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February 15, 2012

Elie Wiesel rejects Mormon heaven; tells Mitt Romney not to baptize dead Jews

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 10:17 am

According to USA Today, “Holocaust survivor and Nobel Prize winner Elie Wiesel on Tuesday called on Mitt Romney to tell the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon church) to stop doing proxy baptisms in the names of dead Jews, including Holocaust victims such as Wiesel’s parents.”

Romney has already admitted that, when he was a Mormon bishop in Boston, he participated in the practice of baptizing the dead.

I am a baptized Catholic, but I am currently a “fallen-away Catholic.”  When I die, I want to go to Catholic heaven because I was told in Catholic school that Catholic heaven will be just the way I want it to be.  I do not want to go to Mormon heaven, and I have requested that my family members, who are Mormons, not baptize me after I am dead.   The problem with this is that the Mormon Church does not recognize that there is any other heaven except Mormon heaven.  And the only way to get into Mormon heaven is to be baptized as a Mormon.  When non-Mormons die, they go to a spiritual prison where they remain for all eternity, until they are baptized in the Mormon religion.  However, non-Mormons who are baptized after they die do not have to accept this baptism — the spirit of a non-Mormon can reject Mormon heaven.

There are three levels of Mormon heaven; the highest level of heaven is only for Mormons who have been married in the Mormon temple.  To even enter a Mormon temple, one must be “temple worthy” and to be worthy, a Mormon must give 10% of his or her income to the Mormon church.

When a dead person is baptized in the Mormon church, a living Mormon, who is temple worthy, stands in for the dead spirit and is physically baptized in a Mormon temple on behalf of the dead person. Any temple worthy Mormon can be baptized multiple times on behalf of many non-Mormons.

The Mormon church has a huge geneology database, from which they select names of dead people to baptize.  Jewish people are not normally included in the geneology database.  So if Jews don’t want to wind up in Mormon heaven, all they have to do is to request that their family tree not be recorded in the database.  The problem is that some Jews have requested that their family names not be put into the Mormon database, but they have somehow gotten into the database in spite of this.  That is because anyone, including non-Mormons, can submit their family records to the Mormon database.

Elie Wiesel has no cause to worry.  After he dies, his spirit can reject Mormon heaven.  Elie Wiesel can go to hell if he so desires.

8 Comments

  1. Wow! Talk about offensive. Jews do not believe in your hell. Your religion, Catholicism doesn’t believe Jews go to hell. Not sure you are really even Catholic if you think that the choice is accepting Mormon conversion of hell but I’m sorry to have read your post.

    Comment by Beth — February 25, 2012 @ 7:12 pm

  2. All is well. I just conducted a proper Jewish baptism for Joseph Smith. I am sure he would have appreciated it.

    Comment by ricklondon — February 15, 2012 @ 8:46 pm

    • When a person converts to the Jewish religion, he or she is immersed in water, but as I understand it, that is not baptism. When the Mormons baptize a dead Jew, the Jew is not converted to Mormonism. The Mormon practice of baptism after death is only a means of getting the person into Mormon heaven, which the Mormons believe is the one and only heaven. The spirit of a person who was baptized after death must accept the baptism before he or she becomes a Mormon. If the spirit rejects the baptism, then the spirit falls out of heaven and back into “spirit prison” which is like Hell.

      Joseph Smith is in Mormon heaven. If you immersed a live person in water to stand in for Joseph Smith, that act did not pull Smith out of Mormon heaven and put him into Jewish heaven. I am sure that Joseph is looking down at you from Mormon heaven and laughing his head off.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 16, 2012 @ 7:07 am

      • Joseph Smith is dead. That’s for certain. Beyond that you don’t know where he is. Jewish conversion involves lots of study. It is not anything like Christian conversion. Rabbis are supposed to rebuff people 3 times to make sure they really are serious. We don’t try to get others to convert. Unlike you apparently we recognize there are different valid religions.

        I doubt Mormons would enjoy being told that Muslims were baptizing them and their dead relatives into Islam and putting their names in a giant Muslim database and that no Mormon can go to heaven without this and that their relative and they will end up in hell if they don’t convert to Islam. It’s offensive.

        You sound like you are judging. Isn’t leaving judging up to god one of the main tenants of Christianity? Are you feeling kind of superior to Jews? is that how Mormons are taught to be? Isn’t being humble and not being arrogant something taught in your religion?

        Comment by Beth — February 25, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  3. “Elie Wiesel has no cause to worry. After he dies, his spirit can reject Mormon heaven. Elie Wiesel can go to hell if he so desires.”

    Nicely put FG.

    “Gehinnom is both hell and purgatory, and even the righteous have to spend sometime in Geginnon after death so that they may be cleansed of their sins. This is the rationale behind the recital of the Kaddish prayer by a mourner for eleven months after the death of his parents. To recite the prayer for a full twelve months would imply that the deceased was wicked, needing the full period in purgatory. Indeed the very wicked remain in Gehinnon even after their period of cleansing is at an end, whereas the only moderately wicked leave after a temporary stay, though what their fate is thereafter is unclear.”
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=y3–5jTheDUC&lpg=PA28&dq=%22Gehinnom%20is%20both%20hell%20and%20purgatory%2C%20and%20even%20the%20righteous%22&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q=%22Gehinnom%20is%20both%20hell%20and%20purgatory,%20and%20even%20the%20righteous%22&f=false

    You would think Wiesel’s lies would warrant a long stay in Gehinnom, but then, lying to goyyim isn’t an offence to Jews.

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — February 15, 2012 @ 10:56 am

    • Thanks for providing this link. I did not know the belief of the Jews regarding heaven and hell. The Catholic religion has purgatory, but I didn’t know that the Jews also have purgatory. As far as I know, the Mormons don’t have a purgatory.

      One of the Mormon beliefs is that, when the day of Judgement comes, Mormon women will not be raised from the dead and taken into heaven unless their husbands call their secret names. So a Mormon woman can be kept out of heaven by her husband if she does not do everything that he tells her to do. A Mormon woman who does not have a husband will be assigned to a man who will take on the responsibility of calling her name. This is an incentive for all Mormon women to get married, so they don’t have to rely on some strange man to get them into heaven. For the Mormon women, heaven is really hell because the women must continually produce spirit children. For this purpose, a husband will be assigned to each unmarried woman in heaven.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 15, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

      • That’s funny!

        I like that Joseph Smith’s 33rd wife was aged 14, but his 34th and final wife was aged 56 and called Fanny Young.

        Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — February 15, 2012 @ 10:00 pm

  4. Auschwitz survivor Miklos Grüner’s Elie Wiesel fraud related libel suit against a Chabad Lubavitscher rabbi in Budapest has been dismissed

    Hungary Court Rejects Holocaust Survivor Libel Suit
    Monday, February 6, 2012 (6:28 pm)
    http://www.bosnewslife.com/20324-hungary-court-rejects-holocaust-survivor-libel-suit

    Comment by who+dares+wings — February 15, 2012 @ 10:43 am


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