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January 23, 2012

The famous Buchenwald photo — is that Elie Wiesel or a 40-year-old man?

Filed under: Buchenwald, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 9:57 am

This morning I googled “famous photo of Elie Wiesel at Buchenwald” and the first website that came up in the search results was the website “Elie Wiesel Cons the World” which has a wealth of information about the famous Buchenwald photo, which you can read here.

Famous photo taken in Buchenwald Barracks #56

Elie Wiesel claims to be the man in the circle

Is this the face of 16-year-old Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel? Or is this the face of a 40-year-old man?

Elie Wiesel wrote in Night that he got out of his hospital bed at the Monowitz camp in Auschwitz and joined the death march out of the camp on January 18, 1945.  He also wrote that he became sick three days after the liberation of Buchenwald on April 11, 1945 and was confined to a hospital bed for 2 weeks.  Did he also get out of his hospital bed and go over to barracks #56 to get into this famous picture?  Elie Wiesel was an orphan after his father died at Buchenwald, and he was allegedly in barracks #66, the orphan’s barracks, when the camp was liberated.

26 Comments

  1. oh of course, russia wont let you in to find out, forgot to say that! I do believe the russian police might actually put someone in jail or kill them for making noise!

    Comment by irene — January 24, 2012 @ 10:41 am

    • no one will put you in jail for blogging here…so please tell us all…

      thank you

      Comment by Alan — January 24, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  2. why dont you freaking people worry about the jews in russia and what is happening to them today now right now! This day! But my question is if 6 million jews died, how come you are so many today? You would think 6 million would of put a dent in the population.

    Comment by irene — January 24, 2012 @ 10:39 am

    • Irene, please explain what is happening in Russia to Jews today? I do worry…. and you say we are so many? What numbers are you talking about? My great grand mother and great grand father was killed in Russia by Lenin’s pogroms. Most of the rest of my family was destroyed in the Shoah, where are they today? There are many times less Jews alive today then there would be if there was not Shoah. But please do not be worried, it will NOT happen again, thanks to blogs like this which keep everyone on their toes as to how low human beings can go when they resentful and jealous.

      Comment by Alan — January 24, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  3. If someone is suspect of Elie Wiesel’s hypocritical guilt tripping and Zionist cult rapture “their case is invalid and built on a base of intolerance and hatred.”? Message to Alan: I’m immunized against Talmudic corkscrew logic and cyber hasbara by intuition. Don’t lecture me!

    Comment by who+dares+wings — January 24, 2012 @ 5:18 am

    • Haha! that’s hilarious!! “I’m immunized against Talmudic corkscrew logic and cyber hasbara by intuition.” = the equivalent of someone saying “Jedi mind tricks don’t work on the weak minded”… if you think scientific process = Talmudic corkscrew logic then you’re a sad angry old tool bag and I laugh in the face of your frustration that the whole world thinks you’re all crack pots, except Iran and some ageing antisemites…who will soon die along with their failed attempt to deny what clearly is FACT. You do need to be lectured, you’re ignorant, uneducated and clearly distorted and you have to do better than “hypocritical guilt tripping and Zionist cult rapture”, but thanks for the laugh! 🙂

      Comment by Alan — January 24, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  4. this is exactly where we warned for at codoh with eric hunt, the case of mr wiesel is of zero importance to the holocaust, but vice versa, when you end up having no case, except for presumptions, it can damage the otherwise sound case of revisonists. For instance what did he do in that barrack : the 3 other poor typoidic starved + bare chested patients were also put their on purpose for propaganda use and came certainly also out of another barrack. The fact they originated out of another barrack does not prove they were not in auschwitz neither does their hairlength.

    Comment by wolf — January 24, 2012 @ 3:47 am

    • well said

      Comment by Alan — January 24, 2012 @ 4:11 am

  5. On April 16, 1945, “Elie Wiesel” appears on this picture taken in Block 56.

    He looks like a thirty-something, with the receding hairline of an adult.
    Compare with the hairline of the boy next to him, behind the beam.

    He lacks the Cupid’s bow of 15 year-old “Elie Wiesel” as well.

    Besides, doesn’t he write in “Night” he was in a coma, between life and death, in the Children’s Block 66, from April 14 to April 28.

    The very next day, April 17, 1945, “Elie Wiesel” is paraded around Buchenwald with children,

    who look like children.

    He has shed both his near-death experience and twenty years, at least.

    Six months later, “Elie Wiesel” has even managed to grow
    a lock of hair of almost 20 cm.

    He has learned to master the French language as well.
    Staying in a OSE home in the French countryside since 1943 could have helped, though.

    Although “Elie Wiesel” claims he is the tall boy with beret, 4th on the left rank, renown scholar Ken Waltzer begs to differ; “Elie Wiesel” told him he was
    the short boy in front of the tall one.

    Neither resembles whatsoever young “Elie Wiesel”.

    These pictures are misleadingly displayed in USHMM’s Elie Wiesel Timeline.

    Now, the USHMM, created and headed by Elie Wiesel mentions no less than 27 names of these children.

    Will you find *which name* is missing ?

    Many of those children, still alive today, may refuse to perjure themselves and testify “Elie Wiesel” was among them.

    Might this impede Ken Waltzer’s thesis ?

    Comment by Eager for Answers — January 23, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

    • half these links don’t even work, this is clearly a fabrication on your part.

      Comment by Alan — January 23, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

      • The links to USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum) documents take some time to appear on the screen.

        I test all my links before posting; why one (not half) is not working, I can’t say.

        Try it anew:

        The very next day, April 17, 1945, “Elie Wiesel” is paraded around Buchenwald with children,

        This picture and the following are screenshots from the 2009 documentary, “Elie Wiesel, messager de la mémoire”.

        You can watch it here.

        I totally agree with you, this is clearly a fabrication.

        But not on my part.

        Comment by Eager for Answers — January 23, 2012 @ 7:47 pm

        • Sorry, I’m not convinced, your data is not complete or accurate enough to conclude Ellie’s story is fabricated or that he is an impostor, but you certainly are generating a lot of public attention to the story of the Shoah and to publicize his book to the general public. Thank you.

          Comment by Alan — January 24, 2012 @ 12:57 am

          • If data provided by:

            – “Elie Wiesel”

            – Kenneth Waltzer

            – AP/Wide World

            – National Archives and Records Administration

            – United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

            – Yad Vashem

            is not complete or accurate enough, it is then perfectly reasonable to doubt the accuracy of the fantastic tales woven around it. Thank you.

            Comment by Eager for Answers — January 24, 2012 @ 1:56 am

            • No you misunderstand, I’m not questioning the credibility of the source of data. I think the sources are sound but the data is incomplete and often anecdotal and vulnerable to subjective interpretation. Your evince is not based on empirical scientific process. My original statement holds “I’m not convinced, your data is not complete or accurate enough to conclude Ellie’s story is fabricated or that he is an impostor,” and I challenge everyone of you to prove it so. If not, then your case is invalid and built on a base of intolerance and hatred, as I suspect it is. The onus is on you to provide better evidence to prove or support your stance, if not you have nothing then the world embraces this poor boy’s plight and rebirth in the face of “incredible”, but very real horror.

              Comment by Alan — January 24, 2012 @ 3:01 am

  6. So 6 million didn’t die and many many more didn’t suffer? And for those many who did suffer and die, you have no empathy for them? Human beings? Ever thought what it was like for innocent people being pushed into gas chambers and choked to death with tank engine exhaust or Zyklon B? Have you ever really imagined what it was like? What if you or your family were swept up and included in that group? How would you feel?

    Even if was less than 6 million, are you saying that there was a unanimous conspiracy and they all lied and lived happily ever after in some unknown place, just for “propaganda purposes” if some indeed did change or twist their tales for what ever reason, you’re going to loose all respect or empathy for “all” the victims of the Shoah? There are idiots in every walk of life and people who do in fact lie or after a period of time their memories are not perfect or distorted by experience, but that would be a tiny fraction of a very small percentage of a minority of cases….and even less for those for whatever reason would lie for malicious purposes. Inaccurate accounts DO NOT mean anything for the general history. In my opinion, the root of your hatred, conscious or not, is that you’re just frustrated/upset because you realise Jewish people are here to stay and the free and educated world will now defend us against your kind of hate, and there’s nothing you can ever do about it, as only a few nut bags will read your posts and believe your lies…and they will be confronted with our challenges, and eventually become extinct. Technology will be your demise now. It’s already happening and there’s nothing you can or say, your case is weak in the face overwhelming evidence.

    “Wash up to the surface” ??? yes indeed I saw them and photographed them in great detail..but seriously, are you suggesting that artefacts on display are faked? The items I saw in the ruins of the Canada barracks, over a period of two years were very old, iron was completely rusted but many objects were intact but weathered and they were certainly contemporary for the period. I wanted to know if you had spent any time there in summer looking at these objects, there are literally, thousands and thousands….amongst the reinforced wire melted glass of the barracks windows…you’d have to have your head in the clouds to miss them…buttons do not equal evidence for mass murder, but photos of healthy looking corpses, aerial photos of smoke coming from ditches and thousands of eye witness accounts, from victims and perpetrators is… you can lie all you like but we will always refute your weak attempts to cast doubt on the facts regarding the Shoah. Your loss.

    Comment by Alan — January 23, 2012 @ 5:48 pm

  7. Is Elie Wiesel’s Nobel Prize winning book NIGHT considered non-fiction or a novel? Do Jews even know the difference? I don’t think doddering Holocaust survivors who write about “geysers of blood” spurting out of mass graves, baby bashing SS guards and last minute reprieves and rescues from gas chambers know it. Elie Wiesel is a sanctimonious old saddle bag with eyes and a fright wig. When I read that Bernie Madoff helped himself to
    Wiesel’s wealth I was elated. The beanie wearing bean counters at the Securities and Exchange Commission will be ordered to reimburse him, of course, because he’s their Pope of Pelf.

    Comment by who+dares+wings — January 23, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

    • “old saddle bag with eyes and a fright wig.” you’re so objective… how full is your hump of hate?

      Comment by Alan — January 23, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

      • Hello Alan.

        I’ve missed you’re tedious pontificating since you banned me from posting on your youtube channel.

        Got some nice photos at the Auschwitz labour camps last week. I was half expecting to see you there.

        Comment by Black Rabbit — January 23, 2012 @ 2:28 pm

        • Ahhh… wrong Alan, I am not Alan Heath, I am from Australia. Although I have met him a few times and he is an excellent source of accurate information on the Shoah, and a worthy defender of truth against this kind of tripe.

          You say you got some nice photos at the Auschwitz labour camp. What labour was done at Birkenau? It was a death camp, and no that is not a swimming pool for Jews at Auschwitz I. Have you ever walked along the ruins of “canada” in summer and seen all the buttons, eye glasses, razors, belt buckles and personal effects that wash up to the surface? What about the people who owned that? Have you no empathy? Have you no conscience?

          Comment by Alan — January 23, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

          • ” … the buttons, eye glasses, razors, belt buckles and personal effects that wash up to the surface?”

            “Wash up to the surface” ???

            They’ve a display of such items where Block 5 stood in Canada II, but such collections are found at every Jumble Sale.

            You borrowed Alan Heath’s phrase “denier liar”, hence my presumption you were him.

            “Have you no empathy? Have you no conscience?”

            I do. For real victims, not ones made up for propaganda purposes.

            Comment by Black Rabbit — January 23, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

          • Alan, how did you know Black Rabbit was banned by Alan Heath since BR mentioned only “Alan” ?

            Comment by Eager for Answers — January 23, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

            • well anyone with a brain, and interest in the Shoah and a computer would know that “Alan” + “your youtube channel” would be referring to Alan Heath, esteemed historian and holocaust-denier-liar-debunker-extraordinaire…this man puts you all to shame, time and time again. Or it could be a Jewish conspiracy and I can read BR’s mind.

              Comment by Alan — January 24, 2012 @ 12:26 am

  8. Looks like a stressed and emaciated teenager to me. Under the stress of starvation it’s hard to tell the exact age of a person. This looks EXACTLY like Ellie. Try again, try harder- denier liar…

    Comment by Alan — January 23, 2012 @ 12:41 pm

    • But Elie was in the orphan’s barrack, block #66, where the young fatherless boys were protected and taken care of by the other prisoners. The orphans were not emaciated. He left the orphan’s barrack three days after the camp was liberated on April 11th, so he was in the hospital when this photo was taken. You say this looks exactly like Ellie? Who’s Ellie? Try again to follow the story, instead of making an ad hominem attack.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 23, 2012 @ 1:16 pm

      • FG: They really hate this kind of photographic evidence.

        Thanks for linking to that page. It really needs to be updated though. There is more that could be put on it now. You have brought it to my attention.

        Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 23, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

      • Ohh wow, you’re right, this changes everything… NOT. Your argument is so weak. This is such a waste of time and space. Regardless what you say or think, that a 13 yr boy stole someone’s identity, and made up lies so that one day he could write a award winning book about something that really happened…which you admit to. The dumb thing with your post is, this photo actually looks like the adult who’s name is Ellie Wiesel, who was in the Auschwitz complex and then sent to Buchenwald – so what if for a moment in time, he was living in the “wrong” barracks? This means nothing, it was chaos in the end. Despite issues with Ellie’s story, there are issues with every Shoah account, are you suggesting Primo Levi made up lies because he saw the “Arbeit Macht Frei” sign at Monowitz, that you think was not there? More like you’re trying to discredit survivors and cast doubt about the whole Shoah story, this makes you a soft-core denier liar… what a shame, you’re not even sure of your own prejudice.

        What about the grave’s at Treblinka, I can’t wait to hear your denier liar account of this new evidence. Or was Treblinka a death camp with CO2/engine exhaust gas chambers? Where 95% of the Warsaw population was systematically murdered? Where’s you denier liar diatribe there?

        Comment by Alan — January 23, 2012 @ 2:05 pm


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