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November 10, 2011

“the Holocaust never happened” (What does this mean?)

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 7:59 am

In a comment on this post on my blog, a reader used the expression “the Holocaust never happened.” But what does this mean?  Does anyone ever seriously say “The Holocaust never happened”?

Billboard that was put up in Berlin several years ago

Before the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe was built in Berlin, the billboard shown in the photo above was put up at the future site of the memorial.  The message on this billboard was intended to be facetious, but some people took it literally, and the sign had to be taken down.  (The English translation is “the Holocaust never happened.”)

The expression “the Holocaust never happened” is used by Holocaust believers, followed by “of course, it happened.”  This is not an expression used by Holocaust revisionists.

There were a lot of lies told about World War I, including “The Big Lie.”  Does anyone ever say that World War I never happened?  (“The Big Lie” was the claim that Germany lost the war on the battlefield.)

After World War II, millions of ethnic Germans were expelled from Poland, Czechoslovakia and other countries and forced to go to Germany, which was a pile of rubble at that time.  Thousands of the expellees lived at the former Dachau concentration camp for 17 years before they were thrown out so that the camp could be made into a Memorial site.  This piece of history is very controversial, but does anyone ever say that it never happened?

The question is “How much of history are people required by law to believe in order to stay out of prison?”  Do we have to believe every survivor story, no matter how ridiculous it is?  Do we have to believe Elie Wiesel’s story, even though he has no tattoo from Auschwitz and no ID number from Buchenwald?

8 Comments

  1. We dont have to believe to any survivor, just becase they say so (though I usually believe that everyone say the truth unless proven otherway), we can just stik to Facts have proven to be:
    The widely cited “6 million” figure is derived from the initial 1945 Nuremberg trial estimate of 5.7 million deaths; subsequent censuses, statistical analyses, and other demographic studies of European Jewry have consistently demonstrated the essential accuracy of this first tally. After nearly 50 years of study, historians agree that approximately 6 million Jews perished during the course of the Nazi genocide.
    In The War Against the Jews, Lucy Dawidowicz offers a country-by-country accounting of Jewish deaths. The next figure present the estimated number of jews killed in the “final solutoin” (it is ordered by -Country – Estimated Pre-Final Solution Population – Estimated Jewish Population Annihilated (Number -percent)

    Poland 3,300,000 3,000,000 90
    Baltic countries 253,000 228,000 90
    Germany/Austria 240,000 210,000 90
    Protectorate 90,000 80,000 89
    Slovakia 90,000 75,000 83
    Greece 70,000 54,000 77
    Hungary 650,000 450,000 70
    SSR White Russia 375,000 245,000 65
    SSR Ukraine* 1,500,000 900,000 60
    Belgium 65,000 40,000 60
    Yugoslavia 43,000 26,000 60
    Romania 600,000 300,000 50
    Norway 1,800 900 50
    France 350,000 90,000 26
    Bulgaria 64,000 14,000 22
    Italy 40,000 8,000 20
    Luxembourg 5,000 1,000 20
    Russia (RSFSR)* 975,000 107,000 11
    Denmark 8,000 — —
    Finland 2,000 — —
    TOTAL 8,861,800 5,933,900 67

    Comment by Hadas Lavi — February 19, 2012 @ 7:39 am

    • Thanks for giving us the numbers. You are correct that 5.7 million was the estimate given by Justice Robert Jackson at the Nuremberg IMT. This is an exact quote from the opening statement by Robert Jackson:

      “Of the 9.6 million Jews who lived in Nazi-dominated Europe, 60% are authoritatively estimated to have perished. 5.7 million Jews are missing from the countries in which they formerly lived, and over 4.5 million cannot be accounted for by the normal death rate nor by immigration; nor are they included among displaced persons. History does not record a crime ever perpetrated against so many victims or one ever carried out with such calculated cruelty.”

      After this opening statement, the Allies proceeded to prove that 5.7 million Jews were killed. The Soviet Union proved that 4 million were killed at Auschwitz and 1.5 million were killed at Majdanek. The Soviets also testified that Jews were “steamed to death” at Treblinka. Unfortunately, the numbers given by the Memorial sites at Auschwitz and Majdanek are now 900,000 Jews killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau and 59,000 killed at Majdanek. In other words, the Soviet Union gave false testimony at Nuremberg, inflating the numbers by 4.5 million. There is a saying in the law: “false in one, false in all.” The testimony given at Nuremberg would be now be thrown out according to the law, but it is still quoted as the truth by Holocaustians.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 19, 2012 @ 9:29 am

  2. That German billboard was misleading. Revisionists have ever said the Holocaust didn’t happen. The Holocaust™ industry is using a strawman to demonize post-Nuremburg research into the events that presents a non-ecumenical alternative to the eschatology of this neurotic death cult. The billboards were put up to make it appear that “deniers” are out of their minds. An elderly gentleman in Los Angeles, CA studied the literature and concluded the Holocaust death toll was exaggerated so he went to the Rabbi Steven Wise Temple near Hollywood to share the good news. He thought the folks he encountered there would be happy to know that deep research and forensic science has proven a great deal of the early evidence and eyewitness testimony about the fate of Jews in WWII is wrong, but he was in for a big Candid Camera type surprise as you can see from this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u40B1AEEv6c&feature=related.

    Comment by who+dares+wings — November 10, 2011 @ 4:22 pm

    • That’s their signature alrighty. Mobbing and all in on the racket from the oldest to the youngest. Their minds are truly a fiction factory, if they actually posses an individual mind that is.

      Comment by INCOMING!!!!!!! — November 11, 2011 @ 6:47 am

    • I can’t believe they still go on and on about the 6 million figure. After Auschwitz’s death toll was revised from 4 million to 1.1 million, the fictional 6 million has not been revised down whatsoever.

      Comment by Mic Filler — November 11, 2011 @ 2:09 pm

      • The number 6 is sacred in the Holocaust religion. Go to this blog post and you will see what I mean:
        https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/international-holocaust-memorial-day-on-jan-27th/

        The Hall of Remembrance at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is like a church. It has an altar which is a box with dirt from the major concentration camps. The Hall is precisely 6,000 feet square and has six sides. There is a six-sided skylight at the top of the room, which has no windows. On the six walls are six black marble panels with the names of the six death camps. You can’t change the number of 6 million without changing the Holocaust religion. The emblem of the Jews is the six-point star.

        Comment by furtherglory — November 11, 2011 @ 5:26 pm

    • I say the Holocaust never happened. I don’t like it when people say what revisionists say and don’t say. Revisionists don’t all say the same things.

      The Holocaust never happened because it was not a “holocaust.” Something happened, but not a holocaust. That is a very good point to argue and it should be argued more often. It might wake some people up.

      Comment by Skeptic — November 11, 2011 @ 7:39 pm

  3. “Do we have to believe every survivor story, no matter how ridiculous it is?” That is a very important question. It’s been established that Dachau never operated homicidal gas chambers and yet “eye witnesses” swear that they saw people being murdered in the thousands. The Jewish Soap, which was so important during the Nuremberg trials, has been relegated to the myth pile and yet that lie persists most of all.

    Comment by Mic Filler — November 10, 2011 @ 10:19 am


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