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January 2, 2014

Changes in the Dachau gas chamber story over the years

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 11:10 am

A reader of my blog provided a link to a page, captured by the “wayback machine,” which shows what a famous Dachau website looked like years ago.  You can see it for yourself at https://web.archive.org/web/20050311091556/http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/

The website, shown in the link, was one of the first websites about Dachau, if not THE first.

This quote is from an “essay” written by Harry W. Mazal OBE, which was published, many years ago, on the website, cited above:

A larger room adjacent to the four disinfestation chambers is also a gas chamber but this one was designed specifically for homicidal purposes. Any doubts that this chamber is a gas chamber are rapidly dispelled upon viewing the exhaust vents on the ceiling of the room <photo 31>, the exhaust chimney on the roof <photo 32>, and the metal doors that are identical in design to those used by the disinfestation gas chambers <photo 33> <photo 34>. It would appear that the fake shower heads on the ceiling of the chamber <photo 35>, the sign over the door stating Brausebad (shower room) <photo 36> and the smooth brick finish simulating tiling (see <photo 41> below) were part of an elaborate ploy to make the victims believe they were going to take a bath after having deposited their clothes in the passageway connecting the disinfestation chambers with the homicidal chamber.

Most people have never had the opportunity to see a real homicidal gas chamber, which was used to execute condemned criminals.  I am from Missouri, one of the few places which has a real gas chamber, which I saw when I was about 12 years old.

Mazal’s photo 32, which shows “the exhaust chimney on the roof” is shown below.

Harry Mazal's photo of the exhaust pipe on the roof of the Dachau gas chamber

Harry Mazal’s photo of the exhaust pipe on the roof of  gas chamber

40 ft. pipe on the roof of the Missouri gas chamber

40 ft. exhaust pipe on the roof of the Missouri gas chamber

According to Fred Leuchter, who was a consultant for the Missouri gas chamber, until his career was ruined, a homicidal gas chamber must have a 40 foot gas pipe.  Leuchter does not have a degree in Engineering, so what does he know?

This quote is also from Harry Hazal’s website:

The question arises of the difference between the method of dispensing of Zyklon-B to the disinfestation chambers and to the extermination chamber. Quite simply: the exposure time and concentration of hydrogen cyanide gas for killing insects is considerably higher than that which is needed to kill humans. According to the manufacturers of the product, it only requires 0.3 grams per cubic meter to kill human beings, whereas concentrations of up to 10 grams per cubic meter were routinely employed to destroy insects. 22 The relative ease with which it is possible to kill humans with low concentrations of hydrogen cyanide makes it simpler and less expensive to use the drawer-like bins in the homicidal chamber rather than to use the costly Degesch dispensers. Additionally, the bins would allow for other volatile poisons to be employed as suggested by Rascher in his letter to Himmler.

The photo below shows “the drawer-like bins” mentioned by Mazal on his website.

photo 39 on Harry Hazal's website shows the "drawer-like bins" used to put the gas pellets into the Dachau gas chamber

photo 39 on Harry Hazal’s website shows the “drawer-like bins” used to put the gas pellets into the Dachau gas chamber (photo taken by Daniel Karen)

The original caption on the photo above: “Close-up view of bin-like drawer designed to introduce lethal poisons into the homicidal chamber. Note hinges on bottom allowing the device to rock in or out. (Photo by Dr. Daniel Keren.)”

To his credit, Harry Mazal quotes from a small book written by Bishop Neuhäusler, which was first published in June 1960:

Bishop Neuhäusler, for example, states:

Also behind the wire fence was the camp crematorium. At first it was housed in a wooden barrack, later in a stone building built by Polish Catholic priests, to whom the building trade had been taught. This crematorium was located in a small forest on the west side quite close to the camp. The prevailing wind was from the west and consequently the smell of burning corpses filled the camp, reminding of their approaching end and adding immeasurably to their despair.

With the new crematorium a gas chamber was also connected. The whole construction of the crematorium with its gas chamber was completed in 1943. It contained an ‘undressing room’, a ‘shower bath’, and a ‘mortuary’. The showers were metal traps which had no pipelines for a supply of poisonous gas. This gas chamber was never set in action in Dachau. Only the dead were brought to the crematorium for ‘burning’, no living for ‘gassing’. 25

The quote above is from page 17 of a small 82 page booklet by Dr. Johannes Neuhäusler, which I purchased at the Dachau Memorial Site in 2001.  It was the 2000 edition of his booklet entitled “What was it like in the Concentration Camp at Dachau? An Attempt to Come Closer to the Truth”

Dr. Neuhäusler was an Auxiliary Bishop of Munich.  I wrote about him and the other Catholic priests, who were prisoners at Dachau at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/DachauLife3.html

After writing that “no living” prisoners were brought to the crematorium “for gassing,” Dr. Neuhäusler went on to say, in his booklet, that prisoners at Dachau were taken to Hartheim Castle near Linz, Austria, to be gassed.  You can read about the gas chamber at Hartheim Castle on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/gaschamber02.html

When I visited Dachau for the first time in 1997, I spent a lot of time in the Dachau Museum, which has since been changed at least twice.  In the original Museum, I recall reading that sick prisoners were sent to Hartheim Castle to be gassed to death, but first a doctor had to sign the order for the prisoner to be sent to Hartheim, giving the cause of the fatal illness that warranted a merciful death for the prisoner.

The fact that prisoners from Dachau were sent to Hartheim to be gassed indicates that there was no homicidal gas chamber at Dachau — until the shower room was converted into a gas chamber by the Americans who liberated Dachau.  I blogged about the Dachau gas chamber film that was shown at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/11/19/proof-of-the-nazi-gas-chambers-given-at-the-nuremberg-imt-on-nov-29-1945/

I have written about the Dachau gas chamber on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history02.html

Harry Mazal is now deceased, but if he were still alive today, would he still claim that the shower room at Dachau was a homicidal gas chamber?  Tour guides at Dachau now tell gullible teenagers that the Dachau gas chamber was used, although not for “mass gassing.”

10 Comments

  1. fg Were there any drs at Kl Monowitz? That might give us a clue about the alleged gaskammer. And did the allies paint the word gaskammer on the doors to the alleged gaskammer at Dachau? How about the ones used to disinfect clothing- the alleged disinfection chambers? Happy new year!

    Comment by der wulf — January 6, 2014 @ 5:44 pm

    • Primo Levi, who was a prisoner at Monowitz, wrote that he was in a hospital and a doctor was treating him. Elie Wiesel also wrote that he was in a hospital bed at Monowitz.

      The Allies did NOT paint the word Gaskammer on the door to the alleged gas chamber. The word Brausebad was put onto the door of the alleged gas chamber by the Germans when they built the shower room.

      The 4 disinfection chambers at Dachau had the word “Gaszeit” on the door, with a space to write the time with chalk.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 7, 2014 @ 7:40 am

  2. People were not gassed at Hartheim either, nor in any other Euthanasia institute. Euthanasia death was given by lethal injections. When the Allied postwar kangaroo trials were held, the personnel of the Hadamar institute was sued and it was reported at that time (October 1945) that disabled and POW’s had been killed there by “injection of lethal tablets”, not by gassing with carbon monoxide (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/picture.php?albumid=1804&pictureid=28856). At that time the Allies were ‘reporting’ Nazi gas chambers everywhere they could for their home atrocity propaganda. It’s not believable they would have just forgotten to mention the Hadamar gas chamber if there had been one. If “the Holocaust propagandists now lie about the Hadamar alleged gas chamber, why would they tell the truth about the Hartheim alleged gas chamber?

    The Hartheim ‘gas chamber’ is totally ridiculous. A castle has many rooms with no windows. Anyone planning and building a gas chamber would of course choose one of those rooms, not a room with windows which would have been broken by the doomed ones as soon as the first victim would have fallen.

    Moreover the Euthanasia alleged gas chambers damages the ‘Holocaust’ narrative. Had the Germans used bottles of pure carbon monoxide (100% CO) in their Euthanasia ‘gas chambers’, they would have never used engine exhaust with very few carbon monoxide (0.2% CO for a Diesel engine, 2 or 3% CO for a gasoline engine) in the Reinhardt ‘gas chambers’ they allegedly built and used later. Stupid technical nonsense…

    Comment by hermie — January 2, 2014 @ 10:39 pm

    • When I visited the Memorial Site at Hartheim Castle, several years ago, the Museum there was telling that the victims were photographed before they were gassed. Those pictures used to be on the internet, years ago. There was also a documentary film, made by the Germans, which showed that most of the people, who were allegedly gassed, could not walk. That film is no longer shown, as far as I know. The folks at Hartheim Castle try to make visitors believe that the people, who were allegedly gassed, were only mildly retarded.

      Today, there are no living people, like the victims at Hartheim, because doctors can detect that a fetus in the womb is not normal, and the fetus is aborted.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 3, 2014 @ 7:32 am

      • According to the book “Death and Deliverance: ‘Euthanasia’ in Germany ca. 1900-1945” by Michael Burleigh, 140,000 patients died in the German asylums during WW1 because of a lack of food and care. Exactly twice the number of disabled people put to death in Aktion T4 during WW2 (even if the numbers were inflated since then with no evidence to support that claim). I wonder if people really believe that a slow death from starvation and a lack of care (WW1) was better for those unfortunate creatures than the “mercy death” implemented by the Nazis during WW2. Or are they just ignorant about these things?

        The Germans had starved during WW1 (mainly because of the Allied illegal embargo imposed on them and maintained even after the armistice!) and many of them (hundreds of thousands) had died from starvation at that time. When WW2 started, they remembered that and they knew there wouldn’t be enough food for everybody during the war. So they prefered to feed their own children than the “unnecessary mouths” of their asylums. Understandable…

        Comment by hermie — January 3, 2014 @ 10:08 pm

  3. furtherglory writes elsewhere about the Dachau, “How come Dr. Morgen didn’t find out about the gas chamber at Dachau? Dr.Morgen DID testify at the Nuremberg IMT that there was a gas chamber at the Auschwitz III camp but the SS was not responsible for it. He didn’t do anything about the alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz III (Monowitz) because it had allegedly been ordered personally by Hitler.” Could you please elaborate on Morgen’s testimony at the Nuremburg IMT that Hitler personally ordered a gas chamber built at Monowitz.

    Comment by who dares wings — January 2, 2014 @ 2:15 pm

    • I wrote at length on my website about the alleged gas chamber at Monowitz at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/MonowitzGasChamber.html

      Keep in mind that the German word for gas chamber is Gaskammer, which is the German word used for a disinfection chamber. There was probably a disinfection chamber for disinfecting the clothing at Monowitz.

      Comment by furtherglory — January 2, 2014 @ 3:43 pm

      • FG wrote: “Keep in mind that the German word for gas chamber is Gaskammer, which is the German word used for a disinfection chamber. There was probably a disinfection chamber for disinfecting the clothing at Monowitz.”

        So, according to you, the Nazis disguised their disinfection chambers as “bath installations” (Morgen’s ‘testimony’ about the Monowitz alleged gas chambers), so that the lice about to be gassed quietly entered those disinfection chambers, ignoring they were going to their death. Evil. 😉

        And why would Hitler have personally ordered the construction of disinfection chambers at Monowitz? Had he nothing else to do than washing prisoners’ clothes in the middle of the greatest war the world has ever seen? Really?

        Do you really believe the gas chambers which Morgen talked about were disinfection chambers? Are you kidding us?

        Don’t you think Morgen was simply crediting the Soviet early propaganda about Auschwitz (*) and just lied about those ‘gas chambers’ as requested by his ‘interrogators’?

        (*) When the Red Army captured Auschwitz-Birkenau, the Soviet propagandist Boris Polevoï first ‘reported’ “stationary gas chambers in the eastern part of the camp” among other grotesque things like “electric conveyor belt, on which hundreds of people were simultaneously electrocuted” and ” special transportable apparatuses for killing children” (Pravda, February 2, 1945 – http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/Pravda020245.html). Take a map and look at what you find “in the eastern part of the camp”….Monowitz. (Birkenau was on the opposite side of the camp.)

        Comment by hermie — January 4, 2014 @ 3:54 pm

        • Dr. Morgen claimed that he was beaten to encourage him to lie about Ilse Koch making lampshades from human skin, but he refused to lie.

          You wrote: “Do you really believe the gas chambers which Morgen talked about were disinfection chambers?”

          Yes, I believe that Dr. Morgen confirmed that there were Gaskammerin (gas chambers) at Monowitz. I believe that he used the word Gaskammer to refer to the disinfection chambers at Monowitz, where the clothing of the prisoners was disinfected. He was able to stop the Allies from beating him by using the word Gaskammer to mean disinfection chamber, while making the men who were torturing him believe that he meant homicidal gas chamber.

          Comment by furtherglory — January 6, 2014 @ 7:50 am

          • I didn’t deny there were maybe delousing gas chambers at Monowitz. But Morgen’s words, with gas chambers camouflaged as bath installations and Hitler personally ordering the construction of those alleged gas chambers, clearly indicate IMO that Morgen was talking about homicidal gas chambers as wanted by his interrogators. The fact he refused to lie about Ilse Koch doesn’t imply he also refused to lie for other things. Every man has his own limits.

            Comment by hermie — January 8, 2014 @ 7:24 am


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