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March 10, 2012

French law against Armenian genocide denial overturned by court

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 9:49 am

This quote is from a CNN news article which you can read in full here.

A new French law making it a crime to publicly deny the Ottoman Empire’s genocide of Armenians a century ago was ruled unconstitutional Tuesday by France’s Constitutional Council.

The measure, which triggered condemnation from modern Turkey, was given final passage by the French Senate and signed into law by President Nicolas Sarkozy last month.

Sarkozy’s office immediately issued a statement calling for a new version of the law “taking into account the decision of the Constitutional Council.”

“The president believes that genocide denial is intolerable and must be punished in this regard,” the statement said.

The country’s highest judicial body reviewed it at the request of National Assembly members and French senators.

“The Council deems the law unconstitutional,” a short statement from the court said Tuesday.

The French law against Armenian genocide denial, which was proposed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, was passed by the French parliament in December 2011. The new law made it a crime to deny that the 1.5 million Armenians allegedly killed by the Ottoman Turks in 1915 was a “genocide.”  Now the council has ruled that the law violated freedom of speech, which is protected by the French constitution. Sarkozy wants the law to be rewritten, so that it can be passed again.

Armenian civilians are marched to a nearby prison in Kharpert by armed Ottoman soldiers, April 1915. 

Jews are marched to a ghetto in Krakow in Word War II

So what is the difference between the Armenian genocide and the Holocaust?

According to Wikipedia, “the Great Crime (the Armenian genocide) was the systematic killing of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire during and just after World War I. It was implemented through wholesale massacres and deportations, with the deportations consisting of forced marches under conditions designed to lead to the death of the deportees.”

The Holocaust was a bit different in that the Jews were sent on trains to concentration camps, and when the camps had to be abandoned, the Jews were forced marched under conditions designed to lead to their deaths.  I didn’t make this up — the story of the Jews being marched in order to kill them is part of the official Holocaust story.

According to Wikipedia, “the Ottoman military uprooted Armenians from their homes and forced them to march for hundreds of miles, depriving them of food and water, to the desert of what is now Syria.”  Holocaust deniers say that the Jews were uprooted from their homes and “transported to the East” meaning that they were sent to the three Operation Reinhard camps (Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor) from where they were taken into Russia.

I learned from Wikipedia that “Massacres (in the Armenian genocide) were indiscriminate of age or gender, with rape and other sexual abuse commonplace.”  You don’t hear many stories of the Germans raping the Jews.  The penalty for rape for a German soldier was death, and there was a German law against Germans and Jews having intercourse, so this prevented rape and sexual abuse.  It was the German women who were raped by the Allies in World War II.

The Jews and the Armenians are similar in that both are considered to be a race AND a religion.  The Armenians have their own churches, which are a bit different from other Christian churches.  For those who don’t believe that such a thing as race exists, then you can say that the Armenians are an ethnic group.

So it seems to me that, if there is a law against Holocaust denial, then there should be a law against Armenian genocide denial.  Or both events should be covered by free speech laws, and anyone can deny anything they want to.


  1. Here is the great information from the website of bright and intellectually advanced Armenians, as opposed to dumb and retarded Turks.

    A short note before we proceed. The name of the website refers to Mount Ararat, which you can see from the Armenian Capital Yerevan, but ought to remember, that it’s located on the other side of border with Turkey. “Our Ararat” is not a valid claim. Sorry!
    Here we go:

    Armenian Genocide in Turkey 1915

    Before the beginning of World War 1, about 2,5 million Armenians had been living in the Ottoman empire but in 1923, after the end of the war and final annihilation of Armenians, only a very few Armenians ( 50,000 ) were living in Istanbul, in very deplorable conditions. But where did the others go?!

    In 1914 the territory of Ottoman Empire did include territories of modern Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Yemen, Kuwait, Bahrain, OAE, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. The total population before the WWI was 18,520,000.
    Claiming that there were over 2.5 million Armenians, is unreasonable.

    “In 1923 Aafter the end of war only few Armenians (50,000) were living in Istanbul.”

    How many of them lived in Istanbul before the war? How and why would you compare number of people lived in the whole country in 1914 with the number of people who lived in just one city nine years later? What does it prove? For example: what is the point of comparing the total population of Canada in 2000 with population of Toronto in 2009.

    “But where did the others go?!”

    Try France, or USA.

    ..All three of these held the racial Pan-Turkism ideology and tended to be pro-German. The extermination of the whole Armenian race was designed, programmed and performed in a very exact and secret manner by this committee and esp. the three mentioned persons

    Pro-German? Goddamn Nahtzees again!

    To perform this inhumane plan, all the Armenian males between the ages of 15-50 were called to the army under the pretext of sending them to the front lines.

    I always believed that the soldiers are usually being issued some sort of weapons, rifles/pistols, etc. Does this mean that the Turks armed every Armenian male ages 15-50, or I missed my guess again? Or does it show that the government of Young Turks trusted their Armenian citizens and did not expect a betrayal and switching sides at the time of the Great War?

    How can a normal person read this nonsense and believe any part of it?

    The people, who wrote that, are still convinced, that Mount Ararat is in Armenia. To return to the reality, they need to try several things:
    a) look at the map and accept for a fact: it is up-to-date and correct.
    b) try to walk to the Mount Ararat and get arrested by the Turkish border guards.
    c) If none of the above helps, see the psychiatrist.

    Comment by Gasan — March 11, 2012 @ 9:03 pm


    This is the website of General Staff of Turkish Army.

    Comment by Gasan — March 11, 2012 @ 8:46 pm

  3. Is France going to acknowledge the atrocities of Armenians against Turks and Azerbaijani people? Is president Sarkozy going to recognize, that in March of 1918 thousands of Azerbaijani Turks were killed in Baku and all over Azerbaijan and call it “genocide” as well?
    There was never a genocide of Armenians, but resettlement of disloyal population from combat zones.
    The proper orders of the resettlement programs had been given i.e. providing shelter, necessary farming tools, etc.(followed up or not, does not matter). There resettlement program affected only six provinces of Ottoman Empire (Trabzon, Erzurum, Kars, Bitlis, Diyarbakir, Van) with less than 50% of total Armenian population of Empire (cir. 420,000 persons). The armed Armenians were killing innocent people somewhere else, instead of defending their loved ones. Only 140 “Armenian intellectuals” were arrested in Istanbul and 119 of them were released. Twenty of them were publicly hanged in and one managed to escape. All of the had taken place after Turkish intelligence agents intercepted the telegram from Russian Governor of Baku, Prince Vorontsov-Dashkov. The armenian leaders promised to start country-wide uprising to help the advancing Russian troops and they were asking for weapons and money. It was an act of high treason. All of it has been documented and all information is available at:

    Comment by Gasan — March 11, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

  4. Germany has been notoriously tamed; the pressure is now put on the U.K (among others):

    BBC report, March 9: “Sixth form students make Auschwitz visit”, in the case you missed the BBC report on March 8: “School pupils travel to Auschwitz”.

    I seem to remember that merely mentioning jews in Christian prayers was deemed quite offensive; however, shoving talmudic rituals onto Christians appears to be perfectly OK.

    Comment by Eager for Answers — March 11, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

    • Thanks for providing these links. In the video in the first link, one of the British leaders of the trip mispronounces the word Nazi. In both videos, the word Auschwitz is mispronounced.

      I think the students and the leaders of the trip should prepare before the trip by learning how to pronounce the most important words related to what they are going to see.

      It is mentioned in the second video that British students today do not have grandparents who were alive back when Auschwitz was a prison camp. The students should also prepare for the trip by learning what was going on in the world outside of the camps. The camps did not have luxury housing, but the rest of the people in the world were also living in primitive conditions, especially in Poland. The town of Auschwitz did not have running water before the Germans came in and fixed up the town so that it would be suitable for their engineers who would be building the factories at Monowitz. There were many towns in Poland that did not have running water or electricity in the 1940s. Very few houses in Poland had central heat and no one had air-conditioning back then. Even the rich Jews in a shtetl in Poland did not have modern conveniences in the 1940s.

      The hair and the shoes displayed in the Museum do not prove anything except that the hair and shoes have been subjected to chemicals, probably Zyklon-B. This does not prove that anyone was killed by the use of Zyklon-B.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 12, 2012 @ 10:55 am

  5. “… the Newtonian principle of gravitation is now more firmly established, on the basis of reason, than it would be were the government to step in, and to make it an article of necessary faith. Reason and experiment have been indulged, and error has fled before them. It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” – Thomas Jefferson

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — March 11, 2012 @ 8:21 am

    • In Germany, it is not telling the truth that is against the law, it is incitement of the people (Volksverhetzung) that is against the law. That means that you can’t say the slightest thing that upsets the Jews. For example, you can’t say that the Jews were marched out of Auschwitz in order to take them back to Germany to work. According to the Holocaustians, the Jews were sent on a “death march” out of Auschwitz for the purpose of killing them by marching. I has been my experience that the people in Germany today will absolutely refuse to talk to an American about the Jews or about World War II for fear of being arrested and charged with Volksverhetzung.

      Comment by furtherglory — March 11, 2012 @ 9:37 am

  6. I found the following in an article in the Moscow times

    > The Council ruled that the law, which would have imposed a 45,000-euro ($61,000) fine, a one-year prison sentence, or both, on genocide deniers, ran against the principles of freedom of expression written into France’s founding documents.

    French law already considers denial of Europe’s Holocaust illegal. <

    Comment by Ethelred — March 10, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

    • I read the article in the Moscow Times. It included this sentence: “Turkey had previously argued that Sarkozy’s center-right government had supported the law to secure the votes of some 500,000 Armenians living in France.”

      There are 6 million Jews living in America. Will some future candidate for President in America propose a Holocaust denial law in America in an attempt to get the Jewish vote?

      Comment by furtherglory — March 10, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

      • It seems that a present candidate is suggesting that they may bomb Iran in order to get the Jewish vote!

        Comment by Ethelred — March 10, 2012 @ 11:26 pm

        • I am a Republican, but I might end up voting for Obama because he is the least likely, of all the potential candidates for president, to bomb Iran. All of the potential Republican candidates are going out of their way to pledge their loyalty to Israel.

          Comment by furtherglory — March 11, 2012 @ 9:47 am

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