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March 24, 2013

Mietek Grocher, the man who walked backwards out of a gas chamber and survived

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 1:34 pm

Mietek Grocher has an entry in Wikipedia, which you can read in full here.  This quote is from Wikipedia:

Mietek Grocher is a Polish Jewish author and speaker who survived The Holocaust. Grocher recounts the events in his 1996 book Jag överlevde (English translation: I survived).

Grocher was born in 1926 in Warsaw, Poland and lived with his family in the Warsaw Ghetto. As a teenager during World War II, Grocher survived the gas chamber and nine concentration camps including Buchenwald and Majdanek. He was the only member of his family to survive. […] He also survived the Majdanek gas chambers. He realized he was actually in a gas chamber and began walking backwards. The guard guarding the gas chambers was in a conversation with another guard so Grocher escaped and found his father.

When I visited the Majdanek death camp in 1998, the Majdanek Memorial Site was telling visitors that there were 5 gas chambers at Majdanek, including 4 that were in Building 41 near the entrance into the camp.  Now the number of gas chambers at Majdanek has been reduced to only 2, which are both in Building 41.

Building #41 is on the right. Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

Building #41 is on the right. Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

Could it be that Mietek Grocher walked backwards out of one of the gas chambers that is no longer claimed to have been a gas chamber?  The photo above shows Building #41 which was claimed to have four gas chambers in 1998, but that has changed now, so that there were only 2 gas chambers in Building #41.  Note the buildings in the background.  The Majdanek gas chambers were very near a major road; the Majdanek Memorial Site is now within the city limits of Lublin, Poland.

You can read a newspaper article about Mietek Grocher here.  This quote is from the article:

Mietek Grocher managed to escape from a gas chamber in Maidanek in 1943, when he was sixteen years old.

Wait a minute!  He was sent to the gas chamber at the age of 16?  Was he small for his age, and the Nazis didn’t know that he was over the age of 15?  Only Jews under the age of 15 or over the age of 35 were gassed.  What about his parents?  Were they under the age of 35 and exempt from the gas chamber?  The quote from the article continues:

– When I was in there I knew what awaited me and the rest of the space. Instinctively, I started to back off a little backwards, without any real thought that I could get away. […]

– But by chance, I managed to do it. An officer started talking to another officer and took a few steps away. In that moment, I managed to slip away to eventually join my parents in the camp.

Mietek says that the officer obviously had the opportunity to catch up with him – but he dared not do so, for then he would have been accused of misconduct in office and had suffered really bad.

So his parents were obviously under the age of 35, or they would have been in the gas chamber with him.

My theory is that Mietek was not in a gas chamber at all, but in one of the rooms that is no longer claimed to be a gas chamber.  Mietek was INSIDE an alleged gas chamber and there were allegedly two SS officers inside the gas chamber with him.  The SS men did not go inside the gas chamber with the victims.  This would have been too dangerous.  What if someone had dropped the Zyklon-B pellets into the gas chamber while the SS men were inside?  This would have been a disaster.  Surely, the Nazis were not that careless when they gassed the Jews at Majdanek.

The photo below shows the main gas chamber in Building 41.  This gas chamber was the one that was used most often, as evidenced by the blue stains caused by the use of Zyklon-B gas.  Is this the gas chamber that Mietek walked backwards out of?

The main gas chamber in Building 41  Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

The main gas chamber in Building 41 Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

The photo above shows the gas chamber in Building 41 at Majdanek which is most often photographed because it has the heaviest blue stains, indicating the frequent use of Zyklon-B gas.  The door in the photo is the exit to the outside of the building.  Did Mitek walk backwards out the back door?

The back door into the gas chamber in Building 41 is on the right Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

The back door into the gas chamber in Building 41 is on the right Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

The photo above show the rear of Building 41.  The gas chamber with the heavy blue stains was in the brick annex to the building, shown in the foreground.  The door on the right is the back door into the gas chamber.  On the left, you can see the part of the building that is made of wood; in this part of the building was an undressing room and a shower room.  Does this remind you of Dachau, which also had an undressing room and a shower room in the same building with four disinfection chambers for clothing?  I predict that, soon, the whole gas chamber story at Majdanek will drop by the wayside.

The gas chamber with the heavy blue stains, in the photo above, is right next to the gas chamber with a glass window, which is no longer claimed to be a gas chamber, but a disinfection chamber. Zyklon-B was obviously used in the gas chamber with the window because it also shows blue stains.  However, so many people, including me, have made fun of the gas chamber with a window that it has now been downgraded to a clothing disinfection chamber.

The photo below shows the roof of the gas chamber that has heavy blue stains.

Roof of the gas chamber at Majdanek has no holes. Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

Roof of the gas chamber at Majdanek has no holes. Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

Note that there are no holes in the roof for pouring in the Zyklon-B pellets.  What?  No holes?  Did the SS men just throw the Zyklon-B pellets onto the floor of a homicidal gas chamber?  That would have been stupid because it would have been hard to retrieve the pellets, to be used again, when they were mixed with the bodily fluids from the victims who died in this chamber.  This is a clue that the main gas chamber at Majdanek may have been a disinfection chamber for clothing.

When I visited Majdanek in 1998, there was a sign that said that the victims had to take a shower before entering the gas chamber in order to warm up their bodies so that the gas would work faster.  I suspect that this stupid sign is now gone because it caused so much laughter among the tourists. Did Mietek somehow wander out of the shower room and take a wrong turn into a clothing disinfection chamber where he backed out just in time before the Zyklon-B pellets could release the poison gas?

The photo below shows the door into the gas chamber with the heavy blue stains.  Note that there is a glass door.  This door was not there when I visited in 1998, but my tour guide would not let me enter the gas chamber; she hustled me out as fast as she could.  Note the wooden boards over the concrete floor.  The door to the gas chamber is in a room next to the shower room.

Peephole into the gas chamber with the heavy blue stains. Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

Glass door into the gas chamber with the heavy blue stains. Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

The photo below shows the peephole in the door shown in the photo above.  Note that the glass in the peephole is on the inside of the door, where it could easily have been broken by the victims inside.  Why would the Nazis have put the glass on the inside?  Was it because they thought that an SS man might become trapped inside and would have had to break the glass to save his life?

Peephole into the gas chamber with the heavy blue stains. Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

Peephole into the gas chamber with the heavy blue stains. Photo Credit: The Black Rabbit of Inlé

The fact that the glass is on the inside of the door has been used by Holocaust deniers to claim that this could not have been a homicidal gas chamber.  That is not a valid claim.  The victims were unclothed when they were shoved inside this gas chamber after first taking a shower.  They would not have had anything that would break glass on their person.  However, an SS man who had been trapped inside the gas chamber, by accident, would have had something that could break glass.  I am sure that the SS men were smart enough to have been prepared before entering a gas chamber.

So why has the number of gas chambers at Majdanek been downgraded?  I think it is because the number of Jews who died at Majdanek has recently been lowered to just 59,000.  Assuming that some of the deaths were caused by typhus or other diseases, that leaves around 50,000 Jews who could have been gassed at Majdanek.  Five gas chambers would have been too many if only 50,000 Jews were gassed.

With respect to the gas chambers of the Holocaust, if Majdanek goes, can Auschwitz be far behind?

32 Comments »

  1. This is really getting stupid. It’s crap like this that the Hebs want to feed us,in the hope everyone will accept it. This one is classic. What the guards were swapping nude pics of Eva Braun and Mietek the ” invisible jew” was able to slide without anyone noticing that? So let’s see. We got the Ross fella AKA “Super Jew”. He’s able to hide submerged in the outhouse without being detected. Now we have Mietek ” The Invisable Jew” . I’ve deduced that if he walks backwards,he’s cloaked and nobody can see him. I watched a documentary about Treblincka . There is only 2 Jews alive now that were there. The one jew was talking about how they were so exhausted from work that when they would be going from point a to point b, they had to run. If they fell,they were shot. Then he turns around and said they had their uprising a couple days later. If you can’t even walk,were you gonna get the energy to rise against your captors. He weapons were smuggled into the camp for them to use. As was currency. Now if their ass was getting worked day and night,how are they gonna be able to meet someone to get the weapons from? Okay the big day is here. They rise against their captors. On the way out of the camp,they boost all the guns in the weapons area for their use. They leave and get away. They’re all trying to figure out what to do now. In the group they got ,”Pretty Boy Jew”. This guy is hilarious. He told the rest of the group he was gonna have a solo flight. He said he could survive on his own. He could get by on his ,” good looks and charm”. Watch the documentary if you don’t believe me. The rest of the group,dug a bunker so they can hide in it. Yeah. A big huge bunker. If you’re an escaped convict,wouldn’t you want to keep moving ? Another interesting comment made by pretty boy jew was that they were talking to more than their share while they were on the run. This is where it’s hard to buy that. The whole time they’re on the run,all they had to wear was their “prison issued” clothes. There was like 200 Jews that didnt get caught. All those people. All wearing their prison issue,don’t you think that’s a bit fishy looking. These people ain’t makin good sense at all. When I was in Nam we worked with the Montagnards. When America pulled out,Pol Pot went out to start rounding up the Yards. It was Genocide. I dropped a quick email to the jew museum. I said don’t you think people should be shown that genocide is not just limited to the Jews ?their numbers are nowhere near what the Jews claim are their numbers,but murder is murder. This lady wrote me back and said ,” we’re putting one together “( the plight of the yards). Wait and see if they make an exhibit dealing with the Yards or not

    Comment by Tim — May 2, 2015 @ 2:37 pm

    • “Watch the documentary if you don’t believe me”

      can you please post a link?

      Comment by timeforthetruth@hotmail.com — May 3, 2015 @ 11:27 am

  2. Great post FG.

    I’d been meaning to ask you, do you had any literature, a pamphlet or the like, from you visit to Majdanek, which details the gas chamber story back then?

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — March 29, 2013 @ 7:53 pm

  3. FG wrote: “So why has the number of gas chambers at Majdanek been downgraded? I think it is because the number of Jews who died at Majdanek has recently been lowered to just 59,000. Assuming that some of the deaths were caused by typhus or other diseases, that leaves around 50,000 Jews who could have been gassed at Majdanek. Five gas chambers would have been too many if only 50,000 Jews were gassed.”

    59,000 jewish deaths in 34 months…or about 57 a day. You don’t need 5 or even 2 gas chambers to kill so few jews. Typhus and other diseases will be enough “to do the job”. At Auschwitz-Birkenau there were sometimes 400 or even more than 500 deaths a day during the worst typhus epidemics (Summer 1942). Your baseless 50,000 gassed jews at Majdanek sound like a fantasy intended to preserve the mythical Majdanek ‘gas chambers’…

    Comment by hermie — March 27, 2013 @ 5:14 am

  4. “When I visited the Majdanek death camp in 1998, the Majdanek Memorial Site was telling visitors that there were 5 gas chambers at Majdanek, including 4 that were in Building 41 near the entrance into the camp. Now the number of gas chambers at Majdanek has been reduced to only 2, which are both in Building 41.”

    They lied about 3 ‘gas chambers’ but they probably told the truth about the 2 other ones. Why wouldn’t they?😉

    Comment by hermie — March 25, 2013 @ 5:15 pm

  5. I actually visited this site with a very open mind, well really as open a mind as a compassionate person can have when dealing with Holocaust Denial or whatever it is people call it now revisionism…? Just a little background, I come from an African country that suffered a genocide which my family (except for my grandfather) pretty much narrowly escaped, but that was a year before I was born ironically a year after I was born we temporarily moved to Germany on State Business. Anyway the genocide took the life of an estimated 20 000 people who were shot Hitler style and also forced to dig their own graves moments before being shot others were burnt in houses and huts. Now the difference with the Holocaust is that these executions were public in front of children and the whole village so there is no Gukurahundi Denial. My point is 20 000 people died, unjustly, cruelly. 1 person, my Grandfather was burnt alive in a locked hut, I never got to know him, and you would think it doesn’t really hurt right? It does, that 1 person who died so cruelly matters and yet you use the words “just” and “only”… while talking about 50 000 innocent people!

    “has recently been lowered to just 59,000”, “only 50,000 Jews were gassed”…. Only??? Just??? Don’t you think the death of 50 000 Jews is more than enough to warrant sympathy or at least a little bit of respect?

    I don’t deny any of these facts (I hope they are), I have limited knowledge of the Holocaust which I am rectifying because I have a research project to do and The Holocaust would be good for the literature review.

    Comment by N. — March 25, 2013 @ 12:35 am

    • You wrote: “Anyway the genocide took the life of an estimated 20 000 people who were shot Hitler style and also forced to dig their own graves moments before being shot others were burnt in houses and huts.” If one person had managed to escape this shooting, by walking backwards away from the execution site, would you believe their story?

      You wrote that 20,000 people were executed. What if this number was lowered to 20 people, and you found out that 15 of them were not shot, but died of disease, would you think that the whole story was a lie?

      It was originally claimed, in an international court of law, that 1.5 million people had been murdered at Majdanek. Now that figure has been reduced to 59,000 deaths, including deaths from disease. If there were a similar lowering of the figures from the incident where 20,000 people were killed, would you suspect that someone is lying?

      You are implying that 20,000 people, who had done nothing wrong, were shot for no reason. When the Majdanek camp was filled with prisoners, there was a war going on, and some people were fighting as illegal combatants during that war. Others were enemies of one side of the war. How were the 20,000 people selected? Were 20,000 people just selected at random, for no reason at all?

      Comment by furtherglory — March 25, 2013 @ 6:33 am

      • Stranger things have happened, I would of course want to know what the setting was like. If it was a semi closed space and there was chaos inside and the guard was talking to someone else yes I can believe that you could walk backwards and escape the chamber. Of course if it was a very open space like I am describing and there is a clear demarcation of those to be shot and those watching I would be skeptic. You have read night right? The “madman” escaped by not receiving a fatal shot, let me tell you this a couple of people have also been known to have survived these gun shots and villagers would come back to the graves at night and try to see who had not died.

        If I had concrete evidence that most of the people had died of disease- actually lets keep using the Holocaust it makes much more sense. You say most of them died of disease? In work camps. I want to know why were the Jewish people and ‘undesirables’ in these camps? Why were they prisoners? Why were only these people stripped of their humanity? Lets put aside for a while the issue of gassing and deal with the stripping of wealth, the right to possessions and chucking everyone into an enormous camp with poor sanitation… This sounds like indirect genocide to me. If I came right now to America and forced you and your family into a camp with thousands of people who are dying of a contagious disease would I not be deliberately trying to kill you? Is that not a crime?

        The 20 000 people were supporters of the opposite party (A minority clan) pretty much like the Hutu’s and the Tutsi’s. These were strong young men and middle aged men and maybe a few children (mostly male)- the idea was to end the clan and leave the women to bear Shona children only although some women who were seen as hard headed were also killed. Like I said it was pretty much Hitler type, all for the domination of a particular blood race. The word Gukurahundi means; the early rain which washes away the chaff before the spring rains and that’s what they wanted to wash away the Ndebele people just like that.

        Comment by N. — March 25, 2013 @ 7:47 am

        • You wrote: ” I want to know why were the Jewish people and ‘undesirables’ in these camps? Why were they prisoners? Why were only these people stripped of their humanity? Lets put aside for a while the issue of gassing and deal with the stripping of wealth, the right to possessions and chucking everyone into an enormous camp with poor sanitation… This sounds like indirect genocide to me. If I came right now to America and forced you and your family into a camp with thousands of people who are dying of a contagious disease would I not be deliberately trying to kill you? Is that not a crime?”

          Go to this page of my website to read the history of the Majdanek camp: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek.html

          This quote is from the page cited above:
          Begin Quote:
          According to the museum guidebook, the camp was initially called the Concentration Camp at Lublin (Konzentrationslager Lublin); then the name was changed to Prisoner of War Camp at Lublin (Kriegsgefangenenlager der Waffen-SS Lublin), but in Feb. 1943, the name reverted back to Concentration Camp. Throughout its existence, Majdanek received transports of Prisoners of War, including a few Americans.

          Although the first prisoners at Majdanek were Russian Prisoners of War, who were transferred from a barbed wire enclosure at Chelm, the camp soon became a detention center for Jews after the “Final Solution of the Jewish Question” was planned at the Wannsee Conference on January 20, 1942. Mass transports of Jews began arriving at the Majdanek camp, beginning in April 1942, during the same time period that the Auschwitz II camp, which was originally a POW camp for Soviet soldiers, was being converted to an extermination camp for Jews.

          The headquarters for Operation Reinhard, which was set up after the Wannsee Conference, was in Lublin, near the Majdanek camp. The clothing that was confiscated from the prisoners who were sent to the three Operation Reinhard camps (Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec) was brought to Majdanek to be disinfected with a poison gas called Zyklon-B. The same gas was used in homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek to murder thousands of Jews.
          End Quote

          Note that the clothing taken from the Jews at the three Operation Reinhard camps was brought to Majdanek to be disinfected in gas chambers. For years, the story was told that these gas chambers were used for killing Jews, but now the Majdanek Memorial Site has changed the story, so that now it is told that only 2 of the gas chambers were used for killing Jews, while all the other gas chambers at Majdanek were used to disinfect the clothing.

          People in America WERE forced into camps during World War II, based on their ethnicity. German-Americans and Japanese Americans were sent to camps because there was a war going on, and they MIGHT have been on the side of Germany or Japan. There was no typhus epidemic in any of the American camps because typhus had been wiped out in America. In Europe, there were typhus epidemics which caused the deaths of many people, at the same time as the Germans were gassing people with the same Zyklon-B that was used to disinfect the clothing in the camps.

          Comment by furtherglory — March 25, 2013 @ 10:54 am

          • “People in America WERE forced into camps during World War II, based on their ethnicity. German-Americans and Japanese Americans were sent to camps because there was a war going on, and they MIGHT have been on the side of Germany or Japan.”

            YES. Now that is understandable— So were the Jews suspected of pledging allegiance to the USA or Russia or France? If so ALL of them? All the Jews in Germany, Hungary, Poland, the Soviet Union, Romania, France, Italy, the Netherlands, and Belgium? Even those who mostly kept to themselves like Jews from small villages usually do and did not even participate in politics of the country, they were all marked as traitors/ possible traitors- children, uneducated women, teens ALL OF THEM? I find that very hard to believe.

            And sending healthy people to camps full of disease, that alone makes it so easy for most people to believe that the Germans really were cruel and hellbent on exterminating the Jews.

            Comment by N. — March 25, 2013 @ 11:54 pm

            • Non-Jews were put into concentration camps because they were “enemies of the state,” meaning that they were Communists or anti-Fascist or on the side of the enemy during a war. Jews were not sent to camps in Germany unless they were “enemies of the state.”

              The Jews were “transported to the East” beginning in 1942. The Holocaustians believe that the Jews were transported to the East to “death camps” where they were killed in gas chambers. Holocaust deniers believe that the Jews were sent to transit camps, from which they were sent into eastern territories. Jews were also sent to labor camps in the East.

              Hitler would have sent all the Jews to Palestine, except that Palestine was a British mandate and the British would not allow the Jews to be sent to Palestine, except for 15-year-old Jews with manual skills. There was one camp set up (Bergen-Belsen) where Jews who wanted to go to Palestine were available for exchange with prisoners held in British jails and in American internment camps. However, only a few Jews were exchanged. After the war, there was a DP camp at Belsen where Jews waited as long as 10 years to get into Palestine.

              The camps were not “full of disease” when they were first opened. The Germans were trying their best to prevent disease by using Zyklon-B gas to disinfect the clothing and bedding in “gas chambers.” The Germans were NOT “hellbent on exterminating the Jews.” They were hellbent on exterminating the lice that spreads disease but they lost the battle to kill all the lice and typhus spread throughout the camps. The same thing happened during World War I when 20 million people world-wide died of disease. 4 million people died of typhus in World War I, and that was just in what is now Poland.

              Comment by furtherglory — March 26, 2013 @ 8:50 am

            • You wrote: “And sending healthy people to camps full of disease, that alone makes it so easy for most people to believe that the Germans really were cruel and hellbent on exterminating the Jews.”

              Your argument would be good if the Germans hadn’t made huge efforts to prevent those typhus epidemics from occuring and raging in their camps (delousing gas chambers and other delousing facilities, showers for new inmates, shaved heads and bodies, quarantines, etc.) and if the places where the jews lived at time were as healthy as you stated (Who brought typhus to the nazi camps according to you? The jewish ghettos were renowed for the typhus epidemics raging there, and not only during WW2, that was also documented during WW1 – http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2152684/?page=1.).

              Comment by hermie — March 26, 2013 @ 5:37 pm

          • Oh yeah. Weren’t their Ruskies that were guards at some of these camps?

            Comment by Tim — May 2, 2015 @ 2:43 pm

            • I have finally found the source of the claim that Russians were guards in some camps. It is in the following quote:

              “The first thing we did was turn off the power in the camp. Then we killed every one of the guards in the guard towers with our rifle butts. They were mostly Russian prisoners in those towers who worked for the Germans.”

              I wrote about the Russians who allegedly worked for the Germans in this blog post:
              https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/the-72nd-gun-battalion-liberated-dachau-on-august-29-1944-who-knew

              This quote is from that blog post:
              “Irving Ross, a Jewish soldier who was with “the 109th Anti-Aircraft Battalion in North Africa and then with the 72nd Gun Battalion, attached to the 45th Division in the 3rd US Army,” told newspaper reporter Don Moore that his unit liberated Dachau on August 29, 1944. Don Moore’s article about Irving Ross on this blog has since been deleted.”

              Comment by furtherglory — May 3, 2015 @ 1:35 pm

      • The ” Tutu ” commentator who calls himself N is either a stranger to reason or someone who is faking an identity to further a certain agenda. I would tend to ignore such critics as they are never satisfied and it is a bit like paying the Danegeld.
        Interestingly all the Pro Israel brigade who follow the Hasbara manual on all the UK national newspaper websites deceptively choose names like ” London patriot ” or ” English lad” to appear more British than the British.

        Comment by Pete — March 25, 2013 @ 9:05 am

        • Dear Pete

          1. ‘Herself’
          2. I am not faking my identity, I am who I say I am and I use an initial because I would rather my name not be associated with this passive activism as it can land me in jail on a charge of treason- believe me. It could.
          3. ‘Tutu’??? As in Desmond Tutu? Thanks man.
          4. It’s funny how people like to ASK questions about an event and criticize or question what other people say but when they are on the receiving end of that criticism and questioning they immediately question the identity of the commenter and start to insult.

          Comment by N. — March 25, 2013 @ 11:24 pm

          • So you’ ze an African sister who is making out as a defender of the true. Hey sister if you ze African I m the Pope

            Comment by Pope Francis, Vatican city. — March 26, 2013 @ 2:16 am

      • Mietek the Invisable jew could’ve done it.

        Comment by Tim — May 2, 2015 @ 2:39 pm

    • “I actually visited this site with a very open mind, well really as open a mind as a compassionate person can have when dealing with Holocaust Denial or whatever it is people call it now revisionism…? Just a little background, I come from an African country that suffered a genocide which my family (except for my grandfather) pretty much narrowly escaped, but that was a year before I was born ironically a year after I was born we temporarily moved to Germany on State Business.”

      As an African knowing people who experienced a real genocide and knowing Germany too, have you never been surprised by the ridiculously archaic design of the ‘gas chambers’ allegedly made by “the country of engineering” during WW2? I mean a guy climbing on a roof to pour insecticide pellets through holes in the roof that doesn’t look very German to me. Germany had the most sophisticated technologies of that time. Germany was known for her chemistry and physics. Germany had very complex desinfection gas chambers to delouse clothes, matresses and stuff like that. Germany was feared by all the Allies because of her innovative efficient weapons and military strategies. Germany’s top scientists were so good the Allies and Soviets first rushed on those scholars when WW2 was close to its end (Operation Paperclip). The German science in general was so advanced Harry Truman usued the Executive Order 9604, also known as the “License to Steal,” which permitted agents of the U.S. government to execute the greatest robbery in world history: the theft of German intellectual (scientific) property. This booty was so great that very soon one was even unable to count the stolen documents, and they were measured by weight of paper. Truman’s stealing units found and appropriated no less than 150,000 tones of secret files, which were transported to the USA to be evaluated. A new dictionary with 40,000 special scientific words had to be worked out.

      http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t892240/

      But in spite of that we are supposed to believe Hitler’s men found nothing better than a guy pouring cyanide pellets through holes – honestly a method seeming conceived by a retard mujik who had never seen a shower or a delousing gas chamber in his entire life – to implement their Führer’s alleged top priority plan, for a titanic extermination operation of millions of people. Unbelieveable…

      Comment by hermie — March 25, 2013 @ 5:13 pm

      • You make a very interesting point. I also asked similar questions, well somewhat, when I first learned of the methods used; why didn’t they just starve them? did they not have better technology to be efficient in their plan? Surely the Germans could have easily wiped out an entire village in a day?

        But those questions do not make me disregard the entire Holocaust. Just because it was not done as efficiently as I would think Hitler would does not mean that it was not done. Just to understand you better are you saying that noone was gassed by the Nazi’s at all? They all died of Typhus or other diseases?

        Comment by N. — March 25, 2013 @ 11:38 pm

        • “But those questions do not make me disregard the entire Holocaust. Just because it was not done as efficiently as I would think Hitler would does not mean that it was not done. Just to understand you better are you saying that noone was gassed by the Nazi’s at all? They all died of Typhus or other diseases?”

          Yes, I’m saying nobody was gassed by the Nazis. I wasn’t saying all the jews who died during WW2 died from typhus and other diseases. Some were also shot as partisan fighters and in reprisal (especially during the very harsh war on the Eastern front).

          As its not because it was not done as efficiently as it could that it was not done. But it makes the gassing story very unlikely. If you were told the Germans tried to invade the Soviet Union with bows and arrows, you would answer “Ridiculous. The Germans had modern weapons. They wouldn’t have attacked the Soviet giant with bows and arrows.” (they could do it but it’s very unlikely they would have done it). It’s the same thing with the alleged homicidal gassings. Hoess had very efficient and handy delousing gas chambers in the camp he administered when he was allegedly asked to gas as many jews as possible. Can you imagine Hoess opting for the ridiculous holes in the roof while he could simply connect a delousing cyanide machine to a room or another? The ridiculous Russian ‘gas chambers’ are the bows and arrows of my previous example. If Hoess had really opted for the ridiculous inefficient gassing method he allegedly opted for, he would probably have been executed for sabotage of Hitler’s orders. And there are other inconsistencies in the gassing narrative. One of those inconsistencies is the crematory ovens: you don’t use small individual ovens in very insufficient numbers (6 days to cremate the bodies of one gassing operation) while you can use giant industrial furnaces to achieve your task. Worst design ever conceived…

          Comment by hermie — March 26, 2013 @ 4:32 am

          • I get were you are coming from, I really do but on the other hand have you ever thought that Hitler and Germany were at war, this meant that they had to channel the bulk of their resources towards protecting Germany. Giving the Jews a quick less painful and less humiliating death was certainly not on his agenda. Providing man power and cheap Zyklon B pellets probably seemed like a much more plausible idea. Now, again if you think of it why would they build massive technology to gas the Jews when it was already working as was? And what would happen to these equipments once the Jews were kaput? Do you honestly think Hitler would ignore the war and use all his modern tech to gas Jews when people such as Hoess were around to do it inhumanely?, Hitler obviously crafted it that way for a reason and if it was not for the War it is very likely that we would be talking of the extinction of the Jewish race in this century.

            Your example is extremely exaggerating the situation; 1. The Jews, disabled, homosexuals and undesirables were hardly ‘a Soviet Giant’- more like a small fearful African country. 2. The Zyklon B was definitely not ‘bows and arrows’ because despite our modern thinking, at that time it worked quite efficiently- they did kill give or take 12 million people. And 3. the crematory ovens were of course discovered to be useless hence the mass graves and burning pits.

            But I do agree- worst design ever conceived and worst idea ever thought of.

            Comment by N. — March 26, 2013 @ 5:34 am

            • Oh, and by the way I thought one of the main issues concerning Holocaust Denial is that Germany in the 1940’s could not handle the “technical difficulties” inherent in using HCN for execution????

              Comment by N. — March 26, 2013 @ 5:40 am

              • I didn’t know that Holocaust deniers claim that German engineers could not handle the “technical difficulties” in using gas for execution. According to Wikipedia: “A gas chamber is an apparatus for killing humans or animals with gas, consisting of a sealed chamber into which a poisonous or asphyxiant gas is introduced. The most commonly used poisonous agent is hydrogen cyanide; […] During the Holocaust, large-scale gas chambers designed for mass killing were used by Nazi Germany as part of their genocide program …”

                If the Germans had needed any help with their gas chambers, they could have called in a German-American (Fred Leuchter) who was an expert consultant on gas chambers, which used hydrogen cyanide. It was only after the war that Holocaust deniers called in Leuchter as a consultant to examine the gas chambers at Auschwitz, Dachau and other places. He was able to point out the “technical difficulties” which made the German gas chambers unworkable.

                The main problem with the gas chambers, used by the Nazis, is that the German engineers did not work on one design and then stick with that design. I did a blog post with photos of the Nazi gas chambers, which are all different: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/how-many-of-the-nazi-gas-chambers-are-still-in-existence/

                Comment by furtherglory — March 26, 2013 @ 8:06 am

                • Either one of these 2 links says something about the ‘technical difficulties’ excuse…. It’s end of day here and I have to go so unfortunately I can’t read the text to find out which one it is.

                  http://remember.org/History.root.rev.html

                  http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

                  Comment by N. — March 26, 2013 @ 8:29 am

                • I am familiar with these two websites. They date back to the early days when I first put up my website. These websites do NOT point out the “technical difficulties” experienced by the Germans in designing gas chambers. Instead, these websites argue against what the deniers claim is the proof that the Jews were not gassed. These are the Holocaust believers answers to the points made by the deniers.

                  The Germans had no “technical difficulties” in killing lice in the “gas chambers” that they used. The problem is that the Germans used the word Gaskammer on the door of their disinfection chambers, which were used to kill lice. In America, the word gas chamber meant a room where criminals were executed.

                  In the 1940ies, everyone in America knew what the term “gas chamber” meant. It meant a small room where convicted criminals were put to death. Typhus had been completely wiped out in America and, during World War II, there were no Gaskammern that were used in America to kill the lice that spreads typhus. The internment camps for German-Americans in America did not use disinfection chambers to kill lice; if they had, there might have been claims that German-Americans were being “gassed” in internment camps. During World War II, General Eisenhower referred to the German concentration camps as internment camps.The camps in both countries were the same, in that both were camps used to imprison “enemies of the state.”

                  I was a child during World War II and when I first heard that Jews were being gassed, I thought that they were being put into small gas chambers, like the ones in America, and gassed two at a time. I could not envision a large underground gas chamber where 2,000 people were gassed at the same time. I was aware that German-Americans and Japanese-Americans were being put into internment camps during World War II.

                  Comment by furtherglory — March 26, 2013 @ 9:54 am

                • FG wrote: “The problem is that the Germans used the word Gaskammer on the door of their disinfection chambers, which were used to kill lice. In America, the word gas chamber meant a room where criminals were executed. In the 1940ies, everyone in America knew what the term “gas chamber” meant. It meant a small room where convicted criminals were put to death. Typhus had been completely wiped out in America and, during World War II, there were no Gaskammern that were used in America to kill the lice that spreads typhus. The internment camps for German-Americans in America did not use disinfection chambers to kill lice; if they had, there might have been claims that German-Americans were being “gassed” in internment camps.”

                  First, typhus hadn’t “been completely wiped out in America”. Typhus has simply never been a big issue in America. Small epidemics took place on the American soil but not big epidemics as the ones taking place in Eastern Europe in previous centuries. Some epidemiologists postulated typhus has never been a major issue in America thanks to specific environemental conditions.

                  And second, your hypothesis about the confusion on the “gaskammer” (disinfection gas chambers) would be credible if the U.S. propagandists hadn’t mixed pictures of a delousing gas chamber door (the door with a skull and crossbones painted on it) and pictures of the interior of another room (the room with the fake shower heads, etc.) in order to make people believe they were pics of the same room (see U.S. Army’s movie on the Dachau ‘gas chamber’ below). That trick clearly demonstrates the U.S. propagandists had a deliberately deceitful policy. Why is that so hard to believe? The U.S. propagandists had already acted the same way a little earlier, after Buchenwald had been liberated. Or do you think the American propagandists also confused the Jivaro shrunken heads they exhibited at Buchenwald with real nazi shrunken heads nowhere to be found???

                  Comment by hermie — March 26, 2013 @ 6:13 pm

            • You wrote: “Giving the Jews a quick less painful and less humiliating death was certainly not on his agenda.”

              Of course it would have been on his agenda (assuming the Nazi gassings really took place). Because more efficient gas chambers and proper cremation facilities would have meant more gassed jews, idiot.

              You wrote: “Do you honestly think Hitler would ignore the war and use all his modern tech to gas Jews when people such as Hoess were around to do it inhumanely?”

              Hitler didn’t need to ignore war. The technology already existed…but was apparently used only to gas lice.

              You wrote: “1. The Jews, disabled, homosexuals and undesirables were hardly ‘a Soviet Giant’”

              The gassings of homosexuals and disabled is another part of the holocaust myth. Disabled (some of them, the incurable ones) were killed with injections, not gas. And homosexuals were not killed at all (http://www.whale.to/b/wikoff.html). It’s a myth created in the 1970’s to fullfil the gay agenda.

              You wrote: “The Zyklon B was definitely not ‘bows and arrows’ because despite our modern thinking, at that time it worked quite efficiently”

              Of course Zyklon B worked efficiently…but not the way we’re said it was. The alleged nazi homicidal gas chambers would have been impossible to use for months because of cold (prevented cyanide from being released). The rest of the time Zyklon B was so efficient it would have killed the Sonderkommando workers who know tell us “You must believe in the Holocaust. I witnessed it”.

              You wrote: “And 3. the crematory ovens were of course discovered to be useless hence the mass graves and burning pits.”

              Where are those famous mass graves? Can you locate those huge mass graves on a map of Auschwitz? What is funny is the Soviets ‘calculated’ the numbers of people allegedly killed at Auschwitz – 4 million – with the supposed performance of the crematory ovens existing there (performance naturally vastly exaggerated for propaganda purpose).

              Burning pits? Even less credible than the alleged cremation grids of the Reinhardt camps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1wBkMDDOc)…

              Comment by hermie — March 26, 2013 @ 10:12 am

              • I am warning you one last time do not engage these people. Most of what they say is a bunch of BS spewed out of the love of Hitler and hatred of Jews. Stay away!

                ‘Of course it would have
                been on his agenda
                (assuming the Nazi
                gassings really took
                place). ‘… Why would Hitler of all the cruel men on earth want to spare the feelings of Jews? And hermie has the decency to call you stupid… smbh

                Comment by Nala — March 26, 2013 @ 11:55 am

                • It most definitely would not have been on Hitlers agenda to spare the feelings of a the Jews that much noone can argue about, well except for hermie who seems to be getting very angry by each post. If Hitler had an agenda to spare the Jews feelings he would not have been sending them to these camps. But I feel like we are going in circles. Guys, it’s common knowledge what Hitlers Final Solution transformed into. Whether the point was to deport them or exterminate them what happened was that 6 million give or take were killed due to his ‘plan’ and that alone is worth all this hype whether y’all like it or not. I also think that if Hitler were here today he would seriously be angry at all of you for undermining his ‘work’ *that was a joke*

                  Comment by N. — March 26, 2013 @ 10:58 pm

                • N wrote: “It most definitely would not have been on Hitlers agenda to spare the feelings of a the Jews ”

                  Who told you about sparing the feelings of the jews? My arguments were about efficiency, something the Germans are known for, especially when it’s a priority as the Holocaust was supposed to be for Hitler.

                  N wrote: “Guys, it’s common knowledge what Hitlers Final Solution transformed into.”

                  Yes, It’s “common knowledge” that doesn’t need to be proven and it has always been that way.

                  Nuremberg IMT Charter: “The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof.” (art. 21) – “The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence.” (art. 19)

                  N wrote: “I also think that if Hitler were here today he would seriously be angry at all of you for undermining his ‘work’”

                  Comment by hermie — March 27, 2013 @ 5:28 am

  6. This secret footage of Mietek Grocher walking backwards from the gas chamber has been hidden in a latrine and smuggled from Majdanek; it was recently donated to our vast collection of bull…. .

    Comment by U.S.H.M.M. — March 24, 2013 @ 6:47 pm


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