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October 13, 2012

Why did the Nazis destroy the crematoria in the death camps?

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 10:00 am

I am answering a recent comment on my blog with this new post.

Here is a quote from the reader’s comment:

“You need to see the Soviet and Allied anti-nazi propaganda after Majdanek was liberated if you want to understand why the Nazis destroyed their Kremas at Auschwitz. It was a horror propaganda mainly based on pictures of crematory ovens. When they destroyed their Kremas the Nazis destroyed Soviet propaganda weapons used against them. Ironically the only rooms that were only partially damaged in the Kremas were the alleged “gas chambers” and “undressing rooms”. There exists pictures of the interior the partially damaged morgues (the alleged “gas chambers” and ‘undressing rooms”). So the Nazis totally destroyed everything but the only rooms they supposedly wanted to hide.”

The crematorium building at the Majdanek camp, shown in the photo below, was allegedly burned down by the Germans on July 23, 1944, the day that the Soviet Union liberated the camp.

The crematorium at Majdanek was burned down

The black and white photo above shows the ruined crematorium in the Majdanek camp, as it allegedly looked when Soviet soldiers arrived at the camp on July 23, 1944. The wooden crematorium building had allegedly been set on fire by the Germans in order to burn the bodies of Polish political prisoners who had been brought from the Gestapo prison at the Castle in Lublin and executed the day before liberation. Their charred remains are shown in the foreground in the photo. In the background of the photo are the brick ovens with iron doors, which were not damaged in the fire. Strangely, the Majdanek gas chamber building, which is located down a steep slope at the other end of the camp, was not burned.  So why did the Germans leave evidence of gassing behind?

Why didn’t the Germans burn the large gas chamber building, which housed four gas chambers? Why did they take time out, from fighting the battle for the city of Lublin, to bring political prisoners from the Gestapo prison to the Majdanek camp and kill them in front of the cremation ovens?

Was it actually the Soviet soldiers who burned the Majdanek crematorium building, after first bringing prisoners from the Gestapo prison and killing them in front of the ovens?  The battle of Lublin, between the German troops and the Soviet soldiers, went on for two days, beginning on July 22, 1944. During those two days, the Germans allegedly burned down the crematorium after they allegedly brought the prisoners from the Gestapo prison in Lublin and shot them in front of the cremation ovens.  Supposedly, during the two-day battle, the Germans had no time to burn down the gas chamber building, nor to burn the 800,000 shoes found in the camp.

Majdanek crematorium building before it was burned

In my humble opinion, the crematorium was burned down by the Soviets after they had killed the political prisoners in the Gestapo prison and brought their bodies to the camp.

According to Martin Gilbert, as told in his book Holocaust Journey, there was a homicidal gas chamber in the wooden crematorium building, shown in the photo above. The building, and the alleged gas chamber, were both reconstructed by the Soviets. Since the gas chamber room is a reconstruction, it does not show the blue staining that is present in the other alleged gas chambers at Majdanek.

The gas chamber room in the reconstructed crematorium is very small; it has a hole in the ceiling for pouring in the Zyklon-B pellets, and there is a floor drain directly below the hole.  If this small room had been used as a gas chamber, the poison gas would have immediately gone down the drain before the prisoners could be gassed.  We are supposed to believe that this was how the Germans designed a homicidal gas chamber.  It looks like a shower room to me.

8 Comments

  1. Why would anyone deny the holocaust happened?

    My first questions about the holocaust began when I stumbled across population statistics from the Jewish World Almanac, especially records from the 1930s and 1940s. It seems that the figures do not reflect a loss of 6 million in the world Jewish population. In fact, a net gain was indicated, which would surely not be expected if 6 million Jews had been exterminated. So I checked the American Jewish Committee records from the same period. According to both publications, world Jewish population in 1933 was 15,315,000, and in 1948, the number of Jews in the world was 15,753,000. Curious indeed. A net increase of 438,000 people in a 15 year period — a period when 6 million of the demographic had been murdered. How could this be?
    I investigated further, knowing that a mistake had to have been made.
    But many other sources of Jewish population figures from the same era showed a similar Jewish population increase during that critical time period.
    Having worked as an investigator — including the investigations of insurance claims, embezzlement and fraudulent accounting — the closer I looked, the more surprised and suspicious I became.
    So, I wanted to get to the bottom of this. Wouldn’t you?
    Next, I discovered an interesting newspaper article and another piece of the puzzle.
    Based entirely on the complete wartime German concentration camp records that had been captured by the Soviets and (at the time) recently released, the New York Times on March 3, 1991 reported that the Auschwitz death total was 73,137. Of those, 38,031 were Jews.
    73,137 died at Auschwitz, of all causes, 38,031 of which were Jews. Not 1.1 million. Not 1.4 million. Certainly not the widely reported and believed 4 million that died there.
    These records document that the total of all persons who died (of disease, war-time deprivations, old age, executions etc), in the ENTIRE German prison camp system from 1935 to 1945 was 403,713.
    On page 288 of Volume 18 (1963) of the Encyclopedia Britannica, it clearly states that: “At Mauthausen, one of the extermination camps in Austria, close to 2,000,000 people, mostly Jews, were exterminated between 1941 and 1945.” Today, the US Holocaust Museum declares that “At least 95,000 died there. More than 14,000 were Jewish.” No claim of “extermination” is now mentioned.
    From what was once claimed by one source is directly contradicted by another, newer source. That is a difference of 1,905,000 alleged deaths. 2 million “mostly Jewish” had been revised to 14,000 Jewish deaths. It is now known that Mauthausen was not a so-called “death camp”. No public statement that around 1,986,000 Jews had not died there after all.
    Since 1946, a prominent marble plaque was displayed at the entrance to Auschwitz proclaiming a that “4 million died at the hands of the Nazis here”. It was quietly replaced in 1991 with a similar plaque, now proclaiming that “1.4 million people, mostly Jews, had died here”.
    Nowadays, the Auschwitz web site makes the claim that “1.1 million people” died there.
    No fanfare, no publicity, no announcement — that 2.6 to 2.9 million Jewish souls had not died there as once believed and widely advertised.
    Were there other mistakes? Oversights? Exaggerations?
    According to the the official three-volume report by the International Red Cross, the total deaths at all concentration/internment/labor and “extermination” camps that were operated by the Nazi regime was 271,304 — all nationalities, all religions and from all causes, (typhus and war-time deprivations chief among them).
    A part of the holocaust for 45 years, the WWII massacre of Polish elite in the Katyn Forest was attributed to the Nazis, as the blame was squarely laid there by the Soviet deputation at the Nuremberg trials. The Russian government officially admitted in 1990 that Soviet troops were responsible for the mass murder of 21,857 Polish elite. The British, French and American prosecutors and authorities at the Nuremberg trials knew this at the time and withheld it from the disclosure process.

    Here’s a link to an interesting scientific research project that was conducted at the Treblinka “death camp”, where, according to the Jewish Encyclopedia, 800,000 Jews were buried after being murdered in gas chambers:
    http://www.rense.com/general25/wwii.htm

    Now, I was experiencing the same thing I feel when I know that someone had lied to me during the investigation of an arson fire — or realizing that accouting records were telling a lie. But why would “a holocaust” be manufactured, exaggerated into history as a mass murder of 6 million Jews?

    Then, remarkably, I began to come across previous “holocausts” — some back as far as 1897 — always directed at the Jews, and always it was 6 million.

    The covenant between God/Yahweh and the Israelites was clear: “The Edomite Hebrews will return to Israel minus 6 million.” (Check the old testament)
    This is a fundamental aspect of the holocaust — and Zionist motives in their pursuit of a resettlement of Palestine.
    Without a clear understanding of the significance of this critical matter — and how deeply it is woven into Judaism and Zionist agendas — nothing else will really make sense.
    Around the same time that the first Zionist conference was held in 1897, the first “holocaust” was reported in the NY Times — and it was claimed that 6 million Jews were in peril. Soon afterward, those 6 million Jews were alleged to have been killed or murdered — by persons/groups or governments not well defined.
    And more “holocausts” were to follow — in fact, dozens. Always, it was the Jews and always it was 6 million.
    Here’s a sampling from a quick Google search. Please note the dates:

    1897 – “… nearly six million Jews were killed in the Bar-Cocheba revolt …” Article in Science of Religion, 1897

    1906 – “Startling reports of the condition and future of Russia’s 6,000,000 Jews … the Russian Government’s studied policy for the “solution” of the Jewish question is systematic and murderous extermination…” ~ Dr Paul Nathan’s article: View of Russian Massacre, the New York Times, March 25, 1906

    1908 – ” … poverty, starvation and disease are the afflictions which now beset the six million Jews in that country, [Russia], and Roumania.” ~ Deseret Evening News, March 17th, 1908

    1911 – “But the same righteous Governments, who are so nobly, industriously active to establish the eternal peace, are preparing, by their own confession, complete annihilation for six million people,” ~ Max Nordeau speaking at The 1911 Zionist Congress. Hecht, Ben. Perfidy. NY; Julian Messner. 1961. page 254

    1912 – Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, New York Tribune, September 11th, 1912, page 9 “Russia is now asphyxiating the Jews. It does not dare to offend the nations by blood spilling, so it is slowly, but surely grinding out the lives of 6,000,000 Jews.”

    1915 – “In the world today there are about 13,000,000 Jews, of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the very heart of the war zone, Jews whose lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow…”Louis Marshall in concert with Jacob H Schiff, Meyer London and Dr Enelow, New York Times, Article: Millions in Dire Distress, Jan 14, 1915

    1915 – The Sun (NY), June 6th, 1915, section 5, page 1
    “Six million Jews, one-half of the Jewish people throughout the world, are being persecuted, hounded, humiliated, tortured, starved. … six million Jews in Russia … are being tortured so mercilessly.”

    1916 – New York Herald, March 5th, 1916, Section III, p.10.
    “Six million Jews, old men, women and little children, are suffering from the greatest calamity that has befallen Israel since the Egyptian bondage.”

    1919 – The Corsicana Daily Sun, April 3rd, 1919, p.5
    “SIX MILLION ARE STARVING … It is estimated that there are six million Jewish women, children and aged men actually starving to death.

    1919 – New York Times, September 8th, 1919, page 6
    “127,000 Jews Have Been Killed and 6,000,000 Are in Peril. … 6,000,000 souls in Ukrainia and in Poland have received notice through action and by word that they are going to be completely exterminated – this fact stands before the whole world as the paramount issue of the present day.”

    1919 – Rushville Daily Republican, September 29th, 1919, page 4
    “The thought that as I walk the streets of this prosperous and happy town there are 6,000,000 people in other lands without food, shelter or raiment is disturbing. … When I read, as I have read all my life, of the persecution and slaughter of the Jews I am not proud of my own race or my religion. … Six million people perishing!”

    1919 – Schenectady Gazette, October 16th, 1919, page 15
    “Today 6,000,000 Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known in the Long History of the Race.”

    1919 – “The successive blows of contending armies have all but broken the back of European Jewry,’ he said, ‘and have reduced to tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth.” ~ Felix M. Warburg, New York Times, Sept 29, 1919. (Fourteen years before Hitler’s rise to power and twenty years before the outbreak of WWII.)

    1920 – “‘Hunger, cold rags, desolation, disease, death – Six million human beings, without food, shelter, clothing or medical treatment in what now are but the wastes of once fair lands, lands ravaged by long years of war or blighted by its consequences!” ~ Editorial, New York Times, May 2, 1920

    1921 – “BEGS AMERICA SAVE 6,000,000 IN RUSSIA. Russia’s 6,000,000 Jews are facing extermination by massacre.” ~ New York Times, July 20, 1921, page 2 (This time, it’s the Jews in Russia, and, of course, it’s 6 million of them)

    1922 – “The Jews in the immediate district for which the aid of the war sufferers’ campaign is to be given numbered over six million. Over 300,000 orphans, over 150,000 desecrated women, over six million wandering Jews walking, crawling in their misery, feeding on the bark of trees and on herbs that grow by the wayside.” ~ Lowell Sun (MA), March 22, 1922, pg 14

    1931 – “Six million Jews in Eastern Europe face starvation and even worse…” ~ Article titled: Six million Jews face starvation, Montreal Gazette, Dec 29, 1931.

    1936 – “This is no exaggeration to say that six million Jews are sentenced to be imprisoned in this part of the world [Europe] …” ~ Future Israeli president Chiam Weizmann, testifying before the Peel Commission, 1936

    1936 – “Great Britain has it within her power to throw open the gates of Palestine and let in the victimized and persecuted Jews escaping from the European holocaust.” ~ The Jewish Western Bulletin, June 2nd, 1936, page 3 (Three years before the outbreak of WWII.)

    1938 – “Six million Jews at this moment are trapped like rats … ” ~ The Guardian, April 4th, 1938, page 11 (18 months before WWII began.)

    1938 – “It is estimated that nearly six million Jews have been driven from their homes by ruthless oppressors and stripped not only of their property but their right to work for a living.” ~ Port Arthur News, June 9th, 1938, page 1

    1939 – “Does Mr. X really believe that if Hitler gains control of Spain with the help of Franco, that life in Spain will be any different than it is today in Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia where 6,000,000 Jews have been murdered, …” ~ The Daily Sentinel (Rome, NY), January 31st, 1939, page 11 (9 months before the the beginning of WWII.)

    1940 – “6,000,000 Jews are doomed to destruction…” ~ Nahum Goldman, Chairman or the World Jewish Congress, the Palm Beach Post, June 25, 1940 (Before any so-called “Nazi death camp” was constructed, anywhere.)

    Are the researchers that discover and reveal the truth about past allegations and claims regarding the holocaust anti-Semitic? By bringing this collection of easily documented matters into a public forum label me as a “Jew-hater”? Of course, this would be expected. Continue to believe what you wish — or what you are expected to believe.

    But ask yourself this: Should truth fear skeptical inquiry? What kind of truth requires lies to defend it?

    In the years following WWII, in their respective autobiographies, neither Winston Churchill nor Dwight Eisenhower make any mention of any Nazi concentration camp “gas chambers” or any program/policy of mass murder carried out against the Jews.

    Save the occasional, and usually brief, conversation about the horrors that the Jews suffered at the hands of their Nazi tormentors and murderers, discussion about the so-called “holocaust” is essentially taboo. Question the ever-present “six million Jews that were gassed to death” and you can find yourself being chastised, ostracized and shunned as a Jew-hater.

    When one is able to cast serious doubt on, or disprove an aspect of the “official holocaust narrative”, is that to disrespect the dead? Is this to stain a “badge of honor” worn by the Jewish community? If my neighbor’s grandmother died in a German concentration camp, am I sullying her memory by pointing out that, as a Jew, she was, indeed, interred — but not in a so-called “death camp”?
    That many thousands of Jews and non-Jews died as a direct result of war-time deprivations and disease?

    Always, it’s the images. Images showing stacks of emaciated bodies, bodies being bulldozed into mass graves, walking corpses, horrible living conditions and inhumane treatment. And accompanying the photographs and newsreels are the commentary — the captions to tell us what we’re seeing. We the onlookers are always told (or through implication) that these are images of the poor Jews. They are always Jews — suffering the horrors of their Nazi monsters.

    Chances are, that you don’t really know when you first learned of the “holocaust” — and the figure of six million was inserted into your belief system. Most people don’t. And the associated sympathy, grief, shame and even guilt are automatic reactions — a fundamental aspect of human nature.

    Finally, consider the following selection of public quotes from prominent Jewish leaders. (Please google any/all quote(s) to verify authenticity), and please note the dates:

    “Germany is the enemy of Judaism and must be pursued with deadly hatred. The goal of Judaism of today is: a merciless campaign against all German peoples and the complete destruction of the nation. We demand a complete blockade of trade, the importation of raw materials stopped, and retaliation towards every German, woman and child.” (Jewish professor A. Kulischer, October, 1937)

    “The millions of Jews who live in America, England and France, North and South Africa, and, not to forget those in Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany to its final end.” (The Jewish newspaper, Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland, September 13, 1939)

    “Kill the Germans, wherever you find them! Every German is our moral enemy. Have no mercy on women, children, or the aged! Kill every German — wipe them out!” (Llya Ehrenburg, Glaser, p. 111).

    “Germany must be turned into a waste land, as happened there during the 30-year War.” (Das Morgenthau-Tagebuch, The Morgenthau Dairy, p. 11).

    “The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish community, on every conference, in all labor unions and by every single Jew in the world. There are reasons for the assumption that our share in this fight is of general importance. We shall start a spiritual and material war of the whole world against Germany. Germany is striving to become once again a great nation, and to recover her lost territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany…” (Valadimir Jabotinsky, in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934)

    “For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community, at each conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe that our part in this struggle has general value. We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all the world against Germany’s ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of Germany. Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us Jews.” ~ Vladimir Jabotinsky (founder of the Jewish terrorist group, Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934 (also quoted in Histoire de l’Armée Allemande by Jacques Benoist-Mechin, Vol. IV, p. 303).

    “Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon.” ~ Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book The New Holy Alliance)

    “We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany.” ~ David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in I Testify Against The Jews by Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 and The Jewish War of Survival by Arnold Leese, page 52).

    “Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal. At the Nuremberg Trials, I, together with my Russian colleague, condemned Nazi Aggression and Terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German People did not want war. But we, {England}, declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of Balance of Power, and we were encouraged by the Americans Jews around Roosevelt. We ignored Hitler’s pleading, not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realize that Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany: instead, since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet Empire. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused Hitler of, are being relentless pursued now, only under a different label.” (Ashamed and Humiliated The British Attorney General, Sir Hartle Shawcross, said in a speech at Stourbridge, March 16, 1984. (AP))

    So, maybe things aren’t as simple as we are to believe — or, told to believe. The public record still contains many aspects of the so-called holocaust that soundly dispute many of the central claims.

    So why is it that some people come to doubt the story of the holocaust?
    The reasons are likely as varied as the claims that are made — but when a claim becomes suspicious in its veracity, like any evidence in a court proceeding, accompanying evidence must also be sensibly scrutinized.
    Immense crimes must be documented — and the claims verified with evidence.
    If you prefer to believe what you are told to believe, go no further.
    However, there are ways to satisfy yourself as to the claims made — if it matters to you.
    To wit:
    Sensible, meaningful research, independent thinking, and a genuine desire to know the truth beyond group-think.
    A keen eye on historical data; world Jewish population statistics (from a wide variety of credible and unbiased sources) before and after the “holocaust”.
    A true grasp of pre-war emigration and post-war population absorption.
    Rational comparisons and assessments of inconsistencies and contradictions through so-called “eye-witness accounts by death camp survivors”.
    Further absurdities and wild inconsistencies from Jewish “gas chamber and crematorium personnel” (especially in the way bodies were handled and moved).
    Meaningful recognition of the caballistic figure of “6 million” and what it means.
    Full knowledge and understanding of the many so-called “holocausts” (always supposedly directed at the Jews) that were reported beginning as early as the late 1800s, all in the public record.
    Jewish claims of “6 million Jews murdered” months and years before the war’s end.
    Logistical impossibilities.
    Reconstructed “gas chambers” after the war’s end.
    Manufactured and staged evidence.
    Not one body under German control found to have been a victim of gassing. Not one.
    Recognition that worldwide Jewish leadership openly and publicly declared economic war on Germany — in 1933 — 6 years before the outbreak of WWII.
    Tortured confessions of captured high-ranking concentration camp officials and guards.
    Absurd, disproven claims of execution methods (diesel exhaust, electrocution, drowning etc).
    Recognition of world Zionist agendas — many of which are in the public record — but, most of all, an open mind, a critical eye and a moderate application of common sense.

    Comment by Scary Truth — February 17, 2015 @ 11:53 pm

    • You wrote: “Ashamed and Humiliated The British Attorney General, Sir Hartle Shawcross, said in a speech at Stourbridge, March 16, 1984. (AP))”

      A few years ago, I did some research on this subject and then I blogged about it at

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/the-famous-speech-allegedly-made-in-march-1984-by-sir-hartley-shawcross-at-stourbridge-england/

      Comment by furtherglory — February 18, 2015 @ 7:12 am

    • Thank you very much for putting all this information together.

      You wrote: “Chances are, that you don’t really know when you first learned of the “holocaust” — and the figure of six million was inserted into your belief system. Most people don’t. And the associated sympathy, grief, shame and even guilt are automatic reactions — a fundamental aspect of human nature.”

      You are right. I don’t remember when I first heard about the 6 million. I was born in 1933 so I was a child during World War II. I am pretty sure that I didn’t hear the 6 million figure until long after the war. I would estimate that I was at least 45 years old (1978) when I heard about the 6 million on a TV show.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 18, 2015 @ 7:18 am

  2. If somebody is interested in the Soviet propaganda after Majdanek was liberated, see this newspaper article: http://cdn1.tabletmag.com/wp-content/files_mf/129495605707_Trakhman_Tseitlin_et_al_Majdanek_Aug_31_1944_Ogonek.jpg (August 31, 1944).

    It was published about one month after Majdanek was liberated by the Red Army (July 22, 1944). As you can see this propaganda was mainly based on photographies and especially on pictures of crematory ovens. Who can still be surprised by the destruction of Auschwitz Kremas after seeing how the Soviet anti-nazi propagandists worked at that time? What army would leave its crematories behind with such propagandists arriving?

    Ironically another important picture in this article is the picture of a pile of shoes. Very efficient propaganda method…for anybody ignoring that one of the job of the prisoners at Majdanek was to repair shoes. 😉

    Comment by hermod — October 20, 2012 @ 8:24 am

  3. The Germans blew up the AB Krema so the Poles (read: Soviets) couldn’t include them in this 1947 shot on location movie.

    @ 9:00 check out the flame belching chimneys

    @ 6:10, especially when paused @ 6:23, I’m fairly certain that is the model on display in the stammlager’s Block 4

    http://auschwitz-2012.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/auschwitz-1-block-4.html

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — October 13, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

    • I think the model in the film is rather smaller than the one on display in stammlager4. It does look very similar to the model that is shown to visitors to the German History Museum in Unter den Linden. This so called history museum as you can imagine offers only the official version

      Comment by Pete — October 13, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

      • Sorry, I forgot about the enormous one in Block 4,

        I meant the smaller one. This one:

        Not this one:

        Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — October 13, 2012 @ 5:45 pm

  4. I did a recent tour of the post 1950 cold war bunker in Berlin shown to tourists. Here was shelter for 5000 in case the Red army decided to come over. What struck me was the peep holes in the doors of the gas shelter and the large shower room adjacent which was of course to wash off contamination. I think the gas chambers at Auschwitz or Leichenkeller had an area partitioned for usage as a shelter against gas attacks in a similar manner and this all adds to the confusion which helps the fable.

    Comment by Pete — October 13, 2012 @ 11:08 am


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