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April 2, 2013

Did Auschwitz prisoners have a choice to stay in the camp, or were they forced to go on a “death march”?

I have been researching my fingers to the bone, trying to find a source that proves that Auschwitz prisoners were FORCED to march out of the camp if they were able to walk.  Since the purpose of the march out of the camp was allegedly to march the prisoners to death, according to Daniel Goldhagen’s book entitled Hitler’s Willing Exectioners, it seems to me that those who were too sick to walk would have been killed before the Nazis left the camp with the prisoners on the march.  Otherwise, the death march would have accomplished nothing.  There would still have been prisoners alive who would be witnesses to the atrocities committed by the Nazis.

My blog post today is in answer to the following comment made by Carolyn Yeager:

How do you know these [prisoners in a photo] are actual liberated Auschwitz prisoners? Almost all the photos of the masses of people supposedly taken at “liberation” were actually taken later, up to a month later, or even more. I wrote about this at the end of this article at EWCTW: http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/elie-wiesel-knows-soviet-%E2%80%9Cliberators%E2%80%9D-destroyed-the-birkenau-crematoriums/

When I was on “the tour” at Auschwitz, the Polish tour guide stood before a big blow-up of a well-known photo of healthy (even chubby) youngsters behind a barbed wire fence, some in over-size striped shirts over their street clothing … and said matter-of-factly that it was taken “several months” after the liberation. I jumped on that and she explained that all the liberation photos, or most of them, were stills from a film made later with local people dressed to look like prisoners. Any photography from the actual first days of “liberation” is lost (been destroyed, more likely).
In my opinion, there was no “liberation” at Auschwitz of the type at Dachau and Buchenwald; it had to be invented by Soviet Intelligence. I really need to do a new article just about this.

One of the photos, to which Ms. Yeager referred, is the photo shown below.

Still shot from a film made by the Soviet liberators of Auschwitz-Birkenau

Still shot from a film made by the Soviet liberators of Auschwitz-Birkenau

The photo above shows some of the 611 children in the Birkenau camp after it was liberated. The girl on the far right is Miriam Mozes, the twin sister of Eva Moses Kor.  The twins were selected by Dr. Josef Mengele for his medical experiments.  Eva and her twin sister Miriam both survived; Auschwitz-Birkenau was liberated four days before their 11th birthday.

The photo of the children at the barbed wire fence is a still photo from a documentary film made by the Soviets in February 1945, so this is what the children in the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp looked like, no more than four weeks after they were “liberated” on January 27, 1945.

Were these children actually “local people dressed to look like prisoners” as the Polish tour guide claimed.  This would mean that Eva Moses Kor, who is still alive, was not actually in the film, but was being impersonated by a local Polish girl.  I saw the documentary film, which was shown in a theater at the main Auschwitz camp, when I visited in 1998.  I saw the version that had English sub-titles.  I don’t believe that the people shown in the film were locals who were brought in to impersonate  the prisoners.

Perhaps the confusion was caused by the photo below which is also a still shot from the Soviet film.

Prisoners walking out of Auschwitz-Birkenau camp

Prisoners walking out of Auschwitz-Birkenau camp

The photograph above is a still picture taken from the Soviet movie which was shown at the beginning of the tour at the Auschwitz Museum when I visited in 1998.  It shows some of the 5,800 Birkenau survivors, most of whom look like well-fed Polish peasants, walking out of the camp. In the background you can see the wooden barracks buildings, with windows under the roof, and the posts of the barbed wire fence. These survivors are walking along the interior camp road that bisects the Birkenau camp from north to south, connecting the women’s camp with the new section of Birkenau, known as “Mexico.”  For all I know, these people are imposters who were brought in by the Soviets because all the real prisoners had been forced to march out of the camp.

The tall, skinny guy in the photo is Dr. Otto Wolken, a medical doctor in the Birkenau Quarantine camp, who stayed behind to help his fellow prisoners when the Birkenau camp was evacuated. He is the only one in the photo who looks properly emaciated, as death camp prisoners should look.

Dr. Wolken was the first witness to testify at the Auschwitz Trial, held by the German government in Frankfurt between 1963 and 1965.

This website has some information about the prisoners who were marched out of Auschwitz:

In the evening the female prisoners in the Auschwitz women’s camp were formed into columns, including the female prisoners who were transferred from Birkenau, and driven out in the direction of Rajsko. The female prisoners of the gardening and plant breeding squads from the Rajsko sub-camp join the procession of the male and female prisoners evacuated from Auschwitz-Birkenau and bring up the rear.  There were 5,800 survivors at the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau) when the Soviets arrived on Januray 27, 1945.

There were more survivors in the Auschwitz I camp (the main camp), some of whom are shown the documentary film taken in February 1945.  The photo below shows men in the main camp.

Survivors in the main Auschwitz camp re-enact the liberation for a documentary made in Feb. 1945

Survivors in the main Auschwitz camp re-enact the liberation for a documentary made in Feb. 1945

They march through the communities of Pszczyna, Poreba, Wielka, and Jastrzebie Gorna to Wodzislaw in Silesia. Only Eugenia Halbreich (No 29700), who had hidden herself in the attic of a dwelling next to the house of SS man Grell, remains in the Rajsko sub-camp.

All the prisoners of the Monowitz sub-camp, the camp near the I.G. Farben works, are assembled on the parade ground in the evening. They are formed into columns of 1,000 prisoners each. Divisions of nurses were placed among the individual columns. The columns lead through Bierun, Mikolow, Mokre Slaskie and Przyszowice to Gleiwitz; 850 prisoners remain in the prisoners infirmary [at Monowitz], among them are assistant doctors, and 18 doctors, including Dr. Czeslaw Jaworski.

The prisoners are evacuated from the Trzebinia sub-camp and those able to march are led to Auschwitz; those that cannot remain there. Those still alive upon their arrival in Rybnik are loaded into open freight cars.

The Trzebinia Sub-Camp

After four days they arrive in the Gross Rosen Concentration Camp stiff from the cold. Because of overcrowding at the camp the transport is refused and is directed onto Sachsenhausen, but after remaining there for two weeks, it was sent to Bergen-Belsen. Arnost Tauber, Abraham Piasecki and Karl Broszio escape during the march.

Those unable to march are sent to the secondary railway track of the Trzebinia refinery, where they are crammed into four freight cars which set off for an unknown destination.

There was no mention on the H.E.A.R.T website, which I quoted above, that the prisoners were forced to march, or be shot if they refused or were unable to march.   In fact, nowhere could I find any information that the prisoners in the three Auschwitz camps were FORCED to join the march out of the camp.

Old women marching out of the Birkeanau camp in Feb. 1945

Old women marching out of the Birkeanau camp in Feb. 1945

The photo above is a still shot from the documentary made by the Soviets in February 1945.  It shows old women marching out of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp.  Apparently, these women were allowed to stay in the camp and were not FORCED to join the march.  They were allowed to live and were not shot because they did not join the march.

Chapter 14 of Daniel Goldhagen’s book Hitler’s Willing Executioners is entitled “Marching to What End?”

Goldhagen wrote that “marching the Jews to death, was an end in itself.” Goldhagen wrote that Himmler, the head of all the concentration camps, had given an order not to kill any of the Jews being marched out of the camps, but he wrote that, in spite of this order, the Germans continued to kill the Jews on the marches.

Goldhagen wrote this on page 367:  “Finally, the fidelity of the Germans to their genocidal enterprise was so great as seeming to defy comprehension. Their world was disintegrating around them, yet they persisted in genocidal killing until the end.”

As far as I know, Daniel Goldhagen is the ONLY source of the alleged story that the prisoners were marched out of Auschwitz for the purpose of killing them and that the prisoners were forced to join the march.

29 Comments »

  1. Thank you!

    Comment by Zack — July 8, 2014 @ 1:09 pm

  2. I find it very interesting that most of the people who have posted in response to this writing have done nothing but rant and rant and rant. Particularly about this idea that there is still some massive Jewish conspiracy going on to rule the world!! Carolyn says that the facts of the “holo- hoax”are “fake fake fake”… Okay, so where is the proof of this big world conspiracy besides the protocols (proven to be rediculously forged by document experts all over the world) and the creation of Isreal, which, if it were the result of some conspiracy, then it must be the most inefficient, unorganized and unsuccessful conspiracy ever!!

    Comment by Ginger — March 20, 2014 @ 6:55 pm

  3. I have always been under the impression that the prisoners were given the choice of either marching to camps still under nazi control or staying behind in auschwitz where they would list likely be shot by SS. Considering the behaviour of the SS up to that point I think it would be reasonable to assume that the prisoners believed they would indeed be shot if they stayed. If you are curious about any claims by Goldhagen, I would suggest checking out Christopher browns book,”ordinary men,” which gives some good rebuttals to goldhagens ideas – well worth the read!

    Comment by Ginger — March 20, 2014 @ 6:40 pm

    • It is not just Goldhagen, who believes that the prisoners were marched out of the camps, for the purpose of killing them; this is also taught by History Professor Harold Marcuse, who wrote this in a comment on my blog a couple of years ago:

      Begin quote:
      In any case the death marches in 1945 were a largely futile attempt to keep human evidence of and witnesses to atrocities from falling into Allied hands. That rationale hinged on the illusory notion that the Germans would ultimately defend some territory and in some bizarre way “win” the war. When some responsible German officials realized beyond doubt that the war was lost, they drew the “logical” conclusion and burned the marching prisoners alive, as happened at Ohrdruf, Gardelegen and numerous other places. For them apparently, dead evidence was better than alive evidence.
      End quote

      Comment by furtherglory — March 21, 2014 @ 9:39 am

  4. Hi! I could have sworn I’ve been to this website before but after looking at many of the posts I realized it’s new to
    me. Anyhow, I’m certainly delighted I stumbled upon it and I’ll be book-marking it and checking back often!

    Comment by Marcella — August 5, 2013 @ 8:21 pm

  5. A7733 was apparently in the same batch of twins as Eva Mozes Kor and is now looking for his twin brother on Facebook. It is quite the news, even on CNN mainpage.

    Comment by Question everything — April 10, 2013 @ 2:58 am

  6. It says something of the quality of the debate when Carolyn Yeager and Friedrich Paul Berg throw brickbats about a non-issue: the Hollow Hoax, and whether prisoners (inmates held in protective custody) were forced to march out of the camp or whether they were given a choice. The obvious conclusion is that the prisoners were evacuated prior the the Soviet advance, regardless as to the so-called “testimony” of individual prisoners after the cessation of hostilities in 1945. Placing any reliance on the accuracy of allegations made by the prisoners in Auschwitz after 1945 is akin to accepting the whole plethora of communist propaganda made against Germany and Adolf Hitler as factually true.
    It is a non-issue which is being reduced to a squabble between kids in a kindergarten. GROW UP!!!
    Carolyn Yeager posits the question:”Where is the proof of the entire holohoax? What we have is LACK OF PROOF.
    Carolyn’s deductive powers brilliant!!! The authors of the Hollow-Hoax did not include “evidence” in their construct and new religion: Holocaustianity; they simply bludgeoned the masses via the media into believing the Hollow-Hoax which the vast majority of the “brain dead” continue to believe. Max Kaiser, who has a slot on Russia Today, gave a brilliant example of just how completely brain dead the vast majority of Americans are when several Americans were offered the chance to buy one American silver dollar for one dollar. All offers were declined!!!
    The problem is not how to get Americans or people from other countries around the world educated about the Hollow-Hoax, but how to effect a cure for brain death. I am almost inclined to conclude that debates about a non-issue are symptomatic of a precondition to brain death!!!
    Short of a nuclear exchange between America and North Korea, it will be light years or never before the Hollow-Hoax is consigned to the dustbin of history and that is about as long as it will take to effect a cure for brain death!!! Jomi

    Comment by John-Joseph:Saintclair — April 4, 2013 @ 11:07 am

    • You would do better if you would read the blog heading: “Did Auschwitz prisoners have a choice to stay in the camp or were they forced to go on a “death march.” That was the Blog owners choice for his essay, which you are calling a “non-issue.” You should be addressing your criticism to furtherglory, not to me or Berg. If you don’t want to address this issue, why write any comment at all. Oh, I know, you want to see your name in print. I notice that clicking on your hyper-linked name takes me … nowhere. Just who is brain dead?

      Comment by Carolyn Yeager — April 4, 2013 @ 9:23 pm

    • Carolyn Yeager: It was a forgone conclusion that my response would ruffle a few feathers, and it comes as no surprise to me that you: Carolyn Yeager, should apply a typical evasive American response to my reply and make the preposterous suggestion that I want to see my name in print!!! Vanity has never been one of my weak-points, and if I wanted to see my name in print, all I would need to do is write a comment or essay, print it off and wax lyrical at the sight of my name, which has been attached to me since it was recorded on my Birth Certificate.
      Unless you, Carolyn Yeager have a severe case of myopia, I addressed the issue as stated in my reply:”The obvious conclusion is that the prisoners/inmates in Auschwitz were evacuated prior to the Soviet advance,” and any “evidence” to the contrary can/must be included in the vast plethora of Soviet Communist propaganda on which the whole Hollow-Hoax is based. The Hollow-Hoax IS a non-issue, because there was NO holocaust except in Soviet Communist Russia in which an estimated 66/100+ ethnic Russians were liquidated as per the agenda of Talmudic Zionists who were placed in a position at that period in history (1917) in Russia to initiate and instigate the most murderous assault on Christian Western Civilisation in the entire history of Christian Western Civilisation
      Over 500 SS personnel were executed by mentally subnormal American soldiers (mercenaries in American uniforms) who applied a pre-rational mentality to the liquidation of SS personnel who whose only “crime” was that they were members of the SS. Were these SS personnel given the choice of a fair trial in order to defend themselves against the fabricated allegations made by Soviet American officers? Friedrich Paul Berg on his website:nazigassings.com. states the obvious:”Not one single Jew was gassed to death”(in any of the transit/work camps). It is my conclusion that Americans refuse to address the role of Soviet America as one of the chief causes of the most infamous genocides in world history, a historical fact that most Americans prefer to sweep under the carpet of history or completely ignore altogether. As I said:”The authors of the Hollow-Hoax did not factor in “evidence” in their construct and new religion “Holocaustianity,” and it is only the clinically brain dead who promote and believe a construct that a reasonably intelligent 5 year old could de-construct. My only criticism of you: Carolyn Yeager, is your apparent envy of websites like furtherglory which you suggest I address my criticism!!! I could just as well apply any amount of criticism of the Hollow-Hoax as a non-issue and the role of Soviet Communist America on your website.
      It just happens that the issue of whether or not the inmates of Auschwitz were given a choice to march out of Auschwitz or whether they were evacuated was raised/ highlighted on THIS website.
      Carolyn Yeager: again your deductive powers are self evident by your sarcastic comment:”I notice that clicking on your hyper-linked name takes me … nowhere. Just who is brain dead?” My hyper linked name will take you to:”REPLY.”
      I do not need a website to justify my vindication of the history of German/European National Socialism and the defence and vindication of Germany/Europa in the defence both of Germania and Europa against Bolshevik Communism.
      Having said that, I fully appreciate the tireless effort of people like yourself to inform people about the factual history of WW1 and WW2.
      As for:”Just who is brain dead? I refer you to my comment that:”Several Americans were offered the chance to buy one American silver dollar for one dollar, and all offers were declined!!!”
      You may, as an American, take offence to Americans being called “brain dead,” but as I am sure you are very well aware of the fact that both historians and sociologists have referred to America as:”The most functionally illiterate country on the planet;” and since you have an above average knowledge of the National Socialist history of Germany, you will no doubt be very familiar with the speech of Adolf Hitler in which he describes America and Britain as:”the two most socially backward countries in the world.” Has anything changed?
      Carolyn, don’t be offended by the above facts because the same mentality (brain dead) almost certainly applies to much of the worlds populations as a symptom of “syphilisation,” the cause of which is all around us.
      Carolyn, you have the consolation of knowing that I am extremely flattered by your attention to my reply and your equally flattering comments on my name!!! Have a nice day, you’ll!!! Jomi

      Comment by John-Joseph: Saintclair — April 5, 2013 @ 6:28 am

      • Heh, heh. Who knows what you wrote – your first comment was so long and obscure that I didn’t read it. It’s more like an essay without any paragraph breaks. For that reason I doubt many did read it.

        When I click on your name, I get “Server not found,” not “reply.” Sorry that your system doesn’t work as you think.

        Comment by Carolyn Yeager — April 5, 2013 @ 11:59 am

        • I read John-Joseph Sinclair’s posts and was favorably impressed. I hope I see much more of his writing. His comment #3 which appears below was excellent. Please try to post on the rehabilitated CODOH forum as well which one can find through my website where it links to CODOH. I may copy comment #3 and put it on CODOH with John-Joseph Sinmclair as author, of course.

          Hitler was our true saviour as I have said so often. It is nice for me to see someone else say almost the same thing for other reasons than my own.

          Friedrich Paul Berg
          Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
          Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

          Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — April 5, 2013 @ 8:58 pm

        • Friedrich Paul Berg: Please feel free to copy any of my comments if you believe they might be interest to other parties.
          I tried to relay some information that I thought might be of interest, but I think my attempt may have been censored
          Having said that, you may be able to view the info at:reality Reviewed/Dr. Neville Thomas Jones/The real meaning of the designation ‘HRH.’ Some of this info is rubbish and can be ignored if you can access it.
          Adolf Hitler was our true Saviour, but how many people know the true personality and hidden destiny of Our Fuhrer?
          I posted a response on:totalfascism.com/Looking at Christianity Objectively, which has an excellent picture of Adolf Hitler standing outside of a church somewhere in Germany that contains a hidden meaning contained in the symbol of a crucifix above his head, and I doubt if people could decipher the hidden meaning.
          I will access your website from time to time to see if you have added any updates.
          In the meantime I am concentrating on the book I mentioned:”The Red Terror in Russia” by Sergey Petrovich Melgounov, which spares detail in the absolute sadism of the mass liquidation of Ethnic Russians and other ethnic peoples. Because this is an early print (1924/28) the book hopefully, has not been sanitized.
          If you get on to:totalfascism.com/Looking at Christianity Objectively, I have listed the name of a book that may be of interest to you. Once again Paul, I thank you for your kind remarks, and to Carolyn Yeager I say: I readily admit that I have an unremitting dislike of America, and especially the American involvement in the two world wars.
          Such is fate that this country so comprehensively betrayed its Germanic Anglo-Saxon heritage for rather more than 30 pieces of silver. Having said that, I do not have a personal dislike of ordinary Americans for the simple reason that they are not entirely to blame for their psychological condition, which has already been mentioned. Jomi

          Comment by John-Joseph:Saintclair — April 6, 2013 @ 12:32 pm

      • Heh, heh. Carolyn Yeager: I am rather surprised that you made the personal effort to reply to me!
        As for my comments being so long and obscure, I certainly do write rather long comments sometimes, because I try to be as informative as possible, but I might not always get my facts right. Since I am not an obscurantist there is nothing “obscure” about what I write, and since I am familiar with the complementary/antagonistic functions of the male and female brain; I detect a certain “envy” in your suggestion that my comment was obscure. I take that as a complement!!! Friedrich Paul Berg, at least, posted a complementary remark about me that I did not expect. Thank you Paul.
        Carolyn, your comment:”When I click on your name, I get “Server not found”, confirms that even the great Carolyn Yeager has a propensity for the immature and even childish comments that can be found on any number of web blogs.
        Please spare me the details. Instead of writing dead end stories about that infantile fantasist: Elie Weasel, perhaps you should follow the example of Friedrich Paul Berg, who pulls no punches in his defense of the history National Socialist Germany; and as I said in my comments about the Hollow-Hoax yesterday: “A reasonably intelligent 5 year old could deconstruct the Hollow-Hoax”. Heh, heh, Carolyn, you’ll have a nice day now!!! Jomi

        Comment by John-Joseph:Saintclair — April 6, 2013 @ 3:58 am

    • I think that anyone who questions the reality of what happened needs to open their eyes – for any concerns you have, check out Nizkor.com – did a brilliant job of answering any questions I had. Does it really matter whether it was 6 hundred or 6 million? No, the principles are the same.

      Comment by Ginger — March 20, 2014 @ 6:43 pm

      • The Nizkor website dates back to the early 1990s.

        This quote about the Nizkor website is from Wikipedia:

        Begin quote:
        The site also archives numerous postings made to the [alt.revisionism] newsgroup since the early 1990s. It does not archive every single posting ever made to the newsgroup; rather, the maintainers of the [Nizkor] web site have selected various messages for display that are seen as presenting factual information about the Holocaust;[3] or, in the case of some posters, about the authors of the messages themselves.

        In addition to providing an extensive archive of documents regarding the Holocaust, including the transcripts of the 1st Nuremberg Tribunal,[4] the Nizkor Project also seeks to expose the activities of Holocaust deniers themselves.[5] Based on the postings to the [alt.revisionism] newsgroup over the years, it has compiled extensive writings from self-proclaimed revisionists, including David Irving,[6] Ernst Zündel,[7] Michael A. Hoffman II, and others. Among the various pieces of information stored at Nizkor is a sound recording of an answering machine message allegedly made by white supremacist Tom Metzger, encouraging various individuals to “take action” against “Zinkor [sic] on the Internet.”[8]
        End Quote

        In other words, the Nizkor website is way back in the past, and no longer relevant today. AFAIK, the Nizkor website has not been updated for many years. It was set up as an attack on members of an Internet discussion group. I used to participate in the discussion group, and everything that I wrote was viciously attacked by Nizkor.

        Comment by furtherglory — March 21, 2014 @ 11:39 am

  7. The above paragraph should read:”With over one and a half million Russians who fought alongside German soldiers in German uniforms.” Jomi
    Hello Friedrich Paul Berg: I will read your comments and possibly respond in due course.
    I like your opening paragraph:” Elie is upset with this website! Jomi

    Comment by John-Joseph:Saintclair — April 3, 2013 @ 10:24 am

  8. Comment:”Golghagen wrote that Himmler, head of all of the concentration camps, had given an order not to kill any of the Jews being marched out of the camps, but he wrote that, in spite of this order, the Germans continued to kill the Jews on the marches.” Goldhagen wrote this on page 367:”Finally, the fidelity of the Germans to their genocidal enterprise was so great as seeming to defy comprehension. Their world was disintegrating around them, yet they persisted in genocidal killing until the end.”
    Firstly, you must recognize and comprehend the hidden language and mendacious fabrications of Goldhagen when he suggests:”Himmler, head of all of the concentration camps, had given an order NOT to kill ANY of the Jews being marched out of the camps.” This order was no doubt given AFTER 6 million Jews had been exterminated and after the decision to discontinue the extermination programme. The clue to Goldhagens fabricated lies are in the words: “NOT” and: “Any.” Heinrich Himmler would not have given such an order had the head of the SS been engaged in an extermination programme, any more than Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Jewson) or Lenin would have given the order the discontinue with the Soviet programme of the physical extermination of millions of ethnic Russians; and Goldhagens obvious contradiction is reinforced by his suggestion that:”Finally, the fidelity of the Germans to their genocidal enterprise was so great as seeming to defy comprehension. Their world was disintegrating around them, yet the persisted in their genocidal killing until the end.” Goldhagen simply reinforces his fabricated lies by suggesting that the SS simply ignored Himmler’s alleged order and continued killing the Jews as the means to bypass his obvious and glaring contradiction. The historical fact is that the German army together with their European contingent ( over 3 million Europeans volunteered for service in the German army and the German SS together with over one and a half Russians who fought alongside German soldiers in German uniforms) systematically and surgically annihilated Soviet Communist Russia and not even the combined efforts of Soviet Communist Britain and Soviet Communist America could salvage Stalin’s plans for the invasion and conquest of Western Europe; and it was the Communist alliance: Britain, America and Soviet Russia who saw their world disintegrating around them, yet THEY persisted in their genocidal killing until the end, and in this context, we must include the war in the Far East that was being waged against Japan by Soviet Communist America and Soviet Communist Britain. Goldhagen eats his own words (lies) when he suggests:”Finally, the fidelity of the Germans to their genocidal enterprise was so great as seeming to defy comprehension,” because the only fidelity that was ruthlessly implemented was the “fidelity” between Winstein Jacobson (fake Churchill), Franklin (Franklinstein) Delano Rossocampo Rosenfelt and Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Jewson) who persisted in their “great crusade” against civilization and the ruthless implementation of a global Communist World Order and it was they who saw their dream of a global Communist World Order evaporate before their eyes, and this is confirmed in the brilliant book:”The Nine Ghosts of FDR,” which also has the title:”The Strange Death of FDR.”
    After 1945, the “bond” or “fidelity” between Winstein Jacobson, Franklin Delano Rossocampo Rosenvelt and Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Jewson) eventually evaporated and they each blamed the other for the failure of their “great crusade” and politically speaking at least, they became (Britain, America and Soviet Russia) deadly enemies.
    So complete was the destruction of Soviet Russia, that after the war in 1945, Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Jewson)
    refused to accept any military honours and he also declined to ride the white horse in the Red Square Russian victory parade (some victory). That highly dubious honour was reserved for the over exaggerated military genius Georgy Zhukov, who as a military tactician was a complete failure from day one when Adolf Hitler launched Germany’s preemptive attack against Soviet Russia. Any military successes attributed to Zhukov are solely due to the supply of war material to Soviet Russia by Soviet Communist America and Britain via the Atlantic convoy system and ultimately the overwhelming industrial military might of Soviet America.
    If you read the book:”THE RED TERROR IN RUSSIA” by Sergey Petrovich Melgounov, which may be the only book about the Red terror you will need to read to get a comprehensive overview of the totality of the Red terror, it will become patently obvious that everything that was the Red terror in Russia has been superimposed upon National Socialist Germany including the persona of Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Jewson) which has been superimposed on to Adolf Hitler. The Satanic persona of Dzhugashvili has been superimposed upon Adolf Hitler as Satan personified.
    This is why the Red terror has been effectively “air-brushed” out of the history books, and so few books are written about Winstein Jacobson (fake Churchill) Stalin and Rosenvelt, and no end of books portraying Adolf Hitler as Satan personified and the most hated man in history since Jesus Christ. Could this imply a connection between Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ as the two most hated and demonized figures in history by the Jews?
    As for Carolyn Yeager, her advice is sound and objective enough, but Carolyn Yeager has not been slow in chastising me
    because I referred to the (Jews) in an email to Carolyn Yeager, as the joos, and she took exception!!! Jomi

    Comment by John-Joseph:Saintclair — April 3, 2013 @ 5:55 am

  9. FG wrote: “the purpose of the march out of the camp was allegedly to march the prisoners to death, according to Daniel Goldhagen’s book entitled Hitler’s Willing Exectioners”

    A very stupid method of killing once again. After the heat-dependent gas chambers built in cold morgues (Krema II & III), the extermination by walking while those ‘inconvenient witnesses’ could just be shot once evacuated to Germany…😉

    FG wrote: “There would still have been prisoners alive who would be witnesses to the atrocities committed by the Nazis.”

    Inconvenient ‘witnesses’? Belsen was full of prisoners evacuated from Auschwitz, alleged ‘Holocaust witnesses’. But when the typhus epidemics raging in Belsen camp couldn’t be controlled anymore, Himmler ordered that camp to be surrendered to the British forces. A few more weeks would have killed all those alleged ‘inconvenient witnesses’ but Himmler supposedly preferred to save their lives and incriminate himself.

    Comment by hermie — April 3, 2013 @ 3:51 am

  10. I have a problem with your sources, FG. You have a habit and a preference for using mainstream holohoax believers for your information. Here you start out with Daniel Goldhagen, Eva Kor and Dr. Otto Wolken — all strongly-identified Jews. Then you move to the Soviet-made propaganda film which you don’t doubt was made in Feb. 1945, and you link us to a page at Holocaust History Project.org which describes prisoner marches. The sources listed at the bottom of this page are: Danuta Czech, Martin Gilbert, Elie Wiesel, The Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial, and the Holocaust Historical Society. There is not an honest person or intention in any of them!

    I mean, what is the point? They make up stories as they like them to be — We might as well make up our own version of events. I don’t feel any inclination to believe any of this, as you do.

    The understanding is that the Germans evacuated all three camps. What does evacuation mean? Did they just mean to evacuate the SS personnel? Did they announce to the inmates that they could leave with the SS and march to Gleiwitz, or some other rail connection in Germany where they would get in a train to another camp, where they would be put to work? Did they announce to the inmates that they could stay or leave, whatever they chose?

    This evacuation took place on the 18th of January, for the most part. If the Soviets did not arrived until Jan. 27th, what did all the prisoners who stayed do during that time? How did they eat? How did they keep warm. How did they keep order if there were no guards? Why did they even stay? If the Russians didn’t show up until the 27th, why didn’t they just walk away, as many eventually did, supposedly Primo Levi. Why do the first Soviet photographers, etc.say that the place was quiet and desolate? And why aren’t these questions asked, let alone answered?

    As to Eva Kor … do you think she was just an average 11 year old who had really been experimented on by Mengele? Are there records that show that? The fact that she is in that picture with the other kids does not mean that they had been inmates too. How do we know that these pictures were not posed with all the people they could manage to get their hands on and pack them into frames to look like big crowds. Soviet intelligence operatives have to be clever people. There are really NOT that many people in any one photo, either.

    In the last photo of the old women, there is snow and icicles on the barracks roofs; in the next one up of the men, there is none of that and lots of sun; in the next one up, there is also no snow and ice on the roofs, but not sunny.

    There is nothing certain about any of this. Rather than checking all these books, I think it would be much better to use common sense about how people behave. Your last sentence is also a problem for me:

    “As far as I know, Daniel Goldhagen is the ONLY source of the alleged story that the prisoners were marched out of Auschwitz ** for the purpose of killing them** and that the prisoners were forced to join the march.”

    “For the purpose of killing them” was not in the original comment.

    .

    Comment by Carolyn Yeager — April 2, 2013 @ 6:28 pm

    • The photo of the old women walking out of the camp, after it was liberated, is shown on the H.E.A.R.T website with a caption which identifies it as a photo of old women on the death march out of the camp. This is a still photo from the film made AFTER the camp was liberated. These old women were not forced to join the death march, as the H.E.A.R.T website implies. These women do not look as if they have the ability to walk 35 miles at a fast pace, yet the H.E.A.R.T website uses this photo to illustrate the death march.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 3, 2013 @ 4:30 pm

  11. Pro-Nazi Collaboration by Elie Wiesel and hundreds of thousands of Jews

    Elie is upset with this website!Although ELIE WIESEL is today the poster-boy of the “Holocaust,” he clearly “chose” to collaborate with the Nazis in January 1945 rather than be “liberated” by Soviet troops advancing on Auschwitz. Although he has become a kind of rock star at Davos economics conferences with his “moral voice,” even singing Sholom Aleichem in Yiddish, he never attends the, now annual, Auschwitz liberation celebrations in Auschwitz in January. The fees are not as good, perhaps?

    New evidence has emerged, however, that Elie was not even at Auschwitz, ever, and that Elie Wiesel had simply assumed the identity of a much older relative who had been there. A recent essay by Carlo Mattogno presents new evidence casting the most serious doubts about everything Wiesel has ever claimed about his experiences at Auschwitz and even Buchenwald.

    According to Night, it was in January 1945, just before the first Auschwitz “liberation” event, that both Elie and his dad trekked west with the Nazis in a terrible winter on foot by their own choice and assisted the Nazis during the last months of the war. They had both, just as many tens of thousands of other Jews, chosen in effect to c-o-l-l-a-b-o-r-a-t-e with the Nazis and work (no free ride waiting in a Gasthaus) to defend the Reich. Some of Wiesel’s exact words in Night, paperback edition (Bantam Books, 1960) page 78 are:

    “The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him [the father] entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. ‘Well, what shall we do, father?’ He was silent. ‘Let’s be evacuated with the others,’ I told him.”

    Elie’s tale in this regard is corroborated by other “survivor” accounts including that of PRIMO LEVI. In Levi’s book Survival in Auschwitz, we have his words for January 17th, 1945:

    “It was not a question of reasoning: I would probably also have followed the instinct of the flock if I had not felt so weak: fear is supremely contagious, and its immediate reaction is to make one try to run away.”

    The Jews on “Schindler’s List,” just thirty miles to the east of Auschwitz, also chose to collaborate and went west eagerly also rather than hang back, or hide, or go east to be “liberated” by the Soviets. Their last months of the war were spent in what is now the Czech Republic making ammunition (all supposedly “defective and useless” by their postwar accounts) for the Nazis until they were “liberated” by Soviet troops in May of 1945. Of course, they could have been “liberated” six months earlier and put to work making ammunition for the Allies–but they had all chosen to collaborate with the Nazis instead.

    The vast majority of the people who entered Auschwitz “survived” because there was absolutely NO extermination program. No one had even tried to kill them. Clearly, the Nazis could NOT possibly have been mass murderers as many of those same Jews alleged, WIESEL especially, after the war.

    Let’s escape to German territory!If OSKAR SCHINDLER had really been a clever savior of his jewish workers, he could have simply found any number of places for his favorite 1,000 Jews (the chosen among the chosen) to hide from the SS for a few days until Soviet troops arrived and “liberated” them all. But he and they chose instead to flee west with the Nazis and SS, even going to or past Auschwitz just thirty miles to the west from Krakow and Plaszow. In effect, they ALL chose to collaborate instead of be “liberated” by Soviet troops who were so near. “Liberation” is what supposedly happened, after all, to the Jews who were NOT on Schindler’s List. Is there any doubt about that? And those “liberated” Jews did not have to fear Auschwitz or any other horrors at the hands of the Nazis once they were “liberated” by the Soviets—right!!

    We also learn from Israeli holocaust historian professor Israel Gutman that Jewish prisoners actually joined the march voluntarily. Here is testimony taken from Gutman’s book as given by Gilad Atzmon: ‘One of my friends and relatives in the camp came to me on the night of the evacuation and offered a common hiding place somewhere on the way from the camp to the factory. …The intention was to leave the camp with one of the convoys and to escape near the gate, using the darkness we thought to go a little far from the camp. The temptation was very strong. And yet, after I considered it all I then decided to join (the march) with all the other inmates and to share their fate’ from Israel Gutman [editor], People and Ashes: Book Auschwitz – Birkenau, (Merhavia 1957) page 168. In commenting about this passage from Gutman, Gilad Atzmon has said: “I am left puzzled here, if the Nazis ran a death factory in Auschwitz-Birkenau, why would the Jewish prisoners join them at the end of the war? Why didn’t the Jews wait for their Red liberators?”

    Isn’t it rather obvious than no one in his right mind wanted to be “liberated” by the Soviets. That is just one dirty little secret that is buried in the Jewish holocaust fables. Compared to the Soviets (America’s greatest allies), even the Nazis and the SS from Auschwitz (the worst of the worst?) were preferred by the “survivors” of the mass extermination of more than a million Jews. It makes no sense at all, especially when one realizes how many Soviet leaders and officials were Jews also. Millions of Palestinians fled in terror a-w-a-y from the Israelis (not toward the Israelis!!) after the deliberate murder of merely hundreds, perhaps a few thousands, at Deir Yassin and elsewhere. At Auschwitz, a million Jews had supposedly been murdered by the Nazis practically in front of the eyes of the “survivors.” And yet, those same “survivors” still preferred to endure the hardships of wartime travel in the depth of winter with, and continue to work with and for those very same Nazis—supposedly the greatest murderers of Jews in all of human history. It is unbelievable!

    Did those “Auschwitz survivors” think, if they went west with the Nazis, they could at some point simply skedaddle over to the western Allies and offer themselves as witnesses to Nazi barbarism? Did they think the Nazis would really let them escape if they were worried about what these Jewish “survivors” and “eyewitnesses” might have to say? Clearly, what was happening was totally different from the horrible fairytale we have been given since the war. No doubt, the Jews went west with the Nazis because they knew the Nazis would keep them alive as best they could. The greatest danger they faced on their trek west was Allied bombing and strafing—and NOT the Nazis or SS at all.

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — April 2, 2013 @ 4:57 pm

    • You wrote: “Elie is upset with this website!” To what website are you referring? I seriously doubt that Elie Wiesel reads my website or my blog. Did you mean that he is upset with Carolyn Yeager’s website called “Elie Wiesel Cons the World”? If I were Elie, I would be very upset with Carolyn Yeager. But what can he do? America still has free speech.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 3, 2013 @ 3:20 pm

      • F.P. Berg is another one who only wants to raise his own issues, over and over again, instead of sincerely attempting to give a clear answer to the question asked by this blog post. In fact, no one has yet done so.

        Comment by Carolyn Yeager — April 3, 2013 @ 4:04 pm

        • I have been unable to find any PROOF that the prisoners were given a choice of whether to go on the march, or stay at Auschwitz, but I think the photos show that there were people who could have walked 35 miles to Gleiwitz, but they stayed behind. For example, Otto Frank. He was not sick, but he had asked to be put into the camp hospital because he didn’t want to work. He tried to persuade Peter, the boy who had hidden in the annex with the Frank family, to stay behind, but Peter chose to join the march and made it to Mauthausen.

          Comment by furtherglory — April 3, 2013 @ 4:43 pm

          • Where is there PROOF for the entire holohoax? What we have is LACK OF PROOF. We have propaganda photos from a film made by the Soviets after they took over the camp. No one was ever allowed to go there and see for themselves after that. So do you think they were aboveboard about what they were showing? Do you think any of it was honest? How could those adults and children be concentration camp survivors, where food was so scarce, and be so fat? Nobody asks these questions. What’s worse, no one answers if someone does ask.

            All our information comes from Jews, and they contradict one another. We use the Jew’s language too. A March. A “death” march. Isn’t it true that it was an evacuation? The point was to evacuate, not to march. Since there were no trains in the locality, or none available, they had to march on foot to the nearest location of a train. The SS guards were walking too! The whole thing has been so twisted out of shape. We have to throw out almost all of it and get back to basic facts that we know, and admit how much we don’t know. We need to look elsewhere than in these books written by Jews. It doesn’t matter if Otto Frank was really sick or not – he was in a hospital and the camp bureaucracy said he was a patient who needed to be there. Thus, he was treated as a patient. Have we seen any pictures of Otto Frank being liberated? What about Primo Levi? Why don’t we have pictures of the patients in the hospital barracks after the liberation? Everything we see is fake, fake, fake.

            I would say that if the Germans decided to evacuate the camp, everyone had to go. How could it be that they would say: Come along with us or stay behind, it’s your choice. Most people would not even be able to make such a choice.

            Comment by Carolyn Yeager — April 3, 2013 @ 10:08 pm

        • Carolyn Yaeger should read my answer, s-l-o-w-l-y and carefully, for the clear evidence that I cited and even quoted. It is all there!

          Friedrich Paul Berg
          Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
          Nazi Gassings Never Happened!

          Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — April 3, 2013 @ 5:34 pm

          • Why don’t you write it up front in plain, direct language, if you have an opinion on this at all. I’m not going to wade through all your verbiage and try to “intuit” it.

            Comment by Carolyn Yeager — April 4, 2013 @ 7:27 am

          • P.S. Plus you didn’t answer FG about what website you were referring to. I think in honest exchanges, one party cannot pick and choose what they will answer and what not.

            Comment by Carolyn Yeager — April 4, 2013 @ 7:43 am


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