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April 2, 2015

The gas chambers at Sobibór, according to Wikipedia

Filed under: Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 8:32 am

A reader of my blog made a comment in which a link to this page on Wikipedia was included.

This quote is from Wikipedia:

Jews from Poland, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union, as well as the Soviet prisoners of war, were transported to Sobibór by rail and suffocated in gas chambers fed by the exhaust of large petrol engines. Up to 200,000 people were murdered at Sobibór,[3] and possibly more.

The source [3] for this information is Raul Hilberg, who  spent one whole afternoon at the main Auschwitz camp before writing his famous  book. He couldn’t be bothered with going to see Sobibór, which is way out in the boondocks in Poland.

Few people ever go to Sobibór, and why should they, when they can  just read Wikipedia.

I’ve never been to Sobibór myself, but I did do some research on it a few years ago. I wrote about Sobibór on this page of my scrapbookpages.com website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Sobibor/Tour01.html

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The Sobibór camp was on the eastern edge of German-occupied Poland, five kilometers west of the Bug river. The Bug river was as far as trains from western Europe could go without changing the wheels to fit the train tracks in the Soviet Union, which were a different gauge. On the other side of the Bug river from Sobibór was Ukraine, which had belonged to the Soviet Union until it was taken by the Germans shortly after their invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. The unsuspecting victims who arrived at Sobibór were told that they would be sent to work camps in Ukraine after they had taken a shower, but instead, the Jews were immediately killed in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms.

Sobibór was one of the three Aktion Reinhard camps which were set up following the Wannsee Conference on January 20, 1942 when “The Final Solution to the Jewish Question in Europe” was planned. The head of Aktion Reinhard (Operation Reinhard) was SS-Brigadeführer Odilio Globocnik, who had previously been the Gauleiter of Vienna, Austria. Globocnik and Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler both committed suicide after being captured by the British.

The other two Aktion Reinhard camps were Belzec and Treblinka. The first Commandant at Belzec was Christian Wirth, who was also the Inspector of the Aktion Reinhard camps. Belzec and Treblinka were also very near the Bug river which formed the eastern border between German-occupied Poland and the Soviet Union. Across the Bug river from Treblinka was Belorussia (White Russia) which is now called Belarus.

According to the figures given by the Nazis at the Wannsee Conference, there were approximately 5 million Jews in the Soviet Union in January 1942, including 2,994,684 in Ukraine and 446,484 in Belorussia. There were another 2,284,000 Jews in the area of German-occupied Poland known as the General Government. At the Conference, the Nazis claimed that they were planning to resettle some of the Jews who were living in the General Government into Ukraine, an area of the Soviet Union which Germany controlled at that time.

The Nazis claimed that the Aktion Reinhard camps were transit camps for the “evacuation of the Jews to the East,” a euphemism for the genocide of the Jews. Unlike the death camps at Auschwitz and Majdanek, the three Aktion Reinhard camps did not have ovens to cremate the bodies. The Jews were not registered upon arrival at the Aktion Reinhard camps and no death records were kept.

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Does it seem suspicious to you that the Germans went to all this trouble to transport Jews to Sobibór to be gassed when there were no real gas chambers there?  I’m talking about the type of gas chambers that used Zyklon-B. At the time that I wrote about Sobibór on my website, It was believed that the Jews had been gassed in gas chambers that used Zyklon-B.

Recently, the location of more gas chambers at Sobibór has been found. I blogged about this in this previous blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/new-evidence-of-gas-chambers-found-at-the-sobibor-camp-in-poland/

Why not just send all the Jews to Auschwitz, which was the largest railroad hub in Europe? Trains could go from anywhere in Europe to Auschwitz without changing  trains.

There were at least 5 gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

It’s  all about the Bug river, folks. I wrote about it on this previous blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/malkinia-junction-where-the-trains-to-treblinka-stopped/#more-15471

7 Comments »

  1. Auschwitz Birkenau did not become the center of mass killing until April 1943 when crematorium II finally became fully operational and continued to become more and more important through 1943. By then, most of the Jews from the Lublin District had already been killed. As a matter of fact, I have been to Sobibor. And I have seen the new excavations which have finally unearthed the main gas chamber and the “himmelstrasse”. I only linked Wikipedia because the ridiculous comment made in reply to me linked to wikipedia in order to try and claim that all of the Jews of Eastern Poland (and maybe all of Europe!) died as a result of a Typhus epidemic. Funny how it affected mostly Jews….
    Also, you say “real gas chambers”. The carbon monoxide gas chambers at the Aktion Reinhard death camps were based on the model that Odilo Globocnik used to kill thousands of handicapped and mentally disabled German citizens in the “euthanasia” campaign. He then used his “expertise” from developing gassing trucks (also used at Chelmno to kill 350,000 Jews) to build these gas chambers. The gas chambers at Auschwitz were built on a newer “more efficient” model.

    Comment by shoshanaj613 — April 2, 2015 @ 9:13 am

    • Typhus didn’t only kill jews of course. Typhus was a massive killer in many concentration camps as witnessed by the Brits after Belsen was liberated, and of course the typhus outbreak in Auschwitz which randomly chose SS personnel to kill too. You can find out how typhus killed all sorts by looking at the web site whatreallyhappened.info. It shows the details of the British decodes of the intercepts. Places like Sobibor were transit camps due exactly to their location next to the Bug river as pointed out above. No proof of mass murder has ever been found at any of these camps which of course include Treblinka. Holocaust promoters are really clutching at straws as after 70 years they cannot find the scientific proof.

      Comment by Clent — April 2, 2015 @ 9:24 am

      • I’m going to stop now because you are clearly an idiot and an anti-semite. The overwhelming amount of eyewitness accounts, including those of German soldiers and Soviet soldiers, the blue prints of gas chambers, death camps, piles of bones and ashes, piles of human hair and other personal items and lists of transports are scientific proof. Just because you say there is no scientific proof does not make that true. There is a huge amount- also including diaries (of SS men as well as Jews), letters, legal Nazi documents among many many other things. You can believe whatever you want, but that does not make it true. Why don’t you go and do good things in the world instead of trying to deny history and spread lies. Think about what you are doing and have respect for the dead.

        Comment by shoshanaj613 — April 2, 2015 @ 9:33 am

        • I am not the only “idiot and an anti-semite” who has doubts about Sobibor. Read this page on another website: http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=19

          This quote is from the website, cited above:
          “A large number of contemporary documents are brought forth which refute the Holocaust historians’ claim that the “Final solution” and “deportation to the east” were code words for mass murder. What emerges from the analysis is the picture of Sobibór not as a “pure extermination camp”, but as a transit camp from where Jews were deported to the occupied eastern territories.”

          I trust the opinion of Carlo Mattogno, who studied the Sobibor camp and wrote that it was “a transit camp from where Jews were deported to the occupied eastern territories.” When these people came back to Germany and demanded reparations, they were denied any money because they were allegedly dead, according to to the official Holocaust story.

          Comment by furtherglory — April 2, 2015 @ 10:31 am

        • I wrote this previous blog post about the Operation Reinhardt camps being transit camps: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/was-treblinka-really-a-transit-camp/

          You can also “believe whatever you want, but that does not make it true.”

          I also wrote this blog post about Treblinka, which explains a lot: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/proof-of-nazi-genocide-found-at-treblinka-its-the-pits/

          Comment by furtherglory — April 2, 2015 @ 10:47 am

    • I wrote about the gas chamber at Hartheim Castle, which was “the model that Odilo Globocnik used to kill thousands of handicapped and mentally disabled German citizens,” on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Hartheim/gaschamber01a.html

      I put a link on my blog post to the above page.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 2, 2015 @ 10:12 am

    • Ive been to Sobibor too… And the “new excavations” don’t prove anything. The whole place is about he size of a football field, and despite the celebrated “escape”, none of the “survivors” could remember exactly where the “gas chambers” were? Funny, they all remember with such clarity every guard’s name and face and the day they all met Mengele. Of course, having an enormous flat stone obelisk covering about half the place makes it rather inconvenient for ground penetrating radar but we’ll take your word for it.

      And oh by the way, wasn’t it originally claimed to be Diesel engines that did all the dirty work?

      (Awaiting the usual “you’re an anti-Semite!” response in 3…2…1…)

      Comment by Schlageter — April 2, 2015 @ 5:22 pm


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