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July 9, 2012

The plan to execute German-American citizens of the USA during World War II

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 9:44 am

I was reading the very informative blog of Herb Stolpmann today when I came across his blog post about the Chelmno extermination camp here.  It started off with this startling statement:

Readers of the New York Times found on July 2nd 1942 page 6 an unusual item. Under the title “Allies are Urged to Execute Nazis,” it was reported by a call of the Polish government in exile in London, initiating threats of retribution (Vergeltungsdrohungen) against German citizens living in western countries abroad. […]

For this reason, it was recommended the liquidation of Germans in the U.S. and other countries as a deterrent.

I had to read this several times before it sank into my brain.  The “Polish government in exile in London” was calling for the murder of German citizens living in western countries.

According to Wikipedia, there were “over 110 German-American citizens arrested between 1941 and 1944 in cities such as Chicago, Detroit, Honolulu and Los Angeles.”

This quote is from Wikipedia:

A total of 11,507 Germans and German-Americans were interned during the war, accounting for 36% of the total internments under the Justice Department’s Enemy Alien Control Program, but far less than the 110,000 Japanese-Americans interned.[26] Such internments began with the detention of 1,260 Germans shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor.[27] Of the 254 persons evicted from coastal areas, the majority were German.[28]

In addition, over 4,500 ethnic Germans were brought to the U.S. from Latin America and similarly detained. The Federal Bureau of Investigation drafted a list of Germans in fifteen Latin American countries whom it suspected of subversive activities and, following the attack on Pearl Harbor, demanded their eviction to the U.S. for detention.[29]

The article in the New York Times states that it was the news of the killing of the Jews in gas vans in Chelmno which prompted the Polish government in exile in London to call for the murder of German civilians in retribution. Fortunately, this never happened, as far as I know.

I was a child, living in Missouri, during World War II.  There were whole towns in Missouri, which were predominantly German-American.  The most famous one is Hermann, MO which is now a tourist attraction.  I knew about the internment of Japanese-Americans during the war, but I didn’t know about the German-Americans who were imprisoned in internment camps.

This quote is from Herb Stolpmann’s blog post:

After listing the main sites of mass murder in eastern Poland, it was said in the (New York Times) article: “In early winter the Germans methodically continue to kill all Jews. They sent special mobile gas chambers to western Poland, into territories incorporated into the Reich. In places like Chelmno near Kolo, ninety people were put at once into those gas chambers. The victims were buried in graves that they themselves had dug in the forest of Lubarski. Between November 1941 and March 1942 about 1,000 people a day from the residential districts of Kolo, Dabie, Izbica and other places as well as the 35 000 Jews from Lodz were killed during the period 2-9 January.

Chelmno is listed as one of the six extermination camps, but it differs from the other five “death camps.”  Chelmno didn’t have gas chambers.  Instead, the Jews were killed in “gas vans.”  The killing of the Jews at Chelmno began on December 8, 1941 — before the start of the Wannsee Conference where the genocide of the Jews (“the Final Solution”) was planned.  Some historians say that the start of the killing at Chelmno was on December 6, 1941.  This was before Germany declared war on America and America then declared war on Germany.

After World War II ended in Europe with the surrender of the German Army on May 7, 1945, the provisional Polish government set up the Central Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland. The purpose was to gather evidence for the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal which was set to begin on November 20, 1945, and for the planned trials of Germans who had committed war crimes in Poland.

The main report by the Central Commission was entitled GERMAN CRIMES IN POLAND; it was originally published in two volumes in 1946 and 1947. The report included an overview of the main Nazi concentration camps and death camps in Poland. Two of the death camps, Auschwitz and Chelmno, had been in Greater Germany while they were in operation but now they are located in Poland.

This quote is from the report by the Central Commission on the Chelmno camp:

The camp was established in November 1941.The extermination process began on December 8, with the ghetto population of the cities and towns of the Warthegau, first from the neighbouring Kolo, Dabie, Sompolno, Klodawa and many other places, and later from Lodz itself. The first Jews arrived at Chelmno from Lodz in the middle of January 1942. From that time onwards an average of 1000 a day was maintained, with short intermissions, till April 1943.  […]

Those who were brought here for destruction were convinced till the very last moment that they were to be employed on fortification work in the East. They were told that, before going further, they would have a bath, and that their clothes would be disinfected. Immediately after their arrival at the camp they were taken to the large hall of the house, where they were told to undress, and then they were driven along a corridor to the front door, where a large lorry, fitted up as a gas-chamber, was standing. This, they were told, was to take them to the bath-house. When the lorry was full, the door was locked, the engine started, and carbon monoxide was introduced into the interior through a specially constructed exhaust pipe. After 4-5 minutes, when the cries and struggles of the suffocating victims were heard no more, the lorry was driven to the wood, 4 km (2 1/2 miles) away, which was enclosed with a high fence and surrounded with outposts. Here the corpses were unloaded and buried, and afterwards burnt in one of the clearings.

All this seems very strange to me.  Knowing how the German people are always highly organized and efficient, it doesn’t make any sense that they would start killing the Jews before the plans for “the Final Solution” were made at the Wannsee Conference.  And they did it by the very inefficient method of gassing them in vans with carbon monoxide!  Say what?  They couldn’t be bothered with building a proper gas chamber?  And they had no ovens to burn the bodies?  What was the big hurry that they couldn’t take the time to set up a proper death camp?

The wall around the place at Chelmno where the bodies were buried, then later dug up and burned Photo Credit: Alan Collins

In the winter of 1941-1942, the bodies of the Chelmno victims were buried in mass graves in the frozen ground of a nearby forest. In the Spring of 1942, two open-air crematoria were built and the bodies were dug up and cremated. The cremation ovens were open concrete-lined pits where the corpses were burned on grates. After the first phase of the killing between December 1941 and April 1943, these “furnaces” were destroyed on April 7, 1943. When the second phase began in May or June 1944, two more open-air crematoria were constructed, but they were also destroyed by the Nazis in order to get rid of all the evidence.

Place where bodies were buried behind a wall in forest near Chelmno Photo Credit: Alan Collins

The following quote is from a book by the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland entitled “GERMAN CRIMES IN POLAND” (Warsaw, 1946, 1947):

The ashes and remains of bones were removed from the ash-pit, ground in mortars, and, at first, thrown into especially dug ditches; but later, from 1943 onwards, bones and ashes were secretly carted to Zawadki at night, and there thrown into the river.

[…]

In the autumn of 1944 the camp in the wood was completely destroyed, the crematoria being blown up, the huts taken to pieces, and almost every trace of crime being carefully removed. A Special Commission from Berlin directed, on the spot, the destruction of all the evidence of what had been done.

Memorial stone at Chelmno  Photo Credit: Alan Collins

The text on the Memorial stone in the photo above says that about 350,000 Jews – Men, women and children – were murdered at Chelmno.

Martin Gilbert wrote in his book, entitled Holocaust, that 360,000 Jews were killed at Chelmno just in the first phase of the killing, between December 7, 1941 and March 1943. The US Holocaust Memorial Museum says that “at least 152,000” Jews were killed at Chelmno. The Museum at the villa in Wannsee, near Berlin, says that “152,000 Jews and 5,000 Gypsies” were killed at Chelmno.

Obviously, the Nazis destroyed all the evidence, so the number of Jewish deaths at Chelmno is unknown.

12 Comments »

  1. The Black Book says 1,135,000 Jews were killed at Chelmno, plus 165,000 goyyim.
    http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/1135000-jews-killed-at-chelmno.html

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — July 14, 2012 @ 10:39 pm

    • Thanks for the link. I love the Einstein math photo. There were 1.3 million people killed at Chelmno — in gas vans. How many trips in a gas van did it take to kill 1.3 million people? How did the German people ever get the reputation for being efficient when it is very clear that the Nazis never did any thing in an efficient way. The Germans are known as hard workers. I observed that myself when I lived in Germany. But the Nazis were too lazy to build a gas chamber at Chelmno?

      I have the report on Chelmno by the Polish Central Commission, entitled GERMAN CRIMES IN POLAND, which was originally published in two volumes in 1946 and 1947, on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Chelmno/history.html

      Comment by furtherglory — July 15, 2012 @ 9:24 am

  2. Herr Stolpeman. Don’t you get it?! The truth about WWII and especially the truth about the German concentration camp system (the myths of which you are so dedicated to reinforcing with gruelpropaganda) is against the law to report. Come now. Put some [Henckels] steel in your spine and stand up to 60 years of Semitic slander like your Landsmann Walter Ruthard!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2166966/PETER-HITCHENS-The-heroes-Bomber-Command-deserve-memorial–unlike-butcher-led-them.html

    Dear Mr. Hitchens, feedback@dailymail.co.uk

    I am referring to your column “The heroes of Bomber Command deserve their memorial… unlike the butcher who led them”, which was published in The Daily Mail Online on June 30th , 2012 and updated on July 1st , 2012 and which I received today, July 6th, 2012.

    To me as a German who survived the treatment meted out by Bomber
    Command, it is indeed interesting to read what you, a Briton, have to
    say about these dreadful years although you did not live during the
    time of the nightly terror attacks on German cities.

    However, I am surprised about your rather polite interpretation of
    the events that led to the Second World War and especially to the
    fight between the British and the Germans. Other Britons are not so
    civil when, as you write, “the football crowds who crudely chant
    Bomber Harris’ name to tease modern Germans”. Ah, yes, “Sir Harris”
    the knighted war criminal, also known as “Butcher Harris”:

    “No doubt he had been brave in his time…”. Brave? Already in the
    early 20th century he established his reputation of a ruthless
    terrorist during the Iraqi uprisings against British rule. At that
    time he was the commander of the 45th squadron of the Royal Air Force
    in Iraq. Together with Winston Churchill, who was Minister of War in
    1919, he expressed the idea of forcing the rebellious Iraqis to
    surrender to the Empire’s wishes by attacking them with bombs and
    gas! Churchill himself wrote: “I do not understand the opposition
    against the use of gas. I am very much in favour of employing poison
    gas against uncivilized tribes.” And: “It is not necessary for the
    gas to be deadly but it must cause great pain and spread extensive
    terror.” After a bombing raid in 1924, Harris noted: “Arabs and Kurds
    have begun to believe that if they could tolerate a bit of noise,
    they could also bear being bombarded and still be able to negotiate.
    They now know what real bombardment means in terms of losses and
    devastation. They now know that within 45 minutes a whole village can
    be eliminated and a third of its inhabitants killed or maimed by four
    or five airplanes which don’t present a real target to shoot at and
    which don’t give them a chance to fight like brave warriors or take
    flight.” Later, after realizing that the inhabitants often were
    running away when a British plane approached, they used time fuse
    bombs which killed the fugitives after their return to their houses.
    This is also what Sir Harris, the nobleman, and his criminal air
    crews did to German civilians!

    Now, Mr. Hitchens, please tell me where was the bravery in Butcher
    Harris’ and Winston Churchill’s long and honourable military careers?
    There, in Iraq, they tested what they perfected in WW II on a much
    grander scale.

    “To this day, few British people know what we actually did to
    Germany. We know of and are rightly angered by the Luftwaffe attack
    on Coventry and by the London Blitz.”

    Well, here are some more facts that are kept from you, and maybe
    after checking them out, you could extend your anger against Bomber
    Command and its criminal bosses:

    September 5, 1939 the British attacked Altendeich near Wilhelmshaven
    with one bomb;
    September 29, 1939 they attacked Vechta with one bomb;
    December 3, 1939 they attacked the coast of Helgoland with 21 bombs;
    December 12, 1939 they attacked Borkum with five bombs;
    December 14, 1939 they attacked Sylt with five bombs;
    December 18, 1939 they attacked Borkum with seven bombs, Juist five
    bombs and Amrum five bombs;
    December 20, 1939 they attacked Hörnum near Sylt with 3bombs;
    December 21, 1939 they attacked Rantum near Sylt with four bombs.

    And this was only the beginning. I could go on and on. In order to
    not to stress your attention too much, I now will quote your own
    Undersecretary of State, Spaight, the foremost authority on the law
    of air warfare, who wrote in his book Bombing Vindicated,
    published in London in 1944:

    “We began bombing targets in Germany before the Germans did so
    in England. That is a historical fact that has also been publicly
    admitted. We sacrificed London, because the retribution was
    certain. It is not absolutely positive, but nevertheless very likely,
    that the Germans would not have attacked London and the
    industrial area. Germany sought a moratorium in the bombing war
    whenever there seemed to be the slightest chance of such.”

    And another British historian in Oxford, A.J.P. Taylor, wrote this:

    “The British initiative (for the air war) is perfectly clear. The
    German bombing of Warsaw and Rotterdam was part of a military
    campaign, an expansion of a previous shelling of defended cities. The
    Blitz (the German air raids on London) began only after the British
    had already bombed German cities for five months.”

    And to round this up, read what another British nobleman had to say:

    Sir Hartley Shawcross, chief British prosecutor at the Nuremberg War
    Crimes Trials, remarked recently on a British TV program, that at the
    time of the trials, he found himself wishing that the “great Allied
    war criminals” be put on trial. Sir Hartley has also been quoted as
    saying that neither Adolf Hitler nor the German people ever planned
    or wished for World War 2″.
    Source: “Spotlight”, February 17, 1997, p. 13.

    And he also said this:

    “Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of
    communism in Europe are sinister and fatal. At the Nuremberg Trials,
    I, together with my Russian colleague, condemned Nazi aggression and
    terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want
    war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it in
    accordance with our principle of balance of power, and we were
    encouraged by the ‘Americans’ around Roosevelt. We ignored Hitler’s
    plea not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realize that Hitler
    was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany; instead, since
    1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet Empire. I
    feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused Hitler
    of, are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different label.”
    Source: The British Attorney General Sir Hartley Shawcross in a
    speech at Stourbridge in March 16, 1984 (AP).

    So, there is no reason for you and the British people to be angry at
    the Germans for bombing Coventry on November 15, 1940 and the “Blitz”
    because “you asked for it”. The attacks on defenceless German
    civilians and cities were planned and executed by the British.
    2,050,000 German civilians died in those terror attacks according to
    the Zurich paper Die Tat.

    This is what your “very best, brightest and bravest young men in
    Britain, the Commonwealth and the Allied countries” accomplished.
    Look around you, Mr. Hitchens, and you will see a world that was made
    possible by your “very best, brightest and bravest young men in
    Britain, the Commonwealth and the Allied countries. This is the
    England they “fought” for. And for what? No German ever threatened
    you. But you, their descendants, now have to live in it with its
    glory of boundless crime, brought in from your former colonies,
    unemployment and the real Britons marginalized and afraid to go out
    at night. As you said: “they asked for it”. Not the Germans, no, not
    the Germans! “They devastated the following German cities, ”… not
    just [in] Hamburg and Dresden but [in] dozens of lesser cities.”
    Here are a few of the “dozens of lesser cities”:

    Berlin, Hamburg, Dortmund, Essen, Dresden, Frankfurt/Main, Nuremberg,
    Düsseldorf, Hannover, Bremen, Wuppertal, Vienna, Duisburg, Munich,
    Magdeburg, Leipzig, Mannheim, Stuttgart, Kiel, Gelsenkirchen, Bochum,
    Aachen, Würzburg, Darmstadt, Krefeld, Münster, Mönchen Gladbach,
    Braunschweig, Ludwigshafen, Remscheid, Pforzheim, Osnabrück, Mainz,
    Bielefeld, Gießen, Düren, Solingen, Wilhelmshaven, Karlsruhe,
    Oberhausen, Heilbronn, Augsburg, Hamm, Knittelfeld, Lüneburg,
    Cuxhaven, Kulmbach, Hagen, Saarbrücken, Freiburg, Graz, Koblenz, Ulm,
    Bonn, Bremerhaven, Wanne-Eickel, Worms, Lübeck, Schweinfurt, Kleve,
    Wiener Neustadt, Wiesbaden, Paderborn, Bocholt, Hanau, Hildesheim,
    Emden, Siegen, Pirmasens, Halle, Bayreuth, Kreuznach, Witten,
    Aschaffenburg, Kaiserslautern, Gladbeck, Dorsten, Insbruck,
    Neumünster, Linz, Klagenfurt, Reutlingen, Recklingshausen, Reuel,
    Regensburg, Homburg, Elmshorn, Wetzlar, Villach, Hameln, Königsberg,
    Moers, Passau, Solbad Hall I.T, Coburg, Attnang-Puchheim,
    Friedrichshafen, Frankfurt/Oder, Danzig, Bozen, Chemnitz, Rostock,
    Schwerte, Plauen, Bad Kreuznach, etc., etc.

    “I don’t call this a ‘war crime’ because the phrase is more or less
    meaningless. As those who have actually fought in wars know, all war
    is crime, mixed with hell. The question is whether it can possibly be
    justified. Nor do I (as some liars will immediately claim) in any way
    compare it with the crimes of the Germans against the Jews. The two
    are not remotely equivalent and anyone who says so is a fool and a
    scoundrel.”

    This is typical English pious platitude. A war crime is a war crime
    no matter who committed it, even if they were English bomber pilots
    and their masters Harris and Churchill. There is no question about
    it. Only the vanquished were brought to “justice” by the glorious and
    ever so guiltless victors. And, of course, you have to mention the so-
    called Holocaust. It sounds like you have to please some authorities
    that have impaled your rational thinking and made you aware that
    your career depends on you behaving like a docile pupil. I think it
    is impossible for an Englishman to grasp the possibility that there
    was no Holocaust at all. That is the power of propaganda and you fell
    for it like untold millions of others. It is a pity that you as a
    journalist, having enjoyed an investigative training, are still
    incapable of seeing through a monstrous lie.

    “The [their] death rate was an appalling 44 per cent – 55,573 of them
    gone for ever, and our ill-led, sloppy and declining country has felt
    their loss every day since. Heaven knows it is time their sacrifice,
    and the equal bravery of those who survived, was marked. A medal
    would be nice, too.”

    For every Allied airman killed, there were 37 Germans murdered by
    them. Now, who has more reason to be angry? There were also Canadian
    bomber pilots over German cities trying their best to kill Germans.
    Recently, one of them boasted publicly that he killed 50,000 Germans
    and that he is proud of it. And there is this English nobleman, John
    T. Saxon, Esq., of Lake Worth, Fla. who in his letter to the Barnes
    Review (May 1997, p. 31) proudly announced this:

    “… as the captain of a Lancaster heavy bomber, having witnessed the
    destruction of English cities, I was delighted to partake in 91
    bombing missions, including the fire bombing of both Hamburg and
    Dresden, and I would happily go back and do the same all over
    again. … Speaking of myself, and many other crews, we were
    delighted when the met (meteorology) boys forecast strong winds, in
    any direction over a major German city, and immediately changed our
    bomb load to one Tall Boy (a 10-ton bomb of high explosives plus two
    tons of small incendiary bombs, dropped at the same time.) The
    catastrophic results were almost guaranteed; ask the citizens of
    Hamburg, of whom over 2 million trudged out of the city over a period
    of months to get away from the firestorms. We saw them from the air,
    endless miles of people running away from the firestorm, and we had
    no sympathy for them then, or now. They started it, and we replied in
    kind, with far greater bombs, and better fire ignitions. I visited
    both Hamburg, Wilhelmshaven, Dresden, Essen and other cities we paid
    a visit to, after the war, and saw the destruction which the
    firestorms inflicted upon the German population, and I lost no sleep
    over it at all. … The Germans asked for it, and we gave it o them,
    good and strong. In war, to achieve victory, you must be ruthless, or
    you will end up speaking German for a long time.”

    Now, Mr. Hitchens, these were your “… bomber boys [who] did what
    they believed was their duty and asked few questions.” Yes, they
    delighted in what they were doing, the “brightest and bravest young
    men in Britain”. Today, Canadian veterans of Bomber Command get riled
    up when it is suggested that their activities were war crimes. They
    need not fear; it never ever happened that an Allied war criminal was
    brought to justice and it will never happen. That is reserved for
    Germans only. And “lesser” people like Irakis, Afghans, Libyans and
    more.

    You do not have to believe what I just wrote but you owe it to
    yourself to prove me wrong. Can you do it? I do not think so.

    Sincerely,

    Walter Ruthard

    Comment by who dares wings — July 10, 2012 @ 1:43 pm

    • Thanks for putting up this letter by Walter Ruthard. There is one small part of it that is incorrect:

      And he also said this:

      “Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of
      communism in Europe are sinister and fatal. At the Nuremberg Trials,
      I, together with my Russian colleague, condemned Nazi aggression and
      terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want
      war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it in
      accordance with our principle of balance of power, and we were
      encouraged by the ‘Americans’ around Roosevelt. We ignored Hitler’s
      plea not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realize that Hitler
      was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany; instead, since
      1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet Empire. I
      feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused Hitler
      of, are being relentlessly pursued now, only under a different label.”
      Source: The British Attorney General Sir Hartley Shawcross in a
      speech at Stourbridge in March 16, 1984 (AP).

      I have written about this speech, allegedly made by Sir Hartley Shawcross at Stourbridge on March 16, 1984, on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/WesternGermany/SirHartleyShawcross.html

      Since he made this mistake in his letter, I wonder if he made other mistakes.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

      • Walter Ruthard also cited The Spotlight newspaper. That’s a red flag, too, because it’s ex-publisher Willis Carto remains friendly with Skokie, Ill neo-Nazi march organizer and hyper-diffusionist hoaxer Frank Collin aka Frank Joseph aka Frank Cohen and Gregory Douglas aka Peter Stahl aka Walter Storch, the sketchy author of Gestapo Chief, the 1948 Interrogation of Heinrich Müller.

        Comment by who dares wings — July 11, 2012 @ 10:29 am

    • who dares wings
      I can give you a number of similar events as written by my “Landsmann”, but it is not really my theme, but following is what happened to a city I visited in the Schwarzwald, the narrative is just as long::
      FREIBURG im Breisgau, founded in 1120, hides away near the Rhine River at the edge of the Black Forest. It passed with the rest of the Breisgau to the Hapsburgs in 1368. Bavarians and Austrian
      were defeated here in the Thirty Years War by the French, who held Freiburg from 1677 to 1697 and again from 1744–48..A benign university town, Freiburg had an intelligent past. Freiburg had almost no industrial or military targets and was considered a military hospital town. It was attacked on the pretext that it was a “railway target”. During “Operation Tigerfish”, on Nov. 27,1944, around 441 British Lancasters bombers, some loaded with deadly phosphorus, flew up from the west and for 25 minutes unloaded approximately 1,900 tons of 14,000 high-explosive and incendiary bombs, igniting a fire-storm. The high-explosive bombs destroyed all the windows and the air pressure caused tiles to fly from the rooftops. The water pipes were broken and the roads were blocked by rubble instantly. People tried to fight the fires with wine barrels from the local wineries, but 80% of the historic old town was destroyed and the famous medieval University of Freiburg was devastated.
      In December, 1944 there was another major attack to add to the destruction of Freiburg.3000 civilians were killed, 10,000 injured and 858 lost. There would have been more, but legend
      has it that the drakes in the park became raucously noisy and seemed to announce the approaching bomber stream, causing many citizens of Freiburg who lived around the city park near the cathedral
      to run to the air raid shelter. Photographs show that no railway targets were not hit in this attack.So the Brits were wrong. People desperately throw themselves on the road and beat their chest and cry out, others carried it more quietly. How many victims who remain under the rubble only God knows. Most came without coffin into mass graves. Some very few, for which the family members themselves had to dig the grave, could be privately interred. And everywhere it smelled of corpses and chlorinated lime. The dead ones, often terribly mutilated, lay disfigured, burnt like roasted meat, and some also with invariably peaceful expression…But this is not all, during June/July 1945(after hostilities had stopped) French Troops occupied the city and one of their Colonel’s who played a “General Field Marshal”” had the City surrounded with Artillery and levelled the rest. After that he sent his drunken colonial Senegal Troops into the city to Rape, Pillage and Murder.Germans are to some extent reluctant to talk about the events that took place after the French Artillery bombardment the place to cinders, only one of my relations, now old, told me of her ordeal as a fifteen year-old girl being gang raped. There is an obelisk in the centre, which mentions in a very diplomatic language the French Artillery Attack and the ciry’s final destruction. (They call it the Mortgage Memorial)
      Have a good day

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — July 15, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

  3. In the autumn of 1944 the camp in the wood was completely destroyed, the crematoria being blown up,

    Blowing up something is definitely the best way to get rid of evidence; for example, no one could prove this building or this city ever existed.

    Comment by Eager for Answers — July 9, 2012 @ 6:07 pm

  4. When the lorry was full, the door was locked, the engine started, and carbon monoxide was introduced into the interior through a specially constructed exhaust pipe. After 4-5 minutes, when the cries and struggles of the suffocating victims were heard no more, the lorry was driven to the wood, 4 km (2 1/2 miles) away, which was enclosed with a high fence and surrounded with outposts.

    If you had to kill a batch of Jews, wouldn’t you do it by driving directly to the wood once they are loaded, instead of waiting for them to die first, and only then starting to drive?

    If you don’t want to be caught, burying them in a wood is certainly a good idea.

    Now, if you enclose the crime scene with a high fence surrounded with outposts, it’s not the best way to escape scrutiny, especially if you forget to dismantle them after the war.

    Comment by Eager for Answers — July 9, 2012 @ 5:43 pm

  5. Herb Stolpman’s “very informative” blog reminds me of an Israeli made movie about soft core Holocaust porn I saw entitled Stalags http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1479963/ It’s worth a watch to see how the fiction people were reading in these pulp magazines, with their lurid color covers stolen from American men’s action and adventure magazines of the ’50s, became eyewitness testimony at the Eichmann trial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_fiction I wish Herb would use his great gift for German self-abnegation to write about Nazi medical experiments in the camps. Particularly the stitching together of brothers and sisters to make twins and injecting dyes into children’s pupils to change their eye color.

    Comment by who dares wings — July 9, 2012 @ 2:55 pm

    • Who dares wings and others
      All my blogs so far I have written are based on historical facts, almost every paragraph I publish is verified and printed only if I have a reliable reference, in other words a source, if it is my own opinion I do say so. What they teach you in Journalism is the ACCURACY in reporting, something you could not do in my time during the third Reich. You had to toe the Party-Line. I can not see your point of my self-denying anything. In some moments in one’s life, either you are a man or you aren’t. The difference? Just the courage to say or do what you consider just. My courage is to make known the most agonising events within the third Reich, stories small and large that never became public in my youth.
      PS.: And, yes I did write about medical experiments that took place in concentration camps, and yes I know about SS-men that had injections to make their eyes BLUE and bleached their hair BLOND, to make them look NORDIC. Sorry but I missed the point you are trying to make with your web link references.

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — July 9, 2012 @ 9:37 pm

      • Give us your sources Judith, especially for the eye color changes, might be useful to Beyonce and and Lady Gaga and all those kaballa popstars wishing to seem nordic. I see the mysterious furtherglory has you back in frontline.. don’t push too hard though

        Comment by wolf — July 10, 2012 @ 3:58 am


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