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January 24, 2012

Good news! Mass graves found at Treblinka extermination camp

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 3:17 pm

The BBC broadcast a program yesterday entitled The Hidden Graves of the Holocaust, which was about new information regarding the mass graves at Treblinka, one of the three Operation Reinhard camps.  I didn’t see the program, but I read about it here.  The article starts off with this quote:

Any doubts about the existence of mass graves at the Treblinka death camp in Poland are being laid to rest by the first survey of the site using tools that see below the ground, writes forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls.

The most important part of the article is this quote:

A 1946 report by investigators into German crimes in Poland found “a cellar passage with the protruding remains of burnt posts, the foundations of the administration building and the old well” and here and there “the remains of burnt fence posts, pieces of barbed wire, and short sections of paved road”.

Bone fragments can still be seen on the surface of the ground, especially after rain”

They also discovered human remains as they dug into the ground, and on the surface “large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among which are numerous human bones”.

Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.

The section on Treblinka in the German Crimes in Poland. Volume I. Published by the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland. Warsaw, 1946 can be read in full here.

At the very end of the Treblinka section of the report of the Central Commission is this quote:

The eradication of all traces of the crime by wholesale burning of corpses began after Himmler’s visit in the early spring of 1943 and lasted till the Warsaw Rising, or even later. The camp was finally closed in November, 1943.

During the investigation when the ground was levelled, no collective graves were found, and this together with the evidence given by the witnesses leads to the conclusion that almost all the remains were burnt; the German authorities having had plenty of time to do it since the camp was closed. The site of the camp was ploughed over and sown, and on it Ukrainians were settled. They fled, however, on the approach of the Red Army.

Now the mass graves, that the Polish Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland was unable to find in 1945, have been found.  And it was the BBC that reported it.  The very first report of the gas chambers where Jews were being gassed was made by the BBC in 1942.

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27 Comments

  1. Well this doesn’t exactly make sense scrap… Cause our friend krege here said he found no building remains? How is it exactly that Colls found them?

    Comment by Denying-History — May 11, 2016 @ 8:32 pm

  2. “Any doubts about the existence of mass graves at the Treblinka death camp in Poland are being laid to rest by the first survey of the site using tools that see below the ground, writes forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls.”

    Really? Well then, if Colls has truly “laid to rest – any doubts about the existence of mass graves at Treblinka,” then why does she refuse to answer the following simple questions about her allegations?

    Forensic Experts Skeptical About So-Called “Scientifically Proven” Graves / Human Remains At Illusory WW II Era Archaeology Sites

    * * * * *

    Four Very Simple Investigatory Questions

    About Caroline Sturdy Colls Suspiciously Vague Treblinka Investigation

    (Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Treblinka II – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

    # 2 – At Treblinka II, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 3 – Is it true or false that, at – Treblinka II – there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans – during their time of occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    # 4 – Is it true or false that, at – Treblinka II – there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators – after the time of German occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    Comment by Greg Gerdes — December 2, 2013 @ 7:08 pm

  3. Is who+dares+wings some sort of joke avatar
    ?
    I mean what’s up with all this passing laws stuff ? … very disturbing if that poster is for real and not just a sort of satire .

    Alan , jews and others that insists it must be considered unquestionable about the holocaust , the 6 million and Hitler … well I’m sorry – the revisionistare gaining ground and all u types have is name calling and propaganda … just the timeline and lack of physical evidence is enough to make you thank … hum .

    Comment by lre — June 2, 2013 @ 8:15 am

  4. That’s bs wernik is the source for these fairy tails and his account is completely idiotic and ridiculous, he claims womens bodies burn like gas and were the fuel for the fire… he claims he got shot and the bullet went through his shirt and stopped at his skin, there is only one eyewitness acount from nuremburg which was a farce of justice and its fraudulent… yankiel wernik “one year in treblinka” is raul hilbergs source for what is actually one third of the holocaust and its a fraud totaly, just read it for yourself before you believe some lying jew who has not only a beneficial reason to lie but also is part of a grouup of people who own the media, banks, politicians ect… the jews have race laws in isreal and are right now murdering helpless christian palestinian children without mercy… hedre is a list of jews with their real names in parenthesis
    Joseph stalin (dzhugasvili) it means judas son on south ossetian
    Karl marx (mordecai levi) son of rabbis and author communist manifesto…
    Vladimir lenin (blank) grandson of jew isreal blank
    Leon trotsky (lev bronstein) german jew

    Wake up people the jews are trying to set up a world government, read the jewish talmud which states its ok to have sex with 3 year olds, says jesus burns in his own excrement eternaly and talks of a world jewish tyrant and dictatorship… look at your jewish controlled media that lies to you…

    The germans nationalized banks and abolished the practice of useury or interest charging, they created prosperity for the common working class person and so the jews propagandized them… its so obvious, all nations used a pest control called zyklon b in the 30s to kill lice and prevent deaths due to typhus, ask your grandparents… jesus says the jews are the sons of satan and proverbial liars john 8:44

    Comment by mikesstaffel — March 5, 2013 @ 6:56 pm

  5. Quod Erat Demonstrandum!
    You Alan, like all other “hasbara” trolls, who happened to visit this blog, have no clue what you are talking about. You did not even notice the difference in spelling between “Operation ReinhardT” and name of Reinhard Heydrich. The German officials in General-Government of Poland were referring to financial, economic and demographic reports, they had to complete in the years of 1942-1943 at the request of Fritz Reinhardt, state secretary in the German Finance Ministry.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Reinhardt
    That’s why German officials used to call those reports “Einsatz Reinhardt”, with a “t”.
    Nächst…

    Also spricht der Narr: Der Umgang mit Menschen verdirbt den Character, sonderlich wenn man keinen hat.

    Comment by Gasan — January 25, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  6. From what I’ve read and learnt the answer to your question is; 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Reinhard and 2)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich. They pretty much sum it up. I’m sure there’s more to this operation than we can understand, there were maybe more individuals who played roles, but there’s no doubt what Heydrich and Himmler were doing. However, I’m SURE there was possibly more barbarity and mass murder than we can ever summate from the collective record, but because it was a “secret” action, because of the cold war, the record is incomplete, and so we may never know the precise facts, that you seem to fixate on for being contradictory. Don’t be facetious, it betrays your motives.

    Comment by Alan — January 25, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

    • All you do is “learn” from Wikipedia, Alan? Jew?

      Wikipedia also writes that race is a social construct. LOL!

      Comment by Holocaust Denier — January 25, 2012 @ 11:11 pm

  7. Alan,
    Can you enlighten me about “Operation Reinhardt”? I am dying to hear that story. Don’t forget to explain, who was “Reinhardt”.

    Comment by Gasan — January 25, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  8. Ahhh I knew this would come up…sorry I missed it initially…however, I am very disappointed with your argument…is this all you have, furtherglory?

    I think you’re getting confused with “mass graves” and “the remains of mass grave pits” which will just have ash and bones…correct?

    “I don’t think that anyone denies that some people died at Treblinka.” yes most of the population of Warsaw… …I’m glad this has been systematically put to rest now. your argument is invalid…if this was a transit camp, why is it so small? why was so much done to destroy it and hide it? The Nazis admitted it was a death camp,…come on…. this is the weakest of all your claims and lies…such a vein attempt to discredit what is the most heinous crime ever committed on the face of this planet; operation Reinhardt…next

    Comment by Alan — January 25, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

    • You wrote: “if this was a transit camp, why is it so small?” Why would a transit camp be large? There was no need for barracks because the prisoners who were brought to a transit camp did not stay there longer than one day. There was no need for a soccer field, or a swimming pool, or hospitals, or a brothel, as at other camps where people were going to stay for several months.

      You wrote: “why was so much done to destroy it and hide it?” That’s the nature of a transit camp. When it is no longer needed, it is torn down.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 25, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

      • perfect, if they were never going to stay there, for more than one day, why the need for a transit camp? and the idea of a camp means people have to stay there, the camp boundary is tiny. this is a killing centre, a death factory, just like it’s 2 sister camps, almost the same dimensions/configuration. why wouldn’t the camp be closer or at Małkinia Górna, which is the hub, why even go to Treblinka? why did trains take several days to get there from Warsaw??? which is practically “up the road”…are you serious? is that the best you can come up with?

        btw why wouldn’t there be a brothel in Auschwitz I? It served the Nazi well to reward the Aryan inmate functionaries. why is that such an issue for you to raise in the context of the Treblinka killing centre? Random.

        Comment by Alan — January 25, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

        • You wrote “why wouldn’t the camp be closer or at Małkinia Górna, which is the hub, why even go to Treblinka?” Excellent question! Małkinia Górna was a “Y junction” which means a split in the tracks where trains could change directions. It was not a “railroad hub.” I wrote about this in this post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/malkinia-junction-where-the-trains-to-treblinka-stopped/

          Auschwitz was a “railroad hub” and that is why Auschwitz served as a transit camp, as well as an extermination camp. The Jews, who were not gassed at Auschwitz, were put on another train and taken from Auschwitz to labor camps in Germany; there are many Holocaust survivor books which mention this. There was a huge number of barracks at Birkenau for the Jews who were waiting to be sent to labor camps; there were no factories at Birkenau.

          Treblinka is a small village. There were several other villages in the vicinity of the Treblinka camp. The camp was closer to the junction than it was to the village of Treblinka.

          The question that you should be asking is “Why didn’t the Nazis kill the Jews in the city of Warsaw?” They could have burned the bodies in cremation ovens in Warsaw, instead of burying them 30 feet deep at Treblinka, then digging them up and burning them, using wood from the surrounding trees.

          Why did the Nazis bring Jews from Greece to Treblinka to kill them? Why not just kill them in Greece? Why bring the Dutch Jews to Treblinka? Why not kill them at the Westerbork camp? What a waste of trains, to transport Jews to Treblinka which had limited facilities. There were plenty of barracks at Birkenau to house the Jews who were waiting to be gassed. Why not just send all the trains to the railroad hub at Auschwitz?

          You mentioned Treblinka’s “2 sister camps.” One of these sister camps was Sobibor which was close to Majdanek. Why set up a camp near Majdanek, instead of just sending the Jews to Majdanek where there were plenty of gas chambers to kill the Jews and plenty of ovens to burn the bodies? The clothing taken from the Jews in the Operation Reinhard camps was sent to Majdanek where there were many disinfection chambers. Why bother with sending the clothes by train when the Jews could have been sent to Majdanek, still wearing those clothes. The disinfection chambers at Majdanek were in a building right next to the gas chamber building. I find it strange that the Germans, who are noted for being efficient, sent the Jews to Sobibor to be killed and then sent the clothes to Majdanek to be disinfected. Sobibor, Belzec and Treblinka were all very near the Bug river which was the dividing line between the railroad tracks of different gauges in that part of Europe. Was it just a coincidence that the Operation Reinhard camps were all close to the Bug river?

          Comment by furtherglory — January 26, 2012 @ 7:33 am

    • I’m sorry that you are “very disappointed” with my posts. You wrote: “is that all you have?” Since you have not been following my blog for very long, you might have missed this post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/the-remarkable-story-of-ben-helfgott-a-buchenwald-orphan/

      Strangely, there were adults, who were capable of working, but were sent instead to Treblinka. Yet, their little children, who were barely capable of doing any work, were sent to Buchenwald. Some of the children were kept in the orphan’s barrack where they were taken care of by the other prisoners, but some of the children were sent to sub-camps of Buchenwald. Shouldn’t it have been the other way around? Kill the children and let the adults live so that they could be put to work. Instead, the children were allowed to live and some are still alive and writing Holocaust survivor books.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 25, 2012 @ 3:50 pm

      • so what if a few boys were sent there instead of straight to Treblinka? Look at the kids in the Czech family camp and even the Roma camp at Birkenau, the Nazis did all kinds of strange and seeming incompatible actions, but they all had a purpose, possibly for propaganda or separate families. What has this got to do with anything? Please explain yourself?

        Comment by Alan — January 25, 2012 @ 4:23 pm

        • O.K. I will explain myself. I find it strange that the Nazis would transport adults, who were capable of working, to some God-forsaken spot in the woods (Treblinka) and kill them through an inefficient method (diesel engine exhaust) while at the same time, sending 5-year-old children to Buchenwald so that they could live to provide future generations of Jews. That doesn’t make sense to me. It makes me suspicious that maybe the adults were given a shower and a change of clothing, then sent across the Bug river, into the territory which the Germans had recently taken from the Soviet Union, where they were put to work, helping the Germans who were trying to win a war.

          I do not find it strange that the Czechs and the Roma were allowed to live together as families at Birkenau. Nor do I find it strange that the Communist political prisoners were allowed to run the Buchenwald camp, since the Nazis needed men for fighting the war and could not afford to have very many men running the camps. Some of the older Jewish children were sent to the sub-camps of Buchenwald where they could work. Their parents were probably sent to dig anti-tank ditches or some other heavy work while the children in the sub-camps of Buchenwald did some light work in a factory.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 26, 2012 @ 6:57 am

  9. WARNING: This disgusting foul mouthed Nazi has the gall to cock a snook at Caroline Sturdy Coll’s heroic forensic archeology at Treblinka. He also makes fun of French Catholic priest Fr. Patrick Desbois moving book The Holocaust by Bullets: A Priest’s Journey to Uncover the Truth Behind the Murder of 1.5 Million Jews. The swastikas all over this hate filled website say it all. We can only hope that US laws being prepared now to ban this kind of talk are passed soon because free speech can never be free when it’s poisoned by Nazi lies like these: http://www.thethirdcraft.org/?p=22972

    Comment by who+dares+wings — January 25, 2012 @ 12:01 pm

    • well said… 🙂

      Comment by Alan — January 25, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  10. Sorry, but where you see mass graves? I see only several media articles about mass graves, that had been found, but cannot be excavated because alleged Jewish law which prohibite excavation of burial sites, this law simply don´t exist and is used as an excuse

    So where is report on these mass graves? Where are locations? Where are bodies and content of alleged mass graves? Where are data? Where is something? I see only articles in media which were brought up because Holocaust remembrance day is coming.

    This only prove one thing, they still don´t know where are alleged mass graves which contain remains of at least 870,000 victims, exactly like revisionists say, because they simply don´t exist.

    Comment by Bob — January 25, 2012 @ 5:50 am

    • Here you are Bob, here’s some of the data. I’m sure a full report will be published in a peer reviewed journal… let me know if you need any more help chasing down info/data or if you have any questions for me on the topic, cheers

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363

      Comment by Alan — January 25, 2012 @ 2:28 pm

      • I know it, but no report, no data, no locations of mass graves, no excavations, no confirmation of remains of cca 870,000 victims which are still there. This investigation is ridiculous, they even can´t locate human remains, only disturbances.

        How hard is to locate mass graves of hundreds of thousands of victims in area of only 1,4 hectare, because this is area of extermination Camp 2 as drawn by Lukaszikiewicz, even if this whole area of 14,000 square meters would be grave 7m deep, it would hardly contain only 588,000 victims with density 6 bodies per cubic meter and this is only generous theoretical guess.

        So where is problem to locate it? I know, they don´t exist.

        Comment by Bob — January 25, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

      • “http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363”

        Funny article you’ve posted here. All these allegations are presented as ‘facts’ but the map only indicates “probable” areas. Not as ‘factual’ as said by media, it seems. 😉

        It’s also said that ashes and bone fragments mixed with sand were found but no photo of them is inserted in the article. Do you think that if bone fragments were really vsible, there wouldn’t any photo of them?

        Comment by kaz — July 15, 2012 @ 11:58 am

        • When I was at Treblinka, I looked closely at the ground, hoping to get a close-up photo of ashes with bone fragments, but I saw nothing there. I asked my tour guide where the ashes were located and she told me that they were under the symbolic cemetery.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 15, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  11. The revisionists are reeling, backing away from the legendary Krege Report. This is indeed “Good News!” because hate is really on the run now. Let’s chase it down and destroy it forever with stricter anti-hate speech legislation like the kind they have in Europe. A good place to begin would be a bill to ban The Barnes Review which is “hate central” for Holocaust deniers. Read what they have to say about Caroline Sturdy Colls’ non-ground breaking discoveries here: http://barnesreview.org/wp/archives/243

    Comment by who+dares+wings — January 24, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

    • Thanks for the link. I don’t think that anyone denies that some people died at Treblinka. The Jews were brought on trains that were 60 cars long. Then 20 cars at a time were backed into the camp while the people in the other cars waited all day in the heat with no water to drink. Of course, lots of people died from the heat and lack of water. When I visited Treblinka, I was told that the bodies of people who died before they got to the gas chambers were buried in one section of the camp. It is my understanding that these bodies were not exhumed. But these graves were not visible when I was there.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 25, 2012 @ 7:01 am

    • their time is running out… this kid of blog will all be extinct soon…furtherglory’s stance, to pretend he is anti-revisionist is such a lame attempt to appear to be objective… but the hate and the racism and bigotry and the jealousy of the rebirth of the Jewish people is so obvious in his blogs… so weak.

      Comment by Alan — January 25, 2012 @ 2:17 pm

      • If Treblinka is exhumed and reveals the remains of 700,000 – 800,000 corpses, maybe…

        Comment by Holocaust Denier — January 25, 2012 @ 7:53 pm


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