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September 25, 2012

Ahmadinejad wants the “occupation” of Palestine to end (interview with Piers Morgan)

Filed under: Holocaust, TV shows — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 11:54 am

Last night, I watched the interview with Ahmadinejad, conducted by Piers Morgan, on his television show.  I was impressed with the way Morgan handled the interview. He elicited answers from Ahmadinejad that I’ve heard before.  For example, Morgan asked Ahmadinejad what he meant by his often quoted remark that he wants “to wipe Israel off the map.”

Ahmadinejad answered: “So when we say ‘to be wiped’, we say for occupation to be wiped off from this world. For war-seeking to be wiped off and eradicated, the killing of women and children to be eradicated. And we propose the way. We propose the path. The path is to recognize the right of the Palestinians to self-governance.”

Morgan then asked Ahmadinejad whether he believes in a two-state solution, to which Ahmadinejad said: “I cannot express an opinion. That is their prerogative. But the people of Palestine must be allowed by everyone, and helped by everyone, to allow them, to give them the right to choose for themselves.”

The most important part of the interview was when Ahmadinejad was asked about his Holocaust denial. Ahmadinejad answered by asking why researchers in Europe are not allowed to research the Holocaust, and are put in prison if they research the Holocaust.

Morgan asked Ahmadinejad point blank: “Do you believe that 6 million Jews were annihilated by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis? Do you believe that as a fact?”

Ahmadinejad then pointed out that the way that Morgan was phrasing the question implied the correct answer which he wanted to hear from Ahmadinejad.  “You pose a question and you are willing to hear only what you want to hear. Do you want my answer or your opinion….Why do you want to impose your answer on me?”

Piers Morgan also asked Ahmadinejad about his accusation that the American government was “partly responsible” for the 9/11 attack on America.  This part of the interview starts at 4:15 on the video below.

6 Comments »

  1. So… the ‘six million’ question came up.
    Interesting how that Q. seems to have come to represent some sort of guage of a persons rationality or level of human decency!? But how exactly does it have that function?

    First of all, however many Jewish peope were killed and died, it was too many and a terrible tragedy of epic proportions for those people and their relatives.
    But how has acceptance of this figure come to define whether one is a dastardly ‘denier’ or not: based ONLY upon whether someone believes a set figure (six million) or not. Why is this always asked and HOW exactly is it some sort of litmus test of how dastardly and sick one is?
    Think about it.
    What is it that is being asked there, exactly?

    1. Is it how many Jews were killed in total during WW2 by the German war effort?
    I myself should imagine that of the estimated 48 to 62 million people (opinions vary) who were killed in WW2, the amount of Jews who were killed in that conflict would be much HIGHER than 6 million.

    2. Is the question as to whether that number (6 mill.) died in concentration camps? My answer then would be that there is no precise accepted figure anyway, and Raul Hilberg (one of the most well respected and pre-eminent historians on this topic) estimates a number of 2.9 million who perished in the camps.

    3. Is the question being asked concerning the amount of Jewish prisoners (combatant and non-combatant ) who died in total in German occupied territories? If so Raul Hilberg again, estimates that figure at 5.1 million.

    My point is that I don’t really know what the question is asking about specifically.
    And I suspect neither do the vast majority of people who ask it as a knee-jerk reaction to any attempt at a reassessment of this episode of history.
    It has become the figure we must accept without question or quibble or be branded and attacked with ad hominem epithets.

    I think the question itself represents an attack on critical thinking and upon acquiring an honest informed opinion.

    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    It IS clear to me though that this ‘six million’ figure DOES contain some mythical value, as it has appeared in Jewish narratives BEFORE the terrible events of the mid-forties in Europe.

    E.g. 1
    ———
    In 1902 the tenth edition of Encyclopedia Britannica(under its entry on ‘anti-semitism’) references “six million Jews” of Rumania and Russia being”systematically degraded”

    E.g. 2
    ———
    In 1919 a “holocaust” of “6 million” was said tobe taking place in the Ukraine:
    “Six million men and women are dying; eight-hundred-thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the law of God or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood. In this threatened holocaust of human life …”
    [The American Hebrew, Oct. 31, 1919, Nbr. 582]

    E.g. 3
    ———
    In 1942 the British Archbishops of Canterbury and Wales wrote in a letter to The Times newspaper mentioning
    “Hitler’s oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe, which mean in effect some 6 million people…”

    E.g. 4
    ———
    Writing in February of 1943 an american Jew wrote:
    “Of these 6,000,000 Jews [of Europe], almost a third have already been massacred by Germans, Romanians and Hungarians,and the most conservative of score keepers estimate that before the war ends at least another third will have been done to death.”
    –Ben Hecht, Reader’s Digest, ‘Remember Us’,

    So the idea of a figure of six million definitely does appear to have had mythic significance BEFORE any systematic research was made about the actual numbers of deaths during WW2.

    Comment by Mysticbumwipe — September 26, 2012 @ 3:43 am

    • It is not just the 6 million figure which must be believed; one must also believe that the Holocaust was deliberately planned by Hitler, whether or not he gave an actual order, and that his intent was genocide. The belief in gas chambers is also required. In addition, there are numerous small details that must be believed, including the belief that the purpose of a “death march” was to kill the Jews by marching them to death, so that they could not become witnesses at the post-war war crimes trials. Another detail that must be believed is that the purpose of transporting the Jews from the sub-camps to the main camps, near the end of the war, was to consolidate the Jews so that they could be killed more efficiently.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 26, 2012 @ 8:33 am

  2. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad holds PhD in urban engineering. He is a professor at the University of Tehran and is currently teaching senior class once a week. Before being elected as a the president of Iran, he held the position of mayor of Tehran, a metropolitan area of almost 14 millions inhabitants.
    One of the most celebrated story of holocaust is that of Warsaw ghetto. 360,000 people were living in the area of 5 square kilometers, which translates as 1.93 sq miles.
    I have some knowledge of urban engineering first hand. The population of 360,000, contained in urban area of 1.93 sq miles, is a recipe for a disaster within a week. The main problem will be: the sewer overflow.
    Who would understand it better, than a former mayor of the one largest cities of the world?

    Comment by Gasan — September 25, 2012 @ 8:23 pm

    • Before World War II started, the population of the area, where the Warsaw Ghetto was set up by the Nazis, was 375,000. When the Jewish Ghetto was created, the Nazis moved 113,000 Christian residents out and moved 138,000 Jewish residents in. The rest of the Warsaw Jews were already living in the Ghetto. Before they were forced to live in Ghettos, the Jews liked to live together in the same neighborhood in the heart of the city.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 26, 2012 @ 8:23 am

  3. Piers Morgan was saying ‘over 6 million Jews’, where did this new figure come from, have I missed something ?

    Comment by DB — September 25, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

    • Actually, the figure was 5 million. The 5 million number was proved at the Nuremberg IMT. Piers might have been counting some of the 5 million non-Jews as Jews. I’m sure that there must have been some crypto-Jews included in the 5 million non-Jews, a number that was made up by Simon Wiesenthal.

      Regarding the proof of the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust, this quote is from Wikipedia:

      Begin quote:
      During cross-examination, prosecutor Hausner asked Eichmann if he considered himself guilty of the murder of millions of Jews. Eichmann replied: “Legally not, but in the human sense … yes, for I am guilty of having deported them”. When Hausner produced as evidence a quote by Eichmann in 1945 stating: “I will leap into my grave laughing because the feeling that I have five million human beings on my conscience is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction.” Eichmann countered the claim saying that he was referring only to “enemies of the Reich”.[45]
      End Quote

      The 6 million number was first mentioned, following World War One. That’s why it is used, instead of the actual number of 5 million which was proved at Nuremberg.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 25, 2012 @ 1:24 pm


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