My 1998 photo of the entrance into former Treblinka camp, which was way out in the boondocks in what is now the country of Poland
Today, I am responding to a comment, about the Treblinka camp, made by a reader of my blog. At the very end of this reader’s comment was this sentence:
“Please gentleman a little common sense here!”
O.K. I am going to attempt to provide a little common sense, so bear with me.
Franz Suchomel was a junior SS guard at Treblinka
This quote is from Wikipedia:
Franz Suchomel (3 December 1907 – 18 December 1979)[1] was a Sudeten German Nazi and Unterscharführer (junior sergeant) in the SS. During World War II he participated in the Action T4 euthanasia program, in Operation Reinhard, and the Einsatzgruppen actions in the Adriatic operational zone. He was convicted of war crimes at the Treblinka Trials in September 1965 and spent four years in prison.
The comment, to which I am responding on my blog, was about the confession of Franz Suchomel, a low level SS guard at the Treblinka camp, who gave an interview for Claude Lanzman’s documentary entitled Shoah.
Franz Suchomel was convicted in a trial, conducted by the German government in 1965, twenty years after the end of World War II.
According to Wikipedia, “Suchomel was convicted of accessory to murder and sentenced to six years in jail.[4] Suchomel was released from prison on 20 December 1967.[1]”
Was there a war crime, called “accessory to murder” during World War II? No, but there was an ex-post-facto law, called “common design” or “common plan” which was used during the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal. According to this ex-post-facto law, if you were anywhere near a Nazi concentration camp, you were guilty of a crime. The law of “common plan” was also used by the American Military Tribunal in the war crimes trials conducted at Dachau after World War II.
This quote is from the comment made by the reader of my blog:
[Franz Suchomel] An Officer of the SS, who was already tried and convicted for his duty at Treblinka (so to speak), who served time – would never-the-less give an interview with a private individual (e.g. non governmental/non-police) [Claude Lanzman] who was advancing a record that was totally untrue (e.g. Treblinka was a death camp); whereby this individual would then make up extremely specific details related to the operation of the [Treblinka] camp as he remembered them in the capacity as a Jr. SS Officer.
Think about it (assuming your assumption), you [Suchomel] just spent 4 years of your life in a jail for a crime that simply did not exist, so you get out of jail, and then 8 or 9 years later as an old man you decide, heck let me speak to this French Jew [Lanzman] and tell him all the details about a death camp operation that I was convicted for, served time for being involved in the operation, but [it] really never happened. Most people who get accused of something they didn’t do, don’t go around making up stories about what they witnessed at the event that never happened.
Even if the trial (where the decisions were handed out by non-Jewish Germans- not Americans), you would think that Mr. Suchomel or one of the co-defendants would have gotten up and said, what the h** are you talking about there was no Treblinka death camp! If there was no camp you would think that some of the individuals would have used the defense, there was no such camp. No the defenses in most of the trials is that yes it happened but I was just a soldier following orders…. I wasn’t in charge… someone else who was in charge (a point Mr. Suchomel gets defensive about during his interview [with Lanzman], when he reminds the interviewer that the interview is not about him but about what he saw [at Treblinka].)
So why DID Franz Suchomel give an interview to Claude Lanzman? Take a look at his photo at the top of my blog post. Franz looks like a simple man, and a man who would not hurt a fly. He was trying to be polite, when he was asked by Lanzman to give an interview.
Note that Wikipedia mentions that Suchomel was a Sudeten German. The Sudeten Germans were originally from Austria, and they migrated to the Sudetenland in the 1500s. So he was from the same ethnic group of Germans as Hitler, Kaltenbrunner, and many other top level Nazis. This is all the more reason that he would have been loyal to the Nazi government, and not a traitor to his country.
According to the Wikipedia entry for Suchomel, “Franz Suchomel was secretly interviewed for the documentary film Shoah, directed by Claude Lanzmann and released in 1985. During the interview at a hotel in Braunau am Inn he provided details of Treblinka criminal operations.”
Notice where the SECRET interview took place: Braunau am Inn, the birthplace of Adolf Hitler. Why was the interview secret and why did it take place at Braunau am Inn, which was not the residence of Franz Suchomel?
I am using my “common sense” here to say that this sounds suspicious to me. The photo below shows that the Treblinka camp was located way out in the boondocks in what is now Poland.
Stone markers show the border of the Treblinka camp, which was formerly located in what is now the country of Poland
As for the trial of Franz Suchomel, by the German government, if he had denied, during this trial, that there was a gas chamber at Treblinka, he would have been convicted of the crime of “Holocaust denial” under the laws of post-war Germany.
There was no defense against the ex-post-facto law known as “common plan.” Suchomel could not deny that he was at Treblinka, and if he was there, he was guilty of a war crime, according to the ex-post-facto laws made up the Allies.
Memorial stones of basalt recreate pits where 900,000 bodies were burned at the Treblinka camp
This interesting quote is also from Wikipedia:
“In March 1941 [Franz Suchomel] became a photographer at the Hadamar Euthanasia Centre in the Action T4 headquarters in Berlin, where he took photographs of euthanasia victims before their killing.”
Today, the euthanasia program at Hadamar is purported to be the killing of only slightly “disabled” people. Suchomel had the job of taking photos of the people who were killed, in order to show that they were severely disabled, and not able to function. These photos are no longer shown anywhere on the Internet. Now we are required to believe that the Holocaust started with the killing of people who were able to function as normal healthy people.
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I could think of many potential reasons why this man would be willing to lie.
For instance, is there any possibility that was threatened with regard to being charged with addition crimes based on new evidence?
Comment by kevin chuch — August 30, 2015 @ 1:12 pm
His crime was that he had participated in a “common design” to commit a crime. This was an ex-post-facto law, which means a law that was made up after the co-called crime was committed. He could not be charged with “additional crimes based on new evidence” because the crime of “common design” already covered any additional crimes.
Comment by furtherglory — August 30, 2015 @ 2:03 pm
From what I was able to tell from the interview with Suchomel, I do not in anyway, think he was just making up bullshit for money, Nor do I think money, was his main motive for speaking out. If he really was not aware he was being recorded, I heard him say a few things to lead me to this “You wanted history, and that is why I am talking to you, for History, Please do not be mad at me” He obviously isn’t going to know EVERYTHING about what went on at Treblinka, at one time I worked at Ford Motor Company, I knew what went on in my department, but the rest of the plant, I really would have no idea, other then second hand accounts, which, Suchomel also suggested. If he was trying to make himself an Angel, or doing it for money, or anything else, I can’t think of a reason in the Universe, why he would mention the “cesspool” of Blood, Feces, Vomit, many inches deep, in the gas chamber. If he was motivated by ANYTHING but getting the truth out for history, I can’t see him, nor anyone, mentioning something as vile as that. I am 37 years old today, but when I was 21, I was very much more, easily persuaded to do anything. Not that I did, but I certainly probably could have, under certain conditions. He did not strike me as someone who loved slaughtering human beings, He seemed to have respected the SS officers that forbade the sinceless beatings, and talking about the most descent, of monsters in Treblinka, in a favorable way, Stating he couldn’t see a particular officer making rules to check the vaginas of jewish women for hidden wealth, but whom he DID think would do such a thing, he gave his opinion on exactly who WOULD do something like that. This entire situation really fkn sucks. There are many types of ethnic peoples on the Earth, and there are going to be prejudices of all of them, blacks, greeks hate turks, but, I really can not for the life of me, figure out WHY, jews would be so hated… I can not figure out what if anything, offensive they have ever done to anyone.. Hitler blamed jews for WWI, Kaiser William was running Germany, He was not a Jew, Ludendorph, he tried to put in power, Hindenburgh, not a jew, The Red Baron, not a jew.. Every top name, Top rank, were not jews. I don’t get it. I really really really don’t get it. And the fact, that Jews still have to put up with so much hate and bullshit, is even worse. They have 911 types of things happen to them every 3rd Tuesday. If even a small % of what Israel puts up with, Happened to us in America, The middle East would be a Glass Parking Lot. So not only are they hated, attacked, insulted, They are handling it ways that blows me away. Yes, they defend themselves, but to keep any kind of normal life going, when every single country around you, wants you exterminated or removed, like the NAZIs, I think it shows a lot of aspects, of how strong, and how smart, jews are. Jews do not “EXPECT” ANYTHING, in the United States.. there are other peoples who do. The fact Suchomel was at Treblinka to begin with, is very very bad on him, but I really get the feeling, if I was a Jew, in Treblinka, during that time, I would want to be around Suchomel, far far more, then the super sinister haters, And the fact that he was there, prevented someone purely evil for tormenting them even more, does that make him right, God no. There’s nothing right about any of this at all. I got in trouble as a youth, and when I was in Juvenile, there were workers/guards Some were really good to us, some of them out right treated us kids like shit. Being in that situation, I can in a small way, Imagine myself in Treblinka, in a VERY VERY SMALL WAY.. And when you are locked up, and dictated to in a way of being locked up in my case, or in a very worse way, in Treblinka, the people in there, KNOW who the worst monsters are, and if they since any kind of kindness AT ALL, it will mean a lot to them, I do not hear the Witch Hunters calling for Suchomel’s throat very often. Dr. Mangola, on the other hand, should live in the sewers of hell forever. We need idealist, smart people, brave people, and strong people, to ever have any kind of real stability in this world. You can never reason with idiots.. In many ways, It seems like us as a species, has evolved, and became better recently, then in the past, but in the 20th century, more people died in war, then every single century previously put together. I truly hope in 2873, they are not having these conversations.
Comment by Steve Ray — May 20, 2015 @ 2:28 am
Franz Suchomel received 3000 Deutschmarks for appearing in the documentary SHOAH – http://codoh.com/library/document/1449 http://codoh.com/library/document/2184
Comment by Les — April 25, 2014 @ 10:14 pm
Does society allow the lunacy of yesterday to become today’s exception and tomorrow’s routine? Do we, as humans have values which transcend society? No one was as committed to saving the Jews as the Nazis were in exterminating them. What can we do about people who deny the Holocaust ever took place? We can stand up. I have had nightmares about the Holocaust since the age of 13. I am now 42. I am not from a Jewish family, nor have I been able to trace any family heritage that reflects I come from relatives that perished during the Holocaust. I look forward to reading your blogs.
My Holocaust Exhibition & Book Memoir website:
http://enigma3304.wix.com/ash-from-the-rose
Comment by Pamela L. Fiedler — March 17, 2014 @ 8:20 pm
I am honored that you have commented on my blog.
You are one smart cookie: you managed to get a link to your website in a comment. Normally, wordpress would have flagged such a comment as spam, which was intended to advertise your website.
I love your website. I wish I had your skills and knowledge. Love your writing.
However, there is one small detail which bothers me. On your website, you have a revolving cube which shows a photo of Dachau with the face of a girl who is screaming in fear. This photo is from a video which shows a naked girl, fleeing from Russian rapists near the end of World War II.
Several years ago, I blogged about the women who were liberated at Dachau: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/women-prisoners-liberated-at-dachau/
As you can see, there were no naked women running out of the Dachau camp, screaming in fear. Using this photo is disingenuous.
Comment by furtherglory — March 18, 2014 @ 8:29 am
I agree, you have a good head on your shoulders, and likely far more intelligent then I. I didn’t get much past the 8th grade, and had to teach myself about all I know. I do ALOT of studying, and Its people like you, that I try to study and learn from.
Comment by Steve Ray — May 20, 2015 @ 2:36 am
FG wrote: “I went to the camps in Poland and Germany. You can feel the ghost of a place built with terror.”
Ha ha ha ha. Very funny.
And could you feel how stupid you looked when you wrote that farcical comment? 😉
Have those ghosts told you that the 1st German concentrations camps like Dachau were built on Presidential Order, when Hindenburg was President and Hitler only Chancellor? Yes, the Nazis didn’t instigate the building of the 1st German concentration camps.
“Those who endanger human life by their opposition will be sentenced to penal servitude” – Hindenburg’s Presidential Order, Reichsgesetzblatt Nr. 17 (Legal Bulletin of the Reich No. 17), February 28, 1933
Comment by hermie — February 26, 2014 @ 3:35 am
Oops. Sorry for my mistake. It was of course “JohnCoyote wrote”, not “FG wrote”.
Comment by hermie — February 26, 2014 @ 3:39 am
Hey Foodforwhatever, you seem to be an expert on holocaust testimony, what about this woman?
I’d love to hear your response
I give you the legendary Irene Zisblatt:-
Comment by DB — February 26, 2014 @ 2:03 am
I prefer to comment on Nazis testimony, far better source of information, as those individuals were far more aware of the procedures and had not experienced as much trauma. On the Jewish side, I can provide the following: There were 3.3 million Polish Jews before the Nazis invaded Poland and about 300,000 alive after Hitlers Resettlement program. Irene’s testimony, exaggerated or not, does not change this fact!
Comment by Foodforthoughtbythat"zionist"guy — February 26, 2014 @ 7:25 am
So no comment then hahahaha what a surprise.
Why German testimony, they’re more reliable than lying jews?
Comment by DB — February 26, 2014 @ 8:27 am
Food…wrote: “There were 3.3 million Polish Jews before the Nazis invaded Poland and about 300,000 alive after Hitlers Resettlement program. Irene’s testimony, exaggerated or not, does not change this fact!”
Fact for you. 3 million missing Polish Jews according to your numbers….but 800,000 according to the official number given in 1961, during the Eichmann ‘trial’ (see here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/picture.php?albumid=2519&pictureid=26758). An inflation of 2.2 million allegedly missing Polish Jews in 6 decades! Waw. What happened? ‘Facts’ not as factual as claimed after all.
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
Anyway, is anyone supposed to believe that the millennial Wandering Jew stopped wandering before, during and after WW2, as if by magic? Is anyone supposed to be gullible enough to believe many displaced Polish Jews chose to go back to secularly very antisemitic Poland when they got other opportunities?
Comment by hermie — February 27, 2014 @ 1:52 am
Furtherglory wrote: “Franz Suchomel was convicted in a trial, conducted by the German government in 1965, twenty years after the end of World War II. According to Wikipedia, “Suchomel was convicted of accessory to murder and sentenced to six years in jail. Suchomel was released from prison on 20 December 1967.“
Foodforzionistmyth wrote: “Think about it (assuming your assumption), you [Suchomel] just spent 4 years of your life in a jail”
I thought 1967 minus 1965 was 2, not 4.
A 6-year sentence (a pretty sweet penalty for a conviction of accesory to mass murder) and only 2 years in jail, the usual gift for the alleged “Holocaust perpetrators” singing the required holo-song in a ‘court’. It seems Lanzmann had just found his man after all… 😉
If I go to America with – let’s say – 25,000 dollars, is anybody certain that I won’t find a corrupt (or disappointed) vet agreeing to ‘testify’ in front of a camera that Uncle Sam gassed Muslims to death at Guantanamo?
Comment by hermie — February 25, 2014 @ 7:45 pm
Not sure your correct about the two years… he was arrested in 1963 and released in 1967, not sure if he was a free man while his arrest, So if you take the arrest (e.g. time served) 4 years is correct, if he was a free man during his trial, then its 2.3 years, if not then 4 years+. I have also seen conflicting information (e.g. he was freed in 1969, I think 1967 is correct and that 1969 would have been his full term which would include time served during trial)…. not relevant to the main point, if I spend 24 hours in jail for something I didn’t do I would not be granting interviews and saying something that would provide UNNECESSARY credibility, almost 10 years later. There was nothing in this for Mr.Suchomel, he was out of jail, did his time, not on trial and in poor health, heck harden Nazi in poor health were freed from prison in the remaining years. Suchonel had absolutely nothing to gain here (other than perhaps $1,200 for his time), except…. perhaps his conscience. For if Mr. Suchomel was telling the truth, and nearing the end of his life, perhaps he was trying to reconcile his guilt….I challenged you Hermnie… go find his family and find out if they think he’s telling the truth or lying?
Problem you have Hermie is that your glorious assumptions come crashing down if Mr. Suchomel is in fact telling the truth. Your argument to the contrary is quite weak… YOU CAN’T COME UP WITH A PLAUSIBLE REASON AS TO why would Suchomel go out and say all these things, WITH SUCH ATTENTION TO DETAIL, and just a few years before he died.
If you read Mr. Suchomel’s testimony (look it up) he discusses his jobs at the camp, he also discusses various individuals at the camps, defends some and implicates the more sadistic ones.He also discusses his jobs (I was not involved with the planning or the murder part of the operation). He also provides some very specific details, like the officers that were injured, his leave time, etc… Pretty specific stuff, certainly does not like sound like show trial admissions.
Comment by Foodforthoughtbythat"zionist"guy — February 26, 2014 @ 7:17 am
Food…wrote: “Suchonel had absolutely nothing to gain here (other than perhaps $1,200 for his time), except…. perhaps his conscience. For if Mr. Suchomel was telling the truth, and nearing the end of his life, perhaps he was trying to reconcile his guilt….I challenged you Hermnie… go find his family and find out if they think he’s telling the truth or lying?”
You say “his conscience”. I say money, his 15 minutes of fame (more than that in fact, as he probably knew his statement would give him a long lasting fame), some light on him, the desire to be part of History, mental disorders, or who knows what other motive(s). I’m not a psychologist. I don’t care about about Suchomel’s real motive(s). That doesn’t change anything to the fact of testimonies being just words put together with no probative value in themselves. Don’t tell me you’ve never met or known anybody always telling incredible stories (patent lies) only for people to look at him. I have. And not only once or twice. There exists many people like that, telling anything just to get some attention and feel they exist a little bit.
And for info, 3,000 deutschmarks in 1980 (as Lanzmann took years to make his movie, I arbitrarily chose the year 1980) would make something like 6,000 to 12,000 US dollars today (3,000 DEM –> 2,105.40 USD; 2,105 USD in 1980 –> 5,870 – 11,900 USD in 2012 – http://coinmill.com/DEM_USD.html#DEM=3000 ; http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/relativevalue.php), not $1,200. Starts to get interesting?
And if money didn’t matter, why did Lanzmann made all his German actors (‘witnesses’ in your words) sign a paper telling they wouldn’t publically talk about that payment during the 30 years to come? Did Lanzmann often make people sign papers about unimportant things?
Food…wrote: “I challenged you Hermnie… go find his family and find out if they think he’s telling the truth or lying?”
So you don’t have any proof that he was telling the truth? Nice admission you only have words from a man who could as well have ‘confessed’ that the Jews were sent from Treblinka to Mars and then killed with uranium.
Food…wrote: “Problem you have Hermie is that your glorious assumptions come crashing down if Mr. Suchomel is in fact telling the truth.”
The same for you if he was lying.
Food…wrote: “Your argument to the contrary is quite weak… YOU CAN’T COME UP WITH A PLAUSIBLE REASON AS TO why would Suchomel go out and say all these things”
Everybody is not able to find great plausible reasons as “he said that for his conscience”. Sorry. 😉
Food…wrote: “WITH SUCH ATTENTION TO DETAIL”
Not more details than in most ‘testimonies’ about alien abductions, the existence of elves and trolls or Virgin Mary’s apparitions. Did you know that some alleged Witches could even give details about the Devil’s genitals (as they supposedly had had sex with him) in the ‘trials’ of the past? According to them, the Devil had a very long scaly penis and icy cold semen. Waw. So detailed… 😉
Comment by hermie — February 27, 2014 @ 1:28 am
Foodforthought, where are you? Had indigestion? A surfeit of food for your thought on that one? 😉
Comment by hermie — February 28, 2014 @ 6:35 pm
Well thank you for responding to my earlier response. But once again this is very weak, persuasively speaking. First of all your response does not address why Mr. Suchomel would grant such an interview post trial, and near then end of his life to boot. You quoted my response, but you do not do a very job of refuting.
Your response:
“So why DID Franz Suchomel give an interview to Claude Lanzman? Take a look at his photo at the top of my blog post. Franz looks like a simple man, and a man who would not hurt a fly. He was trying to be polite, when he was asked by Lanzman to give an interview.”
Your second and perhaps slightly more convincing statement
“According to the Wikipedia entry for Suchomel, “Franz Suchomel was secretly interviewed for the documentary film Shoah, directed by Claude Lanzmann and released in 1985. During the interview at a hotel in Braunau am Inn he provided details of Treblinka criminal operations.”
Never mind the conjecture “Franz looks like a simple man, and a man who would not hurt a fly…”…Many psychopaths are simple men who do not look like the kind of people who would hurt a fly”
Q. Did you ever believe your [neighbor] was a psychopath killer?
A. No, this is a shock to everyone in the community, [Killer] was a quiet man and very polite, we would never have guessed it.
Look, I was not at the trial, have not reviewed the evidence against Mr. Suchomel, so for all we know he may have been a very minor player in all this. Certainly he was able to convince the court that he was. If he was only a minor player, then his relatively minor 4 year sentence was appropriate (and dare I say maybe harsh), but that’s not relevant to our discussion (although you dedicated a good amount of your response to that), what is relevant is very simple – Is this “simple man…who would not hurt a fly”, lying or telling the truth?
OK so then you continue but it was “secret” location sounds fishy to me. Secret location, was there a gun held to his head at that secret location? I mean come on, so he is at a secret location, and because of this the secret location is going to make him lie? Did the questions and answers sound like an exchange that was parsed. Perhaps there was a text in front of him, and he just read from it…didn’t sound that way but …I’m sure there is some denier explanation…but as one man to another this is really weak.
If Suchomel is a liar, you need a lot more than what you provided to be even vaguely persuasive- if he is telling the truth pretty much everything you write on this subject is rubbish. Its an either or question. Suchomel is telling the truth or he is lying.
I suggest you see the interview AND read the entire transcript, and if YOU are convinced he is telling the truth, you might want to consider pulling this silly blog because what Mr. Suchomel provided, and the matter of fact way he provided it is well pretty harsh rebut to your cause; that is if you are a human being with any regard for human life. For all I know you might actually support the extermination of Jews (at least the ones alive today), after all its clear you don’t like them much…Food for thought – how many inventions have you used that were created by Jews…it might depress you…ok that has nothing to do with the response.
In your journey to find the truth, let me make a suggestion next time you visit Treblinka you might want to search this guys family and see if they believe he was lying during the interview. Be curious to hear what his relatives think? I don’t know them, so I can’t say.
You yourself write in a very sympathetic manner towards Mr. Suchomel, so perhaps his Sudetland family will provide you with information you need.
“Note that Wikipedia mentions that Suchomel was a Sudeten German. The Sudeten Germans were originally from Austria, and they migrated to the Sudetenland in the 1500s. So he was from the same ethnic group of Germans as Hitler, Kaltenbrunner, and many other top level Nazis. This is all the more reason that he would have been loyal to the Nazi government, and not a traitor to his country.”
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f figured and was frankl surprised that you didn’t bring up what other deniers have that he was paid to say what he said. Apparently the denier group found that 3,000 DEM at the time about $1,200 in 1976, was some massive figure that would persuade a man in his later years to come out and absolutely rip apart his generation. Gosh, for expert litigation work, even if you adjust for 1976 dollars, I would make that in about 3 hours.
The issue, you as the blogger need to consider – Is Mr. Suchomel a liar or a man telling the truth? Because for you to be correct you are going to have to rip Mr. Suchomel’s testimony pretty hard. Not a defense that can be summarized as follows: Suchomel was really a nice old man who did it for $1,200 bucks in a secret location.
Of course you might also consider some of the more collaborating evidence. Specifically, where 3.0 million out of 3.3 million Jews who lived in Poland before the second world war end up in 1945, that question might be a challenge given your disposition to deny the events of the holocaust, but the denier/revisionist movement is quite creative.
Hoping your eyes will be open to the truth, not counting on it, but the day I see this site go the way of the dodo (and not by legal means BUT BY YOUR OWN ACCORD), I will celebrate that humanity has a chance, the truth is something we have to discover on our own.
Comment by Foodforthought — February 25, 2014 @ 1:53 pm
Foodforthought wrote;-
‘ ….you might want to search this guys family and see if they believe he was lying during the interview. Be curious to hear what his relatives think?’
Officially he wouldn’t be able to tell his family the truth or he’d be put in prison for telling the real truth, which differs from the ‘official’ truth.
And of course, by the same logic, his family wouldn’t be able to tell you the truth or else they’d be put in prison.
Put in prison – think about it. Is there any other ‘historical’ event where you get put in prison for having an alternative view?
Comment by DB — February 26, 2014 @ 1:14 am
I went to the camps in Poland and Germany. You can feel the ghost of a place built with terror. WW2 had many bad men. People forgot what was done at the same time for the friends of Hitler.
Comment by johncoyote — February 25, 2014 @ 10:35 am
I’ve been to many camps as well.
I’ve never felt being so ripped-off in all my life
Comment by DB — February 25, 2014 @ 10:44 am
Would you maintain places of embarrassment? Some governments used the war to rid the nations of the people with wealth and they did.
Comment by johncoyote — February 25, 2014 @ 10:56 am
And some of the people with wealth, ie the Rothschilds, like wars, because they can loan money to governments at exorbitant interest rates.
But please don’t forget the mostly poor working class people who die in order to make these rich parasites richer
Comment by DB — February 25, 2014 @ 11:03 am
It is the same today. Poor had worked for the rich since the beginning of time. Will it change? I doubt it. But erasing a race of people is wrong.
Comment by johncoyote — February 25, 2014 @ 11:35 am
What “race of people” has been erased? Are the Jews a race? School children in America are taught that “race is a social construct.” http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/what-we-mean-when-we-say-race-is-a-social-construct/275872/
The Jews have not been erased. There are 6 million Jews in America and another 6 million in Israel. There are millions more Jews in other countries all over the world.
You should have said that “attempting to erase a race of people is wrong.”
Comment by furtherglory — February 25, 2014 @ 12:04 pm
You are right. No excuse for attempting to erase a race of people. Who would of been next? Hitler did the handicap first, Jews and Gypsies second. We must teach the children well. Hate lead to no-where. I’m half Ojibwa. White people tried to erase my people once. Killed off great tribes. Forced them to go to the white man school and not use their language. Was it right? No. I pray we stop the killing before we are living in a Mad Max world where one day man will become instinct because of his stupidity. I have no real answers for the Germans and the USA. Maybe men are mad dogs. Only a bullet can show him peace?
Comment by johncoyote — February 25, 2014 @ 12:15 pm
You wrote: “Hitler did the handicap first.”
At the very end of my blog post about Suchomel and Treblinka, I mentioned that he had been assigned to take photos of the “handicapped” before they were killed, because the Nazis wanted to show that these people were far beyond “handicapped.”
The people who were killed had been sent, by their relatives, to a government facility to be taken care of. Any mildly handicapped children in Germany were kept at home and taken care of by their parents.
Today, doctors are able to detect deformed children in the womb, before they are born, and these babies are aborted. This didn’t exist in the 1940s.
Comment by furtherglory — February 25, 2014 @ 12:56 pm
Murder is murder. I pray for the days when our kids don’t have to die for hate. No ending to this conversation. I saw war and lost many good friends for oil and land. I’m tire of war. My child can fight in these new wars of hate/religion and separation. I’m just tire. Thank you for the conversation. I spend four years in Germany. Few understand the reasons for war. Today it is oil and control. Tomorrow something different. My wise Grandmother taught me. “I don’t hate the white man. Hate will kill you but I won’t forget.”
Comment by johncoyote — February 25, 2014 @ 1:04 pm