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December 13, 2012

Holocaust survivor has identified himself in a famous photo taken by Margaret Bourke-White

Filed under: Buchenwald, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 12:30 pm
Famous Buchenwald photo taken by Margaret Bourke-White

Famous Buchenwald photo taken by Margaret Bourke-White

A big THANK YOU to Tal Forkos who has identified her grandfather, Herman Forkos, in the famous photo above, which was taken by Margaret Bourke-White on April 15, 1945, the day that she arrived at the Buchenwald camp, along with General Patton. Herman Forkos is the 19-year-old man on the left, wearing a short jacket, with his hand on the barbed wire fence.

Margaret Bourke-White’s famous Buchenwald photo, captioned “Survivors at the Wire,” was published in Life magazine on December 26, 1960 in a special double-issue entitled “25 Years of LIFE.”

Tal Forkos has her own blog at http://www.tofes630.com/blog/?p=1013.

On her blog, which I translated, using Google Translate, Tal mentioned that her grandfather did not know the names of the other prisoners in the photo.

I believe that the man in the center of the photo is Simon Toncman. Three men from the Netherlands are in the famous photo: Simon Toncman, Helman Leefsma, and Max Hamburger.  All three had been sent to Buchenwald after they had been captured while fighting with the French resistance. Simon Toncman is the man in the center, who has his hand on the barbed wire.

Monument honors French Resistance fighters who were prisoners at Buchenwald

Monument honors French Resistance fighters who were prisoners at Buchenwald

The photo above was taken by Tech/5 Dan Curtain, a soldier in General George S. Patton’s Third Army, who visited the Buchenwald camp several days after it was liberated on April 11, 1945.

The monument shown in the photo is a Memorial stone that was erected by the Communist prisoners at Buchenwald on 19 April 1945 in honor of the political prisoners in the camp. The Jewish Holocaust survivors at Buchenwald were not allowed to attend the ceremonies on the day that this monument was dedicated.

The Memorial stone, shown in the photo above, was moved in 1961 to a spot called Frederic-Manhes-Platz, which is the place where the road to the camp branches off from the main road up the hill called the Ettersberg. The place where it now stands was named after a French Resistance fighter named Col. Henri Frederic Manhes. Buchenwald was one of the main camps to which captured partisans in the French Resistance were deported.

Simon Toncman is also in another famous photo taken at Buchenwald, which is shown below.

Famous photo taken in Block 56 at Buchenwald

Famous photo taken in Block 56 at Buchenwald

The famous photo above was taken at the Buchenwald concentration camp, inside  Block #56, by Private H. Miller of the Civil Affairs Branch of the U. S. Army Signal Corps on April 16, 1945, five days after the camp was liberated by the Sixth Armored Division of the US Third Army on April 11, 1945. The photo was published by the New York Times on May 6, 1945 with the caption “Crowded Bunks in the Prison Camp at Buchenwald.”
Strangely, Simon Toncman never talked about being in the most famous Holocaust photo of all time?  Was he ashamed that he had posed naked with nothing but a striped shirt hiding the lower half of his body? Notice that Toncman and several men in the photo have nicely trimmed beards, but the other prisoners are clean shaven.

Now look at the man in the center of the photo at the top of my blog post.  Is this Simon Toncman posing with a group of prisoners at Buchenwald?  Compare the two photos below.

Closeup of man in photo of Barracks No. 56

Closeup of man in photo of Barracks No. 56

Closeup of man in the center of the photo at the Buchenwald fence

Closeup of man in the center of the photo at the Buchenwald fence

Simon Toncman was not Jewish.  He was a captured Resistance fighter, who was sent to Buchenwald because it was one of the main camps for Resistance fighters.  So what is he doing in two photos of Jewish Holocaust survivors?

Notice that both Simon Toncman and Herman Forkos are wearing French berets, which were worn by the Communists who ran the camp, according to General Patton.

When the Buchenwald camp was originally opened, the Nazis brought convicted criminals from the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to run the camp internally. But after the first Commandant, Karl Otto Koch, was relieved of his duties and sent to Majdanek, the new Commandant, Hermann Pister, allowed the Communist prisoners to take over the internal administration of the camp.

The following quote is from Robert Abzug in his book Inside the Vicious Heart:

Meanwhile, in all this upheaval, the new commandant Hermann Pister allowed a German Communist prisoner group, some of them original inmates of the camp, to wrest power from the ‘greens.’ (The greens were common criminals who wore green triangles.) The Communist prisoners reduced the amount of black marketeering and other common corruption, cut down the amount of wanton sadism on the part of prisoner trustees (or Kapos), and made plans for the ultimate takeover of the camp in case of Nazi defeat. But in other ways the Communists merely shifted the ground of corruption to the assignment of work details, food, medical care, and ultimately life. From their takeover until the end of the war, favored treatment was often received on the basis of political loyalties. The Nazis for their part, gained from the Communist regime a more predictable work force and a greater sense of order.

The Communists, who ran the Buchenwald camp, wore French berets to identify themselves to the other prisoners.  So why is a Jewish Holocaust survivor wearing a French beret in a famous photo taken at Buchenwald?

The Small Camp at Buchenwald

The Small Camp at Buchenwald

The Jewish prisoners were isolated at Buchenwald in a special section called the “Small Camp,” which was located at the bottom of a slope, far away from the gatehouse at the entrance to the camp. The “Small Camp” was separated from the rest of the Buchenwald camp by a barbed wire fence, which is shown in the photo above. The “Small Camp” was built where the soccer field had previously been located. It was used as a Quarantine camp for Jewish prisoners who had been evacuated from Auschwitz and other camps and brought to Buchenwald in the last months of the war.

The Communist political prisoners, who lived in the nice barracks near the gatehouse, discriminated against the Jewish prisoners and would not allow them into their nicer section unless they received a bribe. After the camp was liberated, the Jews were not even allowed to attend the celebration ceremony which was conducted by the Communist prisoners near the gatehouse.

Conditions inside the “Small Camp” were far worse than in the main part of the Buchenwald camp. The Jews were forced to live in crowded barracks and disease was rampant.

Buchenwald was primarily a camp for political prisoners. The Jewish prisoners had only arrived there after the death camps, located in what is now Poland, were closed because of the advance of the army of the Soviet Union. The Jews were immediately isolated at Buchenwald because they had to be quarantined in order to ensure that they were not carrying any diseases. In spite of this, a typhus epidemic broke out in the camp; half of all the prisoners who died at Buchenwald died during the epidemic.

73 Comments

  1. I do not understand you can ask the question about the aim of the Second World War.

    You need not have studied the fall of the Tsar of Russia, who helped England to create communism in Russia. (the same religion as usual doing research on the characters, their names and ethnic origins)

    It is the Jews who led the Russians to the Gulag.

    In France the work was already débiuté with the French Revolution, where financial Jews allied themselves with the Freemasons to overthrow King Louis XVI.

    The USa at the outset some of the founding fathers were convinced to create a new session. (you can search)

    We are all colonized by Isra-Hell, Europe, Russia, USA and certainly China through communism.

    115 years, through two world wars made ​​only for the Jews, and many other wars in Europe and the U.S. are killing their children for the Jews who have never done anything with their lives than to exploit others. Soon World War III will once again for the benefit of Jews without their salisent hands.

    When the slave ships 85% belonged to Jews. Do some research in the archives.

    Comment by Aladeen — October 4, 2013 @ 1:07 am

  2. It really does not matter what this evil beastly system did or did noit do in WW2 what these evil rulres of this world have planned for you is a lot worse than you think.

    http://www.yahweh.com

    Take care
    Okie

    Comment by Billy Davis — January 6, 2013 @ 7:20 am

  3. I have written the promised article, and a second one, about the famous Buchenwald Photograph with the standing, naked man. http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/discovered-iconic-photo-in-buchenwald-is-dishonest-photo-fakery/ and http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/break-the-spell-magic-and-trickery-are-what-the-holocaust-is-made-of/.

    Comment by Carolyn Yeager — December 23, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

  4. Miss Forkos forgot to mention her grandfather had been operated on by Dr. Mengele, who managed to reduce the width of Simon Toncman’s lower lip by 2, if not by 3, between the Block #56 and+ the barbed wire fence pictures.

    Comment by Eager For Answers — December 14, 2012 @ 8:27 am

    • I don’t understand your comment. Ms. Forkos did not say that Simon Toncman was in the photo with her grandfather. She wrote that her grandfather DID NOT KNOW any of the other prisoners in the photo. This seemed strange to me because 3 men in the photo at the fence have been identified incluing Simon Toncman. She did not say that Simon Toncman was in the photo taken in Block #56. I was the one who wrote that. He was identified by the Buchenwald Memorial Site as the man standing up in the photo.

      Comment by furtherglory — December 14, 2012 @ 11:48 am

      • Oops!

        Sorry furtherglory, I was alluding to the pictures of two bearded men you singled out; they are not the same person.

        Comment by Eager For Answers — December 14, 2012 @ 6:56 pm

        • Eager For Answers wrote: “…alluding to the pictures of two bearded men you singled out; they are not the same person.”

          One difference I have now noticed between them is that the bearded man at the fence appears to be of average height, even though he has a commanding presence. The bearded man in Barracks 56 appears to be above-average height, even what would be called ‘tall,’ though his height looks to be mostly from his torso which looks a bit too “long” for the rest of his body … as if it doesn’t really belong to him. 😀

          Comment by Carolyn Yeager — December 23, 2012 @ 6:54 pm

      • furtherglory, who has identified the man at the fence as Simon Toncman? I thought it was just your idea. Where can I find three of the men in that photo identified by name? Thanks.

        Comment by Carolyn Yeager — December 24, 2012 @ 8:00 am

  5. Sorry this is off topic but i had to post it somewhere.. I found this in the Trove digital archive about 10 minutes ago and appears to be a cryptic message.. I had to type it out because the print is quite faint but if you like i can post a link ..

    Friday 21 October 1938

    WEALTHY YOUNG MAN

    An extremely -wealthy young man is In Sydney at the moment, but Is making no splash as It were. He is one of the Rothschilds, aged 22, nephew of the host of the Duke of Windsor. He says the amount of ransom claimed by Hitler from Rothschild has been exaggerated, it is said to be six million, but what ever it is he adds proudly, it will be.

    Dam that’s creepy. Elizabeth De Rothschild died of Typhus in a Concentration camp, How fitting.. or Ironic..

    Comment by owainglyndwr1416 — December 13, 2012 @ 7:11 pm

    • Please post a link.

      In his memoirs, her ex-husband, Philippe de Rothschild, claims she was thrown alive into a crematory oven at Ravensbrueck.

      Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 13, 2012 @ 7:37 pm

      • He also claimed there were gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen.
        http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/rothschild-bergen-belsens-gas-chambers.html

        Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 13, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

        • Many wild stories have been thrown around concerning the Camps ..Irene Zisblatt’s Diamond tale for instance but they don’t get as bold faced as this.. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/50262325?searchTerm=Jews+thrown+live+into+road+mixer&searchLimits

          There must have been a few raised eyebrows and anxious face palms when that was entered as evidence..

          Comment by owainglyndwr1416 — December 13, 2012 @ 10:39 pm

          • My goodness, that Jew had some tall tales. Good find.

            Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 14, 2012 @ 10:41 am

            • Awesome comment; It put a smile on my face .. There was another wild story where inmates were forced to climb treas then the trees would be cut down.. What sort of Drugs were they taking to dream that stuff up ? No-one would dare say to me in front of my face “Well Its true” as i would have to slap them back to some semblance of reality. How they have managed to keep this lie going for nearly 70 years is incredible. Are there really that many dumb, ignorant creatures out there who are unable to spot complete and utter lies and fabrications ? it appears so… Maybe they know it is a lie but they are afraid to speak out for fear of being accused of holocaust denial or anti Semitism..

              Comment by owainglyndwr1416 — December 14, 2012 @ 11:50 am

            • If it weren’t so serious it would be funny as innocent people died because of these kinds of lies http://www.thephora.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-47085.html

              Comment by owainglyndwr1416 — December 14, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

        • I followed the link to your blog, where I read this:

          Begin quote:
          Belsen came first: the furances used for burning corpses were still smoking. To enter the camp area we had to wear gas masks, protective clothing and gloves. Once inside, all we could do was wander among the half dead, murmuring useless words, trying to avoid the eyes of men and women who were not much more than skeletons in rags.

          I was shown the files in the administration section, the bills and receipts, neatly typed and rubber stamped, “We beg to acknowledge delivery of your improved gas chambers. We have found them most efficient.” 4
          End Quote

          He says the furnaces (plural) were still smoking. There was only one cremation oven at Bergen-Belsen.

          The receipt, which he found in the administrative section of Bergen-Belsen, was undoubtedly written in German. The German word for a disinfection chamber was Gaskammer. He assumed that this was a homicidal gas chamber for gassing Jews, but it was a gas chamber for disinfecting clothing. The American liberators of the Dachau camp made the same mistake when they found four disinfection “gas chambers” which had the word Gaskammer on the door.

          Comment by furtherglory — December 14, 2012 @ 6:05 am

          • Belsen had a large permanent and expensive looking delousing facility. Why would they have needed “improved gas chambers” “delivered”!
            http://bergen-belsen2012.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/disinfection-building.html

            Rothschild wrote those memoirs 40 years after the end of the war, so who knows what he was banging on about, he clearly didn’t.

            Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 14, 2012 @ 10:50 am

            • Good photos of the delousing facility. Thanks for posting a link to your photos.

              How do you “deliver” a gas chamber? Could it be that it was “steam chambers” that were delivered for the purpose of disinfecting clothing?

              Comment by furtherglory — December 14, 2012 @ 11:42 am

          • “The German word for a disinfection chamber was Gaskammer. He assumed that this was a homicidal gas chamber for gassing Jews, but it was a gas chamber for disinfecting clothing. The American liberators of the Dachau camp made the same mistake when they found four disinfection “gas chambers” which had the word Gaskammer on the door.é

            The Allied propagandists didn’t make any mistake. The gassing hoax of Dachau was a deliberate policy. The guys of the U.S. Psychological Warfare Division knew how to do their job. Dachau was at the core of the American anti-nazi propaganda from 1933 (Press articles of that time clearly demonstrate that). So when Dachau was captured by American troops in 1945 there had to be a homicidal gas chamber there. The American public needed that. And the American government needed that (the homicidal gas chamber and other alleged “Nazi atrocities”) to justify its war (“45th Division News, Vol. V, No. 32, Page 1, May 13, 1945: Dachau Gives Answer to Why We Fought”).

            I said it was not a mistake but a deliberate policy because the American propagandists photographed the door of a delousing gas chamber (http://www.nyhetsspeilet.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/dachaugas.jpg) and made the U.S. Congressmen tour another room (http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN%2040/beeld-11.jpg) with a different door (http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/Photos2007/BrausebadDoor.jpg). The movie that was shown in Nuremberg clearly demonstrates that deliberate cheating policy: pictures of the “shower room” were mixed with pictures of alleged gassing apparatus and pictures of Zyklon B cans. There was a clear purpose of deception. The people seeing this movie were supposed to think that all these pictures were linked.

            Naturally the American soldiers visiting the Dachau camp knew nothing of these tricks and sincerely thought they had seen a real homicidal gas chamber.

            Comment by hermie — December 14, 2012 @ 6:17 pm

            • Excellent video! It starts off with the narrator mispronouncing the word Dachau. Then he says that, from 1941 to 1944, there were 30,000 prisoners in the camp. Wrong! Only in the last few days were there as many as 30,000 prisoners, as prisoners from the sub-camps were brought to the main camp. The clothes are shown outside the disinfection chambers, hanging up AFTER they had been disinfected. A few flakes of snow are falling on the clothes, indicating that this shot was taken on May 1, 1945 when it snowed at Dachau.

              The narrator says that the prisoners were handed soap and towels before going into the gas chamber. Germany was fighting a losing war and the camp administrators would not have wasted soap and towels to spare the feelings of the people allegedly being gassed. After mispronouncing Brausebad, the narrator mentions the “gas vents.” These were the vents that were allegedly used to vent the gas out of the room. Actually, these are two empty light fixture boxes. The “dummy shower heads” are shown; the shower heads were stuck into the ceiling, and not attached to any pipes. Then the “engineer’s room” is shown with four “push buttons” which were obviously used to turn the lights on and off in the shower room. An unopened can of Zyklon-B is shown as the narrator says that it contained “powder.” This proves that the Americans did not open any of cans found in the camp, or they would have seen that they contained pellets, not powder. The final conclusion: The construction of the “gas chamber” inside the shower room was a hurry-up job, done in only a couple of days after the camp was “liberated.” It was then shown to 19-year-old American farm boys who had no idea of what a gas chamber should look like, unless they were from Missouri and had seen a real gas chamber on a school trip to Jefferson City, as I did.

              Comment by furtherglory — December 15, 2012 @ 5:56 am

              • Dachau was handed over to US troops on April 29th and it looks like this film was made only a few days after. It was obviously part of the US psychops push to demonize the enemy. Do you think the shower heads were put up by the US psychops boys ? They look at 1 min.20 sec to be stuck on with some soft putty ( although this might be the shadow of the film lights it does’nt appear to be the shadow..)

                Comment by Pete — December 15, 2012 @ 8:08 am

              • “The narrator says that the prisoners were handed soap and towels before going into the gas chamber. ”

                Exactly the same procedure as in the allegely true gas chambers of Birkenau. How strange…

                It’s now admitted that the gassings of Dachau were a lie (even if the exterminationnists, after admitting during decades the Dachau gas chamber was never used, now say it was used for small and rare gassings). So the American propagandists lied when they described the alleged gassing process at Dachau (deceitful shower, fake showerheads, soap and towels). What permits to say the Soviet propagandists told the truth when they used the same lie about Birkenau?

                Comment by hermie — December 15, 2012 @ 9:05 am

                • I will have to look it up to make sure, but I think that Rudolf Hoess included the “soap and towels” detail in one of his confessions. I also recall that Filip Mueller mentioned “soap and towels” in his book about his work as a Sonderkommando, removing bodies from the gas chambers at Auschwitz. However, these sources would not have been known on April 29, 1945 when the American liberators at Dachau saw the “soap and towels” in the undressing room of the “gas chamber” that looked like a shower room.

                  Comment by furtherglory — December 15, 2012 @ 9:42 am

                • Re the shrunken heads: You might want to check out the documentary Buchenwald: A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil.

                  Comment by Rachel — December 15, 2012 @ 1:33 pm

                • “However, these sources would not have been known on April 29, 1945 when the American liberators at Dachau saw the “soap and towels” in the undressing room of the “gas chamber” that looked like a shower room.”

                  These sources wouldn’t but Ehrenburg’s Black Book was (http://books.google.be/books?id=wvyX6Vjkq3MC&pg=PA472&lpg=PA472&dq=ehrenburg+black+book+soap+towel&source=bl&ots=BM84ygEmUZ&sig=C3UoKS5cANInUzE7L-Zo12za9AE&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=yC3NUNDhG-PM0AWx84HABQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ehrenburg%20black%20book%20soap%20towel&f=false).

                  The shower story was disseminated before the end of WW2.

                  Examples:

                  Famous “Vrba-Wetzler report” also called “The Auschwitz Protocols” (published in November 1944)

                  “The unfortunate victims are brought into hall where they are told to undress. To complete the fiction that they are going to bathe, each person receives a towel and a small piece of soap issued by two men clad in whites coats. They are then crowded into the gas chamber in such numbers there is, of course, only standing room.

                  To compress this crowd into the narrow space, shots are often fired to induce those already at the far end to huddle still closer together. When everybody is inside, the heavy doors are closed. Then there is a short pause, presumably to allow the room temperature to rise to a certain level, after which 55 men (!) with gas masks climb on the roof, open the traps, and shake down a preparation in powder form (?) out of tin cans labeled “CYCLONE” “For use against vermin,” which is manufactured by a Hamburg concern.

                  It is presumed that this is a “CYANIDE” mixture of some sort which turns into gas at a certain temperature. After three minutes (!)everyone in the chamber is dead. No one is known to have survived this ordeal, although it was not uncommon to discover signs of life after the primitive measures employed in the Birch Wood.

                  The chamber is then opened, aired, and the “special squad” carts the bodies on flat trucks (?) to the furnace rooms where the burning takes place.”

                  http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/auschproto2.html

                  Newspaper The Argus (Melbourne) – April 21, 1945

                  “She spent six months in Auschwitz-Birkenau, near the Polish frontier, where four million Jews, men, women and children, were asphyxiated and burned […] the asphyxiation chamber. They were told it was an ablution chamber. To delude inquisitive minds showers were turned on the victims but at the same time deadly gas from jets in the floor was turned on.”

                  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1091162?searchTerm=shower auschwitz&searchLimits=

                  Comment by hermie — December 15, 2012 @ 6:58 pm

              • Linking up delousing procedures – life saving procedures – to extermination. That’s a brilliant ploy to be connected to inmate rumors. Dachau had showers, right, had delousing chambers, right? But that homicidal gas chamber was a post war “reconstruction”…..

                Comment by Andreas Meyer — July 14, 2014 @ 12:09 pm

            • This policy of deception is still being practised by leading Holocaust historians today.

              Unfortunately their subterfuges are complicated, and it takes dedication for anyone to learn the truth, even when it’s spelt out for them.
              http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/david-cesaranis-big-lie-about-irving.html

              Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 15, 2012 @ 8:24 am

              • The Dachau ” dummy shower heads ” look like the sort of things which used to attach to an old watering can, yet now are Holocaust Icons. It was all rather improvised at US psychops in April 1945 so we have the shrunken heads form Jura University along with a few pathology pots from the anatomy department and on the way the psychops get a few watering can heads to attach to the ” shower room”. The props department was very low budget!

                Comment by Pete — December 15, 2012 @ 8:57 am

                • “It was all rather improvised at US psychops in April 1945 so we have the shrunken heads form Jura University along with a few pathology pots from the anatomy department ”

                  Do you have infos about the shrunken heads and Jura University? I knew they were South American shrunken heads but I didn’t know where the U.S. propagandists had collected them before bringing them to Buchenwald.

                  As a biologist I can confirm that all the anatomy departments of the world have collections containing objects similar to the artifacts shown at Buchenwald by the U.S. Psychological Warfare Division.

                  Comment by hermie — December 15, 2012 @ 9:18 am

                • If the dummy shower heads at Dachau were from watering cans, the cans would have had to have been huge, as the shower heads were about 5 inches across. I took a photo of the last shower head in 2001. I think that all of the shower heads have now been stolen as souvenirs by tourists. I have a photo of the last shower head on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/interior04.html I also have photos of what a real shower room looked like at that time.

                  I am waiting for someone to punch a hole in the ceiling that was put up by the American liberators, so that we can see the original shower pipes on the original 10-foot-high ceiling.

                  Comment by furtherglory — December 15, 2012 @ 9:20 am

                • Would it be possible for someone of a distinguished appearance and elderly to visit the Dachau ” gas chamber” with a walking stick and tap the ceiling to see if it is hollow?

                  Comment by Pete — December 15, 2012 @ 10:13 am

                • There are lots of tourists who visit Dachau. On my visits to Dachau, it was possible to walk into the former camp BEFORE the gate was officially open at 9 a.m. I am not sure if you can still do that.

                  If you want to be alone in the “gas chamber,” this will take some planning. I would suggest getting there as early as possible, and as soon as the gate is opened, head immediately to Baracke X, which is outside the prison enclosure. When the camp was in operation, it was possible to walk to the gas chamber building without going through the camp. Now you have to go through the camp to get to the “gas chamber” building, called Baracke X. The tour groups and most of the visitors will first visit the Museum and other sights before heading to the “gas chamber.” To have time alone in the “gas chamber,” you must get there early, and pass up all the other attractions.

                  I am not sure what you mean by “hollow.” I am sure that there is an empty space between the present ceiling and another ceiling which is 10 feet above the floor. I think that the original water pipes are still in that space.

                  Comment by furtherglory — December 15, 2012 @ 10:37 am

                • “I am waiting for someone to punch a hole in the ceiling that was put up by the American liberators, so that we can see the original shower pipes on the original 10-foot-high ceiling.”

                  “I am sure that there is an empty space between the present ceiling and another ceiling which is 10 feet above the floor. I think that the original water pipes are still in that space.”

                  That’s my opinion too.

                  http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2011/volume_3/number_4/reexamining_the_gas_chamber_of_dachau.php

                  If someone punched a hole in the American ceiling, what a hole in the credibility of the Holocaust itself it would be! The exterminationists were forced to concede that the Soviets/Poles “rebuilt” the Auschwitz alleged “gas chamber” that was presented as a gas chamber in its original state during decades (Krema I). What a punch in the stomach of the exterminationists if they were forced to concede that the Americans have built a fake nazi gas chamber too. It would clearly demonstrate that all the winners of WW2 had a pre-conceived deliberate policy of lies and deception about the Nazi concentration camps and especially their alleged homicidal “gas chambers”. 😉

                  Comment by hermie — December 15, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

  6. Excellent post Futherglory.

    You inspired me to go and buy the said NYT article.

    Here’s that picture from it:

    Here’s the full article:

    I’ve mentioned it before, but that man/boy in the photo does look an awful lot like a young Elie Wiesel.

    Wiesel in 1948 or 1949
    http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/en-us/91372.html

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 13, 2012 @ 7:09 pm

    • The paragraph before last where it describes the Germans docility and industry is the only accurate paragraph in the article . The rest is allied US psychops propaganda. It also describes their craving to obey somebody and at present it is their US and Zionist masters.

      Comment by Pete — December 14, 2012 @ 6:05 am

    • that man/boy in the photo does look an awful lot like a young Elie Wiesel.

      Ha, ha, ha, Black Rabbit, British humor, I guess. 😉

      Comment by Eager For Answers — December 14, 2012 @ 7:59 am

      • Here we go again, wondering what Black Rabbit is up to. It’s not humor, I’m sure he’s expecting to be taken seriously. First, the man in the barracks photo must be 16 years old to be Elie Wiesel. Does he look it? Please refer to http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/computer-program-judges-elie-wiesel-in-buchenwald-to-be-30-36-years-of-age/ The close-up of Wiesel “in ‘1948 or ’49’ — he would be 19 or 20 years old. He looks just that age.

        The nose is totally different in the two pics, plus the mouth. The real Elie has that distinctive “cupids bow” lower lip, and upper lip too — it was Eager For Answers who originally pointed that out to me. The barracks occupant has fuller lips without the curves. The shape of the head is also noticeably different – our barracks boy has a round head, rather short forehead and a receding hairline. The real Elie has a long head, high forehead and thick growth of hair coming right down to a youthful hairline.

        It’s amazing how people can “see” resemblances between people when they want to. Does Black Rabbit want to claim that Elie Wiesel is in that barracks photo? If so, for what purpose? Does Black Rabbit refuse to read the articles and blogs at Elie Wiesel Cons The World (http://eliewieseltattoo.com), where all of this is explained? If so, why?

        Comment by Carolyn Yeager — December 15, 2012 @ 7:08 pm

    • Thanks Black Rabbit for putting these precious archives at our disposal.

      Comment by Eager For Answers — December 15, 2012 @ 7:38 am

    • You inspired me to go and buy the said NYT article.

      Here’s that picture from it:

      The standing man in the photo is not there in the May ’45 NYT article! Does that mean this figure was added later — a forged photo?! Is there some other explanation? All of the other photos are complete. I’d like to know if this has been discussed before, although you said you just got it from the NYT.

      Thanks for any further discussion.

      Comment by Carolyn Yeager — December 15, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

      • I brought the article from the NYT’s online archive, $4.95.

        I was so pre-occupied at looking at the Weasel (who does look like him, in my opinion), that I’d not even noticed the naked guy was absent. Looking at the photo FG has in his original post. You can see his left arm doesn’t look natural against the wooden beam, and that shadow of his leg is all wrong.

        Well, I’m surprised no one has discovered this before.

        And Caroline, I’ve chosen to just ignore your pathetic insults once again.

        Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 12:39 am

        • Caroline, is there a large version of the photo at the Buchenwald museum? I recall seeing a photo of people stood in front of it? I know you’ve one of Wiesel stood in front of it, but you can’t see the standing guy in it.

          I found this photo, which I believe is from the Buchenwald museum, see how they cropped the photo. The crafty so-and-sos clearly also noticed the issue I mentioned above about his arm and the wooden beam/post above:
          http://tinyurl.com/bum6v4r

          Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 12:56 am

        • I had not noticed the shadow of the leg before. It does look like the naked man was added to the photo later. Back in 1945, it would have been difficult to add a photo to another photo to create a fake photo. Why would someone have gone to the trouble of adding the naked man? The only reason that I can think of is that this man is very skinny and the other men in the photo don’t look as if they are starving to death.

          Comment by furtherglory — December 16, 2012 @ 5:33 am

          • I’ve found some earlier appearances of the photo, six days before it was published in the NYT, and the standing guy is present.
            http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/another-famous-holocaust-photo-is-fraud.html

            If you look at the area above the guys lying on the 2nd from bottom bunk (i.e. the bottom of the 3rd bunk) in the NYT’s photo it has exactly the same consistency as the area where the standing man should be, black and grainy. Meaning that in the original photo that area was very dark—like the bottom of the 3rd bunk—as there’s was no one there.

            It’s his left arm that’s the real smoking gun though.

            Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 8:49 am

            • Thanks for mentioning me in your blog about this. You might try to remember to spell my name Carolyn instead of Caroline. It makes a difference, even tho I know the British generally think they’re the same.
              This is a monumental breakthrough, not just another forged photo. I’m quite excited about it. I had not visited furtherglory’s site for quite awhile; yesterday it just popped into my mind that I should take a look. What timing!

              Comment by Carolyn Yeager — December 16, 2012 @ 9:12 am

            • I followed the link and read your blog post. Good job! Now the only question is “Why was the naked man added to the photo?” Did you notice that Naked Guy has a very small waistline? I wonder if he was arrested under Paragraph 175 and sent to Buchenwald.

              Comment by furtherglory — December 16, 2012 @ 9:30 am

              • Maybe one of the Jonny-come-lately “American” Jews in PsyOps took a shine to him. Why is he naked anyway!

                I agree with what Carolyn said, that his stance suggests that he was actually leaning against the post. And for some reason they had to draw-in an arm in-front of the post.

                Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 10:11 am

                • “I agree with what Carolyn said, that his stance suggests that he was actually leaning against the post. And for some reason they had to draw-in an arm in-front of the post.”

                  Oh hells bells! Taking another look at this photo, notice that the flesh on his face, legs, and left hand are darker than his torso and arms. Could it be that he was clothed, and was leaning against the post?? They removed that part and replaced it with an unclothed torso? Rather than there being nobody there, that is. You said photo forgery was already being done in the 1860’s so anything is possible.

                  Or, they could have doctored a photo of this man (who was originally clothed) first, and then pasted him onto this barracks photo. Why would the photographer have included the empty area with the post in the picture — unless he already knew what was intended? All these questions will have to be answered in some form or manner. I hope Margaret Bourke-White is implicated in all this falsification.

                  One thing we know, these forgeries are never all that good, never perfect. Always detectible. Are they sloppy because they know we will not notice it until a long time into the future? Perhaps they thought by then (now, to us) it wouldn’t matter any more! Who thought then that the “holocaust” would have such a long life.

                  Comment by Carolyn Yeager — December 16, 2012 @ 5:05 pm

          • I concur. The photo just wasn’t horrifying enough, so they sellotaped in the naked guy.

            Did you know…. Dino Brugioni, the CIA employee who discovered the aerial photos of Birkenau in the 1970s, on which the “Zyklon B introduction chimneys” are clearly visible on the roofs of Leichenkellers 1 of Krema II & III, in 1999 published a book entitled: “Photo Fakery: The History and Techniques of Photographic Deception and Manipulation” !!!
            http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?p=54114#p54114

            “I found it so amazing that even back in the 1860’s, this kind of thing could be done.”
            – Ralph DeMattia (Amazon book review)

            Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 9:16 am

          • What does starving to death looks like in your world?

            Comment by Arnold — December 16, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

            • The Ukraine under the control of the Jew Lazar Kaganovich.

              Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 11:09 pm

            • “What does starving to death looks like in your world?”

              And what does people dying from typhus look in yours?

              Buchenwald camp was opened during 8 years and 58% of the deaths occured during the final months of WW2. It clearly disproves any alleged deliberate nazi starvation policy but proves most people who died there died because of the consequences of WW2 (unintentional starvation and epidemics at the very end of WW2, mainly due to the Allied intensive bombing policy paralyzing Germany).

              According to a U.S. Army report dated May 25, 1945, there was a total of 238,980 prisoners sent to Buchenwald during its 8-year history from July 1937 to April 11, 1945, and 34,375 of them died in the camp. This report was based on records confiscated from the camp by the US military, after the camp was liberated.

              A later U.S. Government report in June, 1945 put the total deaths at 33,462 with 20,000 of the deaths in the final months of the war.

              According to the information booklet of the Buchenwald Memorial Site:
              1937 – 48 deads
              1938 – 771
              1939 – 1235
              1940 – 1772
              1941 – 1522
              1942 – 2898
              1943 – 3516
              1944 – 8644
              January to March 1945 – 13,056
              March to April 11, 1945 – 913

              Total 34,375

              Comment by hermie — December 17, 2012 @ 5:32 am

        • “And Caroline, I’ve chosen to just ignore your pathetic insults once again.” … black rabbit

          What insults? I only speak the truth – that you refuse to ever refer to “Elie Wiesel Cons The World” where you will find so many questions regarding this man already answered. Did you check the links I provided? You don’t say you did. Well, I always look at all of yours and so I will graciously turn to the more important issues.

          You say that you were so pre-occupied with trying to believe that the totally UN-Wiesel-looking man in the barracks does look like Wiesel that you failed to notice the big black area where the standing man was supposed to be. Amazing!!! for such a sleuth as yourself. I really mean that, I am amazed because you are so good a finding stuff.

          Well, after seeing these NYT photos (thank you for that), I also noticed right away that the standing man looks like a cut-out. His left shoulder is not touching the post as one assumes it is. Yet his feet are in line with the post, so he would have to be leaning against it. He’s also too WHITE, too overexposed or there is too much light on him to fit into that dim barracks lighting. Needless to say, I never thought he looked like he belonged with those other men because what man would stand there naked like that, by choice??! But it tells us just how ready we are to ACCEPT what we’re shown and told. I have never seen this photo in any collection of forged photos of the “Holocaust.”

          What is really AMAZING is that this pictures appeared in the NYTimes in the 1945 article as it is … later the standing man was added, and no one noticed or said a word about it. I will be writing a blog about this at EWCTW and I will give you credit for making this NYT article available. An invaluable service!

          Comment by Carolyn Yeager — December 16, 2012 @ 8:56 am

          • You correctly pointed out that there is more light from the camera flash on the naked guy. The left side of the photo also has light from a flash gun, yet immediately behind the naked man, it is quite dark. What kind of flashgun could have produced this kind of lighting? None. The photo looks as if it has been lit by two different light sources. I had not really noticed this before. I don’t think that the photographer would have set up lights for the photo.

            Comment by furtherglory — December 16, 2012 @ 9:22 am

          • Thanks Caroline.

            Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 10:17 am

            • A pity you have to be rude in an underhand way. Her name is spelt “Carolyn” as she already pointed out TO YOU.

              Comment by ANTI-PC — December 20, 2012 @ 12:09 am

      • “http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/bfd1f074b7000331dec04c70a1d70656.jpg

        The standing man in the photo is not there in the May ’45 NYT article! Does that mean this figure was added later — a forged photo?! Is there some other explanation? All of the other photos are complete. I’d like to know if this has been discussed before, although you said you just got it from the NYT.”

        It was briefly discussed here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t932098/

        Comment by hermie — December 16, 2012 @ 6:52 am

        • That Stormfront guy C&Ps stuff from my blog almost daily, but usually he links to my blog, so he probably got it from here, as I uploaded them images on fotoflexer. I brought the article, anyone can:
          http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10B11F93D5A10728FDDAF0894DD405B8588F1D3

          I only got it to check out Weasel. I didn’t even notice the standing guy was absent. Caroline, after she finished having another pop at me, noticed that.

          Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 8:53 am

          • “That Stormfront guy C&Ps stuff from my blog almost daily, but usually he links to my blog, so he probably got it from here, as I uploaded them images on fotoflexer. I only got it to check out Weasel. I didn’t even notice the standing guy was absent. Caroline, after she finished having another pop at me, noticed that.”

            I am “That Stormfront guy”. As the Stormfront thread about this picture was created 2 days ago (December 14), I am, technically speaking, the one who first noticed the emaciated guy was missing. 😉

            Comment by hermie — December 16, 2012 @ 10:15 am

            • You get get the Spotter’s Badge then! Although you’re being deducted points for not notifying us about it.

              😉

              Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 16, 2012 @ 10:45 am

              • “You get get the Spotter’s Badge then! Although you’re being deducted points for not notifying us about it.”

                Great.

                I hadn’t notified you about it before Carolyn noticed it because I wanted other people’s opinion about this possible forgery before doing it.

                Comment by hermie — December 16, 2012 @ 11:15 am

                • Fair enough.

                  Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — December 17, 2012 @ 12:09 am

                • With regard to the standing man the head and body do not correspond. The head is of an adequately nourished man of about 25-35, the body is of someone malnourished or having disease eg TB. I suspect when the photo was taken and sent for evaluation at pychops the young man was wearing clothing and appeared to healthy and consequently the body was added on. The original photo will be somewhere and the original snap of the emaciated body as well.

                  Comment by Pete — December 17, 2012 @ 3:59 pm

  7. Has Tal Forkos said if her grandfather was communist? I remember I’ve read that the terror at Buchenwald camp was mainly caused by the communist prisoners.

    Comment by hermie — December 13, 2012 @ 5:47 pm

    • The blog of Tal Forkos is written in Hebrew. I have not translated all of it. She has a current photo of her grandfather on her blog, and he does have a remarkable resemblance to the 19-year-old man in the photo. I don’t know if she wrote that he was a Communist.

      Comment by furtherglory — December 14, 2012 @ 5:48 am

    • My grandfather wasn’t a communist
      He was brought to Buchenwald from Auschwitz only because he was a Jew
      The picture was taken a few days after release
      When the survivors had already eaten and were free to walk around the camp

      Comment by Tal Forkosh — December 17, 2012 @ 5:03 am

      • This is apparently a mixed group of prisoners: Jews and Resistance fighters. This photo was taken by Margaret Bourke-White who was criticized in her day for directing the people in her photos and passing them off as candid, un-posed photos. The Jews and the Resistance fighters did not mingle in the camp. This photo was posed by Bourke-White and it is disingenuous. The barbed wire fence in the photo might be the fence that separated the Jewish Small camp from the rest of the camp. She was trying to be politically correct and “inclusive” at a time when political correctness was unknown.

        Comment by furtherglory — December 17, 2012 @ 9:08 am

        • I’m sorry but you’re wrong
          I spoke with my grandfather about the photo and he explained to me that the photo is not staged
          Margaret Bourke-White caught them at random and asked them in English to pose
          my grandfather and I guess the other survivors , did not understand English

          Comment by Tal Forkosh — December 17, 2012 @ 10:04 am

  8. Any partisan under the rules of war could have been shot so it was rather humane to have sent them to a detention camp. Imprisoned there in Buchenwald was also Ernst Thälmann the German Communist leader who in 1944 was either shot on orders of Adolf Hitler himself ( according to Wikipedia no less ) or alternatively died in an allied air raid.

    Comment by Pete — December 13, 2012 @ 2:20 pm


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