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October 19, 2011

What does Pope Benedict have to do to prove that he is not a Nazi?

Filed under: Germany — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 7:55 am

There is currently a big controversy over a recent comment made by actress Susan Sarandon about Pope Benedict, whom she called “this Nazi (pope) we have now.”  During an event at the Hamptons Film Festival, Sarandon said she had sent a copy of the book entitled Dead Man Walking to the late Pope John Paul II in hopes that he would elevate the issue of the death penalty in church teaching. To make clear which Pope she was talking about, Sarandon said she sent the book to “The last one. Not this Nazi one we have now.”

Pope Benedict was too young to join the Nazi political party, but he was forced to join the Hitler Youth. He never attended the Hitler Youth meetings.  He was drafted into the Germany army, but he went AWOL near the end of the war.  As Pope, he has bent over backwards to show his support for the Jews, but it’s never enough.

Pope Benedict enters the Auschwitz main camp

On Sunday, May 28, 2006, Pope Benedict XVI visited the main camp at Auschwitz, which was primarily a camp for political prisoners, and also the Auschwitz II camp, aka Birkenau, where stone tablets in the major languages of the world say that 1.5 million people, mostly Jews, were murdered.

The photo above shows the Pope, wearing a white robe and red shoes, as he walks into the Auschwitz main camp through the infamous “Arbeit Macht Frei” gate, followed by his entourage of Catholic bishops and cardinals.  

The Pope visited the Black Wall in the courtyard between Block 10 and Block 11, where he lit a candle in honor of the political prisoners who were executed there, but he wisely avoided the other side of Block 11 where the cross used for a Mass said by Pope John Paul II still stands. He visited the Auschwitz prison cell where Father Kolbe died, but stayed far away from the Catholic Church in the former administration building at Birkenau and avoided the empty building where the Carmelite nuns formerly lived.  He tried hard not to offend the Jews by visiting the sites at Auschwitz that are part of Catholic history.

Pope Benedict at the International Monument at Birkenau

The photo above shows Pope Benedict XVI standing at the International Monument at Birkenau as he pays homage to the victims who were gassed in Crematorium II and Crematorium III, the ruins of which are only a few steps away, on either side of the monument.

When the Pope made a speech at Auschwitz-Birkenau in 2006, he spoke in Italian, so as not to offend the Poles and the Jews by speaking in the hated German language, but he still managed to insult the Jews with these words: “In a place like this, words fail; in the end there can only be a dread silence, a silence which itself is a heartfelt cry to God: Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this?”

According to liberal media, it was not God, but rather the millions of Catholics in Europe who were silent, and it was not God, but the ordinary Germans who tolerated the genocide of the Jews.

In his speech, Pope Benedict XVI blamed the Holocaust on the “criminals” in the Nazi regime and did not acknowledge the collective guilt of the German people who enthusiastically supported Hitler.  At Auschwitz-Birkenau, the Pope also failed to mention his Nazi past as an unwilling member of the Hitler Youth and a soldier forced to fight in the German Army.

In spite of the fact that Pope Benedict XVI paid his respects to the Jews who were murdered at Auschwitz and bowed his head in shame, he was widely criticized in the media for not mentioning the anti-Semitism of the Catholic Church which contributed to the hatred of the Jews in Europe, and for not addressing the failure of Pope Pious XII to do everything in his power to prevent the deportation of the Jews to the death camps. Even worse, Pope Benedict XVI offered no apology to the Jews for Auschwitz.

The general consensus in the media was that, on his trip to Auschwitz-Birkenau in 2006, Pope Benedict XVI did his best, but his best wasn’t good enough.

Now Pope Benedict is in the news again; he is “the Nazi one,” who is not as good as “the last one,” the  Polish Pope, because, after all, Pope Benedict is German and all Germans are Nazis. What else is new?

14 Comments »

  1. Catholics sit on their hands while children continue to be raped but are up in arms over an off the cuff comment by Susan Sarandon.

    Comment by voicelessvictim — October 20, 2011 @ 7:55 pm

  2. I was surprised to see elected a German Pope at that time. I knew that the Church was in some difficulties and obviously a German Pope was,in political terms, not the best, and we now see. So I thought it was an error by the Church, but now I am inclined to think that it could have been a worse thing than an error.

    Comment by mincuo — October 20, 2011 @ 6:48 pm

  3. C’mon Herb, don’t be shy.
    You know better, than anybody else, that DJ (Deutsches Jungvolk) was superior to HJ (Hitler Jugend). And if you were member of “Jungvolk”, you were “der Pimpf”, thus, way above the level of Cardinal Bennie the Rat.
    Well, maybe it is a misfortune that “Fliegendes Standgericht”, or field tribunal didn’t catch him, but who are we, to questions the God’s Path. Hallelujah!
    In any case, membership in any of the children’s organizations, does not make you a “Nazi”. There were no “Nazis” (a propaganda word), but National-Socialists. Nothing wrong with that.

    Comment by Gasan — October 19, 2011 @ 9:45 pm

    • Dear Gasan
      I am just curious why do you think that the Junkvolk, as a Pimpf, would be superior to the HJ. They were the older and far more indoctrinated than us younger ones and in some cases outright bully boys especially during the war years when the HJ-Streifendienst was introduced to keep us on the straight and narrow. I had one run-in with the HJ during their marching and was punched as I did not do the Hitler salute while their flag was raised and as I hit back, my parents were told that I was not brought up “im Sinne unseres Führers”.
      I am now in my twilight years and looking back why should I be shy? Would really like to know your train of thought on this subject.

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — October 20, 2011 @ 12:32 am

      • Dear Herbert,
        Sorry, I guess, you didn’t catch my harmless “Americanism”. There is nothing for you to be shy of.
        I was always under impression, that’s Jungvolk and Hitler Jugend were two parallel organizations for children. I guess, I got it from the book by Guenter Grass “Katz und Maus”, which I have read long time ago, translated from German. Grass was referring to Jungvolk, as better organized and disciplined vs. HJ. Well, my bad, I should check the documents, rather, than believing the writer of “literature” . By the way, he is just a year older than you and grew up in Danzig area, not that far from you, right?
        Why wouldn’t you share with all of us the experiences of your childhood, upbringing, participation in children’s organizations of that time, military service, etc.
        I wish, that your twilight years will be extended for many more years. And, indeed, you have nothing to feel shy about in your life.

        Comment by Gasan — October 20, 2011 @ 9:15 pm

        • Dear Gasan
          Günter Grass did not live far away from where I was borne and partly raised. He is one year older than I am and as he joined the SS who took only “volunteers”, he too is considered by some as a “Nazi” and return his Nobel Price for Literature, is of Kashubian descent a slavish tribe, but not Polish. As a private note my sister went back July 2011 to fulfill my mothers dying wish to pray on the grave of our oldest sister and found that the Poles had destroyed the entire cemetery, all she found was a mountain of rubble of gravestones, a settlement that buried their dead since 1410. The priest however stopped them to destroy the Mausoleum holding the remains of German Knights which had already been dumped into a ditch (now reburied by descendants). There has always been a frosty relationship between Germany and Poland which will hardly ever change, but I did not expect such deep rooted hatred against the Dead, German or not.
          When it comes to the youth during the third Reich, it is true that the Jungvolk was better behaved as well as disciplined than the HJ. Who was most popular for us younger ones was Baldur von Schirach who had more American blood flowing in his veins than German.
          The “beef” I have with the present Pope is that he absconded his Unit while others died, admittedly it was a lost cause by the end of 1945, not with the dogma of the Catholic Church nor any other religion.
          I let him carry on playing the BLUES!

          Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — October 21, 2011 @ 7:22 pm

  4. FG. The Pope, Herr Ratzinger and wife:
    He is about my age and let me tell you no one was ever “forced” to join the Hitler Youth, I never was with them and stayed with the Jungvolk., which did not harm me nor did it make me a Nazi”. In both cases to be a member was almost automatic but you could refuse and many did. When it came to military service, he deserted (there is no such excuse in the German Armed Forces as AWOL) by pretending he was wounded and had his arm in a sling and walked back to his village. When passed by other soldiers, going towards the front, who asked him:”Kamerad bist Du verwundet?”(Comrade are you wounded?”) He said with his shifty eyes, which he still got to this day only more pronounced: “Ja, am Oberarm”.(Yes on the upper arm).
    It is unfortunate the “Fliegendes Standgericht” did not catch him for summary execution, we would not have a “Nazi” Pope, which is a most stupid expression no intelligent person would ever utter! As much as I dislike him, I would send him Nietzsche’s quote: “Gott is tot es gibt nur einen Übermenschen.
    PS
    When he was elected Pope, both he and his German “Cook”, I don’t remember her name, went to pray, that it must have been God’s wish that they both came together to Rome. By the way he is a first class piano player, which she taught him.

    Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — October 19, 2011 @ 8:07 pm

  5. WHY THE HELL MUST A “CHRISTIAN POPE” NOT !!!! RESPECT CATHOLIC SITES AT AUSHWITZ …..HELL MAN ……WHY PUSSY FOOT AROUND THE JEWS ALL THE TIME …………….THERE WERE NO GAS CHAMBERS , THE POPE NEEDS TO CONSULT GOD ON THIS HE KNOWS ……WHAT HAPPENED
    WHAT UTTER CRAP !

    Comment by Robert Schmidt — October 19, 2011 @ 11:44 am

  6. sadly, the lesson is never learned on the majority that the Chosen Ones will never, ever stop, and any desire to accomodate them or acquiesce is seen only as weakness. this pope proves the point, yet again. they never forgive, never forget, only make demands. of course, when it eventually backfires and they overplay their hands (as they appear to be doing again), they never stop to ask “why us”? I often wonder how many, when finished digging the pits where they would then be shot into, or in the camps, etc, how many asked “why us”?

    Comment by schlageter — October 19, 2011 @ 11:32 am

  7. Nevermind that “the Christian world” was there in WWII fighting the Nazis! They should’ve fought harder and faster. Or something.

    “…Jules Isaac was a history scholar, a Legion of Honor member, and the inspector of schools in France. In 1943, he was 66, a despairing man living near Vichy, when the Germans picked up his daughter and wife. From then on, Isaac could think of little but the apathy of the Christian world before the fate of incinerated Jews. His book JESUS AND ISRAEL was published in 1948, and after reading it, Father Paul Démann in Paris searched schoolbooks and verified Isaac’s sad claim that inadvertently, if not by intent, Catholics taught contempt for Jews.

    …Isaac’s book was noticed. In 1949, Pope Pius XII received its author briefly. But 11 years went by before Isaac saw real hope.

    …In Rome, the word from the Mideast and the conservatives was that a Jewish declaration would be inopportune. From the West, where 225,500 more Jews live in New York than in Israel, the word was that dropping the declaration would be a calamity. And into this impasse came the ingenuous bulk of John XXIII – not to settle the dispute but to enlarge it.”

    How the Jews Changed Catholic Thinking – From “Look” Magazine – January 25, 1966
    http://www.fisheaters.com/jewsvaticanii.html

    Comment by who+dares+wings — October 19, 2011 @ 10:06 am

    • I checked out the article from Look magazine and I don’t agree with it. The article starts with this quote:

      “For the simple tenets of their faith, most Roman Catholics rely on the catechism’s hard questions and imprimatured answers. Children in Church schools memorize its passages, which they rarely forget the rest of their lives. In the catechism, they learn that Catholic dogma does not change and, far more vividly, that Jews killed Jesus Christ. Because of that Christian concept, for the past 20 centuries anti- Semitism spread as a kind of social disease on the body of mankind.”

      This was written in 1966. The Catholic Church might have changed by that time. I went to Catholic school from 1939 to 1947. I began learning the Catholic catechism at age of 7 in 1940, and I have never forgotten it. I did not learn in catechism in 1940 that the Jews killed Jesus Christ. I learned that it was Pontius the Pilot (Joke) who handed down the decision to kill Jesus Christ.

      The article continues with this quote:

      “Few Catholics were ever directly taught to hate Jews. Yet Catholic teaching could not get around the New Testament account that Jews provoked the Crucifixion.”

      I agree with this part of the article. In Catholic school, I was never taught to hate Jews. At that time, I had never seen a Jew and never expected to ever see one. However, we were taught in Catholic school that “Jews provoked the Crucifixion.” Pontius the Pilot made his decision on the basis of what the Jews wanted, which was to get rid of Jesus because he was corrupting the Jewish youth by his teaching.

      Jesus was also interfering in the Jewish way of life. For example, chasing the “money-changers” out of the Temple. “Money-changing” was invented by the Jews and it was a service that was needed at a time when every town had its own currency.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 19, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

      • Pontius Pilate made his decision under threat of being blackmailed by the jews.
        “From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jews kept shouting, “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.” (Luke 23:23,24 ).
        How many other political leaders were blackmailed since then?

        Comment by Gasan — October 19, 2011 @ 10:03 pm

        • Very good point, Gasan.

          Further, No one has asked if Susan Saradon is a Catholic. I doubt it because she is super-liberal politically.Therefore, her statement, “The Nazi-Pope WE have now” is off the mark. What the Pope is or is not has nothing to do with her, but she has a big mouth.

          Further, it’s too bad Ratzinger didn’t attend the Hitler Youth meetings (IF that is even true); if he had he might be a better man, with a stiffer spine, today. The fact that he deserted his comrades in the war (also IF true) doesn’t make him a hero, but a scum. I wonder what is the real truth of this man.

          In spite of all the above, he has been terribly persecuted by Jewish loudmouths and their allies. He can be seen to perfectly represent the post WWII German nation in that the more persecuted they are, the more guilt they accept and the further they bow down to their accusers.

          Comment by sceptic — October 20, 2011 @ 7:30 am

          • Okay, I finally looked it up and Saradon was born into a Roman Catholic family. I can’t imagine a sincere Roman Catholic calling their Pope a Nazi though. Abe Foxman has called on her to apologize, saying she was wrong. Abe wants to get on the good side of Catholics, the better to influence them.

            Comment by sceptic — October 20, 2011 @ 6:51 pm


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