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April 10, 2015

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  1. Back in the late 70’s to 80 or ’81,the FBI had operation rough rider. They were building a case against the Hells Angels. Their star witness was a “wanna be cop”. Convinced the FBI he could get close to the top dogs. After the arrests were made and it went to trial,they put this idiot on the stand. Damn near everything he said was a lie. Defense attorney tore him to pieces. The judge was even on the war path. The judge told the prosecuting attorney in so many words,” if that’s the best you can do for a witness,then don’t bring any into my courtroom. The Angels were convicted on a lot of the charges. A lot of charges against were dismissed due to the impotence of the federal government . Some of the jurors even said “after all the lies from the FBIs start witness,we’d feel more comfortable at a BBQ with the Hells Angels “. Both of these stories clearly show,the Feds can’t play by the rules even “if” they had to . After I read the story on the priests locked down at Dachau,I was wondering how we even got the first conviction at Nuremberg . Obfuscation was stamped all over that story. Liberated on 29 April. Investigated 5 May . Crimes occurred there. Does that not make it a crime scene.? How many people were in and out of there prior to the 5th? Picking up artifacts. Disturbing all the evidence. Military court or civilian court,makes no difference. A crime scene is a crime scene. Irony is here big time. How much of the evidence was not told truthfully or fabricated here. Part of what our nation was founded on was,” truth and justice”. Sounds to me like they just wanted a high conviction rate. They didn’t care how they got it. The trials now are starting to sound more like WW1. Bend Germany over. Don’t even use any lubricant on them. I remember back in ’69 to ’71 being in Nam. Our “90 day wonder” was forever padding our body counts . Some of the counts were laughable. There’s no way in you could tell me the big dogs in Saigon actually believed some of the numbers. It all came down to saying what everyone wanted hear. Didn’t matter if they were lies. That’s what this guy sounded like. The testimony of the Dr. And the “home movie” was pretty much it for the prosecutor when it came to the gassing situation ? If that’s all they to use, then it makes me wonder about the percentage of the convictions ,that were obtained by half ass evidence.. The Krauts that actually commited of crime were to be judged fairly . They just wanted smoke and mirrors. Take that route and pray nobody notices what your doing

    Comment by Tim — April 10, 2015 @ 5:29 pm

  2. “One evening I take 40 Radio City Rockettes on a tour of the camp. Then they come to my living quarters for cocktails and dinner. Their chaperone, a woman of about 45, tells me many stories, in a course voice. I spend most of my time with her laughing at her Bawdy jokes-not so much for the content as for the way she tells them. The Rockettes. all about the same size, have beautiful figures, but their faces don’t match their bodies. After dinner they return to Munich to perform for the American soldiers.” -Horace R. Hansen, WITNESS TO BARBARISM 2002. He served as chief prosecutor at the Dachau war-crimes trials.

    Comment by who dares wings — April 10, 2015 @ 3:00 pm

  3. “As far as I know, there were no photos or film footage, taken of the Dachau gas chamber before May 3, 1945”

    Senator of Illinois, Charles Wayland Brooks in the “gas chamber” on May 2, 1945.

    “The openings on the outside of the east wall where the gas pellets could have been poured onto the floor of the gas chamber, according to the staff at the Dachau Museum, were not shown in the film. In my humble opinion, these openings did not exist until much later when they were added by the American “liberators.”

    They do feature in Fribourg’s report, which is dated May 25, 1945 but based on his review of the premises on May 5.

    And that large crack in the wall is visible in photos taken in the days after liberation:
    https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=57518#p57518

    On the blueprints for Baracke X, the homicidal gas chamber was called a shower room,

    Really! Which one?

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — April 10, 2015 @ 1:42 pm

    • The photo of the Congressmen in the gas chamber was taken on May 3, 1945. The Congressmen wrote a report in which they stated that the ceiling of the gas chamber was 10 feet high. The Congressmen had arrived at Dachau on May 1, 1945. It is unknown whether they saw the gas chamber on their first day there, or whether they waited until May 3, 1945 by which time, the gas chamber could have been modified.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2015 @ 1:55 pm

      • No, the Congressmen visited on May 2.

        The committee [of U.S. Senators and Representatives] next visited the infamous concentration camp at Dachau, in two groups, on May 2, 1945. Dachau is located in the province of Bavaria, about 325 miles south of Berlin. The groups visited Dachau within 48 hours after its liberation by American forces.

        Atrocities and Other Conditions in Concentration Camps in Germany.
        Report of the Committee Requested by Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower Through The Chief of Staff, Gen. George C. Marshall
        to the Congress of the United States Relative to Atrocities and Other Conditions in Concentration Camps in Germany.
        79th Congress 1st Session, Document No.47
        Presented by Mr. Barkley
        May 15 (legislative day, April 16), 1945.—Referred to the
        Committee on Foreign Relations and ordered to be printed
        United States Government Printing Office
        Washington : 1945

        They didn’t write their report until they were back in DC, and in it they made real shoddy guesses at:

        1. The height of the ceiling (but Leuchter also got it quite badly wrong as well)
        2. The size of the two adjoining rooms (they claimed they were twice their actual size)
        3. The material the “shower heads” were made from: bronze instead of some form of zinc.

        But the original architectural plans and a letter written during construction state that a room on the ground floor was to have a low, thick ceiling.

        Have you not read this Mattogno article FG? It contains much new information on the Dachau “gas chamber”:

        http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3DI%2BVERBALI%2BDEGLI%2BINTERROGATORI%2BSOVIETICI&rurl=translate.google.ca&sl=it&u=http://olodogma.com/wordpress/2015/03/14/0996-carlo-mattogno-e-la-camera-a-gas-di-dachau-nuove-prospettive/

        Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — April 10, 2015 @ 3:59 pm

    • I have a photo of Charles Wayland Brooks on this page of my website:
      http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachau/GasChamberInterior.html

      This photo was taken on May 3, 1945 not on May 2, 1945. I have the same view of the gas chamber in a photo which I took.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2015 @ 2:13 pm

    • The crack in the wall, which is between the two bins on the wall, through which the Zyklon-B gas was allegedly poured, was NOT behind the wooden structure that is shown in the photos that you put up.

      Nothing is known about what was behind the wooden structure, since none of the American liberators looked behind the structure. The American liberators reported that “it was believed” that a compressor was hidden behind the wooden structure, but no one went behind the structure to see what was hidden there.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2015 @ 2:21 pm

      • I can quite clearly see it on all of the photos.

        The wooden structure is mentioned in Fribourg’s report (25 May 1945) as are the “Zyklon B flaps”.

        Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — April 10, 2015 @ 4:02 pm

        • On this page of my website http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/interior02.html I have a photo of the floor of the Dachau shower room, which is now claimed to have been a “gas chamber.” The photo shows that the shower room had a glazed brick floor, and that the room next to it, which was the morgue, had a concrete floor.

          Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2015 @ 7:55 am

        • I mentioned Captain Fribourg’s report on this page of my website: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/UndressingRoom.html

          The Dachau camp was liberated on April 29th, and Captain Fribourg did his report on May 25th, almost a month later. The American liberators might have altered the building in that space of time.

          Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2015 @ 8:07 am

          • Fribourg’s report is dated May 25th but it states that its based on his examination of the premises on May 5th.

            So

            May 2 – the Congressmen visited
            May 3 – the US Army shot footage in the “gas chamber”
            May 4 – ?
            May 5 – Fribourg visits and see the “flaps” and the corresponding grills inside the room

            Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — April 11, 2015 @ 1:41 pm

    • On the blueprints for Baracke X, the room that is now called a homicidal gas chamber, was called a shower room.

      Each of the four disinfection chambers at Dachau was called a Gaskammer, the German word for gas chamber. An order was issued from Berlin on July 23, 1942 to begin construction of Baracke X at a cost of 150,000 Reichsmark.

      The blueprint did NOT mention a homicidal gas chamber. In the 1940ies, homicidal gas chambers were unknown in Germany. America was the only place that had gas chambers. The gas chamber in Jefferson City, MO was built in 1937.

      I wrote about it on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/what-does-a-real-gas-chamber-look-like/

      Comment by furtherglory — April 10, 2015 @ 2:32 pm

      • But which blueprint?

        I’ve got copies of several, and on none of them is the room labelled as a “shower room” or anything else, the only label is to the type of flooring in the room: Klinker = paving tiles

        Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — April 10, 2015 @ 4:08 pm

        • An interesting thread ! I don’t believe that the ceiling was ever lowered and this was designed as a shower room to decontaminate ( remember that all WW2 participating nations prepared for gas and chemical warfare.). The shower heads on the ceiling attached at one time to water pipes. Later it was used as a general shower room for incoming inmates and finally in the last few months it was used as an additional morgue when the mortality rate skyrocketed . The water pipes were probably removed at this time ie late 1944.
          The “zyclon bins” are waiting to be explained. Were they just a crudely constructed simple ventilaltion method to draw cold air in at the base ; put in sometime late 1944 when the room was used as a morgue or was there some sort of pump attached to cool the interior ?

          From very early reports,

          “It really was a gas chamber, a LOW ceilinged room about 30 feet square” , Chicago Daily Times, April 30, 1945 by Howard Cowan.” This shower room was being used as a morgue at the time; Almost 100 naked bodies were stacked neatly in the barren room with cement floors. They had come from a room on the left marked “brausebad” for “shower bath.” From the story in the News York Times, April 30, 1945 by Associated Press War Writer, Howard Cowan

          Comment by peter — April 11, 2015 @ 3:22 am

          • Here is the exact quote from the article New York Times, written by Howard Cowan:

            Begin quote
            Almost 100 naked bodies were stacked neatly in the barren room with cement floors [the mortuary room]. They had come from a room on the left marked “shower bath.”

            REALLY A GAS CHAMBER

            It [the shower room] really was a gas chamber, a low-ceilinged room about 30 feet square. After 15 or 20 persons were inside the doors [of the shower room] were firmly sealed and the faucets were turned on and poison gas issued. Then the bodies were hauled into a room [mortuary room] separating the gas chamber [shower room] from the crematorium [oven room]. There were four [five] ovens with a huge flue leading to a smoke-blackened stack [on the roof].
            End quote

            You can see photos of the “smoke-blackened stack” on the roof of the Baracke X building on this page of my website: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php#comment-42392

            Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2015 @ 7:11 am

          • You wrote: “Later it was used as a general shower room for incoming inmates and finally in the last few months it was used as an additional morgue when the mortality rate skyrocketed. The water pipes were probably removed at this time ie late 1944.”

            The shower room in Baracke X was never used as an “additional morgue.” There was a small room at the end of the building, next to the oven room, which was being used as an additional morgue when the American liberators arrived.

            There were THREE rooms in Barracke X that were empty when the Americans arrived: the waiting room, the undressing room and the shower room. One of the British SOE agents, who was a prisoner at Dachau, led the American liberators to the Barracke X building, moments after they had arrived, and told them that the shower room was a gas chamber.

            Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2015 @ 7:20 am

          • I have photos, which show Baracke X and the “zkylon bins” on this page of my website:
            http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/GasChamber/history.html

            The bins are located on the outside wall of Baracke X at the spot that was hidden behind a wooden structure in front of the Baracke X building when the American liberators arrived.

            When Dachau was liberated, none of the American soldiers opened the door to see what was hidden behind the wooden structure. The door to the wooden structure was probably nailed shut. The American liberators were busy perpetrating the “Dachau Massacre” which was the name given for the killing of the German soldiers who had surrendered at Dachau.

            Comment by furtherglory — April 11, 2015 @ 7:42 am

          • I hope to find some answers to your points when someone publishes an English translation of Mattogno’s article, but from reading the original via Google Translate; I understand (perhaps mistakenly) that the room was built as a morgue according to Mattogno (and Pressac) and the “Zyklon B flaps” were installed later as ad hoc ventilation.

            Virtually all revisionists have claimed for the last few decades that the ceiling was lowered, but it wasn’t, and we’ve all assumed the Americans installed the “flaps”, but we now know they were mentioned by Fribourg in May 1945. It’s disappointing to think that Faurisson (who was citing Fribourg’s report since the ’70s) never bothered telling anybody that.

            Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — April 11, 2015 @ 1:32 pm

            • Yes. I could’ve sworn I saw something stating that the “gas chamber” room had bodies stacked inside when the Americans found it (not just the room between it and the Krema). I had to work this weekend and couldn’t get around to delving into this as I had wished. I’ve been tossing around in my head that those holes in the attic through the brick wall might have been drilled to run water pipes. I think Peter’s post above is very plausible. I have to think that over.

              Comment by blake121666 — April 12, 2015 @ 2:03 pm

  4. The Germans should have also made a shower room disguised as a gas chamber. Then at the trial it could have been said: no one ever showered in the shower room disguised as a gas chamber, and no one was ever gassed in the gas chamber disguised as shower room. There would have been a mistrial.

    Comment by eah — April 10, 2015 @ 12:02 pm


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