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April 13, 2014

Dr. Michael Shermer says “convergence of evidence” is proof of the Holocaust

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 1:33 pm

One of my regular readers put up a link to a You Tube video, which shows a debate between Dr. Mark Weber, a Holocaust revisionist, and Dr. Michael Shermer, a Holocaust True Believer.  Scroll down, if you can’t wait to see the video. The link to the video is at the bottom of my blog post.

Before Dr. Weber’s speech, there is a long list of his credentials given. I did not know, until now, that Mark Weber is so educated and knowledgeable about World War II history and the Holocaust.  I heard him speak, several years ago, and was not impressed.  Now, I realize that he is a very good speaker and he knows his stuff.

I only noticed one tiny mistake: Dr. Weber mentioned that Anne Frank’s father had typhus at Auschwitz and that he was put into a hospital to be treated for typhus.

Actually, Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, stayed for three months in a hospital at Auschwitz because he was suffering from exhaustion. Otto Frank had himself voluntarily checked into the hospital, by a Dutch doctor, who was an inmate himself. (Source: the Anne Frank Museum)

One thing, that Dr. Mark Weber mentioned in his speech, is the story of Holocaust survivor Regina Bialek. He told about her Holocaust story to illustrate that the stories told by Holocaust survivors are unbelievable.

I wrote about Regina Bialek in this blog  post:

In his speech, Dr. Weber pointed out an article, which was published by the ADL in 1978, and revised in 1985.  In this article, it was stated that 2 million people were STEAMED TO DEATH at Treblinka, and that Jews were electrocuted at Belzec.  The famous photo of a disinfection chamber, taken at Dachau, was shown in the publication, and claimed, as late as 1985, to be a homicidal gas chamber.  Dr. Weber was pointing out that the official Holocaust story is very lame, and that it is downright preposterous.

Dr. Mark Weber’s speech ends at 33.50 minutes into the video, and Dr. Michael Shermer begins his speech.

Dr. Shermer begins by saying that the preserved camps are like cemeteries. Holocaust believers go there to pay their respect to the dead, not to find proof of the gas chambers. He says that there isn’t “one proof of the gas chamber.” Then he says that he does not understand why revisionists complain about what the True Believers say. Dr. Shermer believes in the “conversion of evidence.”

I am familiar with the expression “conversion of evidence,” but until now,  I didn’t understand what it means.  According to Dr. Shermer, it means that you can find similarities in the words of Hans Frank, Dr. Josef Goebbels, and the words of Heinrich Himmler in his Posen speech. Later on, Dr. Shermer quotes from the Posen speech, but cuts off the speech before the end. God forbid, he should quote the whole speech.

Dr. Shermer also mentions that the term “conversion of evidence” is illustrated by the fact that Pery Broad, Rudolf Hoess and Johan Paul Kramer used the same language in their Holocaust testimony.  For example, the words “special action,” and “bunker” and “cottage in the woods.”  This “coordination of testimonies” proves the Holocaust, according to Dr. Shermer.

Pery Broad was an SS man who worked in the Gestapo office next door to the gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp. Broad wrote a report, after he was captured by the British, in which he described how the gas pellets were poured into the Krema I gas chamber: “… the covers had been removed from the six holes in the ceiling…”  Today, the reconstructed gas chamber in the main camp (Krema I) has four holes.

Rudolf Hoess was the Commandant of the Auschwitz camp. It is now admitted that Hoess was tortured by the British and forced to confess to the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Johan Paul Kramer is is mentioned on this website:

I blogged about Himmler’s Posen speech at

I wrote about the speeches of Heinrich Himmler on my website at

Dr. Shermer asks if the Nazis had “the intention to kill the Jews.” Then he answers his own question by saying, “I don’t think so.” He points out that Hitler “never gave an order” to kill the Jews.  He explains that “the Holocaust evolved.”  He says that “it doesn’t matter” what the Nazis intended.

Dr. Shermer quotes Robert Jan van Pelt, who wrote that the Auschwitz camp was “never intended to be an extermination camp.”  Auschwitz “evolved over time to an extermination camp.”

Sorry to be so critical, but I think that Dr. Michael Shermer is doing more harm than good, as far as the Holocaust religion is concerned. He should not have attempted to debate Dr. Mark Weber.  He should keep his nutty ideas to himself.






  1. I’ve just watched a documentary about the Yeti and there was a Canadian billionaire in it who said that he had proven the existence of the Bigfoot with “a convergence of evidence”. I don’t know if that guy is a relative of the professional clowns Robert Van Pelt and Mickaël Shermer or not. 😉

    Comment by hermie — April 16, 2014 @ 7:55 pm

  2. In my opinion the main error in these debates is to consider the SHOAH – Holocaust – apart from General History of Europe, Middle East and even North Africa, Nor the challenge of USA against its former colonial master Great Britain is mentioned. The unfortunate fact that the sage advise, in 1916, of Pope Benedict XV to reach a reasonanle peace ad been followed. While Woodrow Wilson became the second time President in 1916 assuring not to involve USA in WWI he, with pretext, sent the troops in Europe and at Versailles – being the bigget creditor of England and France – the Punitive Peace considering the entire German People – not only the Emperor and the Military Class – responsible. So the same political parties which wanted the peace had been compelled to impose a very hard austeriity on the popolation; a very good opportunity for Hitler and others like him. The East Euroepean States, whose indipendence had been greeted by Wilson, had great difficulties to sell their agricultural products on the impoverished markets of Germany and Austria which industrial firms could not sell on theri traditional markets. Will folllow my thesis.,

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — April 14, 2014 @ 9:52 am

    • Following N° 1: Especially in Germany, but also in Austria e Hungary, the burden of a mass of orphans, widows, invalids and disabled had been very. The idea of euthanasia of heavy disabled – when permitted by law – gained some support in the tventies. Men returnig from four year battefront had often acquired a brutal attitude, So the propaganda of hatred, violence and revanchism gained more and more followers. The WEIMAR CONSTITUTION had been a model of high ideals but the REICHSTAG debates resulted to caotic, the single regions had quarrels witht the Reich and with Prussia the largest of all. So in 1930 when thanks to the Wall Street disaster due to the inability of USA Authorities to controll Stock Exchange in Germany and many other european states strong economic policies had been needed. In 1927 Austria submitted the proposal of an economic cooperation treaty with the so called “successor states”. The veto of the Czechoslovachian Foreing Minister, Edward Benes (a fool) made this reasonable project impossible. The proposal of a special cooperration treaty between Germany and Austria submitted in 1930 failed because of the veto of France. In Poland the government of former officier resulted unable even to see the heavy economic problems and the nationalist-clerical party asked for the transfer of a milion Jews to Madagaskar, an idea launched in 1875, or so, by the Gernan Antisenite Paul de Laguarde-Paul Boeticker who advocated to enlarge the German Reich toward Poland and spocke of an large European Zone under German comand. An idea later developped as the VITAL SPACE OF GERMAN PEOPLE – LEBENSRAUM DES DEUTSCHEN VOLKES. – Will follow my thesis.

      Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — April 16, 2014 @ 10:52 am

    • “the Punitive Peace considering the entire German People – not only the Emperor and the Military Class – responsible”

      The German Emperor and Military Class were not responsible for the outbreak of WW1. Russian documents (released by Bolshevists who had good reasons to show that WW1 was the Tsar’s fault) and Serbian telegrams clearly revealed that WW1 was the result of a Pan-Slavist plot intended to dismantle the Austro-Hungarian empire and incorporate some of its dislocated pieces into the Russian sphere of influence accordingly to a supposed Slavic brotherhood. Serbia needed Russia’s power in order to create Greater Serbia and Russia neeeded Serbia in order to start a war on the Austro-Hungarian empire and enlarge her sphere of influence.

      The version blaming WW1 on the German Emperor and people is just a victors’ story, a laughable fable…

      Comment by hermie — April 16, 2014 @ 7:44 pm

  3. Since when does Mark Weber have a doctorate in anything?

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — April 13, 2014 @ 8:33 pm

    • Doesn’t Mark Weber have a doctorate in infiltration and neutralization of the IHR? 😉

      Comment by hermie — April 16, 2014 @ 7:47 pm

  4. Anybody who follows SKEPTIC magazine editor-in-chief and science journalist Dr. Michael Shermer soon realizes that he’s not really skeptical about any hot button issues like the Holocaust or 911 etc. He’s a faux skeptic which is why he’s all over the main stream media and someone like Mark Weber is not. He’s doing more good than harm for the international horror cult of Holocaustiany because that’s his job. He’s a genuine critical thinker about as much as Bill Nye the Science Guy is a scientist.

    Comment by who+dares+wings — April 13, 2014 @ 3:14 pm

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