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December 1, 2014

Did Hitler just want to expel the Jews from Europe, or did he want to kill them all?

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 9:11 am

I have been having a depressing discussion with one of the readers of my blog, in the comments section, about the use of the word “expelled” to describe Hitler’s motive in wanting to get the Jews out of Germany, and eventually out of Europe.

Some of the regular followers of my blog might want to weigh in on the subject of the Nazis “expelling” the Jews versus “murdering the Jews.”

Hitler wanted to “ausrotten” the Jews.  What does that mean?  There are two sides to this question.  One side is against the law in 20 countries, and the other side is “the Holocaust” as taught in schools world wide.  You can read some quotes from Hitler’s speeches on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/the-latest-flap-in-the-national-news-the-nazi-essay-controversy-in-albany-ny/

I previously blogged about this subject in a blog post entitled Let me tell you about the Jewish settlement in Nisko, Poland which you can read in full here.

This quote is from that previous blog post:

When did Hitler decide on the genocide of the Jews in Europe?  Nobody knows because he didn’t put it in writing.  One thing we do know is that, in the 1930s, there were proposals, by other European leaders, to resettle the Jews in Uganda, Madagascar or Biro Bidjan in Siberia.  In other words, any place besides Palestine.

After the conquest of Poland in 1939, Germany got in on it, with a settlement for the Jews in Nisko, a little town in Poland.   The settlement quickly failed because of poor prior planning.

Before World War II, the Polish Nationalists had asked the French right-wing parties to back the idea of a mass emigration of the Polish Jews for a settlement on the island of Madagascar. At the same time, in the Soviet Union, Stalin had launched the project of the Jewish Republic of Biro Bidjan, located in Siberia.

Let’s start with the Jewish settlement in Nizko, Poland.

This quote is from an essay written by Wolf Murmelstein, the son of Benjamin Murmelstein, the last Jewish elder of Theresienstat, now known as Terezin.

The very moment to show the Arab friends how Nazi Germany could address Jewish emigration to a destination far away from Palestine came in October 1939 after Poland had been overrun. On October 6th, Hitler, in his speech before the Reichstag, offering in this manner peace talks to the Western Allies, spoke about the new assessment of Poland and mentioned vaguely the idea of a Jewish Settlement Area there.

In the same days of October, a transport of Jewish men of working age from Vienna and Bohemia-Moravia had to be set up, and some leading Community Officials – Murmelstein from Vienna and Edelstein from Prague – with other staff members – had to join. On October 19, 1939, this first transport reached the station of Nisko, a little town in the Lublin area, near the border between the German and the Soviet zones of Poland. After a long march, the group reached a meadow, their destination. The following day, Eichmann gave a speech about building shanties, setting up a health service, an organization to start, etc. as “otherwise it should mean to die.”

In a personal talk, Murmelstein asked about the means available, realizing that there was nothing, as Eichmann advised only: “kick the Polish peasant out and settle in his house.” This seemed to be madness, but a Jewish official, within this mess and ignoring, of course, the political background, could not appreciate the method there was in it.

[…]

Eichmann, at Nisko, sent the leading Jewish officials home in order to catch every possible further emigration opportunity. From Vienna, Prague and Berlin, some

The very moment to show the Arab friends how Nazi Germany could address Jewish emigration to a destination far away from Palestine came in October 1939 after Poland had been overrun. On October 6th, Hitler, in his speech before the Reichstag, offering in this manner peace talks to the Western Allies, spoke about the new assessment of Poland and mentioned vaguely the idea of a Jewish Settlement Area there.

In the same days of October, a transport of Jewish men of working age from Vienna and Bohemia-Moravia had to be set up, and some leading Community Officials – Murmelstein from Vienna and Edelstein from Prague – with other staff members – had to join. On October 19, 1939, this first transport reached the station of Nisko, a little town in the Lublin area, near the border between the German and the Soviet zones of Poland. After a long march, the group reached a meadow, their destination. The following day, Eichmann gave a speech about building shanties, setting up a health service, an organization to start, etc. as “otherwise it should mean to die.”

In a personal talk, Murmelstein asked about the means available, realizing that there was nothing, as Eichmann advised only: “kick the Polish peasant out and settle in his house.” This seemed to be madness, but a Jewish official, within this mess and ignoring, of course, the political background, could not appreciate the method there was in it.

[…]

Eichmann, at Nisko, sent the leading Jewish officials home in order to catch every possible further emigration opportunity. From Vienna, Prague and Berlin, some thousand persons, until March 1941, could still emigrate during increasing difficulties. No further transports were scheduled to arrive in Nisko any more. The 450 workers returned home after six months. The camp had been set up for the transit of Germans returning from Eastern European countries to the Reich.

Read the last sentence again: The [Nisko] camp had been set up for the transit of [Jewish] Germans returning from Eastern countries to the [German] Reich.  It seems that no country wanted the Jews. This quote is from an article which you can read in full here:

On 13 May 1939, more than 900 Jews fled Germany aboard a luxury cruise liner, the SS St Louis. They hoped to reach Cuba and then travel to the US – but were turned away in Havana and forced to return to Europe, where more than 250 were killed by the Nazis.

Did you catch that? The Jews “fled” from the Nazis, but no other country would take them, not even the United States of America. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum explains what happened.

I visited the USHMM museum several years ago. After leaving the elevator on the fourth floor of the musuem, the progression of the fourth floor exhibit is to the left. The displays continue around behind the elevators until you come to a red and white painted metal pole, placed horizontally so that it is a barrier blocking the exit near the end of the room. On my visit to the museum, I noticed that some visitors squeezed through and went around the barrier, but by doing so they missed a significant part of the displays.

The red and white metal pole represents the border of Poland which the Germans crossed when they invaded on September 1, 1939, but there is more to the story before you get to that point, so visitors should turn left at the barrier, where you will see a semicircular niche completely covered with a photograph of Lake Geneva.

The title of the exhibit in the niche is “No help, No haven.” It is the story of the Evian Conference, which President Roosevelt organized in July 1938. Representatives of 32 countries met at a luxury hotel to discuss the refugee problem after the Germans had taken over Austria in March and made it known that they wanted to get rid of all the Jews.

The Evian conference was a failure because no country wanted to accept the Jews, but the United States did agree to admit the full quota of Eastern Europeans and Germans (Jews and non-Jews) allowed by our immigration laws, which had not been done up to that time.

Hitler didn’t want Jews in Germany; he wanted Germany to be a nation of Germans. What to do?  Hitler decided on the Transfer Agreement, by which he sent prominent Jewish leaders to Palestine and  transferred a large sum of money with them.

I previously wrote about the Transfer Agreement on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/hitler-and-the-transfer-agreement/

Hitler was an anti-Semite, which meant something different in his day. I blogged about the meaning of anti-Semite in this previous blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/was-richard-wagner-an-anti-semite/

Now the news is full of stories about Netanyahu who wants Israel to be a “nation state.”  Oh no! Netanyahu is worse than Hitler, who wanted Germany to be a nation state for Germans.  Where will the Germans go, if they are ever kicked out of Germany by the Jews, who are now returning to Germany?  They can’t go to Israel because Israel is now a “nation state” for Jews.

 

 

 

 

 

7 Comments »

  1. I wonder what would have happened if Nazi Germany had not been destroyed in the war by the allies. I know it is all rather counterfactual. It is interesting though to reflect what would have happened to famous politicians of the 1970s and 1980s if the other side had won or even reached a stalemate. Would such radical changes have occurred such as the civil rights movement.? Would the European powers have divested themselves of their overseas colonies ?
    Many famous left wing politicians of the post war era had very different views during the war, for instance French President Mitterand had worked enthusiastically for the Vichy government, and now it is revealed that ex West German SPD chancellor Helmut Schmidt was far from being an opponent of the regime; he had once been a very enthusiastic supporter.
    http://www.thelocal.de/20141202/was-helmut-schmidt-an-impeccable-nazi

    Comment by peter — December 3, 2014 @ 5:08 pm

  2. About Nisko, in the event Benjamin Murmelstein would have been heard as withness in etrial, would be made clear that:
    1. Eichmann ended his speech abput things to set up with the words: “Otherwise it would mean to die”
    2. That the only advise of Eichmann had been “kick the polish peasant out his hous and enter ityy”
    3. That the prefect – Landrat – of the area had not been informed about the Jews at Nisko.
    4. That not even the SS Highcomander of the Lublin zone had been informed about the Nislo project.
    5. That some days later Eichmann himself had to give the order to return to Vienna and Prague.
    6. Some jewish workers – abotu 450 – had to stay for some monts in order to set ready the camp for etnic Germans of Russia who, according to the treaty of August 1939 had been allowed to leave URSS in order to “return” to Germany. Those jewish workers could return to Vienna after six months mainly as Gereral Governor Hans Frank at that time did not want to have german or austrian jews to deal with.
    This had not been clearified at the Eichmann trial having General Attorney Hausness omitted to call Benjamin Murmelstein to give evidence.
    Considering other historical facts i think that the whole Nisko affair had been only a mokery in order to show the Arabs that Nazi Germany has other solutions for the Jews. Indeed, EIchmann advanced in his career and obtained the rank of Major and the direction of the Office for Jewish “Emigration” at the RSHA – High Reich Security Office. Furthermore, remember that in November 1937 Eichmann met with Arab leaders learning about their way of thinking.
    As to emigration to Palestine:, From 1933 until \937 jews could carry “German products until the value of RM 20.000”, the only allllowance obtained.
    As tio israel: Among the many Islamic States wher the Sharia rules Israel must state to be the STATE OF JEWISH PEOPLE.
    Please consider that English is not my first language and have understanding for my errors.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — December 2, 2014 @ 3:14 am

  3. Furtherglory wrote: “Hitler wanted to “ausrotten” the Jews. What does that mean?”

    Hitler was clear in his speeches about the Nazi meaning of “ausrottung” (extermination, extirpation,uprooting) / “vernichtung” (annihilation) of Jewry in Europe. With full quotes, one can see that Hitler in fact said that another world war would finally destroy Jewry’s power/hegemony on a continental scale through antisemitic laws and propaganda/education (Goebbels’ Ministry of Public ENLIGHTENMENT and Propaganda, “Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda”), as what had happened in Germany between 1933 and 1939. According to Hitler’s speeches on that topic, WW2 was supposed to bring a growth and widespread of antisemitism and so make Jewish post-war domination impossible in any European country and perhaps beyond.

    January 30, 1939: [quote] And there is yet one more topic on which I would like to speak on this day, perhaps not only memorable for us Germans: I have been a prophet very often in my lifetime, and this earned me mostly ridicule. In the time of my struggle for power, it was primarily the Jewish people who mocked my prophecy that, one day, I would assume leadership of this Germany, of this State, and of the entire Volk, and that I would press for a resolution of the Jewish question, among many other problems. The resounding laughter of the Jews in Germany then may well be stuck in their throats today, I suspect.

    Once again I will be a prophet: should the international Jewry of finance (Finanzjudentum) succeed, both within and beyond Europe, in plunging mankind into yet another world war, then the result will not be a Bolshevization of the earth and the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation (Vernichtung) of the Jewish race in Europe. Thus, the days of propagandist impotence of the non-Jewish peoples are over.

    National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy possess institutions which, if necessary, permit opening the eyes of the world to the true nature of this problem.

    Many a people is instinctively aware of this, albeit not scientifically versed in it.

    At this moment, the Jews are still propagating their campaign of hatred in certain states under the cover of press, film, radio, theater, and literature, which are all in their hands. Should indeed this one Volk attain its goal of prodding masses of millions from other peoples to enter into a war devoid of all sense for them, and serving the interests of the Jews exclusively, then the effectiveness of an enlightenment will once more display its might. Within Germany, this enlightenment conquered Jewry utterly in the span of a few years.

    Peoples desire not to perish on the battlefield just so that this rootless, internationalist race can profit financially from this war and thereby gratify its lust for vengeance derived from the Old Testament. The Jewish watchword “Proletarians of the world, unite!” will be conquered by a far more lofty realization, namely: “Creative men of all nations, recognize your common foe!” [end quote]

    January 30, 1941: [quote] Finally this year will help to assure the basis for understanding between the peoples, and thereby, for their reconciliation. I do not want to miss pointing out what I pointed out on 3rd of September [1940] (in fact, on January 30, 1939) in the German Reichstag, that if Jewry were to plunge the world into war, the role of Jewry would be finished in Europe. They may laugh about it today, as they laughed before about my prophecies. The coming months and years will prove that I prophesied rightly in this case too. But we can see already how our racial peoples which are today still hostile to us will one day recognise the greater inner enemy, and that they too will then enter with us into a great common front. The front of Aryan mankind against Jewish-International exploitation and destruction of nations. [end quote]

    January 30, 1942: [quote] They have already spoken of the breaking up of the German Reich by next September, and with the help of this advance prophesy, and we say that the war will not end as the Jews imagine it will, namely, with the uprooting of the Aryans, but the result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews. Now for the first time they will not bleed other people to death, but for the first time the old Jewish law of ‘An eye for an eve, a tooth for a tooth,’ will be applied. And the further this war spreads, the more antisemitism will spread. It will find strength in every prison camp, and in every family, which will understand that its sacrifices are because of this antisemitism. And the hour will come when the enemy of all times, or at least of the last thousand years, will have played his part to the end. [end quote]

    February 24, 1942: [quote] This community of Jewish capitalism and Communism is nothing new to us old National Socialists, especially to you, my oldest comrades in arms. As before, during, and after the First World War in our country, so today the Jews and again only the Jews have to be held responsible for tearing apart the nations.

    There is a difference, however, if we compare the present world struggle with the end of the war from 1914-1918. In 1919, we National Socialists were a small group of believers who not only recognized the international enemy of mankind but also fought him. Today, the ideas of our National Socialist and Fascist revolution have conquered great and mighty states. My prophecy will be fulfilled that this war will not destroy the Aryan, but, instead, it will exterminate the Jew. Whatever the struggle may bring, however long it may last, this will be its final result. And only then, after the elimination of these parasites, a long era of international understanding, and therefore of true peace, will come over the suffering world. [end quote]

    September 30, 1942: [quote] On the first of September, 1939, we made two pronouncement in the Reichstag session of that date: First, that now that the, have forced this war upon us no amount of military force and no length of time will ever be able to conquer us; and second, the if Jewry is starting an international world war to eliminate the Aryan nations of Europe, then it won’t be the Aryan nation which will be wiped out but Jewry.

    They have drawn nation after nation into this war. The men who pull the strings of this demented man in the White House have managed actually to draw one nation after the other into this war. But to just the same degree a wave of anti-Semitism has swept over nation after nation. And it will move on farther. State after state that enters this war will one day become anti-Semitic.
    In Germany too the Jews once laughed at my prophecies. I don’t know whether they are still laughing, or whether they have already lost the inclination to laugh, but I can assure you that everywhere they will stop laughing. With these prophecies I shall prove to be right. [end quote]

    November 8, 1942: [quote] Another power, too, which was very strong in Germany has meanwhile been able to learn from experience that the National Socialist prophecies are no mere phrases; it is the main power to which we owe all this misfortune-international Jewry. You will recall the Reichstag session at which I declared: “If Judaism imagines by any chance that it can bring about an international world war for the extermination of the European races, the result will not be the extermination of the European races, but the extermination of the Jews in Europe.”

    They have always derided me as a prophet. Today countless numbers of those who laughed at that time, laugh no longer. Those who are still laughing now, also will perhaps laugh no longer after a while . . . will spread beyond Europe and over the whole world. International Jewry will be recognized in all its demoniac peril. We National Socialists will see to that. This peril is recognized in Europe, and country after country is adopting our legislation. Thus today we see in this vast struggle only one single possibility; it is that of complete success, and there now remains only the question of whether there are any reasons at all to doubt this success. [end quote]

    February 24, 1943: [quote] This fight will not end with the planned annihilation of the Aryan but with the extermination of the Jew in Europe. Beyond this, thanks to this fight, our movement’s world of thought will become the common heritage of all people, even of our enemies. State after state will be forced, in the course of its fight against us, to apply National Socialist theories in waging this war that was provoked by them. And in so doing, it will become aware of the curse that the criminal work of Jewry has laid over all people, especially through this war. [end quote]

    Comment by hermie — December 1, 2014 @ 8:46 pm

  4. Birobidzhan is comparable by it’s size with the territory of today’s Israel.
    The climate is rather harsh, but the Jews live in Minneapolis, or even Winnipeg, right?
    Birobidzhan is self-governed autonomous district (Oblast’) within Russia proper.
    The Yiddish is official language along with Russian. The education in Hebrew is also offered at the major schools upon the request of students/teachers.

    However, the actual Jewish population of the district never exceeded 30,000, which is about 25% of the total population of the district. There are plenty of opportunities for hunting, fishing, building and other type of manual labor. The current population of the Jews in the area is no more than 1-2% of the total of 170.000.
    Now, Birobidzhan could be a good place to start some financial business due to it’s close location to China.
    But the those economic relationships had never been built and the opportunity is lost.

    The bottom line.
    The Jews did not want to live in the land which was given to them by Joseph Stalin and asked for special privileges.
    After WWII they wanted to resettle in Crimea Peninsula and built the Jewish State right there. The problem was, that the area was already populated by the natives, plus there was/is a major Soviet/Russian Naval base. That claim was denied on the spot.

    Comment by Gasan — December 1, 2014 @ 8:10 pm

    • They still want Ukraine, and, by the looks of it, may succeed in getting it. Petro Poroshenko, Igor Kolomoisky, Yatsenyuk, Groysman, Tymoshenko, Klitschko, Akhmetov, Victoria Nuland (Nudelman) — all Jews.

      As long as Jews have any political power in this world, there will never be peace.

      Comment by Sendejo — December 19, 2014 @ 5:24 pm

  5. Netanyahu’s “Jewish Nation” bill is still just a bill that’s been approved to be voted into law in the Knesset at a future date. The world’s only official ethno-state is not quite a fait accompli, but when/if it becomes one Israel will have a hard time using their “We are the only democracy in the Mid East” gambit for the big US foreign aid pay package they’re given annually. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/.premium-1.629446. Readers of this blog might be interested to learn that this has been in the offing since the inception of Zionism which is over 150 years old. The long range plan is a global plantation of nut brown colored mixed race consumer slaves all watched over by Jews of loving grace. See “Father of the European Union” Count Richard Nickolas Coudenhove-Kalergi’s sublime ideas about this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nikolaus_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

    Comment by who dares wings — December 1, 2014 @ 5:20 pm

  6. There WAS a German colony in Palestine, near Haifa. THEY were kicked out of Palestine (then a British mandate with a rapidly growing Jewish proportion of the population) sometime after the National Socialists took over in Germany. It MIGHT even have been after Britain declared war on Germany in September 1939. Fortunately, Germany took them (back) in.

    The German enclave predated World War I, but it wasn’t ancient by local standards. German-style architecture is still quite evident in many of the buildings at the site. The Israelis haven’t bulldozed them (all) (yet).

    Comment by Jett Rucker — December 1, 2014 @ 10:29 am


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