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February 10, 2013

youngest survivor on Schindler’s List has died at the age of 83

Filed under: Holocaust, movies — Tags: , , , , , — furtherglory @ 1:38 pm

Leon Leyson, who was 13 years old, when his name was put on Schindler’s List, has died in Los Angeles, CA at the age of 83.  You can read the news of his death here.

This quote is from the news article about his death:

Because of Schindler’s interventions and after being ultimately placed on his list of workers which meant they were save from the death camps, Leon survived alongside his parents and an older brother and sister.

His other two brothers were killed.

“Five of us survived the war, this is the bottom line, out of everyone who was related to me in Poland. And we survived because we were on Schindler’s list,” Leon said during an interview in 2008 on NBC4.

On June 1, 2010, I blogged about Leon Leyson and Schindler’s List here.

I am re-posting part of my original blog post from 2010:

Scene from the movie Shindler's List

Scene from the movie Shindler’s List

Schindler did not personally make up the “List of Jews” for his factory, as it was portrayed in the movie. David Crowe wrote a book entitled Oskar Schindler, in which he revealed that the movie scene, shown in the photo above, is pure fiction.

According to Crowe, Oskar Schindler had no role in preparing the famous list, other than giving SS-Hauptscharführer Franz Josef Müller some general guidelines for the type of workers he wanted on the list.

Amon Göth, the Commandant of the Plaszow camp, who shot prisoners from his balacony in the movie, had been arrested by the SS on September 13, 1944 and was in prison in Breslau when the list was prepared, but this is not mentioned in the movie.  Göth just disappears in the movie and no one notices that he is gone.

David Crowe wrote that the person responsible for the preparation of Schindler’s List was Marcel Goldberg, a corrupt Jewish prisoner at the Plaszow camp, who was a member of the Ordnungdienst, the camp’s Jewish police force. Goldberg was the assistant of SS-Hauptscharführer Franz Josef Müller, the SS man responsible for the transport lists. Only about one third of the Jews on the list had previously worked in Schindler’s factory in Krakow.

The novel, Schindler’s Ark tells about how Goldberg accepted bribes from the prisoners who wanted to get on the list.

In his book Oskar Schindler, David Crowe wrote:

“… watch how Steven Spielberg traces the story of Marcel Goldberg, the real author of Schindler’s List, in his film. He begins in the early part of the film with Goldberg sitting near Leopold “Poldek” Page and other Jewish black marketeers in Krakow’s Marjacki Bazylika (church) as Oskar Schindler tries to interest them in doing business with a German. What follows throughout the rest of the film is the subtle tale of Goldberg’s gradual moral degeneration. Schindler, for example, gives Itzhak Stern first a lighter, then a cigarette case, and finally a watch to bribe Goldberg to send more Jews to his factory from Plaszow.”

Here is the true story of what actually happened:

After Germany conquered Poland in 1939,  Oskar Schindler purchased a factory in the city of Krakow, where he employed Jews from the Krakow ghetto.  When the Krakow ghetto was closed, all the Jews were sent to the nearby Plaszow labor camp which was just outside the city of Krakow.

Schindler got permission to turn his factory into a sub-camp of the Plaszow camp, so that he could continue to employ Jews, instead of Polish workers.

He built barracks at his factory for Jewish prisoners, who were then transferred from the Plaszow camp to his sub-camp. After the Plaszow labor camp became a concentration camp, Schindler’s  factory sub-camp was then put under the authority of the WVHA, the economic office of the Nazi concentration camp system.

Oskar Schindler was making a fortune during the occupation of Poland during World War II.  Schindler was hiring Jews in his factory and paying lower wages than what he would have had to pay Polish workers.

By 1944, the Nazis were only allowing munitions factories to become sub-camps in their concentration camp system. 

Schindler’s factory in Krakow had two parts; one part of his factory made enamel pots and pans for the German army, but he was also producing munitions for the German military.  The Nazis did not want to open a munitions factory that would be a sub-camp of Gross Rosen, so Schindler had to bribe them to allow him to open a munitions factory near his home town of Brünnlitz, in what is now the Czech Republic.

When the Plaszow camp was closed in 1944, all the men in the camp were sent to the Gross Rosen concentration camp, including the Jews on Schindler’s List.

All the women in the Plaszow camp had to go to Auschwitz temporarily until barracks could be built for them at Gross Rosen, which was a men’s camp.

After barracks, for both men and women, were built at Schindler’s new sub-camp, the Jews on his List were sent there, including his female workers, who were temporarily staying at Auschwitz.

In real life, Schindler sent his secretary to Auschwitz to make sure that his Jewish workers got on the right train, but he didn’t go himself.

What if Schindler had just closed his munitions factory in Krakow and not bribed the Nazis to allow him to move it to Brunnlitz?  What would have happened to the prisoners on his famous list?  Would they have been sent immediately to the gas chambers?  No.  The men would have been sent to the Gross Rosen concentration camp which did not have gas chambers.  The women and children would have been sent, temporarily, to Auschwitz which was only 37 miles from Krakow, but they would not necessarily have been gassed.  There were numerous survivors of Auschwitz, including old women and little children.

The food for the prisoners in Oskar Schindler’s sub-camp was provided by the Nazis, but Schindler spent his own money to buy extra food and medicine for them.  His workers had a better chance of survival than they would have had in any other camp, but even then, some of his workers died of disease.  The Plaszow prisoners, who did not get on Schindler’s List, were not condemned to “certain death.” 

This quote is from the news article about Leyson’s death:

When the Nazis ordered the remaining Jews of Krakow to be sent to Auschwitz., Schindler acted again paying huge bribes and using all of his influence to ensure as many as possible were relocated to outside [his] home town and thus away from the Final Solution.

Schindler also dramatically intervened when Leyson’s mother and sister were among 300 Schindler women accidentally re-routed to Auschwitz when they were meant to be led to safety.

They knew the gas chambers awaited them until they heard Schindler’s voice.

The information in the above quote is based on the story that is told in the movie Schindler’s List.  It is true that Schindler had to bribe the Nazis to allow him to set up a factory outside his home town in what is now the Czech Republic, but the reason that Schindler had to bribe the Nazis was not because the workers in his factory had been ordered to be sent to Auschwitz to be killed.  No, the prisoners in Schindler’s factory in Krakow had been scheduled to go to Gross Rosen, a concentration camp which did not have a gas chamber.  Schindler’s Jews had not been scheduled to be killed.

The female prisoners on Schindler’s List had to go to Auschwitz-Birkenau to wait until barracks at Schindler’s new factory could be built for them.  In the movie Schindler’s list, the women are shown in the shower room at Auschwitz and they are over-joyed to see water come out of the faucets, not gas.

46 Comments

  1. Futureglory doesnt deny the Holocaust, he/she full well knows it happened, he/she’s just pointing out details that get ignored by others who want to present a false, cartoonish view of history.

    Comment by Corey — June 12, 2013 @ 5:10 pm

  2. Loans do not exist you muppet. How much moon juice have you imbibed?.

    Comment by thestoker — February 13, 2013 @ 9:20 am

    • Okay, no more loans then. B-) You’re funny.

      Comment by Hans-Solo — February 13, 2013 @ 10:09 am

  3. Dear blogger,
    I like how you want to both make it legal to pretend the holocaust never happened and quote books that are written about the holocaust as credible sources.
    P.s. you may want to get checked out for split personality disorder, and OCD.
    P.s.s. you have no credibility stop wasting your time.

    Comment by Mr. Hynee Kraut — February 12, 2013 @ 3:37 am

    • Is ELIE WIESEL a credible source in Your mind?

      “holocaust never happened” Of course the holocaust happened, it is called WW2.

      Did HOLODOMOR or AGHET or NAKBA happen, isTibet and Europe getting ethno-culturally destroyed through immigration as we speak? Of course.

      Do the MILLIONS of victims of wars and genocides have Holocaust™-Museums and Holocaust™-Memorials all across the United States of America? Do the native American Indian Tribes that got INDEED annihilated have a Holocaust™-Museum on Washington Hill? WHY NOT?!?

      Comment by Hans-Solo — February 12, 2013 @ 7:22 am

    • I realize that my method of telling both sides of controversial issues is hard for the present generation to understand. In today’s world, only one side of every political issue is told by the mainstream media. In seventeen countries, only one side of World War II history is allowed to be told.

      I don’t have a split personality, nor OCD nor any other medical condition. I’m old-school; I write the way journalists used to write, telling both sides of the story.

      I realize that I “have no credibility” but I am not wasting my time: I have nothing better to do.

      P.S. I have added your name to the list of people whose comments will be held for moderation. If your future comments have anything of interest to add to the discussions here, they will be allowed. Otherwise, they will be moved to the trash pile.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 12, 2013 @ 8:12 am

      • Have a look how REAL Holocaust™-Denial is chic and widespread in 2013, look at the best rated comments, Mr. Hymie Kraut, they CELEBRATE the Massmurder of innocent women and children being BURNING ALIVE (see Wiesel) at Dresden:

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276944/I-destroyed-Dresden-Bomber-Harris-unrepentant-German-city-raids-30-years-end-World-War-Two.html#axzz2KhZdMOCG

        Comment by Hans-Solo — February 12, 2013 @ 8:39 am

        • Thanks for the link. I’ve never been to Dresden. The bombing of Dresden was a terrible crime, and I can’t bear to think about it. I don’t like the fact that there are modern buildings that have replaced some of the buildings that were destroyed.

          This quote is from this website: http://www.laopus.com/2012/06/picket-guide-to-dresdens-musical-legacy.html

          Begin Quote:
          Vying today for attention with baroque buildings are modern architectural developments in outlying districts, including Daniel Libeskind’s Museum of Military History project that reimagines the Neustadt district’s former military barracks, a sobering reflection on the destructive ends of war. Opened in 2011, it is both Germany’s largest museum and the official one of the German Armed Forces.
          End Quote

          You can see a picture of the Liebeskind building on the website cited above.

          I previously blogged about a Liebeskind building that was scheduled to be built in Sacramento, but was never built, Thank God. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/daniel-libeskind-building-at-601-capitol-mall-in-sacramento-ca-when-you-get-there-its-not-there/

          Comment by furtherglory — February 12, 2013 @ 9:48 am

          • Dresden is wonderful, I wouldn’t have rebuilt the FRAUENKIRCHE, but it’s a beauty nevertheless, the Semper-Oper, Zwinger and many other fine baroque-buildings survived Bomber-Harris, but that’s just buildings…..the region around Dresden is even more beautiful, called the “SAXON SWISS” – Elbsandsteingebirge – it’s like the north american Death-valley in beautiful – green and alive B-)

            Daniel Liebeskind – what a jerk! – his TWIN-TOWERS-Replacement-plan was ugly as shit, and his Holocasut™-Museum in Berlin is a MAHNMAL of how loose, lost and absurd our cultural relativist post-post-modern times have become.

            My NS-traumatized Dad once went real angry at his own mum (Refugees from EAST-PRUSSIA) when she spoke of “ENTARTETE KUNST” (nazi-term with bad connotation) refering to Paintings made by Orang-Utans exhibited in a Museum – but she was right!

            Thanks for the links, and especially for Your fairness and honor in defying DOUBLE STANDARD, You know, that’s what real Patriots are made of.

            Comment by Hans-Solo — February 12, 2013 @ 10:59 am

            • I visited the Holocaust Museum in Berlin and wrote about it on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Berlin2002/JewishMuseum/JewishMuseum01.html

              When I was there, tourists had to be searched at the door, and all backpacks and purses had to be surrendered. It’s a good thing that they have this policy because this building is sure to make some people very angry.

              Comment by furtherglory — February 13, 2013 @ 10:30 am

              • “It is true that innovation and change are difficult for people to accept, but pain is also difficult to accept. Boredom and bad taste are difficult to accept. Pain, boredom and bad taste are the things I feel when I look at Mr Libeskind’s designs.” – “GottfriedLeibnitz” from Your blog B-)

                Last time I went to Berlin in late 2011, I went down the Oranienburger to the Alexanderplatz – the world is assembled there, tourists, You hear more spanish, arab, russian and english than german – interesting, vibrant, colorful, though artificial and unreal, great for a visit, dystopia for a home. The famous Oranienburger Synagogue is allocated there, massively protected and fenced off by martially armed security, on a table at the entrance-metal-detectors-lock there is a plaque telling the synagogues’ fate on the Kristallnacht where “Lieutenant Otto Bellgardt, the police officer of the local police precinct on duty that night, arrived on the scene in the early morning of 10 November and ordered the Nazi mob to disperse. He said the building was a protected historical landmark and drew his pistol, declaring that he would uphold the law requiring its protection.”

                Otto Bellgardt hasn’t even a Wiki-entry, I guess he must have been a Man of Honor though.

                You know what’s absolutely grotesk in that respect? Berlins Firebrigades have come under attack several times in recent years when trying to do their job by muslim mobs…

                Looking forward for Your next entries on Your blog!! Thanks again, and many greetings from Hannover, Germany.

                Comment by Hans-Solo — February 13, 2013 @ 12:41 pm

    • troll off somewhere else Hynee.

      Comment by Pete — February 12, 2013 @ 9:45 am

  4. Has anyone actually stuck their beak into Gross Rosen? Rather than wade without aim in the muddy depths of Hitler and the haoxicaust?

    Comment by thestoker — February 11, 2013 @ 8:04 am

    • “the muddy depths” or better bloody mess of WW2-complexity and understanding it in all it’s facets and implications – if I remember correctly the Nazis had apr. 120 Camps/+Subcamps, shifting their prisoners back and forth where (‘slave’-)workforce was needed/ and exchanges/transits should occur/ and what front-realities, logistics and epidemics et al demanded.

      Never heard of Gross Rosen before to be honest, though that’s why I DO know that there never was no homicidal gas chambers, otherwise the Spielbergs would have already told me so many times.

      Comment by Hans-Solo — February 11, 2013 @ 8:29 am

      • Indeedee, they stay away from the Kapos. Anyone actually checked the output of IG’s Bhuna plant? There is a squirrely charachter over at JF’s place by the anonynome of Joe who doesn’t get it and yet cannot get off IG..

        Comment by thestoker — February 11, 2013 @ 8:50 am

        • Where’s JF’s place..?

          Arthur Butz elaborated on Buna quite a extensively in his famous book, as the Americans were desperately interested in understanding how to produce synthetic rubber in 1942 (Standard Oil/ Baruch and co) Butz correctly assumed (Ithink) that the OSS/intelligence-services would have inspected A™-Buna intensely, arguing that airial-photographs would probably been taken also – his book was published in 1976, the CIA came up in 1979 with A™-Photos of 1944 only, right…?

          Comment by Hans-Solo — February 11, 2013 @ 10:32 am

          • JF=John Friend.

            Got the Stan Oil drift but still do not trust the legend. IG and assorted Western corporates (USofA corp) cross licensed everything before the shooting match started. Do you see a connection between swimming pools, football fields, orchestras, hookers and Dimona? Do you see the link that must never be spoken between Auschwitz, Phukked’witz and a stinking hole in the desert?

            Comment by thestoker — February 11, 2013 @ 2:18 pm

            • You heard about IBM and Edwin Black? http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

              What “SWIMMING POOL” – You mean the “Nazi-Waterboarding-torture-bassin”? “Expert Specialists” van Pelt, Franciscek Piper and Deborah “Bitch of Buchenwald” Lipstadt already debunked that Myth: it was just a “Fire brigade reservoir built in the form of a swimming pool” – http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/AuschwitzPool.html.

              Have You seen VINCENT REYNOUARD’s study of Auschwitz inmates’ André Rogerie’s testimony yet? If You thought that Mengele was a bad doctor, You should learn how evil the whole Auschwitz medical system was!

              YT: “Auschwitz Testimony from André Rogerie the ONE that got away” or http://www.phdnm.org/videacuteos.html (english versions at bottom of page)

              Comment by Hans-Solo — February 12, 2013 @ 7:05 am

              • Still not getting through am I? Auschwitz/Dimona. BTW if you knew anything about strategic decision making within the 3rd Reich the camions of wansee would be clearly a non sequitur.

                However let us ignore reality and spend all day staring at the fabrications, Hitler, final solution and non dead persons.

                Let us ignore the SS and Dimona.

                Have you ever shut your eyes and started to think?

                Comment by thestoker — February 13, 2013 @ 12:59 am

                • Go on; show me the dead untouched.

                  Comment by thestoker — February 13, 2013 @ 3:25 am

                • No, You’re still not getting through. Tell me about the way from Auschwitz to Dimona, the “camions of Wannsee”, and the “output of IG’s Buna plant”, please lecture me.

                  “non existent loans”? – That France granted Czarist Russia huge loans prior to WW1 and as in WW2 with Poland it had a strong strategic Alliance with Russia against Germany is just true.

                  Comment by Hans-Solo — February 13, 2013 @ 5:41 am

  5. “Schindler also dramatically intervened when Leyson’s mother and sister were among 300 Schindler women accidentally re-routed to Auschwitz when they were meant to be led to safety. They knew the gas chambers awaited them until they heard Schindler’s voice.”

    I prefer the movie for that part. They knew the gas chambers awaited them…until they discovered they were only given a shower. 😉

    Comment by hermie — February 10, 2013 @ 5:22 pm

    • Schindler did not go to Auschwitz to save the women who had “accidentally” been sent to a death camp. His secretary came forward after the war and revealed that she had gone to Auschwitz to make sure that “Schindler’s Jews” got on the right train when they left Auschwitz to go to Schindler’s new camp. Schindler was an alcoholic, who was lying somewhere in a drunken stupor. His wife took care of the prisoners at his new camp. By that time, Schindler was not capable of doing anything. The Jews that he had saved took care of Schindler for the rest of his life.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 11, 2013 @ 10:44 am

  6. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/nov/25/germany.film

    Crowe is a historian, but he has a purpose in his biography of Schindler – that is to sell books!

    Many survivors of the list have discussed their views on Schindler and their survival because of him. Many have argued that some people actually say he was an opportunist, Spielberg’s film actually depicts him as an opportunist and failed industrialist in the early part of the film. Many survivors on Schindler’s List have also said that regardless of what people think about him or say about him there is one thing that they do know – he was instrumental in saving 1200 lives by bribery and giving every cent he made back (in bribes) to feed and save those people that have survived to create a new generation of people.

    Crowe may well be a historian, but let’s not forget that historians focus on a point of objectivity (their own argument) and will provide evidence for that argument, including ignoring evidence that supports an argument opposite to their own. Crowe has done this in his biography of Schindler.

    I’d agree with the Gardian’s take on Schindler, including that of Michael Berenbaum, a former president of the Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation, who argues that “The result only sharpens our appreciation for Schindler’s works and deepens the mystery as to why he did what he did.”

    Comment by mogseyward — February 10, 2013 @ 4:08 pm

    • “… let’s not forget that historians focus on a point of objectivity (their own argument) and will provide evidence for that argument, including ignoring evidence that supports an argument opposite to their own.”

      You describe ho£ocaust historians perfectly there mogseyward.

      Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — February 10, 2013 @ 4:54 pm

    • Dear mogseyward, if Spielberg was a man with a heart and truely felt a need to do people justice, he would have made a WW2-movie called “Ilse’s Lampshades”, showing to the world how WITCHHUNTS of the worst atrocious kind are still possible even in “our” times.

      Instead, Spielberg in SL conceals the fact that the NAZIS punished Goeth, the Schindler-Jews were about to be send to Gross Rosen and not to any “Extermination-Gaschamber” anyway – Schindler or not – and even manages to lie/omit/conceal that the women were only about to stay at Auschwitz™ before the womens-barracks at Rosen would have been finished to which they then would have been transferred – with or without OSKAR’s *merits*.

      Have You read and understood the article..???

      Please, let me sum it up for You: STEVEN SPIELBERG is just like the many 1000 ELIE WIESELS a LIAR, DISTORTIONER, FABRICATOR and just part of the Holocau$t™-Industry.

      Schindler is just a red hering to exaggerate the “exceptionalism” of jewish suffering in WW2 and portray Germans as “evil” one more time, he did this in all his movies where Germans ever show up, from the Indiana-Series to the pathetic Private Ryan, You will find only nasty, treacherous and evil Germans or a crook and Holocaust™ Mascot like that Schindler – I assume little Steven is just not bright enough to see how much he himself is a Propaganda-victim.

      Comment by Hans-Solo — February 11, 2013 @ 7:53 am

    • Schindler was the “Commandant” of a sub-camp of the Plaszow concentration camp. He anticipated that, after the war, the Commandants of all the camps would be prosecuted as “war criminals.” That is exactly what happened. You can read about the trial of Martin Gottfried Weiss, the Commandant of Dachau, at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MartinGottfriedWeiss.html

      I wrote, on my website, about how the “war crimes” trials were planned before the end of the war, and even before the “war crimes” had taken place. You can read about this at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/Introduction.html

      Schindler saved 1,100 Jews so that they would help him escape justice. His plan worked, even though 2/3 of the Jews that he saved had never worked in his factory.

      Comment by furtherglory — February 11, 2013 @ 10:10 am

      • Furtherglory, I lurked around here and over at scrapbookpages quite some time….You’re doing a very good, pretty objective/ neutral sort of presenting the facets and “evidence” on WW2….I appreciate Your work, thanks!

        May I ask if You would position You rather further to FRITJOF MEYER or ARNO MAYER than ZUENDEL, BUTZ or FAURISSON in Your estimate about what happened concerning ENDLOESUNG in WW2? I’m just curious…

        Comment by Hans-Solo — February 11, 2013 @ 10:48 am

        • I agree with Zuendel, Butz and Faurisson although I would not put myself in their category as historians. When I read the book by Arthur Butz years ago, I couldn’t believe what he wrote. Then I went to see the former camps and saw for myself what had happened. I believe that Faurisson made a few mistakes, for example when he said that The Dairy of Anne Frank was written by her father.

          Comment by furtherglory — February 11, 2013 @ 11:29 am

        • I have to admit that I have never read anything by Arno Mayer. I looked him up on Wikipedia and found this:
          Begin Quote:
          He feels that the aristocracy in all of the European countries held far too much power, and it was their efforts to keep power that led to World War I, the rise of fascism, World War II, and the Holocaust.[1]
          End Quote

          I don’t agree with that theory. I think that the cause of World War I was that Germany had become a united country for the first time in 1871. This caused other European countries to become alarmed because Germany was now doing everything that other countries did. That is, Germany started getting colonies, building ships, getting involved in the Middle East, etc. etc. etc. The British and the French and the Russians didn’t want Germany to compete with them. They wanted to make Germany into a country with no power again.

          Mayer is correct that World War I and World War II were all one war. It was the Thirty Years War all over again. The purpose of both wars was to reduce the power of Germany. That was finally accomplished with World War II and the Holocaustian religion which now prevails. The German people are powerless now.

          Comment by furtherglory — February 11, 2013 @ 11:52 am

          • Yup. Though “powerless”….I guess if You consider economic and demographic data things will become indeed even more dire for USA, GB and France before Germany gets it – future doesn’t look that bright for most western countries, Europe…

            But looking back considering what happened under NS-ideology especially the End-period and immediate afteryears, I guess I was asking You about Your perspective because Your scrapbookpages have a tendency to rather using ortohodox terms and narrative of events happen…guess You’re doing that for an unbiased open approach for all that are used to the orthodox story.

            FRITJOF MEYER (SPIEGEL, leftist) did a pretty meticulous job on trying to establish possible numbers of victims calculating under orthodox approach strictly considering as many as known varibles of timeline/capacities/installations/known orders etc – they grilled him, his essay is very interesting and his reply to that Franciscek Piper is very revealing too.

            You could read his piece(s) in english on Irvings site if You’re interested, or maybe just overflow it, MEYER would take a confirmative conclusion on the Endloesung, but reduced the victims in A™ down to about 350.000 victims possibly being gassed, all in Bunker I, II, and NO GASSINGS in Krema I – V – that was of course ENOUGH for Germany’s Holy-Folly-Cowards to ban him and his publisher Suessmuth into the Desert – lol – Nothing heard from him since, he repented.

            http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Osteuropa/Meyer_replies_engl.html

            http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz//Osteuropa/index.html

            Comment by Hans-Solo — February 11, 2013 @ 1:46 pm

          • Yes, Butz’ work was an eye-opener, but especially Paul Rassinier’s (read the german coll. “Was ist Wahrheit?”, mostly containing the english version “Odysseus” I suppose) and Robert Faurisson’s works I must say I mostly cherished – especially the fact that here come the French for reclaiming Germany’s honor produced a particular gratitude and thought of Irony in me… B-)

            Here is a must read if You thought ELIE WIESEL was a crackpot, because he isn’t he is a ueber-nutjob-crackpot!!! Read it all, You will laugh You A™ off!!! http://pauleisen.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/read-it-and-resist-by-dan-mcgowan.html (Elie comes in a lil’ further down, great anglo-saxon humor from Dan McGowan, though it’s all tue, Elie said it..)

            Comment by Hans-Solo — February 11, 2013 @ 1:58 pm

          • “I think that the cause of World War I was that Germany had become a united country for the first time in 1871. This caused other European countries to become alarmed because Germany was now doing everything that other countries did. That is, Germany started getting colonies, building ships, getting involved in the Middle East, etc. etc. etc. The British and the French and the Russians didn’t want Germany to compete with them. They wanted to make Germany into a country with no power again.”

            That’s a part of the truth (“Should Germany merchandise again in the next 50 years we have led this war (WW1) in vain.” – Winston Churchill in Times (1919)). But you mustn’t forget WW1 was mainly a continuation of “the Balkan wars”. There was a Serbian-Russian plot to destroy the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Serbian and Russian Pan-Slavists laid a trap on Austria and they finally got the war they wanted. On that matter you should read at least one of Henri (or Henry) Pozzi’s books. Naturally, as always, the Pan-Slavists movments were infiltrated and financed by Zionists. The Zionists wanted a world war (the Balkanic powder keg was perfect to light the fuse) to destroy the Ottoman Empire and seize Palestine. In the end of the 19th century and the very beginning of the 20th century Theodor Herzl tried to buy Palestine but the Ottoman Sultan always refused Herzl’s offers. In 1902 Herzl realized he could never buy Palestine and needed to dismantle the Ottoman Empire to seize Palestine. In 1903 Max Nordau, the co-founder of the World Zionist Organization with Herzl, ‘announced’ at a Zionist Congress in Basle there would be a “world war” and “a free jewish Palestine” would be created “with the help of the British” at the end of this war. Reminds you nothing?

            Comment by hermie — February 12, 2013 @ 4:14 pm

            • “There was a Serbian-Russian plot to destroy the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Serbian and Russian Pan-Slavists laid a trap on Austria and they finally got the war they wanted.”

              But please don’t miss that indeed Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany and his cousin, Czar NIKOLAUS II of Russia could have had limited it all to a war confined to the Balkans only before WW1 came about. If I got it correct, then FRANCE gave Czarist Russia a huge loan back then, it’s undoubtful, that in those times BRITISH and FRENCH Imperialism plaid a major role in what was about to come, irrespective of Jewish-Zionist influence.

              Nikolaus II and his beautiful daughters were murdered on command of a Bolshevist Jew named Yakov Yurovsky afterwards….though also true is that the german KAISERREICH bolstered the Lenin-Movement with lots of Reichsmarks back then in order to obliviate the eastern front in WW1, so Germany itself helped the Bolshevist Revolution….

              History isn’t Black and White, Politics isn’t, Men aren’t. Things are complicated…mostly all is just “part of the Truth”, hermie.

              I guess if Herzl knew what Weizmann made of his dream, he’d have cried his eyes and bodyfluids all out yet and already converted to anything but judaism a long time ago….Herzl was a good man, I think…

              Comment by Hans-Solo — February 12, 2013 @ 6:22 pm

              • How disarming of you to dredge the archives and bring up non existent loans. You smell like the FAAN. A database query gone loco. Go on then dredge this up. Varian c 0BC and New York/San Francisco c 1863AD, Got the imperium vibe yet?

                Comment by thestoker — February 13, 2013 @ 1:27 am

                • Wake up and stop kinderfiddling with your database, BBCstylee.

                  Comment by thestoker — February 13, 2013 @ 3:00 am

              • “But please don’t miss that indeed Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany and his cousin, Czar NIKOLAUS II of Russia could have had limited it all to a war confined to the Balkans only before WW1 came about.”

                Being cousins never prevented kings and emperors from starting wars on their neighbours in order to increase their own power and enlarge their kingdoms and empires. Nearly all kings and emperors are related but wars happened anyway.

                “the german KAISERREICH bolstered the Lenin-Movement with lots of Reichsmarks back then in order to obliviate the eastern front in WW1, so Germany itself helped the Bolshevist Revolution….”

                If your enemy was about to collapse because of a revolution wouldn’t you push for this revolution too? It is very normal and logical. And this strategy worked perfectly well: Russia stopped fighting Germany and Germany was defeated only because the Zionists made the USA enter in WW1 in exchange of Palestine.

                The war could have been limited to the Balkans but the Russian and Serbian Pan-Slavists didn’t want to. The Russian Pan-Slavists wanted to make the Balkans part of their sphere of influence. Baron Nicholas Genrikhovich Hartwig was the Russian ambassador to Serbia. He was an ardent Pan-Slavist. He was very influent in Serbia and was even called “the real sovereign of Serbia” and “the viceroy”. Hartwig indiscreetly remarked to the Romanian minister, Filaliti, on November 12, 1912: “Russia counts on making Serbia, enlarged by the Balkan provinces of Austria-Hungary, the vanguard of Pan-Slavism.” But Baron Hartwig was not only a Pan-Slavist. He was also a Zionist who had even met Herzl in the 1900’s. When he met Herzl, Hartwig was already well acquainted with the subject of Zionism and told Herzl “his cause found favor with his Ministry”.

                “guess if Herzl knew what Weizmann made of his dream, he’d have cried his eyes and bodyfluids all out yet and already converted to anything but judaism a long time ago….”

                Don’t share your opinion. I think Herzl would have kissed Weizmann’s feet after the birth of Israël. Herzl was not an angel. He had even planned to use the antisemites in order to force the European jews to leave Europe for Palestine. Herzl was everything but a friend of judaism and diaspora jews.

                Herzl’s diaries:

                “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”

                “It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited antisemites as liquidators of [jewish] property. The antisemites will become our most dependable friends, the antisemitic countries our allies.”

                Comment by hermie — February 13, 2013 @ 8:37 am

                • Thanks for lecturing me, Hermie!

                  “Germany was defeated only because the Zionists made the USA enter in WW1 in exchange of Palestine.” 100% correct, “Balfour-Declaration”, Weizmann even boasted about it before the British in WW2: “We did it once, we can do it again.” [bring in the USA]

                  I concur with Your elaborations, in respect to Russia and Serbia, the Balkan-Wars prior to WW1 are much too often neglected in the mainstream narrative about how and why the following tragedy of Europe evolved.

                  And I have to admit that I didn’t study Herzl enough to make such an obvious false claim, Your rebuttal on that is absolutely convincing.

                  Comment by Hans-Solo — February 13, 2013 @ 10:05 am

            • Thanks for the history lesson. I agree with everything you wrote, especially about the Ottoman Empire and Palestine and the Zionists. Could you give us the details about how the new country of Germany was getting involved with the Ottoman Empire?

              Comment by furtherglory — February 13, 2013 @ 10:23 am

              • The alliance between the ottoman empire and the central powers greatly reduced the influence of the British in the middle east and threatened British domination of the Iranian oil fields. In particular the Baghdad railway greatly strengthened the German economic interest in the middle east and made redundant the British controlled Suez canal.
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Railway

                Comment by Pete — February 13, 2013 @ 3:31 pm

              • “Could you give us the details about how the new country of Germany was getting involved with the Ottoman Empire?”

                Contacts began in the end of the 19th century. After the German unification in 1871 the Ottoman Sultan Abdülhamid viewed the new German Empire as a possible friend of the Ottoman Empire. Kaiser Wilhelm II was twice hosted by Abdülhamid in Istanbul; first on 21 October 1889, and nine years later, on 5 October 1898. During one of Wilhelm’s visits Herzl even asked the Kaiser to pressure the Sultan for the creation of a jewish Palestine. Wilhelm accepted but didn’t insist when Abdulhamid refused because he didn’t want to harm the new fragile Ottoman-German relationships. After defeat in the Russo-Turkish War (1877-1878), Sultan Abdulhamid, asked for German aid in reorganizing the Ottoman Army, so that they would be able to resist the advance of the Russian Empire. German officers (like Baron von der Goltz and von Ditfurth) were employed to oversee the reorganization of the Ottoman army and German government officials were brought in to reorganize the Ottoman government’s finances. But Germany’s friendship was naturally not disinterested, and had to be fostered with railway and loan concessions. In 1899 a significant German desire, the construction of a Berlin-Baghdad railway, was granted. In 1913, the Ottomans asked the Germans to assist in the development of a new military force, the Germans sent officer Liman von Sanders in reply. The Ottoman Empire also attempted to form an alliance with Britain. But Britain however ignored three Ottoman proposals for alliance in 1908, 1911, and 1913.

                The Baghdad Railway would strengthen the Ottoman Empire’s link with industrialised Europe, while also giving Germany easier access to its African colonies and to trade markets in India. It was built from 1903 to 1940 to connect Berlin with the Ottoman Empire city of Baghdad, where the Germans wanted to establish a port in the Persian Gulf. Funding and engineering was mainly provided by German Empire banks and companies, which in the 1890s had built the Anatolian Railway (Anatolische Eisenbahn) connecting Constantinople, Ankara and Konya. The Ottoman Empire wished to maintain its control of Arabia and to expand its influence across the Red Sea into the nominally Ottoman (until 1914) Khedivate of Egypt, which had been under British military control since the Urabi Revolt in 1882. The Germans gained access to and ownership of oil fields in Iraq, and with a line to the port of Basra would have gained better access to the eastern parts of the German colonial empire, by avoiding the Suez Canal. The railway became a source of international disputes during the years immediately preceding World War I.

                On the eve of the First World War, the Ottoman Empire was in ruinous shape. As a result of subsequent wars fought in this period, territories were lost, the economy was in shambles and people were demoralized and tired. Since staying neutral and focusing on recovery did not appear to be possible, the Empire had to ally with one or the other camp. Only Russia seemed to have an interest – however, under conditions that would have amounted a Russian protectorate on the Ottoman lands. It was impossible to reconcile an alliance with the French: as France’s main ally was Russia, the long-time enemy of the Ottoman Empire since the Wars of 1828. Great Britain declined an Ottoman request. Whilst Great Britain was unenthusiastic about aligning with the Ottoman Empire Germany was enthusiastic. Germany needed the Ottoman Empire on its side. An alliance with the Ottoman Empire during WW1 offered two strategic advantages to Germany. An Ottoman army could provide the Germans with additional troops for overseas deployment and the Ottoman Empire’s territory would allow the German army access to land routes into Africa and Central Asia. Eventually, the Ottoman Empire began to view the Germans as the safest choice for an alliance, Germany did not hold a major position in Asia Minor, and it lacked a large Muslim colony that might clash with the interests of the empire. On July 22, 1914, the Ottoman Empire presented an offer of allegiance to the Germans. The Germans accepted the offer on August 2, 1914. At this point the Ottoman Empire did not enter into WW1. On October 29, 1914, the Ottoman Navy attacked Russian sea ports in the Black Sea. On November 2, 1914, the Russians declared war on the Ottoman Empire in retaliation and the British followed suit three days later.

                Comment by hermie — February 14, 2013 @ 7:00 am

                • Thank you very much for all this information. You wrote: “The Baghdad Railway would strengthen the Ottoman Empire’s link with industrialised Europe, while also giving Germany easier access to its African colonies and to trade markets in India.”

                  I think that it was the Railway that was the straw that broke the campel’s back, and caused the other countries to start World War I against Germany.

                  Comment by furtherglory — February 14, 2013 @ 7:09 am

                • “I think that it was the Railway that was the straw that broke the campel’s back, and caused the other countries to start World War I against Germany.”

                  Maybe. Some historians share your view, others don’t. My opinion is the Zionists used others’ interests (Colonial Powers, Balkanic people, Pan-Slavists, Russians, etc.) in order to start the war they needed so much to seize Palestine. During the 6th Zionist Conference, in 1903, the powerful Zionist leader Max Nordau said: “Let me tell you the following words as if I were showing you the rungs of a ladder leading upward and upward: Herzl, the Zionist Congress, the English Uganda proposition, THE FUTURE WORLD WAR, the peace conference – where WITH THE HELP OF ENGLAND a FREE AND JEWISH PALESTINE WILL BE CREATED.” During the 1911 Zionist Congress he also said: “”How dare the smooth talkers, the clever official blabbers, open their mouths and boast of progress. … Here they hold jubilant peace conferences in which they talk against war. … But the same righteous Governments, who are so nobly, industriously active to establish the eternal peace, are preparing, by their own confession, COMPLETE ANNIHILATION for SIX MILLION people, and there is nobody, except the doomed themselves, to raise his voice in protest although this is a worse crime than any war …”

                  So as early as in 1911 the co-founder of the World Zionist Organization had ‘announced’ the First World War and the alleged Holocaust of 6 million Jews. Some people may see this Zionist leader as a great psychic foreseeing future events with accuracy. But I don’t. In my opinion the powerful Zionists made WW1 and WW2 happen and they tried to sell their “six million dead or dying jews” hoax to the world (they already tried to sell it during WW1 and even before but it hadn’t worked as well as expected – see “The first Holocaust” by Don Heddesheimer)…

                  http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t941885/

                  Comment by hermie — February 14, 2013 @ 9:03 am


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