilling: Rudolf Hess, the Nazi who served as a Hitler deputy from 1933 to 1941.

The signature, which adorns a 70-year-old leniency plea for top Nazi Hermann Goering during the postwar Nuremberg trials, is one of some 500,000 discrete items and 20,000 books donated last year to the University of Colorado at Boulder — nearly the entirety of one of the world’s largest privately owned Holocaust collections. The unusual trove includes aerial surveillance photos of the Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp, decaying copies of the Nazi newspaper Der Sturmer, Nuremberg trial transcripts, and a trove of pro-Nazi and Holocaust denial literature.

“We don’t even know what we have,” said David Shneer, director of the Jewish Studies program at University of Colorado at Boulder and the person responsible for bringing the archive to the university. “We have teams of students inventorying it. We hope to get through everything by the fall.”

The unlikely story of how the archive, known as the Mazal Holocaust Collection, ended up in Boulder is a tale of Holocaust denial, a hidden Jewish past and the shady market for Holocaust artifacts.

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Continue reading my original blog post:

Hole on outside wall of gas chamber at Dachau concentration camp

The photo above shows a boarded-up hole in the outside wall of the Baracke X building at the former Dachau concentration camp. There is no corresponding hole on the inside of the building; the room behind this wall was allegedly a homicidal gas chamber.  I always assumed that this was a botched construction of a peep hole.  Until now…

When I read in the news today about the death of Harry W. Mazal, I decided to take another look at his famous holocaust-history.org website.  The purpose of Mazal’s website, according to his daughter, is to combat Holocaust denial.  I had read the section on the Dachau gas chamber years ago when I first became interested in the Holocaust.  In reading this section again, I was particularly interested in his description of how a homicidal gassing was carried out at Dachau.

Two bins on outside wall of Dachau gas chamber

Quote from the gas chamber section on the holocaust-history.org website here:

The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask, open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one. Having done this, the operator would close the bins, which are protected from interference from the victims by a protective grating, <photo 40> <photo 41> and wait a few minutes until all the victims were dead. At this point, the powerful mechanical extractor could be energized sending the poisonous fumes into the atmosphere, drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above the bins. The bodies could then be moved into the mortuary chamber to await incineration in the adjoining crematory furnaces.

I have put the most important part in bold face type to draw attention to it.  Now it all makes sense.  The hole in the wall was put there for the purpose of bringing fresh air into the room to air it out after the use of Zyklon-B to gas the prisoners.

Here is another quote from holocaust-history.org:

A larger room adjacent to the four disinfestation chambers is also a gas chamber but this one was designed specifically for homicidal purposes. Any doubts that this chamber is a gas chamber are rapidly dispelled upon viewing the exhaust vents on the ceiling of the room <photo 31>, the exhaust chimney on the roof <photo 32>, and the metal doors that are in use by the the disinfestation gas chambers <photo 33>.

Vent pipe on roof directly over the gas chamber

The photo above shows two “exhaust chimneys” on the roof of the Baracke X building, one of which is directly over the gas chamber. The photo below shows the roof of the building in 1945 just after the camp was liberated. Note that the larger pipe on the right is the same kind of pipe that is shown in the color photo, above the gas chamber.  I don’t know of any photo, taken before the liberation of Dachau, that shows a vent pipe directly over the alleged gas chamber. The photo below was taken several days after the camp was liberated.  In fact, there are no old photos of the gas chamber building that I have ever seen.

Dachau prisoners haul dead bodies out of the camp   Photo credit: Donald E. Jackson, 40th Combat Engineer Regiment

Look closely at the photo above: Is that the air intake hole on the far right of the photo?

The infamous Holocaust denier Fred Leuchter visited the Dachau Memorial site years ago and wrote the following in his report:

An examination of the alleged gas chamber clearly shows, however, that this facility was constructed as a shower room, used only for this purpose. The modifications to the room which include the addition of the ceiling, pseudo shower heads, air intake and gas inlet ports were made at a time much later than the original construction of “Baracke X” and the shower room, and for reasons and by persons unknown to this author.

Outside wall of the Dachau gas chamber

Note that Leuchter concluded that the air intake and gas inlet ports, shown in the photo above, were constructed sometime later. Leuchter wrote that the holes in the wall of the Baracke X building were added at a later time, after the building was constructed in 1943.  But what does he know?  He doesn’t have a degree in engineering and has been thoroughly discredited as a gas chamber expert.

This is another quote from the Leuchter report:

Without an exhaust system or windows, it would require at least one week to vent by convection. This estimate is based on American gas chambers requiring twenty (20) minutes to vent with two complete air changes per minute, and a minimum of forty-eight (48) hours to vent a fumigated building with an abundance of windows.

So Fred Leuchter thinks that the vent on the roof was NOT enough to air out the Dachau gas chamber. And he thinks that the vent was added later.

Here is another interesting quote from the holocaust-history.org web site:

The question arises of the difference between the method of dispensing of Zyklon-B to the disinfestation chambers and to the extermination chamber. Quite simply: the exposure time and concentration of hydrogen cyanide gas for killing insects is considerably higher than that which is needed to kill humans. According to the manufacturers of the product, it only requires 0.3 grams per cubic meter to kill human beings, whereas concentrations of up to 10 grams per cubic meter were routinely employed to destroy insects. 22 The relative ease with which it is possible to kill humans with low concentrations of hydrogen cyanide makes it simpler and less expensive to use the drawer-like bins in the homicidal chamber rather than to use the costly Degesch dispensers. Additionally, the bins would allow for other volatile poisons to be employed as suggested by Rascher in his letter to Himmler.

Did the manufacturer of Zyklon-B actually say how much of their “product” was needed to kill human beings?  Did they know that their “product” was being used in homicidal gas chambers?

The Degesch dispenser referred to above is shown in the photo below.  This photo was taken in one of the four gas chambers at Dachau that were used to kill lice in the clothing of the prisoners. Note that the walls of the disinfection chamber have been painted over so that the stains left by the use of Zyklon-B can no longer be seen.

Degesch dispenser in Dachau disinfection gas chamber

I learned from the Mazal website that Degesch machines were originally proposed for the Auschwitz camp, but the decision was made not to use them.

Shown below is a close-up of the hole which the Mazal web site says was for air intake into the gas chamber for the purpose of airing it out. Today, tour guides at Dachau completely ignore this boarded-up hole and do not explain its purpose.

“air intake” hole in outside wall of Dachau gas chamber

Tour guides at Dachau tell visitors that the gas chamber was used.  For example, this quote from a blog post written by a recent visitor:

Dachau Camp, as were all of the camps, was a hell on earth. The prisoners first lost their identity after coming through the gate, being tattooed with a number on their arm. They then had to sign over all their worldly goods to the Nazis. Their families were often held in other parts of the camp, so they didn’t dare disobey.
Dachau had it all. Medical experiments, torture, beatings, gas chambers, mass executions etc. In the inner part of the camp were the gas chambers which no one came out of alive. Even the prisoners who herded their fellow inmates into the “showers” were themselves changed over every few weeks and sent to the “showers” to prevent word leaking out as to what was happening in the inner compound.

Note that this quote mentions that “The prisoners first lost their identity after coming through the gate, being TATTOOED with a number on their arm.”

The only camp where prisoners were tattooed was Auschwitz.  After the Auschwitz camp was abandoned, some of the prisoners, who had been tattooed, were taken to Dachau.

36 Comments »

  1. You are interpreting what you’ve written incorrectly FG. BRoI and I have extensively looked into this Dachau gas chamber and have a very interesting discussion on it at RODOH at:

    https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2064

    You should read Carlo Mattogno’s recent analysis of it at:

    http://olodogma.com/wordpress/2015/03/14/0996-carlo-mattogno-e-la-camera-a-gas-di-dachau-nuove-prospettive/&usg=ALkJrhjlmnl6Fdm-KNZhASXP7E8luRyEeA

    To correct your mistakes in this article:

    “drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above the bins” is referring to the previous clause “sending the poisonous fumes into the atmosphere[sic]” (atmosphere in the room of course, not airing out as you conclude – although it could be used for that as well I suppose). There are 2 vents in the ceiling you know.

    The next Mazal quote you make is referring to the room next to the disinfestation chambers, not the alleged “gas chamber” as you thought. Here is the vents and chimney he is referring to which were removed from Baracke X in, we think, 1958:

    You should read through the RODOH discussion and the Mattagno article above. All of your Leuchter quotes in this article have been refuted. The ceiling was at its current height when the Americans arrived, the hole was in the side of the building, and there was an exhaust system in the attic above this room.

    Comment by blake121666 — April 7, 2015 @ 4:16 am

    • I have an old photo on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/aftermath.html which shows the roof of the Baracke X building with a chimney and vent pipes still there in May 1945.

      I have another photo of Baracke X, taken on May 1, 1945 before the bodies were piled up, on one of my previous blog posts at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/pile-of-bodies-at-dachau/.

      The bodies were piled up AFTER the American liberators arrived. These were the bodies of prisoners who had died of typhus.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 7, 2015 @ 8:05 am

    • FG quotes Leuchter above:An examination of the alleged gas chamber clearly shows, however, that this facility was constructed as a shower room, used only for this purpose.

      And you say: All of your Leuchter quotes in this article have been refuted.

      So are you saying this room was used as a gas chamber?

      You also say: …the hole was in the side of the building,…

      Yet FG says the hole does not (currently) go completely through to the inside (see below): The former Henry Mazel website insinuated that there was a corresponding hole on the inside of the gas chamber, but this corresponding hole did not exist. Is there a currently corresponding hole on the inside? If not, was there one before? If so, why was it sealed off, and when?

      Also, an “exhaust system” is not at all incompatible with a shower room — eg to help prevent mold/mildew.

      Comment by eah — April 7, 2015 @ 8:43 am

      • On my website, I have a page on which I have quoted the entire Leuchter report on the Dachau gas chamber.
        http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/LeuchterReport.html

        I have put links to photos, which I took, that illustrate the terms that Leuchter used in his report.

        You are correct that a shower room needs an exhaust system to prevent mold and mildew. I have an exhaust system in my bathroom, which contains a shower.

        Comment by furtherglory — April 7, 2015 @ 10:03 am

      • There is no good evidence that the room was ever a shower room. No non-Revisionist has ever claimed that it was. The room had a very peculiar setup to it when the Americans arrived. Whether it was a gas chamber is of course still debatable. The “corresponding hole on the inside” could be one or both of the ceiling vents. I doubt Mazal has this speculation correct though. I don’t know what that center hole is; but it was there when the Americans arrived. The Mattogno article I linked is very good. You should check it out to get a better feel for what we’re talking about here.

        Comment by blake121666 — April 7, 2015 @ 10:48 am

        • I should add, of course, that the Americans threw around a ton of propaganda lies about Dachau though. For instance, they claimed people were killed in the delousing chambers. My statement above about no one claimed the room to be a shower room does not of course mean that it wasn’t. The room appears to have been some strange experimental room. The ceiling was at its current height and that strange hole was there when the Americans found it. It’s not certain to me whether the bins/chutes were there though.

          Comment by blake121666 — April 7, 2015 @ 10:54 am

        • I should have phrased this differently. There’s no good evidence that the room was a shower room when the Americans found it. I actually suspect that it was initially a shower room – so I obviously mispoke above.

          Comment by blake121666 — April 7, 2015 @ 11:47 am

          • I have photos and a description of the Dachau waiting room and gas chamber on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history02.html

            I have three pages on my website about the interior of the gas chamber, starting with this page: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/UndressingRoom.html

            I think that there was plenty of evidence that the gas chamber was actually a shower room when the Americans found it. The shower room was modified to make it into a gas chamber, but it is still obvious that it had once been a shower room.

            Comment by furtherglory — April 7, 2015 @ 12:05 pm

            • Here’s the 1942 construction drawings showing the alleged gas chamber:

              http://olodogma.com/wordpress/2015/03/14/0996-carlo-mattogno-e-la-camera-a-gas-di-dachau-nuove-prospettive/dachau-3-2/

              It calls for that room to have a 2 meter high ceiling. Who would make a shower room with a 2 meter high ceiling? At this height one would have to assume recessed shower heads – like the dummy shower heads we’re shown. Do you think they planned for recessed shower heads? Do you know of any circa 1942 showers with recessed shower heads? Do you think the construction drawings are legit?

              The height of the ceiling right now is actually 2.15 meters according to Mattogno btw.

              Comment by blake121666 — April 7, 2015 @ 2:04 pm

            • It’s demonstrable this posting has taken on a life of its own. It’s been turned into the proverbial “monster”. I’m not far from the “leading authority ” on this subject,so my confusion here is so obvious Stevie Wonder could see it. In this topic it seems some say ,” it was”,and others say ‘lit wasn’t a gassing facility”. So for shits and grins I figured I’d explore on my own. Big mistake for me. Only led to more obfuscation. My first stop led me to that “wiki” encyclopedia. It said nothing about it being an extermination camp. They said it was basically people who were against the system. Bottom line people still died there. Starvation,abuse or worked to death. They said it was opened in ’33 or ’35. My next stop was the website for the camp memorial. What the hell is a “catholic counseling office”. It was on the map of the camp layout. Does this place mess with Catholics heads big time or something? I’m being serious here. What purpose does the office serve for Catholics? My next stop is a site named”nizkor “. This person made the comment that the nazi hunting Jew Wiesenthal even said dachau “was not ” an extermination camp. This person was willing to split hairs here. He said in the sense that people were murdered there,makes it along the same lines as a full blown extermination camp. This person leads to more confusion. One part person says,” gas chamber did exist”. They used a letter from some kraut Dr. to himmler to prove this. A little further down the line,it’s mentioned an American reporter was there when our boys took the camp. Said the reporter filmed a sign that said ,” showers”. The person turns around and says,” there were no showers there”. Another part in there states,” the mass media falsely claimed it was a gas camp”. Okay. Where the hell did they get that from? This person is blaming the media. The only place they could’ve gotten the info from was thevU S Army. They ran our boys through there saying it was an extermination camp. I’m saying the army did that for personal gain. The great saviors. They rescued people who would’ve other wise been gassed. That’s why I read this site. The big dogs just want to look good. Can’t take much of what they say to be gospel. So if anyone knows who this nizkor is,I’m all ears

              Comment by Tim — April 8, 2015 @ 11:52 am

              • The Nizkor Project was well known around the year 1997 when I first visited Dachau and started doing research on the camp. I was not aware that Nizkor is still in existence. I think that most of the old timers are now dead.

                Back in the days of the news groups, the Nizkor people argued with, and insulted, the Holocaust deniers. I participated in writing on the news groups, so I am very familiar with the tactics of the Nizkor members, who are mostly dead now.

                Google got it’s start by purchasing the archives of the news groups, which were maintained by a company called DejaView. I managed to delete my posts to the news groups before Google made this purchase. The Nizkor members were particularly noted for being hateful and insulting in their writing.

                Comment by furtherglory — April 8, 2015 @ 12:51 pm

                • Thank you. This group seemed to have an axe to grind with the ones who deny. After the war,how did people find out. The media. They were wagging their fingers at the media and U S military,but they seemed to be more in line with dogging the folks who denied it ever happened. The media should’ve been pushed to give out correct information,instead of a bunch of BS.

                  Comment by Tim — April 9, 2015 @ 12:40 am

                • How come nobody has ever made a big stink about the war crimes of the Niponese ? They murdered plenty of civilians. Remember the ” Rape of Nan King?” Im not trying to sound cold here,but it sounds like the Jews wanna hog the spot light. At any rate I read the piece on the priests. If all the evidence they used when it came to gassing the Jews was confusing as what was known about the priests and they’re treatmemt,I fail to see how they got any convictions at all. The guards had the priests “chug wine”. Okay back in my younger days,we’d take shots and chug a beer chaser. What’s so bad about tipping a bottle of wine? I’m surprised the guards didn’t keep the hooch for themselves. Okay this guy Sommer who ran the show at Dachau ,f**ked up on a grand scale. Was put on trial. Sentenced by an SS judge and sent to the eastern front. The new head honcho comes in and says ,” that torture is abolished here”. You’ve got priests saying they were,kicked up the arse and shoed in the nuts everytime they turned around. I see this one priest wrote a book that says different. Maid service. They slept in late,etc. sounds to me like they were at the “AtlantisResort ” in the Bahamas. It went on to say religious views were not why they were locked down,but rather they spoke out against the Reich. What about the pedophile priest? All they did was give him their version of the “scarlet letter”. You gonna tell me that some of the guards didn’t try to make the life of this priest a living hell? I see a boatload of other things happened there too. I’ve always said,” I’m not sure what extent the holocaust actually went to.” So much conflicting information. I thought I had it all figured out. Hey. Better part of the douchebags at Nuremberg,had it coming to them. What they got was fair.
                  What about Pieper? He gave his men an order at Malmedy to kill the POWs. Pieper was the CO and said he would take the heat for the whole incident. Just leave his men out. Like our boys didn’t do that. I saw a movie one time and a character in the movie made a comment about arresting a person for murder in a war. He said,” charging a man with murder over here,is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500.” Another thing. How come when we put the Niponrse on trial,they didn’t get the exposure that the Krauts did? They murdered innocent folks at Nan King. They murdered innocent men,women and children there. They weren’t gassed,but murder is murder. It makes me think Nuremberg was only about “quotas”. Get the conviction any way you can.

                  Comment by Tim — April 9, 2015 @ 5:28 am

              • Among others, a number of Catholic priests were sent to Dachau.

                Comment by blake121666 — April 8, 2015 @ 1:08 pm

        • Is there “good evidence” it was a “gas chamber”? Has a forensic study ever been done? — eg to look for traces of cyanide? That would be a start. The problem is, “debatable” means exterminationists will claim it was a gas chamber — they do not seem to feel the burden of proof.

          And if it cannot be conclusively shown the building is in its original condition, then why does it matter that it seems to have a “very peculiar setup”?

          I will read the article.

          Comment by eah — April 7, 2015 @ 1:10 pm

    • There is one other question I have please. What the hell does the ceiling height in the shower stall have to do with the price of tea in China ? I figure the only 2 people that would have to be concerned with it would be, person who designed it and the contractor. Thank you

      Comment by Tim — April 9, 2015 @ 5:37 am

  2. I did not notice this hole when we visited. Interesting…

    Comment by Chalen Tretiakova — April 6, 2015 @ 11:20 pm

  3. You made a comment about how long it took to vent the gas chambers after each group was hauled away. When you start to deal with things of that nature,you’re dealing with ,”parts per million.” You’re not gonna be able to use “a ballpark estimate” on something like this. You don’t want your people going in there for whatever reason,unless it’s been fully vented.. So like you said,was there a company rep working with the camp staff members on this? If so,why weren’t they hauled into court? Hess found out about the poison from some of his people that were lower on the proverbial “corporate ladder”. They said ,” in August of ’41 they used it on some Russian POWs.” Okay shouldn’t they’ve hauled those Krauts into court? This chemical compound had a “big brother”. He was the “a” chemical compound. That was used in WW1. Germany banned that one after the war. The chemical company sent 23 million tons of this stuff to Auschwitz. 6 million tons was used for fumigation. This stuff was tagged as a pesticide. Degesch ( company that owned it at the time) didn’t see a red flag go up? They were selling to the nazis,so nazis ain’t gonna give 2 shits one way or another. I’m talking about when the trials started. Prosecutors couldn’t tote these people into court and hurl that question at the chemical companies . Ask them why they didn’t question all the chemicals going to one place ( we know why. They were helping Krauts at the camps). They could’ve used that question to show the top dogs at that company didn’t question the amount of the chemical going to one place,so they set themselves up as a part of the crime. The company stated it would take 70 msg of the chemical to kill a 150 lbs person. The would die in 2 mins or less.
    How many Jews actually weighed 150? Another question. If this chemical is a pesticide,why were they taking about a person dying? Once again instead of clarity,obfuscation is more the order of the day

    Comment by Tim — April 6, 2015 @ 1:41 pm

    • On this page of my website, I show reconstructed holes in the roof of the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/Exterior02.html

      On that same website page, I show a photo of a Degesh machine for delousing clothes. If Zyklon-B had been used in the gas chamber at Auschwitz to kill Jews, the Degesh company would have been asked to supply their product for the gassing. If the company had been asked to supply their product (Zyklon-B) for Auschwitz, they would have advised the Nazis that Zyklon-B should not be allowed to fall on the floor and get mixed with all the body fluids, from the dying prisoners.

      I think that the Degesh company would have advised the Nazis to just shoot the Jews. Zyklon-B is a dangerous chemical, so that is why the Degesh company devised a machine for its use.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 6, 2015 @ 2:23 pm

  4. Without any contemplation of their product being USED to kill human beings, DEGESCH might still have established and disseminated the concentration (0.3gm/cubic meter) of the gas that WOULD be hazardous or lethal to human beings either working with or located near where it was being used (for disinfestation purposes).

    Though I don’t know whether my supposition is correct, it should be pretty easy for a determined investigator to ascertain.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — April 6, 2015 @ 12:43 pm

    • I think that you are correct that the Degesh company would have provided information on how much of their product was lethal.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 6, 2015 @ 2:26 pm

  5. I too have been to dachau as a tourist in about 1998 and went through what was claimed as a gas chamber. I found it unconvincing. However the above revised post does raise some questions, most notably what was the grey cement vertical section for? I accept what you say about the fakeness of the wooden plate but don’t understand what was there first that required cementing up. To me it looks like a chimney pipe section or similar.

    Comment by Clent — April 6, 2015 @ 12:10 pm

    • I think that the “grey cement section” was a hole made by the American liberators of Dachau. When the Americans arrived, they were taken to see the “gas chamber” which was actually a shower room. They proceeded to turn the shower room into a gas chamber, but they had a problem with a hole that they tried to put into the wall. They covered this botched hole with a piece of wood.

      Remember the description of the gas chamber that was written by the Congressmen who saw the chamber before changes were made by the Americans. The Congressmen described the gas chamber as having a TEN FOOT CEILING. After the Americans made some changes in the shower room, the ceiling was only 7 and 12 feet high.

      The Congressmen described the shower heads as “hanging from the ceiling.” After the American made some changes, the shower heads were just stuck into the ceiling with no pipes.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 6, 2015 @ 12:26 pm

  6. The hole in the wall was put there for the purpose of bringing fresh air into the room to air it out after the use of Zyklon-B to gas the prisoners.

    OK. But…

    There is no corresponding hole on the inside of the building;…

    Then how could it be used to ventilate the “gas chamber”?

    Comment by eah — April 6, 2015 @ 11:58 am

    • This quote about the “hole in the wall” is from the Mazel website, which is no longer in existence.

      “The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask, open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one. Having done this, the operator would close the bins, which are protected from interference from the victims by a protective grating, and wait a few minutes until all the victims were dead. At this point, the powerful mechanical extractor could be energized sending the poisonous fumes into the atmosphere, drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above the bins. The bodies could then be moved into the mortuary chamber to await incineration in the adjoining crematory furnaces.”

      The former Henry Mazel website insinuated that there was a corresponding hole on the inside of the gas chamber, but this corresponding hole did not exist.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 6, 2015 @ 12:08 pm

      • The former Henry Mazel website insinuated that there was a corresponding hole on the inside of the gas chamber, but this corresponding hole did not exist.

        OK. Just an honest mistake, I’m sure.

        From the news story you quote: “We have teams of students inventorying it. We hope to get through everything by the fall.” Perhaps in order to properly collate the items in this collection, they will invent two categories: ‘Utter Nonsense’, and ‘Big Fat Lies’. Clearly for some of this stuff it will be a challenge to decide which of these two categories is most appropriate.

        Comment by eah — April 6, 2015 @ 12:47 pm

  7. I heard a commentator on a radio show say that there were 32,000 inmates in Dachau at the time of liberation. Of these only 1,200 were Jews. Was the percentage of Jews to Gentiles throughout the German camp system commensurate with the 2% population statistic that never seems to vary (from year to year or country to country) , or did some camps have more Jewish prisoners than Gentiles?

    “When Dachau was liberated, the head of the International Committee, who was a British SOE agent, met the liberators at the Arbeit Macht Frei gate and led them to the gas chamber.”

    What is the “International Committee” and the “SOE”? How could the British be there to meet the Americans if it was the Americans who liberated the camp?!

    The day I visited Dachau there were no tours. However, I learned at the records office, where I was researching the Allach porcelain
    factory which had used inmate labor, that a private tour for Native Americans was scheduled that day. I asked the tour guide if I could tag along. He said, “No, because you’re not a Native American.” This made me think they should rename the memorials in Poland the “Affirmative Aktion Reinhardt” camps.

    Comment by who+dares+wings — August 24, 2011 @ 8:27 am

    • The last Dachau roll call showed that there were 67,649 prisoners in the main camp and all of the Dachau sub-camps on April 26, 1945 and that 22,100 of them were Jewish, while 43,401 were Catholic. Most of the Jews were in the sub-camps. There were around 123 sub-camps of Dachau; there were eleven sub-camps called Kaufering and numbered one through eleven. In the last days before the camp was liberated, the prisoners in the Kaufering camps were evacuated to the main camp except for the prisoners who were too sick to travel.

      According to the Americans who liberated Dachau, there were 2,539 Jews in the main camp on the day that it was liberated. Most of them had arrived from the sub-amps only two to four weeks before the Americans arrived. Other Jews in the camp when it was liberated had arrived in the summer of 1944 when the ghettos in Lithuania were closed. Starting in 1942, most of the Jews were sent to camps in the East and there were very few Jews in the camps in Germany and Austria.

      The International Committee was made up of Communist prisoners from all the countries that were represented in the camp. The British SOE was a secret spy operation that was set up to help the French Resistance. Albert Guerisse, who was the leader of the Committee when the camp was liberated, was from Belgium. The headquarters of this Committee is now in Belgium. Guerisse was sent to a concentration camp because he was “an illegal combatant” since he was helping the French Resistance.

      The term “Native American” is now used as the politically correct term for the people who were formerly known as Indians. It does not mean a person from America or a person born in America. I am surprised that the tour guide used that term. I have been to the Dachau Memorial Site several times and each time, about 95% of the tourists looked like Americans.

      There were 585,000 Jews in Gemany in 1933, according to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. The population of Germany was 62 million at that time. Auschwitz had more Jews than Gentiles, but all the other camps had mostly political prisoners who were not Jewish.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 24, 2011 @ 8:53 am

    • Should’ve told him you were part Choctaw,Lakota or Seminole. Wouldn’t known the difference. I got a bit of Blackfoot in me. My granny on my moms side was from the Blackfoot nation. They probably only wanted native Americans so they could tell
      Them,”so you think you had it bad with the trail of tears”.

      Comment by tim — April 7, 2015 @ 12:28 am

  8. DACHAU WAS “NEVER” used as gas chamber so as to gassings one only has to look at signs posted in dachau . how can they say gas chamber !!!!!!

    Comment by Robert Schmidt — August 24, 2011 @ 3:18 am

    • The sign that said in five languages that the gas chamber was never used was taken down in 2003. The Dachau Memorial site is controlled by the International Committee of Dachau, which was formed by Communist prisoners inside the camp before the camp was liberated; it is still active. A new Museum also opened in 2003. Tourists do not want to hear that Dachau was the mildest of all the camps — they go to Dachau for the purpose of hearing about the evil Nazis and the atrocities committed there. The tour guides try to give the tourists their money’s worth by exaggerating as much as they can. There are many signs now at Dachau which exaggerate the conditions in the camp.

      When Dachau was liberated, the head of the International Committee, who was a British SOE agent, met the liberators at the Arbeit Macht Frei gate and led them to the gas chamber.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 24, 2011 @ 6:10 am

  9. Bill M. Armontrout, warden of Missouri State Penitentiary, testified at the 2nd trial of Zundel in 1988, that there was only one consultant in the United States that he knew of in the design, operation, and maintenance of gas chambers. That consultant was Fred Leuchter.

    Leuchter actually designed a fully operational homicidal gas chamber (Missouri State Penitentiary), plus he was the consultant to South Carolina and Missouri with respect to their homicidal gas chambers. His report is flawed, there was a rush to complete it to present at Zundel’s 2nd trial. The report wasn’t allowed to be submitted as evidence, but Leuchter was permitted by the judge Ron Thomas to testify as regard his knowledge of gas chambers, he further held that Leuchter was an engineer because he had made himself an engineer in a very limited area.

    I’ve friends who are qualified Industrial Electricians, they’re engineers who never went to university.

    Comment by Black Rabbit — August 23, 2011 @ 5:19 pm

    • Instead of accepting Leuchter’s testimony and dropping the gas chamber allegations, the Holocaustians destroyed Fred Leuchter’s life and threw out his tests that showed that there is no evidence of any gas chambers used by the Germans during World War II. At one point, Leuchter was arrested by the British while he was in the UK giving a speech; he was taken to Germany and narrowly escaped before he could be put on trial and thrown into prison for five years.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 24, 2011 @ 6:20 am


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