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April 11, 2015

The real story of the Dachau gas chamber, according to Carlo Mattogno

Filed under: Dachau, Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 11:32 am

A big THANK YOU to The Black Rabbit of Inlé, who directed me to an article about the Dachau gas chamber, written by Carlo Mattogno, who is a  famous Holocaust expert.

The article is quite long, so I am going to start by quoting from the very end of the article:

Here we come to the problem of fake showers. The sources cited above say that, originally, the showers were real. By whom and why were then installed the current fake showers?

First we must examine why these showers [at Dachau] are fake. The photograph was taken by me [Carlo Mattogno] of the Image 37 in 1990 to a shower pommel torn from the ceiling. Remains the external sheet and the center we see a circle that can be the outlet of a water pipe. The Picture 38, a photograph taken by Thomas Dalton in 2011 49, shows the recess in the ceiling that contained a pommel shower. Even here, at the center, there is a circle that looks like a metal water pipe dented.

The above quote from the article by Mattagno is followed by several photos, which look like photos that I took at Dachau and put on my website.

My photo of a "gas bin" on the outside wall of the Dachau gas chamber

My photo of the “gas bins” on the outside wall of the Dachau gas chamber

My photo of one of the "gas bins" on the outside wall of the gas chamber

My photo of one of the “gas bins” on the outside wall of the gas chamber

My photos above show the bins on the outside wall of the Dachau gas chamber, which I believe were added by the Americans after they liberated the Dachau camp.

I am very pleased that Mattogno seems to agree with me that my photos show work that was done by the Americans AFTER the camp was liberated.

Mattogno wrote the following, regarding the windows:

In this context, it remains important that the last element to be analyzed is constituted by the two windows. They were built just to pour into the room from the outside a can of Zyklon B?

It is unknown when and why they were built the two windows. Although, in principle, they can serve as devices for payment of Zyklon B, can be expressed reservations about the fact that they were conceived for this purpose.

The following quote is also from Mattogno’s article:

Even the size of the windows appear ridiculous: for what purpose to create openings in the local high70 cm? In addition, the device is quite plain compared to the estimated construction cumbersome the “gas chamber”: Zyklon-B pellets thrown on the floor, with the risk, as I explained above, that would end directly in the grids runoff.

This is similar to what I wrote on my website about the windows in the Dachau gas chamber. Putting the Zyklon-B pellets on the floor, near the drains in the gas chamber shower room, would have made it easy for the victims to push the pellets down the floor drains.

One of two huge windows in the Dachau gas chamber which was allegedly used to pour Zyklon-B pellets into the gas chamber

One of two huge windows in the Dachau gas chamber which was allegedly used to pour Zyklon-B pellets into the gas chamber

This quote is also from Mattogno’s article:

The film shot by the Americans at Dachau (Picture 45) 61 shows a fence, like a small shack on the outside of the “gas chamber”, at the two windows above. Front has amassed a huge pile of corpses. This corresponds to the description of Captain Fribourg, who, on May 25, 1945, mentioned precisely a “palisade”, inaccessible because of storage of corpses. It is worth noting that these corpses had been there for more than three weeks, since there were already April 29.

I don’t think  that the corpses were in front of the wooden structure on the day that the camp was liberated. I think that the photo of the corpses was taken a few days AFTER the liberation of the camp.

I wrote about the bodies and the wooden structure on this previous blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/07/16/wooden-enclosure-found-at-dachau-baracke-x-by-american-liberators/

In a previous blog post, I criticized Carlo Mattagno for using Eugen Siebold as a source. In this new article by Mattagno, I found the following  quote:

The declaration of [Eugen] Seibold, as regards the true showers and the new ceiling of the “gas chamber”, remains enigmatic.

One of the fundamental problems of the “gas chamber” at Dachau is the fact that, despite being allegedly completed and functional, was never used. Above I mentioned that the crown of the plant, in the perspective Holocaust, is the fence that covered the two small windows, so that prying eyes could not see the operation of the payment of cans of Zyklon B into hoppers metal. If this were true, the “gas chamber” was now ready for use. Why, then, a “gas chamber” so sophisticated and cumbersome, which was undoubtedly cost much money and labor, was never used? So far they have been provided with the most convoluted conjectures (the “sabotage” of detainees, the fear of the population of the town of Dachau, etc.), But no one has given a convincing answer.

The most convincing answer is that the “gas chamber” was never used because it was not a “gas chamber”.

What Pressac says about the behavior of Americans is more plausible. They went to Dachau with the preconception that there should be a gas chambers (as explained in my first article) and made a play of disinfestation chambers with clothes hanging in front of them and the local “Brausebad” Next, considering the documentation on Zentrallbauleitung relative the the crematorium , they realized that their representation was unfounded and then “lightened” documentation “discarding” documents that shed light on the history of the alleged “gas chamber”

When they finally deign to make public all the documentation, you can answer with certainty to all questions that I raised above.

In his article, Mattogno included a photo similar to my photo below, except that his photo is reversed. I don’t understand why he reversed the photo.

The wall of the undressing  room at Dachau shows a pipe going into the gas chamber

The wall of the undressing room at Dachau shows a pipe going into the gas chamber

13 Comments »

  1. What this report says to me is that the bodies had been STORED in the shower room/ morgue aka the ” gas chamber ” and moved by the US into the morgue next door before being moved into the yard outside in front of the palisade. I think that is an accurate description of events of April 30 /1st May 1945

    Comment by peter — April 12, 2015 @ 11:55 am

  2. Oh come on now. Col. Chavez wouldn’t lie to us. Hes the U S Army. The Army would never send us down the wrong road. Right? So this fella must be telling tall tales. He’s questioning the construction of the stalls. Like I asked. If this was “truly the real deal “. This man here is trying to do the math. Try as he may, one plus one ain’t adding up to two here. If the army had such a hardon for wanting to convict people,why didn’t they haul the contractor and architect into court and charge them? All of our boys that were murdered at Malmedy , they treated that exactly like a crime scene. Why wasnt this place blocked off and treated as such? After reading a lot of the articles here,I’m starting to question a lot of things. One thing I’m starting to question. Why did they make our boys take s tour of these camps? So they could see mans inhumanity towards his fellow man? I’m sure the brutality of their war was the same as mine was in ‘Nam. As much horror as they saw day to day,they didn’t need to drag them through that mess. I saw on tv one time the court proceedings for the defendants accused of plotting to kill uncle Adolph . This judge was tearing every one of those men a new poop chute. I think I would’ve rather been tried in that court room than Nuremberg . The courts are something else that has me scratching my head. They had such a stiffie for wanting to hand out the death penalty. I saw where a lot of these men had their sentences either reduced to time served or commuted to life. That peiper fella. He told the court he would take full responsibility for the Malmedy murders. They told him no. He got execution,about 11 years later he was paroled outta the big house. Considering how hitler bent Russia over,I don’t think they should’ve let any Ruskies into the courtroom . They ain’t gonna be impartial. I’m at the point where I’m questioning how many death camps we said the Krauts actually had. The more articles I read here,the more articles I read here . The more i question the holocsust

    Comment by Tim — April 11, 2015 @ 2:24 pm

    • You asked why the Americans did not charge the contractor and the architect of the Dachau gas chamber as criminals in the Dachau trials.

      The charges against the defendants in the Dachau trails included “killings, beatings, tortures, starvation, abuses and indignities,” but there was no specific charge of gassing the prisoners. This was in spite of the fact that a film of the Dachau gas chamber was shown on November 29, 1945 at the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal, two weeks after the Dachau proceedings began. The reason that this charge was not included was because it was not known whether any victims who might have been killed in the Dachau gas chamber were from Allied countries.

      Crimes against German citizens, and others who were not civilians or military personnel in an Allied country, were not included; it was left up to the German courts to bring charges against the concentration camp staff members for crimes against victims from non-Allied countries. The charges included only Violations of the Laws and Usages of War and not Crimes against Humanity.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 12, 2015 @ 8:26 am

      • I was kinda looking at it this way. I’m gonna juxtapose the situation next to the installation of a bladder fuel tank on private aircraft. A bladder fuel tank is a colapsable fuel tank . They come in a wide range of sizes. If you want to fly from point a to point b,but the tanks ain’t big enough to hold the fuel you need for the trip,you install a bladder tank. Drug traffickers are pretty much the only ones that don’t wanna stop for fuel. They hit their local A&P repair station to get one installed . Under the law the A&P mechanic has to make a note of it . If they don’t and the smuggler gets busted,they’ll go right down with him. That’s why I asked about the contracter and the person that designed the building. The prosecuter can’t have it both ways. He’ll have to drag the contracter into the court and ask him if the building seemed to be a bit out of the ordinary. On the other hand he can admit the contracter didn’t ask questions,because this was an actual shower room. “Prosecutorial misconduct ” is the order of the day for all

        Comment by Tim — April 12, 2015 @ 5:45 pm

      • I was kinda looking at it this way. I’m gonna juxtapose the situation next to the installation of a bladder fuel tank on private aircraft. A bladder fuel tank is a colapsable fuel tank . They come in a wide range of sizes. If you want to fly from point a to point b,but the tanks ain’t big enough to hold the fuel you need for the trip,you install a bladder tank. Drug traffickers are pretty much the only ones that don’t wanna stop for fuel. They hit their local A&P repair station to get one installed . Under the law the A&P mechanic has to make a note of it . If they don’t and the smuggler gets busted,they’ll go right down with him. That’s why I asked about the contracter and the person that designed the building. The prosecuter can’t have it both ways. He’ll have to drag the contracter into the court and ask him if the building seemed to be a bit out of the ordinary. On the other hand he can admit the contracter didn’t ask questions,because this was an actual shower room. “Prosecutorial misconduct ” is the order of the day for all people involved In wanting to shoe the nazis in nuts. When I would get into a argument over the holocsust with someone , if always say,” you can’t ignore the evidence “. Now I’m finding out all that evidence was fabricated

        Comment by Tim — April 12, 2015 @ 5:53 pm

        • You wrote: “Under the law the A&P mechanic has to make a note of it . If they don’t and the smuggler gets busted,they’ll go right down with him. That’s why I asked about the contracter and the person that designed the building.”

          If a German contractor and a building designer had been asked to design a gas chamber for the Dachau camp, they would have said “We will have to make a trip to Jefferson City, MO to see what a gas chamber, for killing people, looks like. There are no homicidal gas chambers in Germany, nor in any other country in Europe. However, we could just order some gassing machines from the Degesh company, like the machines used for disinfecting clothes. That might work, but it would be a very slow method of killing thousands of people. Why not just shoot the Jews?”

          Comment by furtherglory — April 12, 2015 @ 6:38 pm

          • You know that. A better part of your readers know that and now people like me,are starting to wake up and see. I was always taught growing up,to make my own decisions. Don’t go along with the crowd . I’ve pretty much done that. This right here I figured had to be “the real deal”. I never thought people could stoop to such lows. The one question that bothers me is,” why did we have such a hardon for wanting to squeeze Germany out of existence ?”WW1. All Wilson wanted out of the end of the war was his beloved,”league of Nations”. If he had any balls he would’ve spoke up and said,” this is wrong what y’all are doing to Germany .” Knowing what I know now,I don’t blame hitler for gettin pissed. I heard somewhere,Germany wasn’t totally rebuit until the mid ’80’s. I’m now starting to wonder if the defense attorney for the Krauts was ever given the opportunity to do “his own” investigation of Dachau. The only thing the prosecutors had was a some worthless ass home movie. I got to thinking,how far up the chain of command did this farce go? I’m pretty sure Roosevelt and Truman knew of this.. After all it was people in Washington and London that came up with this charade . I’ve heard some folks ask why we didn’t try to step in and help free he Jews.. My opinion at first was,”we needed men in the field”. Now I think back on it and my answer is,”why try to liberate people that do not exist ? The so called courtroom,was basically a joke . All the rest of us were hypocritical,condescending pricks. We prosecuted the living hell outa the Krauts , but what did we say when
            The Ruskies went on their mass sexual assault and murder spree against the people of Berlin? How come we don’t go after these other nations around the
            World that actually “do practice” genocide ? Probably cause there ain’t much in it for us. I think Churchill put it best. “In war truth is precious. It must be attended by a bodyguard of lies”

            Comment by Tim — April 13, 2015 @ 12:33 pm

  3. Thanks for the hat tip FG.

    Mattogno’s article is certainly very important because its based on documents that previously revisionists had not seen. I sincerely hope that an English translation might feature in a forthcoming edition of Inconvenient History; the machine translation from the Italian on olodogma leaves much to be desired and people are currently reading what they want into it.

    If the Americans did install the “Zyklon B introduction flaps”, then they must have done it on May 4, 1945, and patched it all up the same day. That seems very unlikely to me.

    Mattogno states (I believe) that they did not feature on any of the architectural plans, but they were installed by the Germans as ventilation windows for the morgue, that’s what the “gas chamber” was: a morgue.

    Mattogno via Google Translate:

    “the ventilation windows currently existing in the outer wall of the “gas chamber” does not appear in the plan of the crematorium. In this regard, you could make a parallel with the Leichenkeller 2 of crematorium II at Birkenau, for which, in the original plan, the project envisaged a mechanical aeration without taking a fresh air in the room. It was later opened an entrance in back of the room, not provided in the initial plans, solved that even at this lack.

    This parallel can be only partially satisfactory. The fact is however that the design and construction of the crematorium at Dachau do not know anything; the fact that now in the attic of the “gas chamber” there is only one fan does not necessarily mean that this was in accordance with the original plan, of which, I repeat, nothing is known. The logic of the plans and sections of the crematorium, photographs and architectural remains of the crematorium require the presence of two fans, one for ventilation and one de-aeration, to be placed either in the attic. Financial problems or quota allocation metal may subsequently have led the Zentralbauleitung Dachau to give up the aeration fan, making two small windows of ventilation in the room. This hypothesis is based, however, on the assumption that the blower whose empty slot appears in the Image 4 was pressing (venting) and not vacuum (aeration), which, however, as we shall see, is questionable.

    Comment by The Black Rabbit of Inlé — April 11, 2015 @ 1:17 pm

    • I agree with you that by April 1945 this room originally a decontamination shower room correctly labelled Brausebad was being used as an additional morgue.

      ” Almost 100 naked bodies were stacked neatly in the barren room with cement floors. They had come from a room on the left marked “brausebad” or “shower bath.” ,From the story in the News York Times, April 30, 1945 by Associated Press War Writer, Howard Cowan.

      The ” zyclon flaps ” were probably added in late 1944 when the room was converted to a morgue +/- a compression pump to aid in ventilation and keeping the room cool.

      Comment by peter — April 11, 2015 @ 4:54 pm

      • You quoted from Howard Cowan’s newspaper account of the liberation of Dachau: “Almost 100 naked bodies were stacked neatly in the barren room with cement floors.”

        The room with “cement floors” was the morgue room, which was right next to the shower room, which had a floor made of glazed brick. It was the shower room that is now claimed to have been a gas chamber, not the morgue room where 100 bodies were piled up.

        Back in the 1940ies, it was common for people to mistakenly call a concrete floor a “cement floor.” Cement is a powder that is used to make concrete. Back in those days, newspaper reporters had a hand book which listed common mistakes, such as calling a concrete floor a “cement floor.”

        Comment by furtherglory — April 12, 2015 @ 8:08 am

        • “They had come from a room on the left marked “brausebad” or “shower bath.””

          Comment by blake121666 — April 12, 2015 @ 2:32 pm

    • just a though BROI, do you think the flaps have been turned upside down after May 1945. It would seem logical to me that if they were ventilation flaps they would open by pulling up so opening from the bottom

      Comment by peter — April 12, 2015 @ 1:39 pm


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