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January 26, 2012

January 27th is International Holocaust Remembrance Day

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 4:08 pm

In honor of International Holocaust Remembrance Day on January 27th, I am posting some of the photos that I took in 1998 and in 2005 at Auschwitz, the main extermination camp of the Holocaust. Auschwitz was liberated on January 27th, 1945 by soldiers of the Soviet Union.

Ruins of Krema II gas chamber at Auschwitz II, aka Birkenau

Early morning photo of the ruins of Krema III at Birkenau

The Germans marched 60,000 prisoners out of the three camps in the Auschwitz complex on January 18, 1945.  They came back twice, on January 20th and again on January 26th, to blow up the gas chambers in order to destroy the evidence.  

The photo below was taken in 1998. It shows a sculpture in the administration building in the main Auschwitz camp.

1998 photo of sculpture in main Auschwitz camp

International Monument at Birkenau is between Krem II and Krema III gas chambers

Women's camp at Birkenau, built by Russian POWs

Steam cabinets for disinfecting clothes at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Ruins of a brick stove in a barracks at Birkenau

Sign warns of danger from fences at main Auschwitz camp

Place where roll call was held at main Auschwitz camp; sentry box and camp kitchen in background

1998 photo of door through which victims entered the gas chamber in the main camp

Ruins of Krema II at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Building which housed the theater at the main Auschwitz camp

Inside a barracks building at Birkenau

Gate into Birkenau camp, known as The Gate of Death

Kitchen at Auschwitz main camp, 2005 photo

The back side of Block 11 at the Auschwitz main camp

View of gas chamber in main Auschwitz camp, looking toward the entrance door for the victims

Ruins of Krema III at Birkenau shows entrance for SS men in center of photo

50 Comments

  1. “Aktion Reinhard”, or better “Einsatz Reinhardt” has very little to do with official Holocaust story. It was named after Fritz Reinhardt (with a “t”), State Secretary of Ministry of Finance, who requested financial, economic and demographic reports from every official in General-Government of Poland. That was a hassle for everyone, who likes to write reports? Also, let’s remember, that SS did not have financial responsibility over economy of G-G, but German State did. Fritz Reinhardt was the man in position, who would make economic and financial decisions as far, as how much of funds will be distributed and where they will be applied. Of course, the commandants of concentration camps would have to submit their reports, as well.
    Makes perfect sense to me.
    What does not make sense is, why would Germans name the operation using first name of someone instead the last name. This appears to be very “un-German”. If the operation named after Reinhard Heydrich, they would call it “Einsatz Heydrich”.
    There are lots of controversy regarding real spelling of Heydrich’s first name, with or without a “t” at the end. But, the whole story, that Germans would name their operation using only first name of their slain leader, seems to be extremely far-fetched.

    Comment by Gasan — January 28, 2012 @ 9:52 am

  2. Happy Ho£ocaust Day everybody

    Comment by Black Rabbit — January 26, 2012 @ 11:14 pm

    • Today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day – the day that recalls the moment 70 years ago when at a luxurious villa on the shores of a pastoral lake in one of the suburbs of Berlin played host to 10 senior officials of the German Third Reich.
      These were the men who met over breakfast and matter-of-factly decided to annihilate the Jewish people.We also recall how they decided on the ways to accomplish this and we remember how close they came to achieving their goal.
      Throughout the dark period of the Völkermord we have the honour to commemorate this year a remarkable human being. An individual whose heroism saved thousands.
      Raoul Wallenberg, who was born 100 years ago, could have led a life of luxury, coming as he did from a prominent aristocratic banking family in Sweden. But it was not his destiny to be a hero, to save the lives of thousands of strangers: that was his choice.
      In the spring of 1944, the Western world was awakening to the horrors of the Holocaust as authenticated eyewitness reports of the Auschwitz extermination camp were circulated.
      Raoul Wallenberg decided to lead the mission to try to save the Jews of Hungary from the Nazi death camps following Hitler’s invasion of March 1944.
      Fortunately, Wallenberg did not have to start his mission from scratch. Per Anger, a junior diplomat at the Swedish Legation, had already started passing out provisional passports to Jews who had relatives or business colleagues in Sweden. Per Anger also issued special certificates to Jews who had applied for Swedish citizenship.
      One of Wallenberg’s first tasks as the head of the legation department for assisting the Jews was to design a Swedish protective pass. These documents had no real standing in international law. However, Wallenberg had an excellent understanding of NS bureaucracy due to his previous business dealing in Germany and German-occupied France. He knew that the official looking at passes, with stamps, signatures and the coat of arms of Sweden, would command respect. Wallenberg managed to negotiate a quota of 4500 passes with the Hungarian authorities, yet he actuality issued three times as many.
      Wallenberg didn’t stop at issuing protective passes. He opened “Swedish Houses” where Jews could hide. Protected only by a flag and Wallenberg’s declaration that these buildings were Swedish territory, 15,000 Jews were given refuge.
      Though the end of World War II was in sight, the extermination of the Jews continued. SS officer Adolf Eichmann, who was in charge of implementing the “Final Solution” of European Jews, instituted death marches to deport the Jews of Hungary.
      Raoul Wallenberg did not remain passive in the face of this horrendous crime. He chased the marches in his car, handing out food, clothing, medicine and his special passes. Using threats and bribes, he rescued those Jews who possessed Swedish passes, taking them back to Budapest despite being threatened himself with the guns of the Iron Cross guards.
      When deportations took place by train, Wallenberg displayed extraordinary courage, climbing onto railcars bound for Auschwitz and handing protective passes to the Jews already inside the train. He would then demand that the Jews with passes be taken off the trains. All this under the watchful eyes of armed soldiers.
      Eichmann planned to massacre all the Jews in the largest ghetto in mid-January 1945. Wallenberg found out about the plot and went into action. Unable to stop the massacre by himself, he turned to the only person who could, the commander-in-chief of German troops in Hungary, General August Schmidthuber.
      Using a trusted go-between, Wallenberg sent a letter to the general, threatening that if the massacre was carried out, he would be held personally responsible and tried as a war criminal when WWII was over. The threat worked, and the massacre was cancelled at the last minute.

      After the war, Wallenberg should have returned to Sweden a hero. Sadly, that was not to be. On January 17, 1945, Wallenberg was escorted by Soviet troops to their military headquarters east of Budapest.
      On his way, he told one of his colleagues that he was not sure if he was going to be the Russians’ guest or their prisoner. Raoul Wallenberg has been missing since that day. His fate is unknown.

      Fortunately, Wallenberg did not have to start his mission from scratch. Per Anger, a junior diplomat at the Swedish Legation, had already started passing out provisional passports to Jews who had relatives or business colleagues in Sweden. Per Anger also issued special certificates to Jews who had applied for Swedish citizenship.

      One of Wallenberg’s first tasks as the head of the legation department for assisting the Jews was to design a Swedish protective pass. These documents had no real standing in international law. However, Wallenberg had an excellent understanding of Nazi bureaucracy due to his previous business dealing in Germany and Nazi-occupied France. He knew that the official looking passes, with stamps, signatures and the coat of arms of Sweden, would command respect. Wallenberg managed to negotiate a quota of 4500 passes with the Hungarian authorities, yet in actuality issued three times as many.

      Wallenberg didn’t stop at issuing protective passes. He opened “Swedish Houses” where Jews could hide. Protected only by a flag and Wallenberg’s declaration that these buildings were Swedish territory, 15,000 Jews were given refuge.

      Though the end of World War II was in sight, the extermination of the Jews continued. SS officer Adolf Eichmann, who was in charge of implementing the “Final Solution” of European Jews, instituted death marches to deport the Jews of Hungary.

      Raoul Wallenberg did not remain passive in the face of this horrendous crime. He chased the marches in his car, handing out food, clothing, medicine and his special passes. Using threats and bribes, he rescued those Jews who possessed Swedish passes, taking them back to Budapest despite being threatened himself with the guns of the Iron Cross guards.

      When deportations took place by train, Wallenberg displayed extraordinary courage, climbing onto railcars bound for Auschwitz and handing protective passes to the Jews already inside the train. He would then demand that the Jews with passes be taken off the trains. All this under the watchful eyes of armed Nazi soldiers.

      Eichmann planned to massacre all the Jews in the largest ghetto in mid-January 1945. Wallenberg found out about the plot and went into action. Unable to stop the massacre by himself, he turned to the only person who could, the commander-in-chief of German troops in Hungary, General August Schmidthuber.

      Using a trusted go-between, Wallenberg sent a letter to the general, threatening that if the massacre was carried out, he would be held personally responsible and tried as a war criminal when WWII was over. The threat worked, and the massacre was cancelled at the last minute.

      After the war, Wallenberg should have returned to Sweden a hero. Sadly, that was not to be. On January 17, 1945, Wallenberg was escorted by Soviet troops to their military headquarters east of Budapest.

      On his way, he told one of his colleagues that he was not sure if he was going to be the Russians’ guest or their prisoner. Raoul Wallenberg has been missing since that day; his fate never disclosed.

      Commemorating 100 years to Raoul Wallenberg’s birth, we remember his legacy to humankind and the light that can shine even in the darkest of eras. He was a remarkable man during an era we must remember to never forget.

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — January 27, 2012 @ 2:33 am

      • PS>:
        I sorry I doubled up on my pre-written comment

        Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — January 27, 2012 @ 2:43 am

        • “These were the men who met over breakfast and matter-of-factly decided to annihilate the Jewish people.”

          So the decision to kill all the Jews in Europe had nothing to do with Hitler then?

          Comment by Black Rabbit — January 27, 2012 @ 6:55 am

          • It was Goering who ordered the Wannsee Conference. As David Irving famously wrote: Hitler didn’t know about the Holocaust until 1943. There were 15 men at the Conference. Goering testified at the Nuremberg IMT that the purpose of the conference was to plan the “evacuation of the Jews to the East,” by way of the three Aktion Reinhard “transit camps.” The Nazis always spoke in euphemisms. Some of the 15 men at the Conference didn’t even know the real meaning of the euphemisms that were used. At the Nuremberg IMT, Goering denied the real meaning of “evacuation to the East,” which, as everyone now knows, meant the genocide of the Jews.

            Comment by furtherglory — January 27, 2012 @ 8:35 am

            • “The Nazis always spoke in euphemisms. Some of the 15 men at the Conference didn’t even know the real meaning of the euphemisms that were used. At the Nuremberg IMT, Goering denied the real meaning of “evacuation to the East,” which, as everyone now knows, meant the genocide of the Jews.”

              You believe in this code language?

              Comment by Bob — January 27, 2012 @ 10:01 am

  3. Given the choice of fleeing with their murderous captors, or staying behind to be liberated by the Red Army why did Elie Wiesel and Primo Levi chose to leave with the Germans?

    Comment by who+dares+wings — January 26, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

    • The reason given is because of the rumor that all who stayed behind would be shot as soon as the others left.

      Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 26, 2012 @ 6:47 pm

    • There were curious, what Buchenwald gas chambers look like and went on a free tour

      Comment by Gasan — January 26, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

    • Primo Levi did not leave with the Germans. He was too sick to join the march.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 27, 2012 @ 6:17 am

  4. “to blow up the gas chambers in order to destroy the evidence.”

    Don´t agree, they blowed Kremas, gas chamber in Krema II was only damaged. They did not blow alleged chamber in Block 11, they did not blow Krema I (already altered to air raid shelter) They did not blow many gas chambers in different camps, why?

    They blowed only Kremas to avoid using them by Soviets for propaganda purposes like in Majdanek, where ovens were intact and used for propaganda. In order to hide evidence they would blow every gas chamber, but they didn´t, instead of this, they destroyed only Crematoria and ovens. Ovens in Krema I were laready dismantled, so no need to destroy this Crematorium/gas chamber. This is another false claim from exterminationists to support extermination myth, no hiding of evidence.

    Make perfect sense to me.
    http://www.codoh.com/gcgv/gcgvdest.html

    Regarding the entryway to gas chamber in Krema I, from what I know, they claimed that entryway for victims was door which was added during air raid shelter conversion (so impossible to enter using door which did not exist) so they changed it and entryway was from former washroom?

    Comment by Bob — January 26, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

    • Bob,
      I put together a book titled “Auschwitz: The Underground Guided Tour, What the Tour Guides don’t tell you at Auschwitz-Birkenau,” available at The Barnes Review and Codoh Bookstore. There is a page about this in it. The Germans didn’t come back and blow up the Kremas II and III; these buidings were blown up by the Soviets after they arrived. When, exactly, is unknown.

      Where is the evidence that the SS did this destruction? There were ‘survivors’ remaining there until the Russians arrived. Did they say they saw the Germans there or they heard explosions? Maybe some did say that. Did anyone ask them?

      These were not gas chambers, so the Russians destroyed them so they could SAY they were gas chambers, with no one being able to prove otherwise. They remodeled Krema I in the main camp so they could call it a gas chamber. It’s all so obvious. But furtherglory insists on following the offical line. He also likes to show his photos of the ugly, soviet style monuments. Gad, they’re ugly. But maybe he’s making the point that that is all there is to photograph, for the most part, and all the visitors take pictures of these ugly monuments as some kind of proof of the holocaust.

      Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 26, 2012 @ 6:45 pm

      • “Birkenau also has a pool, which few have seen, but now sports a similar sign. The water in the pool would hardly have been sufficient for fire-fighting in a camp with 300 buildings.”

        – Your Auschwitz book, page 30.

        There was no pool at Birkenau, but there are identical fire-fighting reservoirs in Compounds BIIA, BIIB, BIIC, BIID, BIIE, BIA and alongside BIA and BIB

        The Soviets had a field-day making propaganda with the crematoria at Majdanek, so its likely the Germans did destroy the crematoria just to denied the Soviets easy propaganda photos.

        Comment by Black Rabbit — January 26, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

        • When I visited Birkenau in 1998, I saw a rectangular pool along the main camp road. I asked my guide if this was a swimming pool, and she said that it was a reservoir for fighting fires. When I returned in 2005, the pool was no longer there.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 27, 2012 @ 6:15 am

          • There’s still two rectangular pools by the road, on the left when heading from the “Gate of Death” to Krema II & III.

            I didn’t get pictures, as both times I passed by them it was too late, as it was dark. But I got photos of the one in the Quarantine camp. And you can see the others on Google Earth.
            http://auschwitz-2012.blogspot.com/2012/01/auschwitz-2-quarantine.html
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            Carlo Mottogno quotes a June 1944 German document which ordered the fire-brigade reservoirs at Birkenau, and he has a photo of one of the rectangular pool along the main camp road.

            (Please excuse the very Dodgy Google Chrome translation from Italian):

            “at Auschwitz The origin of the pool has therefore nothing to do with insurance companies and fire precautions, though, in case necessary, could be used for fire , but this applied to all containers and bodies of water existing in the relevant field. It was essentially a pool and not a tank fire, as the tanks of Birkenau were essentially tanks fire, no swimming pools, even if you could swim.”
            http://studirevisionisti.myblog.it/piscina-di-auschwitz/

            Comment by Black Rabbit — January 27, 2012 @ 6:53 am

            • The pool that I saw in 1998 was on the left. In 2005, I went over to the women’s baracks and that’s probably how I missed the pools in 2005 — I didn’t walk on the road the whole way. Coming back on the road, there were a lot of people and I was trying not to gawk too much so I wouldn’t bump into people.

              Comment by furtherglory — January 27, 2012 @ 8:22 am

        • Black Rabbit: “The Soviets had a field-day making propaganda with the crematoria at Majdanek, so its likely the Germans did destroy the crematoria just to denied the Soviets easy propaganda photos.”

          It’s likely? Is that what you go by — by what seems logical in your own reasoning? Where is the evidence that the SS returned and blew up two Kremas? In that picture in my book, taken from the film by a Polish cameraman with the Soviet Army, the crematorium chimneys are visible in the distance. I would like to see some evidence, not what people believe, so these questions can be answered.

          Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 27, 2012 @ 10:33 am

          • Caroline.

            Here’s the evidence simply laid out of why those chimneys couldn’t be of Krema IV or V.

            They’re chimneys from the stoves in the 2 of the 30 warehouses in Canada II.
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            Here’s what Carlo Mottogno wrote on the Germans destroying Auschwitz’s crematoria:

            The Soviets had already tried out the tremendous propagandistic
            power of pictures after they had liberated the Lublin-Majdanek camp.
            When the Red Army entered that camp on July 23, 1944, they found the
            gigantic Kori oven intact with its five muffles as well as stores holding
            some 800,000 pairs of shoes. On the basis of a technically foolish “assessment”
            of the cremation capacity of the oven and assuming that the
            shoes had belonged to assassinated victims, the Soviets changed Lublin-
            Majdanek into an extermination camp which had swallowed 1.5 million
            victims. Soon the world’s newspapers were filled with pictures of the
            oven and the pile of shoes, which were presented as the visible and irrefutable
            “proof” of the immense extermination that had allegedly taken
            place there.

            The Germans, too, had experienced the suggestive power of these
            images, although at their expense, and so they blew up the Birkenau
            crematoria before abandoning the Auschwitz complex and set fire to the
            storage barracks of the Effektenlager, which held the goods taken from
            the detainees and which all burned down except for six of them.

            CFS. p.558.
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            “At the war conference later that day (October 27, 1944) Press Chief Otto Dietrich showed Hitler an English newspaper which reported a claim by Moscow that 1,500,000 people had been liquidated in a concentration camp at Majdanek, which the Red Army had overrun, near Lublin; by way of evidence, there was a photograph of neat stacks of combs. A hush fell on the war conference. Hitler angrily laid the newspaper aside: ‘That’s the “hacked-off hands” again – pure enemy propaganda!’ (He told Sonnleitner after the conference that Allied propaganda had claimed in 1914 that German troops marching into Belgium had cut off babies’ hands and hung the children upside down in church bells as clappers.”

            – Hitler’s War (2001 edition) David Irving. page 754
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            This is the sort of thing he would have been looking at:

            The Milwaukee Journal
            Aug 30, 1944

            “1,500,000 Perished at German Murder Camp, Poles, Reds Say”

            Comment by Black Rabbit — January 27, 2012 @ 12:49 pm

            • Black Rabbit,

              I just saw this reply. Not Cremas IV and V, but Cremas II and III. Those are the ones that are blown up. From just where you said the filming was done is where those chimney’s might be seen. However, looking at the photo with this information from you and others, the chimney’s do look closer … not that far away.

              I was at Birkenau and saw a lot of barracks chimneys; they were not so high. I also wouldn’t think the clothing warehouses would have such tall chimneys for their stoves; they would be the same as a regular barracks. Distance in photographs can be misleading, certainly. Also, I have terrible spacial orientation. However, it remains speculative, even though individuals are convinced of their positions. I have not seen a really good analysis of that photograph, as to what we are looking at and when. The Red Army arrived on Jan. 27th; I would doubt a cameraman was along with them on that day. I have heard that the first arrivals did not even know what it was.

              Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 29, 2012 @ 5:47 pm

              • I have a photo on my web site which shows the clothing warehouses burning. There are two chimneys in the photo. The photo is on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Liberation.html Scroll down, it is near the bottom of the page. You are correct that the first Soviet soldiers who arrived did not have cameras. The photos were taken much later and allegedly, the warehouses were still burning after the Germans set fire to them before they left. The whole liberation story sounds suspicious to me. I suspect that it was the Soviets who blew up the crematorium building and set fire to the warehouses.

                Comment by furtherglory — January 30, 2012 @ 6:27 am

                • The Germans would have been aware of the Vrba-Wetlzer Report, details of it was published in the New York Times June 1944. And the full report was published in Nov 1944.

                  It states:

                  “At present there are four crematoria in operation at BIRKENAU, two large ones, I and II, and two smaller ones, III and IV. Those of type I and II consist of 3 parts, i.e.,: (A) the furnace room; (B) the large halls; and (C) the gas chamber. A huge chimney rises from the furnace room around which are grouped nine furnaces, each having four openings.”

                  The Germans knew the Allies were claiming they gassed Jews at Birkenau, the Germans were only too aware of the propaganda the Soviets had made from the piles of shoes they found at Majdanek, so it’s inconceivable the Germans wouldn’t have blown-up the crematoria. The Soviets then had to make do with photos of delousing chamber doors, and pass them off as homicidal gas chamber doors.
                  http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/pressac0047.shtml

                  Have you ever seen the Henryk Makarewicz film? Was it definitely shot “immediately after the camp was liberated.”? This book doesn’t say that:
                  http://tinyurl.com/7nvg6pw

                  As much as I respect your opinion furtherglory, I can’t agree with you on this. The Soviet propagandists would have loved to have had those buildings for photo ops. Whilst the Germans would have had every incentive to make sure the Soviets didn’t get the opportunity.

                  Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — February 1, 2012 @ 4:02 am

      • I made this question too, where are proof that Germans destroyed it, but I later dropped it since revisionists accept that are blown up by Germans, so I assumed that they have better information and crematoria were really destroyed by Germans it make sense to me, if someone have better information, let me know.

        Yes, I know your guide.

        Comment by Bob — January 27, 2012 @ 12:40 am

        • Bob: Which revisionists accept it was blown up by Germans? There is no such thing as revisionists who all say the same thing. Give a reference. At least, FG always speaks from his own experience in touring the camps and taking his own photographs. If not, then he gives the book or other source he’s getting info from.

          Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 27, 2012 @ 10:39 am

          • You missed it here for example
            http://www.codoh.com/gcgv/gcgvdest.html

            I saw this many times from other revsionists, sorry, don´t have direct quotes. But I have no problem with this since this is logical from Germans. And no strawman please, i did not claim that all revisionists accept this, thanks.

            If you don´t agree, can you tell me why Soviets (or someone else) destroyed Kremas/gas chambers? Why didn´t they altered them to support extermination myth instead of destruction?

            Sorry, but FG can´t know from photos who blowed crematoria.

            Comment by Bob — January 27, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

            • No I didn’t miss that. It’s still inconclusive. And I’m not setting up strawmen, I just object when people say “revisionists” as though all are in agreement. Therefore you should say who, or at least preface it with “some.” In this case, if you polled all major revisionists, perhaps they would agree.

              I don’t have any problem believing the Soviets would not want to bother altering them — look at the trouble they had altering Crema 1. And now it proves they faked it. If they accuse the SS of blowing up the others to “cover their crimes,” it’s easier for them and no mistakes to have to be dealt with later. Maybe the layout wasn’t conducive to what a gas chamber would have to be,

              Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 29, 2012 @ 6:08 pm

              • Ok, Carolyn, but you must read only what I am writing and not to do your own unfounded conclusions, I really didn´t mean all revisionists.

                They had problem to alter Krema I since this Krema was converted to air raid shelter with lot of changes. But Krema II was not converted to anything so they could easily to alter chamber to support their propaganda or they at least could use ovens in Kremas for proppaganda purposes as they did in Majdanek, but they didn´t and they blowed up them? This doesn´t make any sense, I don´t see any evidence for it, I don´t mean material or documental but at least logical reason why they did it. But destroying by Germans make sense.

                What is your proof that Soviets altered Krema I, why not Poles?

                Comment by Bob — January 30, 2012 @ 6:33 am

                • It is my understanding that the Germans took the roofs off the oven rooms in Krema II and Krema III and lifted the ovens out with cranes, way back in November 1944. So the ovens were not blown up. Allegedly, the Crematorium building at Majdanek was burned down by the Germans, but the ovens didn’t burn. This allegation sounds suspicious to me. I suspect that the Soviets burned the Majanek crematorium.

                  I don’t think that destroying the crematoria at Birkenau makes sense. Why destroy the evidence and allow 60,000 witnesses to march out of the camp? Why allow the last Sonderkommando men to live and march them out of the camp, since they were the best witnesses?

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 30, 2012 @ 6:45 am

                • Furtherglory – myabe little misunderstanding, see my first post here
                  https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/january-27th-is-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/#comment-6403

                  They did not blow them to cover evidence and i never told this, so no problem to let witnesses behind since they didn´t cover any crime, they only wanted to get rid of the crematory and ovens to avoid using them for propaganda by Germans in Majdanek. In Krema I, the ovens were already dismantled from air-raid shelter conversion, this is reason why they didn´t blow it. Destroying by Germans make sense, but destroying by Soviets not, at least nobody was able to explain why would they do this.

                  From air photo is visible that they partly dismantled crematoria

                  I dont remember the source which told this, but they dismantled even roofof also alleged “undressing room”, but they didn´t dismantled roof of alleged gas chamber which is the most important evidence. This also prove that they didn´t cover anything. They also left documents of ZBL and thousands of witnesses.

                  Whole story about covering evidence is nonsense based on evidence and logic.

                  Comment by Bob — January 30, 2012 @ 7:34 am

                • That is an interesting theory: that the Germans blew up the crematoria at Birkenau to prevent the Soviets from using these buildings to spread propaganda. I don’t agree with that theory.

                  Who burned down the warehouses in the Canada section of Birkenau? And why?

                  Comment by furtherglory — January 31, 2012 @ 7:08 am

                • furtherglory – Why don´t you agree? What is your explanation for their demolishing?

                  Don´t know who burned down warehouses since I was never interested in this issue. if someone claim that Germans, why did not they burned thousands and thousands of boots and property in Majdanek? Is known, that Majdanek´s shoes and property were used for propaganda too, so maybe Germans wanted to avoid this problem in Birkenau, who knows.

                  Tell me you theory about crematoria and warehouses. Thanks.

                  Comment by Bob — February 1, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

                • My theory is that Krema II, Krema III and Krema V were blown up by the Soviets after the Germans marched the prisoners out. My theory is based on my life-long observation of German-American and German people and how they act. They do not leave important tasks until the last minute. The gassing of the prisoners stopped in October 1944 and the ovens were removed in November 1944. The crematoria were not blown up until after the Germans left the camp, and the official story is that the Germans came back TWICE and blew them up on two separate days. What? They didn’t bring enough dynamite on the first trip? That is so unlike the way German people do things.

                  I have read in several books that the Soviets arrived in the area on January 17, 1945 and were in the area for 10 days before they “liberated” the prisoners on January 27, 1945. I have read at least one Holocaust survivor book which said that the warehouses were still there AFTER the Germans left on January 18, 1945. I believe that the Soviets burned down the warehouses. With all the evidence gone, no one could dispute the Soviet testimony at the Nuremberg IMT that 4 million people had been killed at Auschwitz.

                  The same thing happened at Dachau. The American liberators modified the shower room during several days in the camp before they made the film of the gas chamber that was shown at Nuremberg. We now know that the Dachau gas chamber was created after the Americans arrived; after tourists stole all the shower heads and exposed the holes in the ceiling, we can now see that the shower heads were not connected to the pipes. Why didn’t the Germans blow up the Dachau gas chamber before they left the camp the day before the Americans arrived? I have blogged about both of these subjects.

                  The Sauna building at Birkenau was kept off limits to tourists for 60 years. Why? The Sauna building was where the clothes were disinfected. Why weren’t tourists allowed to know that the Germans were trying to prevent typhus epidemics?

                  Also, keep in mind that the last group of Sonderkommandos were marched out of the Birkenau camp and I think a couple of them are still living. Why did the Germans allow these witnesses to live? At Dachau, the Sonderkommandos that worked in the crematorium were also allowed to live. Why weren’t they killed to prevent their eye-witness testimony? They continued to work in the Dachau crematorium and they complained to the Americans that they were not being treated as well as they had been treated by the Nazis.

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 2, 2012 @ 8:02 am

                • You have made several good and strong points which support that Soviets had motivation to destroy empty crematoria since the ovens were dismantled, I forgot this important point. Regarding the warehouses, why to burn them by Soviets? They were empty? If they were full, why to burn warehouses full of property, this can be easily used for propaganda. If they were empty, this could be reason to burn them and then say that were full of property and Germans tried to cover evidence.

                  About the survivng of so called “sonderkommandos”, there is no problem with their surving, since Germnas did not covered alleged proofs of crime since no gassings happened according to revsionists, is logical that they survived and now they lie to us, because if they were really eyewitnesses to this crime, they would be killed on the spot.

                  As I have said, you made good points and now I am not sure who blowed crematoria, which were already dismantled and without the ovens so it wasn´t possible to use them for any propaganda.

                  Comment by Bob — February 2, 2012 @ 8:54 am

                • With regard to the warehouses, I have written about that on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Birkenau03B.html

                  Note that I have quoted a Holocaust survivor who says the warehouses were still there, and not on fire, when the Soviets arrived. I also quoted the USHMM which explains how some of the clothing and shoes were in warehouse buildings that didn’t burn; this clothing is now in the Museum in the main camp. If the Germans had burned the warehouses, would they have been considerate enough to leave behind evidence for a Museum? Maybe. The Germans are nice people; they might have wanted to leave behind evidence of their crimes for a Museum which eventually millions of people could see.

                  On the page of my website that I cited, you can see a photo of the clothes that were left behind at the Sauna, where the clothes were disinfected. Maybe the clothing and shoes in the Museum was taken from the Sauna before it was closed up for 60 years. The shoes in the Museum are deteriorating and so is the hair. This proves that the hair was subjected to Zyklon-B; the Museum claims that this is hair cut from the Jews after they were gassed. I don’t think the Germans would have done it that way. They would have cut the hair off before taking the Jews to the gas chamber; this way, they would not have had to clean the hair after the gassing. When people die, all their body fluids are expelled, so the hair would have been full of blood, shit, etc.

                  Note that I give both sides of the story on my website — the official story of the Holocaust and other information which is not usually included in the official story. My website is not a denial site, nor a revisionist site.

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 2, 2012 @ 10:00 am

                • Thanks, useful info about the warehouses. So you think that they were empty when set on fire?

                  Yes, i know, that is what I like about your scrapbook project, it contain official narrative and also lot of “inconvenient” information which are supressed, I don´t mean just revisionists information, but information from official narrative which contradict story or make problems to orthodox view like inconvenient testimonies, documents and etc., Your project is neutral but this don´t prevent some peoples from calling you denier as I saw several times.

                  If i am right and I base my question on your blog and comments, you don´t believe in this extermination crime, correct? If you don´t want to answer, no problem.

                  Comment by Bob — February 2, 2012 @ 10:53 am

                • This is like asking me if I believe that the mother of Jesus was a virgin. I do not disrespect any religion — neither Christianity nor Holocaustianity. I believe that Mary was a virgin and I believe that 6 million Jews were killed, mostly in gas chambers. I don’t know what the Muslims believe, but whatever it is, I believe in it. I am not a heretic.

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 2, 2012 @ 11:18 am

                • I forgot one question, why there are visible only two chimneys when both crematoria have four chimneys, each of them have two, why only two chimneys on the photo of burning warehouse?

                  Comment by Bob — February 2, 2012 @ 10:58 am

                • The warehouses were very close to Krema IV. Krema V was farther away and across the road from Krema IV. I am in the process of updating that page of my website. I now think that the chimneys might have been part of two of the warehouse buildings. Krema IV had already been blown up by the prisoners. In any case, I have deleted that sentence from my web site because I am not sure why there are chimneys in the photo. Hit reload to refresh the page.

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 2, 2012 @ 11:13 am

                • Ok, so unknown orgin of chimneys.

                  Regarding the question, I think is fair, I only asked if you believe this happened or not, we are not talking about religion but about historical event/crime which allegedly took place 70 years ago and we can say if happened or not with using evidence. So you believe in killing of six millions of Jews and in gassings, ok, thanks for answer.

                  Comment by Bob — February 2, 2012 @ 11:45 am

            • You are right; the photos don’t indicate when the crematoria were blown up. However, it doesn’t make sense to me that the Germans would have marched the prisoners out and then came back twice to blow up the crematoria. They would have planned ahead and blown up any evidence before they left.

              Comment by furtherglory — January 30, 2012 @ 6:31 am

      • Your failure to study the evidence and your fairly obnoxious style is why few take you seriously Ms Yeager.

        You say: “Where is the evidence that the SS did this destruction?”

        I say: Look at Allied and Luftwaffe aerial photographs from December 1944 until the capture of the camp in January 1945. You will see the the buildings being dismantled and then finally demolished.

        Comment by Ray — January 28, 2012 @ 12:37 pm

        • You can read Ray’s blog here: http://holocaustdenialischutzpah.blogspot.com/

          Comment by furtherglory — January 28, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

          • Is Ray Christian Lindtner?

            He was much better when he wrote things like this:

            “In particular, I think that historians of religion can learn much from the study of Holocaust revisionism. Clearly, ‘the Jewish Holocaust Story’ has become a religious movement, with popes, priests, apostles, prophets, institutions, rituals, ceremonies, myths, holy days of remembrance, dogmas, bans, persecutions, and inquisitions! We know much more about the genesis of this new religion than we know about the genesis and early history of other world religions that appeal to personal faith, rather than to reason. In the long run, Holocaust revisionism may, if I am not mistaken, have its greatest value in the contributions it can render to the scientific study of the history of the three religions of Abraham. The careful documentation provided by Dr. Faurisson, now collected in the four volumes of the privately printed Écrits révisionnistes, 1999, covering the period from 1974-1998, will then prove to be a mine of precious scholarly information from many points of view.”

            I wonder what they found out about him to make him convert.

            Comment by Black Rabbit — January 28, 2012 @ 8:49 pm

            • No I am not, but thanks for the complement. It is not a matter of “what they found out” that made him discard revisionism but instead what Dr. Lindtner found out. Having actually read the works of historians (unlike Mr Graf in the link ‘Bob’ kindly provides) he realized that denial was simply unrealistic. Chutzpah in his great declaration.

              That is why deniers (and Mr Graf especially) are funny comedians of historic knowledge.
              http://holocaustdenialischutzpah.blogspot.com/2012/01/mr-graf-is-funny.html

              Comment by Ray — January 29, 2012 @ 8:35 am

              • Instead of ad hominems, why this Mr. Lindtner or you don´t try to refute revisionists arguments from Graf? where is problem? I provided you with link. This Lindtner argumentation in your link is really ridiculous, for example here

                “we have all the SS men who did not deny the murder of the Jews”
                “On the other hand there are numerous German and even Jewish and Ukranian witnesses”

                What “all” SS men? What witnesses? Name them all and show their testimony to prove what happened, this is all what he presented to show that Graf is comedian? Why Mr. Lindtner didn´t refute Graf´s arguments? Where he refuted missing holes in Leichenkeller 1 for example?

                Here is link again, feel free to refue “chutzpah” arguments.
                http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2011/volume_3/number_4/dr_christian_lindtner_and_holocaust_revisionism.php

                Are you able to refute some? Can you show me some gas chamber and tell me how was possible to gas peoples as alleged? Are you able to show me introduction holes in Leichenkeller 1 in Krema II? This should be easy since “denial” is only “chutzpah”. No need to use ad homines to refute comedians.

                Comment by Bob — January 30, 2012 @ 6:47 am

          • Maybe Ray is Per Nordin. He is angry at me because I would not answer his many emails requesting that I find someone to debate Mr, Lindtner on my radio program. Or convince a revisionist to debate with him. Not my job, and I’m not interested in having anything to do with Lindtner.

            Comment by Carolyn Yeager — January 29, 2012 @ 5:35 pm

    • We also can forget that Germans abandoned complete documentation of Central construction office during their “hiding evidence” action, they propably didn´t destroy it for future museum purposes.

      Comment by Bob — January 27, 2012 @ 12:43 am


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