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September 19, 2014

new evidence of gas chambers found at the Sobibór camp in Poland

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 10:10 am

Sobibór was one of the three Aktion Reinhard [Reinhardt] camps, which were set up after the end of the Wannsee Conference, which was held, starting on January 20, 1942, to plan “The Final Solution to the Jewish Question in Europe.”

Sobibor is a remote village in Poland

Sobibor train station in Poland

One of the followers of my blog visited the site of the Sobibór camp 10 days ago. He made a comment on my blog which included a link to this news story.  The headline of the story is

Archaeologists in Poland Make Horrendous Discovery Underneath the Ground That the Nazis Never Wanted Found

This quote is from the news story:

Another archeologist involved in unearthing the gas chambers, identified as Wojciech Mazurek, offered a bone-chilling description of the concentration camp.

“The extermination of people took place there; murder by smoke from an engine that killed everyone within 15 minutes in these gas chambers, in torment, shouting,” he told Reuters Television. “It is said that … the Nazis even bred geese in order to drown out these shouts so that prisoners could not have heard these shouts, these torments.”

[…]

In the wake of the camp uprising that occurred on 14 October 1943, the Germans decided to dismantle the camp. Apart from certain structures that have been dismantled since the war and the few buildings in connection to the camp that are still standing, the site has remained bare lacking any real trace of the former extermination camp.

Sobibór is way out in the boondocks.  Why did the Nazis go to such trouble and expense to take the Jews to this God-forsaken place, when they could have just set up gas chambers in some more convenient place?

The site of the tiny village of Sobibor in Poland

The site of the tiny village of Sobibor in Poland  Click on the photo for a much larger size

I have written about Sobibór on my blog in the past, but it bears repeating.

The Sobibór “extermination” camp was on the eastern edge of German-occupied Poland, five kilometers west of the Bug river. The Bug river was as far as trains from western Europe could go without changing the wheels to fit the train tracks in the Soviet Union, which were a different gauge.

On the other side of the Bug river from Sobibór was Ukraine, which had belonged to the Soviet Union until it was taken by the Germans shortly after their invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941.

The unsuspecting Jews, who arrived at Sobibór, were told that they would be sent to work camps in Ukraine after they had taken a shower, but instead, the Jews were immediately killed in gas chambers that used the “lethal smoke” known as carbon monoxide.

The Jews were not registered upon arrival at the Aktion Reinhard camps and no death records were kept by the Nazis.

The Nazis claimed that the Aktion Reinhard camps were transit camps for the “evacuation of the Jews to the East,” a euphemism for the genocide of the Jews. Unlike the death camps at Auschwitz and Majdanek, the three Aktion Reinhard camps did not have ovens to cremate the bodies.  The German people are noted for being efficient, so this oversight is inconceivable.

Whatever happened to all those bodies? Were they buried, or burned on outdoor pyres?  According to the survivors, the bodies were first buried and then dug up and burned on pyres.

The head of Aktion Reinhard (Operation Reinhard) was SS-Brigadeführer Odilio Globocnik, who had previously been the Gauleiter of Vienna, Austria. Unfortunately, Globocnik and Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler both committed suicide after being captured by the British, so we will never know their version of what happened.  Thanks to the British, the  Holocaust  Holohoax story is safe.

At the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal in 1946, documents were introduced which showed an exchange of letters in 1943 between Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, the head of all the concentration camps, and Richard Glücks, the Inspector of the Concentration Camps, in which Glücks suggested that Sobibór be converted into a concentration camp. In a letter dated 5 July 1943, Himmler rejected this idea. This indicates that Sobibór was not a concentration camp, but rather a camp that was not part of the Nazi concentration camp system.

The three Aktion Reinhard camps were all in remote locations, but “each site was on a railroad line linking it with hundreds of towns and villages whose Jewish communities were now trapped and starving” in the spring of 1942, according to Martin Gilbert’s book entitled The Holocaust. Sobibór was linked by rail with many large Jewish communities, including Lublin, Wlodawa and Chelm.

Jews were also brought from the Theresienstadt ghetto, located in what is now the Czech Republic, although Theresienstadt allegedly had a gas chamber.  Jews were also brought from the Netherlands, to be gassed at Sobibór.

The Jews from the Netherlands were brought to Sobibór on passenger trains.  This begs the question:  Why didn’t the Nazis save money by gassing these Jews in the Netherlands? Why didn’t they use these valuable trains for transporting German troops?

Deportations to Sobibór began in mid April 1942 with transports from the town of Zamosc in Poland, according to Holocaust historian Martin Gilbert.

The Jews from the Lublin ghetto were also sent to Sobibór to be gassed, although there were three or four gas chambers at Majdanek just outside the city of Lublin. Now this doesn’t make any sense at all.  The Jews could have walked to the Majdanek gas chambers, but instead they were transported on trains to Sobibór.

During the first phase of the extermination of the Jews at Sobibór, which lasted until July 1942, an estimated 100,000 Jews were gassed to death. Their bodies were buried in mass graves, then dug up later and burned on pyres.

During the next phase, the bodies were burned immediately, according to Toivi Blatt, one of the few survivors of Sobibór. At the age of 15, Blatt had been selected to work in sorting the clothing in the camp. Philip Bialowitz was also selected to work in sorting the possessions of the Jews who arrived at the camp; he also survived.

During World War II, and for years afterward, the Sobibór camp was virtually unknown. William Shirer did not even mention it in his monumental 1147-page book entitled The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

It was not until the release of a 1987 TV movie, Escape from Sobibor, based on a book with the same name, that the public knew of this remote spot where 250,000 Jews lost their lives. The movie tells the story of the revolt during which around 300 prisoners escaped; no more than 50 of them survived to the end of the war. Philip Bialowitz and Toivi Blatt were among the prisoners who escaped and survived.

I have never visited the site of the Sobibór camp because there is not much to see there.  The photo below, taken by Allen Collins, shows two monuments in the alleged location of the gas chambers. It has now been confirmed, in this news article that this was the location of 10 gas chambers.

Monuments in the alleged location of the gas chambers at Sobibor

Monuments in the alleged location of the gas chambers at Sobibor

The photo above shows the spot in Camp III at Sobibór where 10 brick buildings with gas chambers once stood. A large block of stone represents the gas chambers in two of the buildings at Sobibór , which were torn down long ago.

The remains of 8 more gas chamber buildings were found near the monument

The remains of 8 more gas chamber buildings were found near the monument (click on photo for larger size)

In the photo immediately above, notice that the monument made of red stone has been temporarily removed from the block on which it stood.

Survivors of Sobibór do not agree on the number, nor the size of the gas chambers. The victims were allegedly killed with carbon monoxide from the exhaust of engines taken from captured Soviet tanks, which were stored in Camp IV. There is also disagreement on whether these were diesel engines or gasoline engines.

In the wake of the camp uprising that occurred on 14 October 1943, the Germans decided to dismantle the camp. Apart from certain structures that have been dismantled since the war and the few buildings in connection to the camp that are still standing, the site has remained bare lacking any real trace of the former extermination camp.

According to another news story, which you can read here, the exact location of the gas chambers has now been found.  The photo below shows the exact spot where the gas chamber building was located.

Exact location of Sobibor gas chamber has been found

Exact location of Sobibor gas chamber has been found

 

23 Comments »

  1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnWa5sLZm0U this was from the Polish archaeologist who was in charge of the Sobibor dig last month when I visited Sobibor.
    A bit different from the “gas chamber” sensationalist find…

    Comment by schlageter — October 6, 2014 @ 6:04 am

    • The Sobibor story does not make sense. Here is what Wikipedia says about Sobibor: “Jews from Poland, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, and the Soviet Union, possibly as well as some non-Jewish Soviet POWs, were transported to Sobibór by rail and suffocated in gas chambers fed by the exhaust of large petrol engines. One source states that up to 200,000 people were murdered at Sobibór.”

      This is so un-German. If you are going to take the trouble to build a “death camp” way out in the boondocks, you should use the site to kill more than 200,000 people.

      Besides that, if you are going to use valuable trains to take people way out into the boondocks to kill them, you should build proper gas chambers, that use Zyklo-B gas. It is crazy to transport people from the Netherlands to a God-forsaken spot in Poland to kill them with carbon monoxide. This doesn’t make sense, and that is why I don’t believe it.

      I blogged about Sobibor at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/jews-were-reduced-to-ashes-within-a-half-hour-of-their-arrival-at-the-sobibor-extermination-camp/

      This quote is from my blog post: “The Bug river was as far as trains from western Europe could go without changing the wheels to fit the train tracks in the Soviet Union, which were a different gauge. On the other side of the Bug river from Sobibór was Ukraine, which had belonged to the Soviet Union until it was taken by the Germans shortly after their invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941.”

      Sorry, but I believe that Sobibor was a TRANSIT camp.

      Comment by furtherglory — October 6, 2014 @ 7:57 am

  2. Reblogged this on The Stoker's Blog.

    Comment by thestoker — September 22, 2014 @ 3:47 pm

  3. Correction, A cement mushroom-like monument with windows containing bones was placed over a mound of ash at Majdanek, not Sobibor.

    Comment by who dares wings — September 21, 2014 @ 4:43 pm

  4. Video commentary from archeologist Yorim Haimi who has found eight gas chambers at Sobibor after digging for them for seven years. Where’s the mountain of ash? Oh, right, they covered it back in 2008 with a big mushroom shaped cement monument with bones in the dirt windows. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2761220/Gas-chambers-discovered-Sobibor-Holocaust-researchers-exact-location-building-Nazi-death-camp.html

    Comment by who dares wings — September 20, 2014 @ 4:13 pm

  5. Nice try, but no cigar revisionists. Game over. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/18/gas-chambers-nazi-concentration-camp-sobibor-poland

    Comment by who dares wings — September 20, 2014 @ 3:46 pm

    • What about the Memorial Stone that currently exists in the spot where the gas chambers allegedly stood. I included a photo of this memorial stone on my blog post.

      There were 50 survivors from the 300 prisoners who escaped. Those 50 survivors lived for a long time and gave a lot of evidence about the camp. How come these 50 survivors never mentioned the 8 brick buildings in the same location that were used as gas chambers?

      Will the current memorial stone be removed and a sign put up to let tourists know that a mistake was made years ago and there were actually 10 gas chambers in this location, but it took SEVEN YEARS of digging to find the remains.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 20, 2014 @ 4:12 pm

  6. Let’s think about this for a minute:

    …an estimated 100,000 Jews were gassed to death. Their bodies were buried in mass graves, then dug up later and burned on pyres.

    I think this can be dismissed immediately as rank nonsense. It is simply impossible to completely burn a human corpse in the open air. There will always be flesh remaining, and the temperatures just cannot be high enough to make the bones brittle so they can be easily crushed into something resembling ash (and I have never heard of a bone crushing apparatus being part of any “death camp”, even though it is standard equipment for any crematory today). So if they want to do any forensic investigations, they could and should start by trying to explain what happened to all of those bodies.

    …this remote spot where 250,000 Jews lost their lives.

    So what did happen to all of those bodies? I mean, 250k is a HUGE number of corpses to dispose of, right? Per the above, cremation (with crushing of the bones afterward) is the only reasonable alternative. Suppose that using a well-designed, well-fueled cremation oven it would have taken about two hours to fully cremate/crush the bones of a corpse — this is fair. That’s 500k hours of cremation time. Now follow along: 500k hours is 20833 days, which is 2976 weeks, which is 57 years. Got that? That’s 57 years of cremation time with a single oven. Suppose they had 8 ovens operating 24/7/365 — that’s still over 7 years of cremation time. Even if you cut the cremation time to only one hour, that is still approx 3.5 years of cremation time with 8 ovens. Not to mention the enormous amounts of fuel — coal — that would have been necessary. And assuming the ovens could operate 24/7/365 without breaking down.

    It’s all totally absurd.

    Comment by eah — September 20, 2014 @ 6:27 am

  7. Now what has been found there leading to the conclusion that there was a homicidal gas chamber?

    Comment by Andreas Meyer — September 20, 2014 @ 4:48 am

    • The outline of a space where a building once stood has been found. I put a photo of it at the bottom of my blog post. There are a few bricks on the ground on the left side of the photo, indicating that this spot was where a brick building once stood. This building was obviously a building where a gas chamber was once located. What else could it have been?

      Jews went sent on trains to a spot in the woods in the boondocks of Poland. There was only one reason to send them to such a place — to kill them in gas chambers. Oh ye of little faith.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 20, 2014 @ 8:40 am

  8. Yes, and then there’s Irene Zisblatt’s amazing testimony which holocaust deniers and anti-semites have called,and I quote. ” a shitty little lie”

    Comment by hosehead — September 19, 2014 @ 12:37 pm

    • Comment by Henry Barth — September 19, 2014 @ 7:22 pm

      • This video could be used in college classes in psychology to explain the meaning of the word “affect.” You can read the meaning of the word “affect” on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affect_%28psychology%29

        Irene’s emotions and her facial expressions do not match what she is saying. She is describing horrible atrocities as though she were talking about having her hair and nails done. Even the background is inappropriate for what she is saying. She is sitting in an expensive house in Florida as she tells how she got to this position in life. The video should be entitled “The art of lying, or how to get rich and retire in Florida.”

        Comment by furtherglory — September 20, 2014 @ 9:01 am

    • …which holocaust deniers and anti-semites have called…”a shitty little lie”

      They were being too kind.

      Comment by eah — September 20, 2014 @ 6:05 am

  9. In THERESIENTADT the Nazis started the costruction of a Gas Chamber in January 1945 but in February works had been stopped as ordered by SS Gemeraò and Reichsminister of the Protektorate Bohemoa Moravia Karl Herman Frank. Informed by rhe Cfief Engineer Kohn the Judenaeltester Benkamin Murmelstein informed SS Comander Rahm about a possible mass pmic of inmates with attempts to flee.The SS Comander Rahm stood three days at Prage and returned with the order to stop works. The full story is written in the book by Benjamin Murmelstei due to go pubblc these day also in German by CHERNIN VERLAG – Wiem..

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — September 19, 2014 @ 11:48 am


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