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April 30, 2014

Have the Jews kicked Martin Zaidenstadt to the curb?

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 1:01 pm

I have been searching my fingers to the bone, but I cannot find any recent news on the Internet about Martin Zaidenstadt, the Jew who pan-handled at the Dachau Memorial Site for many years. Zaidenstadt claimed that he had been a prisoner at Dachau for three years; he told the tourists all about the Dachau gas chamber, which he had somehow escaped during his three years of confinement.

My 1997 photo of Martin Zaidenstadt

My 1997 photo of Martin Zaidenstadt

There is currently only one Internet article about Zaidenstadt, which was written by Mark Weber on the IHR website, at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p60_Weber.html

This quote is from the article written by Mark Weber several years ago:

Each year many thousands of tourists visit the site of the notorious Dachau concentration camp in southern Germany, not far from Munich. They see the crematory, the memorial shrines, and the museum. And in recent years, as an almost daily fixture, they see Martin Zaidenstadt. This elderly Jewish man lectures visitors to Dachau on his experiences as a wartime prisoner there. He is particularly passionate about the horrors of the camp’s gas chamber where, he explains, many prisoners were put to death with poison gas. He even claims that this gas chamber served as a model for Auschwitz (New York Times, Oct. 26, 1997). Zaidenstadt’s listeners respond to his heart-rending testimony with unquestioning sympathy. Many reach generously into their wallets.

I recall that, for many years, there were numerous photos of Zaidenstadt on the Internet; these photos have now disappeared. His favorite place to pose was at the statue of the unknown prisoner; Zaidenstadt claimed that he had posed for this statue.

Statue of the Unknown Prisoner at Dachau

Statue of the Unknown Prisoner at Dachau

I previously blogged about Martin Zaidenstadt at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/martin-zaidenstadt-the-fake-holocaust-survivor-who-pan-handled-at-dachau/

Has Martin Zaidenstadt become an embarrassment to the Jews? His name has been completely removed from search results, and I cannot find anything on him any more, except on my own website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauSurvivor.html

If Zaidenstadt is still alive, he is now 103 years old, but I have been unable to find anything on the Internet about his death.

When I visited the town of Dachau, several years ago, I was told by a Dachau resident, that the house in the photo below was where Martin Zaidenstadt lived in luxury when he was not out pan-handling at the Dachau Memorial Site.

House in the town of Dachau where Zaidenstadt allegedly lived

Courtyard of the house in the town of Dachau where Martin Zaidenstadt allegedly lived

21 Comments »

  1. Mr Stolpmann! I feel that Benjamin Murmelstein is considered guilty for 1. Having survived, 2. Having managed in some way to let survive the Terezin Ghetto. At May 5 1945 the Red Crioss took over about 17.500 suruvived Ghetto inmates and found there a shelte for some thousand death march survivors. 3. Having given evidence about things so to the Soviet Military Commando, the People Court of Litomerice. in his book pubblished at last in 2013 and in the inteviewa given to Landzmann – the film the LAST UNJUST and to Prof. L.H.Ehrlich wich will be pubblished, at last, next year by his son Stefan Carl of Toronto University. I myself am very guilty for 1. Defending the good name of my Father – “Honor Your Father and Mother” so as all the Jewish leaders death as Martyrs withount anyone able to defend their memory. 2. Making my best efforts to study the SHOAH history in the context of General History. About Your statement that I lived fairly secure etc. I will not waste time. Greetings.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — May 1, 2014 @ 11:43 pm

  2. Wolf Murmelstein wrote: ““ALLE JUDEN ZU KOCH LUBLIN” – Send all jews to Koch at Lublin which meant the Treblinka, Sobibor and Majdanek Camps.”

    Fortunately we have Jews to translate the alleged code words used by the Nazis. What would we be without their “lights” (Nazi code word for hallucinations and delirious interpretations)?😉

    Karl Otto Koch was a camp commandant at Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Majdanek. “Send all Jews to Koch at Lublin” meant “send them to Majdanek”. Nothing else.

    Comment by hermie — April 30, 2014 @ 5:24 pm

  3. Jews aren’t just kicking Martin Zaidenstadt to the curb some are giving the whole Holocaust a good swift kick in the pants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flfUvPyLVZI

    Comment by who+dares+wings — April 30, 2014 @ 2:38 pm

  4. The main question is in what period and for what “reason” Jews stood at Dachau, Buchenwald, etc. Indeed, as recorded by Kogon, at a certain moment order came “ALLE JUDEN ZU KOCH LUBLIN” – Send all jews to Koch at Lublin which meant the Treblinka, Sobibor and Majdanek Camps. I will look better and thank for further information

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — April 30, 2014 @ 1:15 pm

    • Dr. Murmelstein
      I might be able to answer some of your questions, you claim to be a survivor of the Holocaust, yet you lived a fairly secure and sheltered live as a youth in Theresienstadt, your father being on the board of the Judenrat:
      In Majdanek registered prisoners died as a result of the disastrous living conditions and intentional killings or organized mass murder. In addition, people were brought solely for the purpose of immediate executions into the camp , especially Jews from the ghetto of Lublin and Poland, out of the jail in Lublin Castle .
      The murder of prisoners was done in different ways .They often died under the blows of the truncheon-baton from function prisoners and SS men, or were killed by lethal injection . In 1942, prisoners were often hanged in the crematorium or in the neighbouring morgue. Killings on a larger scale , however, were held by shootings and gassings. As far as shootings is concerned, these were almost permanently carried out during the entire existence of the camp. However, during the operation of the gas chambers ( September 1942 to early September 1943) they were held only sporadically. The first time this type of killing was done at the end of 1941 on typhus-ill Soviet prisoners of war, part of them were shot by the SS on camp grounds , the others in the nearby Krepieki forest. The shooting of Soviet prisoners of war was continued in 1942 to a lesser extent . One of the greatest actions of this kind was the murder of about 50 prisoners of war in retaliation after a successful escape of their comrades on 15 July 1942.
      Between June and September 1942, several thousand sick , mostly Slovak Jews were shot in Krepiecki forest that had been selected in the Revier (Hospital) of the camp. A German prisoner who was in that Infirmary in August and September 1942 , witnessed such a selection : “While I lay there once, seriously ill people , you can say half-dead and dead people , were loaded onto a truck and taken down into a wooded area, shot and be buried there . From hearsay , I know, that this happened at that time repeatedly”.
      A year later, the shootings of prisoners was further reinforced . On September 21, 1943, the SS kills 23 members of the Sonderkommando , which had been active in the gas chambers and the crematorium . This execution made to a ​​certain extent the prelude to ” Operation Harvest Festival ” , the mass shootings of Jews, November 3rd 1943 under “Aktion Erntefest”
      PS: Koch was one of four Camp Commanders in Majdanek from 1941-1942 and transferred to Buchenwald, were he was tried for embezzlement and stealing from dead Jews, found guilty and shot by orders of Himmler.

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — May 1, 2014 @ 3:00 am

      • You wrote: “…people were brought solely for the purpose of immediate executions into the camp , especially Jews from the ghetto of Lublin and Poland, out of the jail in Lublin Castle.”

        You seem to think that the Germans were supposed to fight a war, but not kill anyone. The war in Poland ended after only 5 or 6 weeks, although the Poles never formally surrendered. The Poles continued to fight as illegal combatants to the end. If captured, they were LEGALLY killed. The “jail in Lublin Castle” was a “Gestapo prison” for Poles who were fighting as illegal combatants. They were taken to the Majdanek camp and legally EXECUTED, not murdered.

        I visited the former Majdanek camp in 1998, and I got the impression that the prisoners had not been living in “disastrous living conditions.” One thing that I have said many times is that people all over the world were living in terrible conditions in the 1930ies and 1940ies. You can’t expect to have excellent living conditions during a war.

        Comment by furtherglory — May 1, 2014 @ 6:48 am

        • FG.
          Although I did write the comments as quoted, the contents of the text is published in “Der Ort des Terrors’, Volume 7, page 51, which I translated from German into English. The Author and Researcher is Tomasz Kranz. My translation was verified and found to be correct. The German version reads: “Die Ermordung (murder) von Häftlingen geschah auf verschiedene Art und Weise.”. It is not a matter what I think, it is what people who are now proclaiming, how crimes were alleged to be committed by these mean Nazis.

          Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — May 1, 2014 @ 4:49 pm

      • You wrote:-
        “PS: Koch was one of four Camp Commanders in Majdanek from 1941-1942 and transferred to Buchenwald, were he was tried for embezzlement and stealing from dead Jews, found guilty and shot by orders of Himmler.”

        Really?

        But “organized mass murder” was ok, was it? He would never be reprimanded for that?

        Comment by DB — May 1, 2014 @ 6:56 am

        • I studied the case of Dr. Konrad Morgen and wrote about it on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/IlseKoch3.html

          Comment by furtherglory — May 1, 2014 @ 7:10 am

        • DB (Which stands here in NZ for Dominion Breweries)

          The first commandant of Majdanek camp, from September 1941 until August 1942, was SS- Standartenführer Karl Otto Koch. During his time he misappropriated vast amounts of valuables and money, the possessions of dead Jews. He was removed from his post, arrested, and executed by the SS. Koch was a very experienced camp commandant who had seen service in Esterwegen, Sachsenhausen and Buchenwald. Koch was succeeded by SS-Obersturmbannführer Max Kögel. He was the former commandant of Ravensbrück concentration camp. Kögel continued the brutal regime of Koch, but was only commandant from 6 August until October 1942, coinciding with a period of high mortality and the commissioning of the gas chambers.
          Majdanek’s third commandant was SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Florstedt, who had previously served with Koch at Buchenwald concentration camp. He ruled Majdanek from November 1942 until September 1943, and his tenure was marked with exceptional brutality and mass exterminations. It should be added that Florstedt also took part in the selection of prisoners who were unfit for work and were subsequently exterminated. Just like Koch, he robbed Jewish transports of jewellery, gold, and money. He was brought to account by an SS Special Court in Kassel, where Florstedt was found guilty as charged and removed from his post.
          SS- Obersturmbannführer Martin Weiss was Majdanek’s fourth commandant from November 1943 until May 1944. Conditions under Weiss improved; beatings were prohibited, the length of roll-calls reduced, and food supplies were allowed in from the outside. This was more about utilising prison labour rather than from any humanitarian considerations. These more liberal conditions were ordered only for non-Jewish prisoners, with the exception of Soviet POWs. On 18 May 1944 Weiss was replaced by the former Auschwitz Concentration Camp commandant Artur Liebehenschel, who was Majdanek’s last commandant.
          The Political Department was de facto an extension of the Civil Security Police , who received their instructions and commands , including the execution of death sentences on prisoners , from the RSHA (Reichs-Sicherheits-Haupt-Amt.
          Source: in parts- Wikipedia

          Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — May 1, 2014 @ 5:13 pm

          • All that exterminationist bullshit (“the commissioning of the gas chambers”, “the selection of prisoners who were unfit for work and were subsequently exterminated”, “exceptional brutality and mass exterminations”, etc.) is at the very least laughable with Tomasz Kranz’s new official death toll for Majdanek. It was credible (even if suspect) with the former death toll of 1.5 million, but it’s totally ridiculous with the new death toll of 78,000 (still exaggerated IMO). With typhus epidemics and a world war under way, 78,000 deaths don’t show a murderous or brutal policy for a camp of that size. Typhus killed over 3 million people in Poland alone during WW1. And no horror tales’ cartoonish Evil mass murderers were needed for that…

            Comment by hermie — May 2, 2014 @ 5:23 pm

            • Two figures of the number of Majdanek victims have usually been in use — 360,000 or 235,000. Kranz, director of the Research Department of the State Museum at Majdanek, asserts that approximately 59,000 Jews and 19,000 people of other ethnic backgrounds, mostly Poles and Byelorussians, died there. Kranz published his estimate in the latest edition of the journal Zeszyty Majdanka.
              Kranz claims to have examined all available sources, including the extant fragments of the camp death book, the death registry, the notifications of prisoner deaths that the Nazis sent to parishes in Lublin, testimony at their trial in Dusseldorf in the late 1970s and early 1980s by SS men garrisoned at Majdanek, and accounts by surviving prisoners.
              The camp at Majdanek functioned from October 1941 to July 1944. Shooting was one of the main killing methods. The largest execution took place on November 3, 1943, when 18.000 Jews were shot. Music was played to drown out the sound of the shooting and the victims’ screams. Prisoners were also gassed. Three gas chambers were in operation. Other people were beaten to death with clubs or iron crowbars — SS men killed 200 people this way during a single execution. Prisoners also died en masse from starvation, exhaustion, and sickness (Source – Józef Marszałek, Majdanek. Obóz koncentracyjny w Lublinie [Majdanek Concentration Camp in Lublin], Warsaw: Interpress, 1987).

              Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — May 2, 2014 @ 8:09 pm

              • You wrote :-

                “The largest execution took place on November 3, 1943, when 18.000 Jews were shot. Music was played to drown out the sound of the shooting and the victims’ screams. Prisoners were also gassed. Three gas chambers were in operation. Other people were beaten to death with clubs or iron crowbars — SS men killed 200 people this way during a single execution.”

                Sorry, maybe it’s just me, but that is some of the most ludicrous nonsense I have ever read

                Comment by DB — May 3, 2014 @ 4:21 am

                • I think that Mr. Stolopmann is correct in what he wrote about the execution on Nov. 3, 1953. I did a blog post on this subject at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/the-harvest-festival-at-majdanek-on-bloody-wednesday-nov-3-1943/

                  On the blog post, cited above, I quoted from a guidebook, which I purchased at the Majdanek Museum. However, the guide book does not say that the gas chambers were in operation that day, or that anyone was beaten to death.

                  The ashes under the dome at Majdanek are allegedly the ashes of the people who were shot, but I think that these ashes are from a compost pile.

                  BTW, there are houses very close to the Majdanek camp. There were peole sitting on the roof of the houses and watching the shooting.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 3, 2014 @ 6:44 am

                • I cannot accept that 18,000 people were shot at the camp in a single action.

                  Where were all these people waiting when this happened? If a shot in the head is the end-game, just try a mass escape.

                  How many soldiers carried this out?

                  How long did it take? How did they move all the dead bodies, assuming they were cremated.

                  Too preposterous I’m afraid

                  Comment by DB — May 3, 2014 @ 9:36 am

                • In 1998, after a visit to Majdanek, I wrote about the execution at Majdanek on my website at http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek06.html

                  On my website, I have a photo of Jewish prisoners marching to the execution site. Below the photo, I wrote about the execution.

                  The following quote is from that page of my website: “According to a book entitled “The forgotten Holocaust: the Poles under German Occupation,” written by Richard Lucas, the Polish resistance fighters were responsible for 6,930 damaged train engines, 732 derailed trains, 979 destroyed train cars, 38 bridges blown up, 68 aircraft destroyed, 15 factories burned down, 4,623 military vehicles destroyed, 25,125 acts of sabotage and 5,733 attacks on German troops.”

                  The Jews who were killed in this event at Majdanek were “resistance fighters” who had been captured. The Germans were afraid that they would organize an escape and continue to fight in the war as illegal combatants.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 3, 2014 @ 10:19 am

                • This is the Jewish response to a Palestinian kid’s resistance……

                  http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-27257590

                  Comment by DB — May 3, 2014 @ 10:33 am

                • DB
                  In just under nine hours around 18,000 inmates were killed : These were prisoners from Majdanek and its working commandos, inmates from the Lublin located forced labour camps, Jews who had worked at the Lipowa Sraße and Wronka road ( airfield ) . Accompanied with dance music they died under the salvos of the rifles, in the trenches with shots to the back of the head or machine gunned. The next in line had to lie on the bodies of already shot victims. The “Aryan” prisoners were forbidden to leave their barracks. They could therefore not observe the course of the execution. Some of them , however, were eyewitnesses to the executions in the last phase.
                  Approximately 100 members of the police and the Security Services carried out the shootings, including members of the commandant of the Security Police in Lublin. They were supported from the department of the SS Death’s Head units (SS-Totenkopfverbände) from Warsaw, the local police regiment , 22 men from Krakow and Lublin as well as 25 from the Reserve Police Battalion, 101 from Hamburg. The SS of Majdanek brought the prisoners to the fields of the place of execution , and the Camp Guards helped the outer units to hermetically seal off the camp premises.
                  The entire operation was called:”Aktion Erntefest”, and was well prepared in advance. I am sue you are able to find the subject on other website that will show the facts as well

                  Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — May 3, 2014 @ 5:30 pm

                • What is the evidence for that alleged action “Harvest Festival”? Let guess. Testimonies, as usually…

                  Sorry if ‘testimonies’, ‘information’ from a guidebook provided by the Majdanek museum and a picture of men with their hands on their neck is not enough for me.

                  FG wrote: ” an event that was code-named by the Nazis with the cynical word “Erntefest” which means Harvest Festival in English.”

                  Nothing cynical in those words. Harvest festivals were/are popular celebrations around the world, including in Nazi Germany. Thanksgiving is a reminiscence of ancient Harvest festivals.

                  http://www.britishpathe.com/video/a-national-harvest-festival/query/NAZI+GERMANY

                  Comment by hermie — May 4, 2014 @ 12:14 am

                • Ok then, my final word on the subject.

                  18,000 is a hell of a lot of people to control. If they had all made a dash for it I don’t see how 100 or so security people could have stopped them, even with machine guns and makeshift fences.

                  Also if they were resistance fighters, which they could have been, then how did they get to have so many, where were they held up to this point? Surely executing them as and when they were arrested would be more efficient.

                  Why were they shot, if there were gas chambers? Why not shoot every Jew in occupied Europe and then you don’t have to explain away “gas chambers” after the war.

                  Finally, if they were just normal Jews and this was just general extermination policy, then why waste manpower killing manpower?

                  Comment by DB — May 4, 2014 @ 1:28 am

                • I put up a new post today, in which I addressed the issue of the 18,000 prisoners who were allegedly killed.

                  Comment by furtherglory — May 4, 2014 @ 11:02 am


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