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April 18, 2015

Can the Jews ever get enough revenge? NO, NO, NO, a thousand times NO!

Filed under: Uncategorized — furtherglory @ 9:57 am

Read the latest news about the trial of Oskar Groening at http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/auschwitz-bookkeeper-oskar-groening-goes-trial-germany

Auschwitz-Birkenau in the winter 2005

The remains of Auschwitz-Birkenau in the winter of 2005

I previously wrote on my blog about the Jews still wanting REVENGE,  REVENGE, REVENGE for the Holocaust: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/can-the-jews-ever-get-enough-revenge-the-john-demjanjuk-story/

That blog post was about the John Demjanjuk  case. He is now dead, but  there is a new whipping boy for the Jews to hate: Oskar Groening.

According to a news article,  which you can read in full here,

Oskar Groening, 93, a former Nazi known as the “bookkeeper of Auschwitz”, [who] goes on trial in Germany next Tuesday, is likely one of the last SS members after most escaped justice.

Some 50 Auschwitz survivors will attend proceedings as co-plaintiffs or witnesses in the trial in the northern city of Lueneburg near Hamburg.
 
A German newspaper man posed three questions about the trial to writer Christoph Heubner, vice president of the International Auschwitz Committee, who will be in the courtroom during the upcoming trial.
Quoted below is one of the questions and Heubner’s answer:
Q: This could be the last Nazi war crimes trial in Germany. How has the German judicial system dealt with bringing to justice the perpetrators?
 
A: Miserably, it’s an ongoing scandal of postwar history. In Germany a total of 43 SS men have faced court, nine received life sentences, 25 were sent to prison, and the rest were acquitted. This is out of about 6,500 people from the SS concentration camps who were alive at the end of the war. You can see that only a tiny percentage ever faced prosecution.
 
The perpetrators essentially returned to the society they came from. They disappeared back into their old neighbourhoods. For many years no one cared about what they had done. For the survivors it’s a bitter fact that there was so little interest and so little was done in bringing the perpetrators to justice.
Oskar Groening is a “war  criminal” because he did not  save the Jews in the death camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
German writer Christoph  Huebner explained it in this quote:
[Groening]  has taken a number of steps. He is a special case. He has shared much of what he saw at Auschwitz as an eyewitness. But he hasn’t dared to take the next step, he has rejected admitting his complicity in running this death factory. “I saw it, but I did not make myself culpable,” he says.
 
A small cog in a large machinery of murder also plays a role in the murders, and the court will confront him with this guilt. Whether Mr Groening will ever see a prison from the inside, whether his health permits incarceration, is secondary. The important thing is that the trial takes place.
I have written several blog posts about the Oskar Groening  case:
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/oskar-groening/
My 2007 photo of Auschwitz-Birkenau

My 2007 photo of Auschwitz-Birkenau

Hungarian Jews who were  sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau to be gassed in 1944

Hungarian Jews who were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau to be gassed in 1944

22 Comments »

  1. I came across this story today here:
    http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ex-nazi-bookkeeper-of-auschwitz-asks-for-forgiveness/ar-AAbqgga?ocid=mailsignout

    …and have to ask WHY is this man on trial? Why is Germany allowing it?!
    Hasn’t it just gone too far? What has this man done other than be a soldier on a duty that was horrible? He even bore witness on his own volition,wrote a memoir, an interview in order to keep the truth open in the face of the denial movement.
    There is a line in there that says he is guilty of murder because he was part of a system of murder. If that makes him guilty, are we not all guilty of many murders thanks to our participation in the society we live in? It’s supposed to show that the hand of justice will reach far? This is not justice. The rights of the victim should not extend so far as to inflict it’s own injustice.

    It has gone too far, just too far with this trial.

    Comment by Roos — April 22, 2015 @ 12:01 am

    • Thanks for providing this link. This quote is from the news article in the link:

      Begin quote:
      “You have to decide on my legal culpability,” Groening told the court in the northern city of Lueneburg near Hamburg.
      End quote

      He is right to point out his “LEGAL culpability.” He is alluding to the fact that he is being tried under the ex-post-facto law of common design. IOW, what he did at Auschwitz was NOT a crime at the time that his alleged crime was committed.

      If countries are allowed to make up new laws, AFTER an alleged crime was committed, that means that anyone in the world can be hauled into a German court on a stretcher, or walking with a walker, and put on trial for something that was NOT a crime when the alleged crime was committed.

      Hopefully, he will be acquitted, and his acquittal will constitute a new law that says that an “ex-post-facto” law is illegal and that it is a crime to put someone on trial for allegedly committing an ex-post-facto law.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 22, 2015 @ 11:27 am

  2. That’s not about revenge. That’s about keeping the Holomyth alive, under the spotlights. That’s why they are now reduced to sue camp cooks and guys like that.

    Similarily, while the Church kept burning alleged witches, people believed in the Devil and God. People used to think: “Why would our beloved Church burn women if witches, God and the Devil were nonexistent? That would make no sense.” Circular reasoning within a false paradigm.

    All the mock trials within the Holo-paradigm just keep that same paradigm alive and even credible for the less informed and most gullible people. So Israël is safe and free to continue its aggressive colonial policies in Palestine. Just Zionist bamboozling with unfair sacrifices on the altar of the Holohoax…

    Comment by hermie — April 19, 2015 @ 10:15 am

  3. My advice to Oskar Groenig is to declare himself guilty as charged as the law interpretation change of 2011 leaves him no alternative. This would thereby stop the show trial and disappoint the Jewish media and he can then go back to his nursing home and be left alone to die in peace . He can give a message to the internet to explain his reasons.

    Comment by peter — April 19, 2015 @ 6:03 am

    • What was the change in the law in 2011?

      Comment by furtherglory — April 19, 2015 @ 7:17 am

      • After the Demajanuk case in 2011 the Bundesrepublik applied the principal first established by the US at Dachau in 1945 of ” common purpose” to ” crimes of the National Socialists.”
        Between 1949 and 2011 the Bundesrepublik had only charged people with war crimes if their was material evidence which could and was most likely to be hearsay eye witness evidence from paid witnesses. These eye witnesses have died off so to keep the Shoa on the road the law was reinterpreted.
        In 5 – 10 years time it will again be reinterpreted to include members of the Hitler Youth on charges of ” common purpose”

        Comment by peter — April 19, 2015 @ 11:38 am

    • What was the change in the law in 2011?

      It doesn’t matter. His case is hopeless. The ‘Holocaust’ is officially enshrined fact — the Germans ran ‘death camps’ where they murdered Jews with gas etc etc. Auschwitz was one of those. You absolutely cannot dispute that, certainly not in a judicial setting. If you are accused of ‘Holocaust denial’ ,and, in your defense, introduce evidence, or a line of argumentation, that attempts to show the ‘Holocaust’ could not have happened as generally accepted, a judge in Germany will stop you in your tracks and remind you that you are again committing, right in the courtroom, the crime for which you are currently on trial.

      It is best just to preserve some sense of human dignity by remaining silent — a sign of disrespect for the proceedings.

      Comment by eah — April 19, 2015 @ 10:34 am

      • eah wrote: “It doesn’t matter. His case is hopeless.”

        I disagree on that. As I explained in my comment above, this is just theater. Groening’s ‘trial’ is just another Holo-play. For his kind contribution to the theatrical perpetuation of Israël’s founding myth, Groening will be rewarded with an acquittal (and probably also with money). No doubt about that. How will they justify Groening’s release? I don’t know. Probably with his poor health. Another great opportunity for Jews to pose as magnanimous humanists full of love and tolerance, with their usual Chutzpah and distortions.

        But Groening leaving his ‘trial’ as a free man won’t change the blind faith of Holo-believers. All what they need is a few impressive Holo-quotes they can copy-paste every time the laws of physics and the embarrassing lies told by their beloved ‘witnesses’ disturb their precious little faith and moral standards. That’s what Groening provided and will provide…

        Comment by hermie — April 21, 2015 @ 7:11 pm

        • Yes at the present the MSM are treating it with more attention than the Eichman trial 54 years ago. Today we have the BBC headlining that trains queued to get into the ” death camp”
          The Shoa will run and run. As for Groening he is playing his role as instructed and will probably be found guilty but the hand of mercy will be extended to him for his services and he will end his time in a few months in a nursing home. What a wonderful man the Jews have found .
          Of course many of his colleagues like the pitiful Irma Grese believed if they confessed to seeing gas chambers they would be acquitted. In pitiful letters written at the time she fully believed that she would be spared.The wretched Irma was born two years before the vile turncoat Groening.

          Comment by peter — April 22, 2015 @ 3:53 pm

  4. Here in the UK Lord Greville Janner the Chairman of the ” Holocaust Educational Trust ” which is the chief indoctrination tool of organised Jewry will not face charges of raping teenage boys because he is too old at 86 and showing signs of dementia . He was attending parliament until a week before the London police raided his house .

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-32360661

    When John Demjanjunk was convicted in 2011 of being an accessory to the murder of 28,000 Jews during the Second World War, Lord Janner said. ‘Today’s verdict sends an unequivocal message that the passage of time is no barrier to justice. Age or poor health cannot absolve anyone of appalling crimes.

    Comment by peter — April 18, 2015 @ 4:50 pm

  5. A coincidence; This evening in the Italian town of Varese there will be a musical event in memory of Hitlers birthday. 2. A week later at Rome Jewish Organizations had been actually (factually) banned from taking part in the celebration of the LIBERATION OF ITALY (April 25) and so the maby Jewish soldiers who fought in Italy will not be properly remembered.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — April 18, 2015 @ 12:26 pm

    • “Many” Jewish soldiers who fought? Seriously? Typically they get the goyim to do their fighting and show up later as the loyyahs and judges. Just for laughs, maybe we can compare their numbers in Allied infantry battalions vs Allied JAG units

      Comment by Schlageter — April 18, 2015 @ 3:35 pm

      • The Jewish soldiers in USA, UK, FRENCH, and other armies and the Jewish volunteers of than Palestine . JEWISH BRIGADE – perforemd their duty. I have reaseon to remembre the Kewish soldiers of the Polish army, prisoniers of war in German camps. You ought to check the facts before joking about very sad events.

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — April 18, 2015 @ 11:29 pm

        • So show me the facts, other than your “remembrances”. Show me the numbers. How many Jews per capita in infantry battalions versus non combat revenge roles such as prosecuting Germans postwar? How did you recognize the Jewish soldiers in uniform from non Jews? By their noses?

          Comment by Schlageter — April 19, 2015 @ 3:56 am

          • Jews fought in many armies in the war. As an ethnically centered group however unlike the Anglo Saxons they had a keener awareness of what benefited their own group.
            Jewish military terrorist groups flourished in Palestine and pursued a policy of murder against British personnel in Palestine. Those who were fighting in the Red army were notoriously cruel and pursued their violence post war on the innocent with an unimaginable savagery.

            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/04/good-war-better-peace/

            Comment by peter — April 19, 2015 @ 5:37 am

        • What was the “duty” of the Jewish Brigade in World War II? More than 5,000 Jews, including some from Palestine, volunteered for the Jewish Brigade of the British Army, and began fighting in September 1944. After the war, members of the Jewish Brigade went on a revenge killing spree, hunting down former German soldiers in order to torture and execute them.

          Comment by furtherglory — April 19, 2015 @ 7:29 am

          • Furtherglory wrote: “What was the “duty” of the Jewish Brigade in World War II?”

            The purpose of the Jewish Brigade – brought to life by Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky (who had also founded and led the “Jewish Legion” kicking the Turks out of Palestine during WW1) and his follower Peter Bergson – was the establisment of the state of Israël after Allied victory. During WW2, Peter Bergson and his Bergsonite agents campaigned a lot for the recognition of what they called the “Hebrew nation”, through various paper organizations. A nation needs certain attributes such as an army. The “Jewish Brigade” was supposed to provide the “Hebrew nation” with that. Bergson’s goal was the participation of the “Hebrew nation” in the post-war ‘peace conference’ as a victorious belligerent nation among the other victorious nations. With such a status, the establisment of the state of Israël would of course have been a breeze. During WW2 (in 1944, if memory serves me right), Bergson even bought the Iranian ambassy in America and he called it the Ambassy of the Hebrew nation, with the Zionist flag (i.e. today’s Israeli flag) flying high in Washington years before the actual establishment of Israëli state.

            As you can see, the duty of the “Jewish Brigade” was more symbolic than anything else…

            Comment by hermie — April 21, 2015 @ 7:42 pm

    • Liberation of Italy? Depicting the Allied invasion of Italy as a liberation, that’s laughable kosher narrative, wolfie…😉

      Comment by hermie — April 21, 2015 @ 7:16 pm

  6. We have forgiven nobody.
    We have forgotten nothing.
    We have not been deceived
    by the change of social scenery
    and political actors.

    We have a very good memory.
    We have very long arms.
    We have a severe tradition.
    Mazes of life.
    Spirals of ideas.
    Vortexes of anger.

    Comment by who dares wings — April 18, 2015 @ 11:26 am

  7. the trial in the northern city of Lueneburg near Hamburg

    Lüneberg is where Himmler died. I’m not sure why that city was chosen to hold this trial — but I would not be surprised if it is not a coincidence.

    An Israeli nursery school teacher has been suspended after making toddlers as young as three wear yellow Star of David patches to commemorate the Holocaust.

    Comment by eah — April 18, 2015 @ 10:10 am

    • Lüneburg might have been selected because it was the site of the trial of Josef Kramer, the Commandant of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, and 44 other staff members, who were brought before a British Military Tribunal on September 17, 1945. Lüneburg is a city that is a few miles north of the former Bergen-Belsen exchange camp.

      Josef Kramer and 43 others were tried at Lüneburg. They had been charged with war crimes by a British Military Court under a Royal Warrant of June 14, 1945.

      Comment by furtherglory — April 18, 2015 @ 12:02 pm

  8. The avengers are a VERY FEW (rich) Jews who imagine they might lay up stores in Heaven (or among a very few of their co-religionists, mostly each other) by prosecuting these few sods. The average Jew, though he might not feel free in saying so, is disgusted with this stuff. lt’s a “silent majority” kind of situation that the rest of us would do well to take into account.

    It is intra-group terrorism, if you will. We would all do well (and so would justice) to try to FOCUS our condemnation on those perpetrating these atrocities, and not on those (Jews and non-Jews alike) who are its victims, or targets. The perpetrators, of course, are very careful to conceal their identities from those of us who might condemn them for their actions. They’re good at that sort of thing.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — April 18, 2015 @ 10:09 am


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