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August 3, 2014

Rialto student mentioned Charles A. Lindbergh in Holocaust hoax essay

I am continuing to follow the Holocaust essay debacle in the California Rialto school district “critical thinking” assignment, and today I read a sample essay here.

The essay starts out with this quote:

Many believe the Holocaust to be an event that almost exterminated all living Jews while other believe it to be nothing more than a propaganda act. I believe that it was a propaganda act, and my reasons are: no cyanide resident on the walls of gas chambers, only a small amount of Jews died in concentration camps, and even the Diary of Anne Frank is a lie.

As I stated earlier, no cyanide residue was left on the walls of these so called “gas chambers.” Fred A. Leuchter, one of America’s leading experts and specialists on the design of fabrication and execution equipment, scraped of some samples of the walls at a gas chamber, there should have been clear signs of cyanide residue on the walls, but there wasn’t any, any at all. Three years later, the Polish government went to the exact location to try and disprove his findings, but they then found out he was right. With this evidence, it should be enough to prove that the Holocaust is a hoax.

Charles A. Lindbergh

Charles A. Lindbergh

But this quote from the sample essay, written by a student who argued on the side of the Holocaust being a hoax, caught my eye:

“If that wasn’t enough, maybe this will be. A man named Charles A. Lindbergh visited one of these concentration camps soon after WW2 ended, and he was told that only 25,000 died in 1 to 1/2 years. Now, even children as young as 8 would agree that 25,000 multiplied by half a dozen camps doesn’t equal 6,0000,000, not even 600,000. Even if we threw away all this evidence, the number of Jews persecuted keeps increasing. First, it’s 6,000,000, then it’s 9,000,000, and then what, 12,000,000? The good people of America need to wake up and get some common sense. Our country has been the one to donate more money to Israel than any other country in the world: 35 billion each year! If we didn’t donate the money, every family in America could have a brand new Mercedes-Benz. Obviously, this evidence should make you believe the holocaust is a hoax.”

Lindbergh visited the Mittlebau Dora camp which had underground factories where the Germans were building rockets.  I previously blogged about the liberation of the Mittlebau Dora camp here.

The Mittlebau Dora camp was bombed by the Allies, and photos of the dead bodies of prisoners, who were killed by bombs, are frequently claimed to be the bodies of Jews who were killed by the Germans.

This quote from this website is what Lindbergh wrote about his visit to Mittlebau Dora after the war:

Here was a place where men and life and death had reached the lowest form of degradation. How could any reward in national progress even faintly justify the establishment and operation of such a place?
After visiting the Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp in Germany, as quoted in The New York Times (20 April 1980)

The student who wrote about Lindbergh in his school essay obviously did not know who Lindbergh was; he wrote “a man named Charles A. Lindbergh,” instead of writing something like this:  “Charles A. Lindbergh, the famous aviator who flew non-stop across the Atlantic ocean from New York to Paris in a single-engine plane in 1927.”  The student should have mentioned that Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer who fell into disrepute later in life when he was attacked because of his beliefs.

The most important thing about the Dora-Mittlebau camp is that photos of the dead prisoners, who were killed by Allied bombs, are frequently claimed to be the bodies of dead Jews who were killed by the Germans.  I wrote about this in a previous blog post here.

You can watch a You-Tube video which shows the inside of the tunnel where prisoners were working on the building of V2-rockets.

You can watch a disingenuous propaganda video, which incorrectly states that the 2,500 prisoners who were killed by American bombs, were killed by the Germans.

Beginning in March 1944, a section of the Bergen-Belsen camp was used to house prisoners from other concentration camps or forced labor camps who were sick and unable to work any longer. By 1945, sick prisoners from all over Germany were being brought to Bergen-Belsen. Prisoners in this section received inadequate medical care and there was a high mortality rate, according to the Memorial Site. This section of Bergen-Belsen was also sometimes called the Krankenlager or Sick camp.

The first transport brought to the Bergen-Belsen recuperation camp arrived on March 27, 1944; it consisted of 1000 inmates from the Dora-Mittelbau camp, where the prisoners had been forced to work in underground factories building the V-2 rockets for the German military. Most of these prisoners were suffering from tuberculosis, a fatal disease. By the time Bergen-Belsen was liberated, a little over a year later, only 57 of them were still alive.

Some of the inmates, who had been evacuated from the Dora-Mittelbau concentration camp and some of its sub-camps on April 3rd, 4th and 5th, ended up in the town of Gardelegen. The 4,000 prisoners from Dora-Mittelbau had been bound for the Bergen-Belsen, Sachsenhausen or Neuengamme concentration camps, but when the railroad tracks were bombed by American planes, the prisoners had been re-routed to Gardelegen, which was the site of a Cavalry Training School and a Parachutist Training School. The trains were forced to stop before reaching the town of Gardelegen and some of the prisoners escaped.The escaped prisoners terrorized the nearby villages, raping, looting and killing civilians. When they were caught, the prisoners were put into a barn at Gardelegen, and the infamous Gardelegen Massacre was the end result.

34 Comments »

  1. Dear Herbert,
    Of course, I meant no disrespect for you when I mentioned, that you are have been influenced by Western propaganda. We are all subjects to this influence. We are hearing every day about “atrocious Nazis” in the Warsaw Ghetto and “humane Israelis” in Gaza.
    Some people might start having doubts: “All of it cannot be lies!” And, yes it is!.
    I read your materials and now I have some questions. Have you been researching those facts you presented, or you just translated the materials from German?
    What I would like to know; how much of your own research and thoughts are in your description of Mittelbau-Dora living conditions?

    There are lots of questions to be asked. For example:
    What kind of crimes were committed by inmates, who were subjects to “Nacht und Nebel” (“Night & Fog”) program. It was, technically, delayed death sentence for a CRIME which had been already committed. Am I wrong?

    Comment by Gasan — August 8, 2014 @ 7:37 pm

    • Dear Gasan
      There is a short answer to what you call Western Propaganda: No, I have not done any research as such, other than searching the internet and obtaining books or publications on those subjects. What else is there? The posts I presented are straight translation from German, which I accept as gospel as they are vetted by the Institute for Research on Anti-Semitism-Berlin and sponsored by the Culture Department of the Bundesrepublick. Mittelbau-Dora falls into this category
      Nacht and Nebel inmates had been taken into custody on mere speculation and suspicion and I agree, that these individuals were ruthlessly executed without any evidence, but that was the system you lived under, irrespective of nationality, as a suspected civilian saboteur you had no rights under international law, both sides eliminated them when apprehended. I personally always feared attacks of partisans when roaming at the end of war through Czechoslovakia, and we would have taken retaliatory action, innocent or guilty, no matter how unpleasant it would have been. I do share your sentiments, I don’t think you are wrong, but what other sources are available? NONE!

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 9, 2014 @ 5:20 pm

  2. By the way, I live in Twin Cities and until recent times our International Airport was called Charles Lindbergh terminal. Another airport was called Hubert Humphrey terminal. Now, they are called terminals A & B.
    Even here, some dorkmeisters call Lindbergh a “nahtzee”.

    Comment by Gasan — August 6, 2014 @ 5:50 pm

  3. Nice to hear from you again, Herbert.
    I have never doubted in the honesty of your judgements and always considered you as a fine gentleman .
    However, you have been influenced by Western propaganda, even though, you were a witness of some of the events. Like commentator “DB”, I really doubt that inmates of Mittelbau-Dora were deliberately mistreated.
    The laborers, who are working on highly-sophisticated weapons of that time, must be in a very good shape. The advanced and sophisticated technology requires the same advanced and sophisticated labor workforce.
    In short, the workers, who just washed their faces with their own urine, who are constantly beaten and abused, who are malnourished and won’t be able to hold a screwdriver in their hands, do not represent the workforce required to accomplish such serious project.

    Comment by Gasan — August 6, 2014 @ 5:34 pm

    • Hello Gasan
      I have missed your intellect on this web site, it was always a challenge to exchange opinions and I learned from it. Coming back to Mittelbau-Dora, I did highlight in my post the fact that only skilled inmates were working on assembling rocket components, together with free German employees and that only 20 percent of the total prisoners had been engaged in the process, although some of them did sabotage what they put together. Eighty percent of them were used in tunnelling, who rarely saw daylight and had the highest mortality rate. I am somewhat perplexed by your comment that I am influenced by Western Propaganda, in what way, if I may ask?

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 7, 2014 @ 1:24 am

  4. I don’t know if Lindbergh can be depicted as a Nazi sympathizer. Having the opinion that not all men were created equal was the opinion of most people at that time. Ask U.S. negroes of that time if only Nazis thought that not all men were created equal in the 1930s and 1940s. And stating that Britain (Churchill more exactly), Jews and the Roosevelt administration dragged America into WW2 was not only Lindbergh’s or a Nazi’s opinion. Chamberlain also thought that and he told Forrestall that “America (i.e. the Roosevelt administration) and World Jewry” pushed England into WW2. Once in power, Churchill joined them and worked very hard to drag America into WW2 against the will of American citizens.

    I would rather call Lindbergh a pro-peace American patriot rather than a Nazi sympathizer. Calling Lindbergh “a Nazi sympathizer” for having been against the involvment of America in WW2 is like calling an American patriot “an Islamist terrorist” for being against the U.S. Zionist wars in Iraq. Deceitful trick…

    Comment by hermie — August 4, 2014 @ 9:20 am

    • Wold War II was the obvious result of the foolish decision of President Wilson to enter in WWI makiong so impossibe a RESAONABLE PEACE in Europe. Humiliating and considering Germany – not the Emoerir as oesin and/or the Prussion Miilitary Class ag group – as sole responsable of World War I and establshing a lot of little states on the palce of the former Habsburg Monarchy the Versailles Treaty set up an economic and social crisis leading to dictartoships,conflicts and WWII. As to USA, President Rooswelt entered WWII for the conflict with Japan which had been in alliance treaty with Germany. Instead of voicing Antisemitsm – blaming the “World Jewry” asnd similar nonsense sit down and study history.

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 4, 2014 @ 10:09 am

      • Wolf Murmelstein wrote: “As to USA, President Rooswelt entered WWII for the conflict with Japan”

        Yeah, Wolf. That’s why “peace-loving” FDR directly moved to his “Europe First” policy when he finally succeeded in dragging America in WW2, as wanted by his Jewish bosses, friends, advisors, backers and fellows (?). That’s also why Top Zionist Chaim Weizmann boasted that American Jews could easily bring America in WW2, as easily as they had done during WW1, if Churchill agreed to give him what he wanted. But Churchill was already on the Jewish side years before WW2. Just a toy in the hands of the Focus Group bying Palestine & restoring Jewish hegemony over Germany with Gentile blood.

        Only a blind idiot or a Jewish distorter like yourself can claim that WW2 wasn’t a Jewish war playing chess with Gentile pawns. So obvious it can be seen for outer space…

        Wolf Murmelstein wrote: “result of the foolish decision of President Wilson to enter in WWI makiong so impossibe a RESAONABLE PEACE in Europe”

        Wilson only did what his Zionist bosses, mainly Rabbi Stephen “6 million bleeding arguments in favor of Zionism” Wise, ordered him to do at the “Kosher Conference” of Paris-Versailles. Blaming Gentile scapegoats for Jewish actions doesn’t always work. Try something else…😉

        Comment by hermie — August 5, 2014 @ 7:20 am

        • It is much easier invent and talk about a “Jewish power” or so (like the Nazis and other antisemits) than sit down on You ass and study the historical background of events..

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 6, 2014 @ 1:56 am

          • All what you’ve found is to claim that there is no such thing as a “Jewish power” (what is a laughable lie to anybody with a IQ over 30 and sufficient knowledge of history and what’s going on behind the scenes), wolfie? Pretty pathetic…

            Comment by hermie — August 6, 2014 @ 8:56 am

          • As far as “peace-loving” FDR.
            One should read the letter of Polish Ambassador to USA Count Jerzy Potocki.
            The count was summoned to FDR in JANUARY OF 1939 and made him several proposals, how to start the war against Germany. For that matter, FDR suggested to Poland to allow RKKA (Red Army of USSR) in total strength of 160 divisions to go through the Polish territory and take the positions along German-Polish border.
            USSR promised to oblige.
            This is the history lesson for tonight🙂

            Comment by Gasan — August 6, 2014 @ 5:43 pm

  5. At the RUAKTI SCGOL DISTRICT they do not know that critical thinking requires to consider data. So they ought to consider the data of Jews living in Europe in 1937 before WWII, in 1941 when emigration had been stopped and in 1945 at the end of WWII. In China and Russia education is on higher standards.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — August 3, 2014 @ 12:29 pm

    • Maybe “they ought to consider the data of ” Palestinians living under occupation today, especially the ones in Gaza.

      No more Jewish sob stories Wolfie, that’s it, the world has had enough

      Comment by DB — August 3, 2014 @ 1:25 pm

  6. Does anybody with an IQ above 3 think they would have starved and beaten and abused workers working on a top priority rocket program, even slave workers

    Comment by DB — August 3, 2014 @ 11:17 am

    • DB
      Working conditions at Mittelbau-Dora were atrocities to say the least, inmates did not see day light for weeks on end and lived inside the tunnels without water or sanitary conditions. They urinated into their hands to wash their faces. Just try for once and asses an unbiased comment, without your often cynical remarks. I have written about their plight under Dachau KZ Blogspot.com – Mittelbau-Dora, and if you have the time, I hope you will read it.

      Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 3, 2014 @ 3:28 pm

      • Herbert,

        I’ll be as cynical as I like.

        Weeks on end with no water? Ok, if you say so. Most people can only go a few hours, but hey, holocaust survivors are somehow different, you know, eating grass for months, sucking on pebbles, watery soup and rock hard bread ho ho ho …..

        Comment by DB — August 4, 2014 @ 8:26 am

      • Nice to hear from you again, Herb. I checked out your blog post. I have added two You-Tube videos about the Dora-Mittlebau camp to my blog post. One video shows what the tunnels look like today, and the other is a propaganda video which blames the death of the 2,500 prisoners, killed by American bombs, on the Germans, who allegedly killed their own workers. According to American propaganda, the Germans were more interested in killing Jews than in winning the war with V2-rockets.

        Comment by furtherglory — August 4, 2014 @ 8:55 am

      • There was a titanic war running on at that time. Remember, Herbert? Underground factories and V2-rockets were needed at any cost at that time. It was normal and understandable that the welfare of forced laborers was a minor concern in those perilous times.

        No daylight and no water were still better living conditions than being cremated alive as the German civilians were under the bombs of Allied butchers at the same time.

        Comment by hermie — August 4, 2014 @ 9:32 am

        • I remember and experienced both sides, and where were you?

          Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 4, 2014 @ 6:49 pm

          • Herbert Stolpmann wrote: “where were you?”

            I was waiting to be born for 35 years.

            Herbert Stolpmann wrote: “I remember and experienced both sides”

            And you have patently opted for the Kosher lies told and spread by the monsters who butchered your people (assuming you’re a real German by blood, not a wandering rat from Khazaria) during WW2 (partly to hide their own monstrosity, but also to please their Zionist friends running for the spoliation of Palestine and the legitimization of their new colonial ethno-state). Something certainly very comfortable in today’s world. But not something to be proud of. Really not…

            Comment by hermie — August 5, 2014 @ 7:33 am

            • Hermie
              I have stated before that we are able to retrace our German ancestry back to 1325, Gerhard Stolpmann was a Crusader Bishop and Teutonic Knight, and we believe he was married or had concubines. From 1417-1427 he ruled the Pomerania Bishopric, which was our country estate south of Danzig until WW I when it was annexed by Poland. Over the centuries there is a mix of Dutch and Basque (Spanish), both paternal and maternal, and yes I have had Jewish friends that helped me along to migrate to NZ, the country of my adoption, after being kept in Eisenhower’s Death Camps as a Nazi-Kraut 1945 at the age of 17 years. Trusting this satisfies your curiosity unless you have further questions.

              Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 5, 2014 @ 5:46 pm

              • “unless you have further questions”

                Yes, I have.

                Where were you during WW2? In the Wehrmacht? In the SS? Where did you fight before landing in Eisenhower’s Death Camps?

                Comment by hermie — August 6, 2014 @ 9:01 am

                • hermie
                  It is all on the internet, just read my life story on Dachau KZ Blogsot.com. “My own surrender on May 9 1945. The last Unit I was attached to and leading a group of youths and older men, the Volkssturm were the remnants of the12th Panzervernichtungsbrigade der HJ: later became the 13th Brigade :http://www.axishistory.com/books/152-germany-heer/heer-brigaden/4419-1-panzervernichtungsbrigade-hitlerjugend

                  Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 6, 2014 @ 4:07 pm

                • You’ve led a brigade of teens and older men at the very end of WW2, Herb. So you know very well how desperate the situation of the 3rd Reich was in its last days, but you complain about the living conditions of prisoners anyway. Amazing!

                  Another question: As you lived at Dachau KZ after WW2, did you see when the American propagandists installed the alleged chutes for Zyklon B in the exterior wall of the ‘gas chamber’ after they changed their horror story about Dachau (gas through shower heads or floor drain ->> pellets through exterior wall)?

                  Comment by hermie — August 7, 2014 @ 9:08 am

                • hermie
                  1) I myself do not complain about KZ Inmates, what I am doing are translations of German publication, that are not available in the English language, and thus are available to readers as far away as Mongolia and so far I have had 160,000 hits. As to the desperation and suffering of the German people, this was mainly the wanton, deliberate destruction of civilian targets by the Allies. There was no hunger or shortages of food, this happened only under the Allied Occupation, initiated by General Eisenhower, a Convert-Christian.:”Oh, how I hate these Germans!”
                  2)The Gas Chamber: I have commented on this subject before: The short answer is, although I first saw the Gas Chamber in June 1946, together with a GI who took me there, I went inside it, while he locked the sealed iron door, it was completely dark. I have never seen at that time the chutes, which looked sloppily added at a later stage, it does not look like ‘German workmanship’, and only saw them when I went there again in 1954. Who actually installed them, I do not know. I personally believe it was done under the direction of an ex-inmate for homosexuality, Kurt Lange, who lived in the Camp and was actively involved in making changes. He also stood as a model that is situated close to the crematorium, his face was gaunt looking and he is easily recognizable on the statue, yet slightly exaggerated. We youngsters knew him very well!

                  Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 7, 2014 @ 2:36 pm

                • I took a photo of the statue of Kurt Lange, which you can see on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/martin-zaidenstadt-the-fake-holocaust-survivor-who-pan-handled-at-dachau/

                  My blog post was about Martin Zaidenstadt who claimed that he had posed for the statue. I have never been able to find out what happened to Martin. Do you know if he is still alive?

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 8, 2014 @ 7:10 am

                • Herb Stolpmann wrote: “I first saw the Gas Chamber in June 1946, together with a GI who took me there, I went inside it, while he locked the sealed iron door, it was completely dark. I have never seen at that time the chutes, which looked sloppily added at a later stage”

                  In June 1946, has the GI taking you in the “gas chamber” or anybody else told you how the “gas chamber” had supposedly worked?

                  HS: “Who actually installed them, I do not know. I personally believe it was done under the direction of an ex-inmate for homosexuality, Kurt Lange, who lived in the Camp and was actively involved in making changes. […] We youngsters knew him very well!”

                  What kind of changes were made by Kurt Lange at Dachau? Can you tell me a little bit more about him?

                  In general, what was the opinion of the former German soldiers about the alleged homicidal gas chambers in 1945 and the following years? Any disbelief or surprise? Any doubts about the honesty of the Allies-Soviets and the reliability of their ‘information (atrocity propaganda)?

                  Comment by hermie — August 7, 2014 @ 7:46 pm

                • hermie
                  I have previously commented on this subject: The GI that took me to see the crematorium was James Waters, with whom I delivered the companies clothing from Munich-Allach to the the Quartermaster Laundry located at the far north within the Military Camp, this complex was at that time called: “War Crimes Tribunal Dachau”. He, Waters, was still pumped full of Nazi atrocities and I was keen to see what, for me were unbelievable stories. As to the general opinion of German ex-soldiers, we rejected such claims outright. As far as Dachau was concerned, a number of ex-prisoners did stay and lived with us in the old Hospital Sections, but rarely could be drawn into what actually happened during their stay. There was only one person, The Secretary of the Bavarian Communist Party, who stayed in Hse. 52 who was only shaking his head when I once asked him about the Gas Chamber. Often heated debates did take place between us about the subject and the “Brausebad” which was stencilled later on over the entrance, see also: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/the-brausebad-sign-over-the-door-to-the-dachau-gas-chamber/. German attitude towards the Allied Occupation although accepted was rather disdainful.
                  The actual changes Kurt Lange did during his stay in the camp were rather minor, he had some signs installed and some that did not suit him removed. He was actively perusing with other an anti-Nazi campaign, with little effect. Other than that, we neither took much interest what those ex-inmates did. By the year of 1948 with the introduction of the DM, he received his monetary compensation, and often surrounded himself with rather attractive females at the social club we had, in whom he had no interest whatsoever, only to draw us younger males into his circle, as an active passive homosexual. He had an apartment, well furnished over the club, where he continued to entertain us until we were drunk. What happened after, I leave that up to your own imagination.
                  Germany has changed very much since those days, of the so-called war generation very few are still alive. In general terms what happened in concentration camps is now taboo.
                  As a side issue: My future wife at the age of 10 in 1943 often took illicit trips inside their bread delivery Van into the concentration camp, but can not recall anything out of the ordinary, in the contrary, she only remembers how neat and tidy everything was.

                  Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 8, 2014 @ 7:56 pm

                • Thank you so much for giving us all this information. I once stayed for a week in the town of Dachau and I tried to talk with some of the residents, but they would not talk to an American about the camp. On the other hand, they were very proud of their town and told me about it’s history.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 9, 2014 @ 7:56 am

                • FG
                  I received a rather negative reply to my enquire if Martin Zaidenstadt is still living in Dachau. Relatives of mine are rather reluctant to get involved concerning anything about the Holocaust, especially Dachau.

                  Comment by Herbert Stolpmann — August 8, 2014 @ 9:58 pm

                • Thank you for making an inquiry for me. I think that the residents of Dachau probably know that he was never a prisoner in the camp, and that he took advantage of the tourists at Dachau by lying to them and asking for money.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 9, 2014 @ 7:46 am

                • Thanks for your response, Herbert.

                  Furtherglory wrote (in his article about the Brausebad sign): “The ceiling of the Dachau gas chamber is now 7.6 feet high, but the wiring on the wall outside the door shows that the original ceiling in the room was actually much higher.”

                  Interesting, FG. Do you have pictures of the wiring on the wall ouside the door? How high is the wiring and how high was the original ceiling according to you? (Approximatively)

                  So the Brausebad sign is an old American sticker, according to your article. Did I get it right? If so, were stickers ever used by the Germans elsewhere at Dachau or any other camp?

                  Comment by hermie — August 10, 2014 @ 3:27 pm

      • FG wrote :-

        “…….and some of the prisoners escaped.The escaped prisoners terrorized the nearby villages, raping, looting and killing civilians”

        Oh dear, doesn’t sound like they were that under nourished and weak.

        Comment by DB — August 4, 2014 @ 10:31 am

  7. RE-EDUCATION CAMPS for ALL of them, teachers, too! The Communist Party of China knows how to deal with mis-education. If camp doesn’t fix it, a bullet to the head will.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — August 3, 2014 @ 11:01 am


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