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January 1, 2014

North America — the last outpost for Holocaust denial

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 12:50 pm

This quote is from a news article, which you can read in full here:

The United States and Canada have a totally different approach to hate speech because their history is different from the aggressors’ of World War II, “so their attitude to legislation on the matter is totally different,” said Porat. While in Europe the trend is to act against racist comments, not just racist actions, North American law sanctifies freedom of speech. “Holocaust denial is not outlawed there,” said Porat. “There is a whole empire of denial.”

It’s true.  The last outpost for Holocaust denial is North America.  Most of the countries of Europe have Holocaust Denial laws now.  It is most unusual that the US and Canada still have free speech, regarding the Holocaust.  However, the free speech laws didn’t protect Holocaust deniers Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel, who were both renditioned to Germany for trial.  Both were convicted of Holocaust denial and served time in a German prison.

Dachau prisoners celebrate their liberation from Dachau

Dachau prisoners celebrate their liberation

This quote, regarding Holocaust Denial, is from Wikipedia:

Holocaust denial is the act of denying the genocide of Jews in the Holocaust during World War II.[1][2] The key claims of Holocaust denial are that the German Nazi government had no Final Solution policy or intention of exterminating Jews, Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers to mass murder Jews, and the actual number of Jews killed was significantly (typically an order of magnitude) lower than the historically accepted figure of 5 to 6 million.[3][4][5]

Holocaust deniers generally do not accept the term denial as an appropriate description of their activities, and use the term revisionism instead.[6] Scholars use the term “denial” to differentiate Holocaust deniers from historical revisionists, who use established historical methodologies.[7] The methodologies of Holocaust deniers are criticized as based on a predetermined conclusion that ignores extensive historical evidence to the contrary.[8]

Source [8] is quoted below.

8.  Predetermined conclusion:

“‘Revisionism’ is obliged to deviate from the standard methodology of historical pursuit because it seeks to mold facts to fit a preconceived result, it denies events that have been objectively and empirically proved to have occurred, and because it works backward from the conclusion to the facts, thus necessitating the distortion and manipulation of those facts where they differ from the preordained conclusion (which they almost always do). In short, “revisionism” denies something that demonstrably happened, through methodological dishonesty.” McFee, Gordon. “Why ‘Revisionism’ Isn’t”, The Holocaust History Project, May 15, 1999. Retrieved December 22, 2006.

Alan L. Berger, “Holocaust Denial: Tempest in a Teapot, or Storm on the Horizon?”, in Zev Garber and Richard Libowitz (eds), Peace, in Deed: Essays in Honor of Harry James Cargas, Atlanta: Scholars Press, 1998, p. 154.

The Holocaust History Project is discussed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_History_Project

Their website has a list of the members of The Holocaust History Project, many of whom are now dead, or retired from writing about the Holocaust.

For the official history of the Holocaust, which you must believe, to stay out of prison in 17 countries [soon to be 19 countries in 2014] go to this page of the THHP website: http://www.holocaust-history.org/denial/revisionism-qa.shtml

A few years ago, the Holocaust History Project had a website which claimed that the Dachau gas chamber was a real gas chamber where prisoners were gassed.  I have been unable to find the original page with photos which proved that Dachau had a homicidal gas chamber.

This quote is an example of what you can read on The Holocaust History Project website:

The overall total of around 6 million is based on demographic studies and analysis of Nazi train records that record the numbers of Jews shipped to Auschwitz during its existence. An example of the methodology used is in Raul Hilberg’s Destruction of the European Jews.

I read somewhere that the train records were never found.  I read this, either in Edwin Black’s book, “IBM and the Holocaust,” and/or in a pamphlet that I obtained from the Auschwitz Museum.

You can read more about the 6 million at http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/

9 Comments »

  1. I stand corrected. Have you ever looked at Antony C Sutton’s books? He Names Lord Rothschild Oppenheim , Oppenheimer, Schiff, Warburg and Wassermann of Deutsche bank as being connected with central bankers including Schacht of the Reichsbank in the conspiracy to start world war 2. A number of corporations were involved which I won’t name on your blog so they don’t harass you.

    Comment by der wulf — January 11, 2014 @ 11:00 pm

    • I am not familiar with Anthony C. Sutton, nor this books. However, I have read Pat Buchanan’s book about how World War II was started — not by Germany. It has taken many years for Buchanan to live that down, but he is back on TV news commentary shows now.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 12, 2014 @ 7:57 am

  2. Mazal’s claims don’t prove anything. The staff at Dachau may have built it but abandoned the notion of using the fifth room or brausebad as a functioning gas chamber. They may have used gas vans to bring Dachau prisoners to Hadamar.

    Comment by der wulf — January 10, 2014 @ 8:28 pm

  3. Left-wing historian who’s a Holocaust skeptic:

    http://legalienate.blogspot.com/2007/07/gas-chambers-911-and-perils-of_02.html

    He’s independent (doesn’t have a job at a university) so it’s a lot easier for him to entertain skepticism than a historian who works in academia.

    Comment by fnn — January 3, 2014 @ 11:51 am

  4. All the best for 2014, furtherglory. And the same for your regular reader.

    Comment by hermie — January 2, 2014 @ 1:53 am

  5. Hilberg wrote a article entitled “Dimensions of Genocide” that features in the 1994 book Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp , and which is I believe his final scholarly work on Auschwitz. In it he produces tables that list the arrivals of Jews in Auschwitz with the following totals:

    To December 1942 – “Up to 175,000”
    Jan – March 1943 – “Near 105,000”
    April – March 1944 – “Ca. 160,000”
    April – Nov 1944 – “Over 585,000”

    Total: 1,025,000

    In two lengthy endnotes in small type that combined would fill an entire page he details his sources for these figures.

    For the first two figures (175,000 & 105,000) he cites:

    1. The Korherr reports
    2. A statistical report compiled by Czechoslovakian Jewish communist Bedrich Steiner for the Eichmann trial
    3. “Transports from Germany to Auschwitz originated mainly in Berlin. See the compilation in the indictment of Berlin Gestapo officials, February 22, 1969, 1Js 9/65, Leo Baeck Institute microfilm 239.” Here Hilberg mentions that a total of 1,812 Jews have been included although its not clear whether they were destined for Riga or Auschwitz
    4. The article “Österreich” published in Wolfgang Benz (ed.), Dimension des Völkermords (1991)
    5. A report written by a Jewish elder Josef Lowenherz “for 1942”
    6. The book Dokumente zur Geschichte der Frankfurter Juden, 1933 – 1945 (1963)
    7. “The remaining numbers, which are less precise, may be gleaned from Czech’s Kalendarium.” i.e. the book by communist-era Polish sociologist whose father was a prisoner at Auschwitz
    8. German railroad correspondence regarding Bialystok held on microfilm at the USHMM, which Hilberg “assumed here to have averaged somewhat over 2,000 each”

    For the second to figures (160,000 & 585,000) he cites:

    A. The book by Rabbi Michael Molho In memoriam: Hommage aux victimes juives des Nazis en Grèce (1948), specifically an article by Josef Nehama
    B. The book Il libro della memoria (1991) by Liliana Picciotto Fargion
    C. The book Memorial to the Jews Deported from France 1942-1944 (1983) from the Klarsfelds
    D. The book Mémorial de la Déportation des Juifs de Belgique (1982) from the Klarsfelds
    E. The book Theresienstadt 1941–1945: Das Antlitz einer Zwangsgemeinschaft. Geschichte, Soziologie, Psychologie by Hans Günther Adle (former inmate)
    F. Czechoslovakian Jewish communist Bedrich Steiner’s testimony at Eichmann’s trial
    G. Reports by German Minister Veesevmayer, IMT docs NG-5619; NG-2263; NG-5615
    H. Testimony of murdered Nazi collaborator Rudolf Kastner
    I. Letter from German Economy Ministry to German Foreign Office
    J. The book Kalendarium by Danuta Czech, the communist-era Polish sociologist whose father was a prisoner at Auschwitz

    It’s possible that some of the books and articles cited by Hilberg contain details of German rail transport records which substantiate the figures, and Hilberg just cited the books instead of archival refs. for ease of verification. But it’s unlikely when you consider that exterminationists Jean-Claude Pressac and Fritjof Meyer simply reduced the number of Jews gassed at Auschwitz to 470,000—550,000 and 356.000 respectively, without feeling the need to explain what became of the surplus half-million+ Jews.
    http://vho.org/tr/2003/1/Faurisson17-23.html

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — January 1, 2014 @ 7:42 pm

  6. Furtherglory,

    I am assuming you refer to the text THE DACHAU GAS CHAMBERS by Harry Mazal, the text can be found via the Wayback Machine:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20050311091556/http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/

    That particular one was captured in 2005.

    Best wishes,
    -k0nsl

    Comment by k0nsl (@k0nsl) — January 1, 2014 @ 2:32 pm

    • Thanks a million for this link. Yes, this is the website, to which I was referring. I recall reading this website way back in 1997 or 1998. In those days, most people put links to tiny photos on a website because it took forever to load a page with several full sized photos.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 2, 2014 @ 7:31 am


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