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June 3, 2015

Chelmno, the little known “death camp”

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 10:12 am

Jewish headstones stacked  against the wall of a Museum a Chelmno

Jewish headstones stacked against the wall of a Museum at Chelmno [photo credit Alan Collins]

Quick! Name the six Nazi “death camps.”  Most people can easily name the most famous death camp: Auschwitz. Many people could also come up with the name Majdanek [Maidenek in German].  Holocaust experts would have no hesitation in naming the three Operation Reinhardt camps: Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec.

But what about Chelmno?

The church where Jews were held overnight at Chelmno before being killed (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

The church where Jews were held overnight at Chelmno before being killed (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

Chelmno [Kulmhof in German] was the very first death camp, so it should be a household name, but it isn’t. Why does Chelmno get no respect?  The very first gassing of the Jews took place at Chelmno.

The Chelmno death camp has historical significance because it is the first place where the Jews were gassed in the genocide known as the Holocaust, which took the lives of six million Jews. According to Holocaust historian Martin Gilbert, the “Final Solution” began when 700 Jews from the Polish village of Kolo arrived at Chelmno on the evening of December 7, 1941 and on the following day, all of them were killed with carbon monoxide in gas vans. The victims were taken on 8 or 9 separate journeys in the gas vans to a clearing in the Rzuchowski woods near Chelmno.

In his book entitled Holocaust, Martin Gilbert wrote the following:

Begin Quote:

On 7 December 1941, as the first seven hundred Jews were being deported to the death camp at Chelmno, Japanese aircraft attacked the United States Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Unknown at that time either to the Allies or the Jews of Europe, Roosevelt’s day that would “live in infamy” was also the first day of the “final solution.”  End quote

Wikipedia has a page under the title: Chelmno extermination camp

This quote is from Wikipedia: “It [Chelmno] was built to exterminate Jews of the Łódź Ghetto and the local Polish inhabitants of Reichsgau Wartheland (Warthegau).[4] In 1943 modifications were made to the camp’s killing methods, as the reception building was already dismantled.[5]”

The following quote is from a book by the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland entitled “GERMAN CRIMES IN POLAND” (Warsaw, 1946, 1947):

The ashes and remains of bones [at Chelmno] were removed from the ash-pit, ground in mortars, and, at first, thrown into especially dug ditches; but later, from 1943 onwards, bones and ashes were secretly carted to Zawadki at night, and there thrown into the [Ner] river.

[…]

In the autumn of 1944 the camp in the wood [Chelmno] was completely destroyed, the crematoria being blown up, the huts taken to pieces, and almost every trace of crime being carefully removed. A Special Commission from Berlin directed, on the spot, the destruction of all the evidence of what had been done.

The word “extermination” is routinely used to mean the killing of the Jews, mainly by gassing them to death. All over the world, people have been murdered or killed, but not the Jews. The Jews were always “exterminated,” like bugs, with a poison gas called Zyklon-B, or with carbon monoxide.

You can read the official version of the Chelmno camp at http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/ks3/the-final-solution/the-death-camps/chelmno/#.VR2zL2Z9ut8

The Chelmno Schlosslager [Castle camp] had neither prisoner barracks nor factories; it’s sole purpose was to murder Jews and Roma [Gypsies] who were not capable of working at forced labor for the Nazis.

In 1939, there were around 385,000 Jews living in the Warthegau; those who could work were sent to the Lodz ghetto where they labored in textile factories which made uniforms for the German army.

On January 16, 1942, deportations from the Lodz ghetto began; records from the ghetto show that 54,990 people were deported before the final liquidation of the ghetto in August 1944.

The Jewish leader of the Lodz ghetto, Chaim Rumkowski, compiled the lists of people to be deported, although he had no knowledge that they were being sent to their deaths at Chelmno.

The gassing of the Jews at Chelmno was carried out in two separate phases. In the first phase, between December 7, 1941 and April 1943, Jews from the surrounding area and the Lodz ghetto were brought to Chelmno and killed on the day after their arrival.

Although the Nazis destroyed all records of the Chelmno camp, it is alleged that around 15,000 Jews and 5,000 Roma, who were deported from Germany, Austria, Belgium, France, Czechoslovakia and Luxembourg, were brought to Chelmno to be killed in this remote spot.

The victims of the Nazis at Chelmno also included Polish citizens and Soviet Prisoners of War. The POWs were taken directly to the nearby Rzuchowski forest where they were shot.

Wall at the spot where Jews were buried after they were killed in the forest

Wall at the spot where Jews were buried after they were killed in the forest (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

Bodies of Jews were buried behind  the wall at Chelmno (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

Bodies of Jews were buried behind the wall at Chelmno (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

The Yad Vashem Museum in Jerusalem has a list of 12 names of children from Lidice who were sent to Chelmno, although other sources claim that the number of orphans from Lidice was far higher. These were the children whose parents had been killed when the Czech village of Lidice was completely destroyed in a reprisal action after the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich.

The foundation of the Castle where prisoners were held at Chelmno

The foundation of the Castle where prisoners were held at Chelmno (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

The first phase of the liquidation of the Lodz ghetto began on June 23, 1944 and continued until July 14, 1944. Records kept by the Judenrat (Jewish leaders) in Lodz show that 7,716 Jews left the ghetto during this period of time.

Upon arrival at Chelmno, the Jews from Lodz were told that they were going to be taken to Germany to remove the rubble from the streets of German cities following the Allied bombing raids. Instead, they were loaded into vans and killed with carbon monoxide from gasoline engines. What a waste of manpower!  The German women had to remove the rubble.

In August 1944, the remaining Jews in the Lodz ghetto, except for a few who hid from the Nazis, were sent to either Chelmno or Auschwitz. A few who were sent to Auschwitz survived only because the gassing operation there stopped at the end of October 1944.

Monument to the Jews who were killed at Chelmno (Photo credit: Alan Collins)

Monument to the Jews who were killed at Chelmno (Photo credit: Alan Collins)

The Chelmno Granery (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

The Chelmno Granery (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

The Jewish workers, called the JudenKommando, who did the work of burning the corpses at Chelmno, were housed in the granary during the second phase of the killing at Chelmno. The granary is shown in the background of the photo above.

On the night of January 17 and 18, 1945, the SS men began taking the 47 Jewish workers out of the granary building and shooting them in groups of five, according to the two survivors, Shimon Srebnik and Mordechai Zurawski. The Jews defended themselves and two of the SS men were killed. According to the survivors, the SS men then set fire to the granary.

Monument to the Jews who were killed at Chelmno

Monument to the Jews who were killed at Chelmno (Photo Credit: Alan Collins)

21 Comments »

  1. How comes the Jews don’t ever try to horn in on “Pearl”? I mean it seems they always want to have the spotlight. It seems like they would cry that 07 December is overshadowing when the eradication program first started. I also noticed you said records were destroyed at this prison,so nobody has an accurate count of the lives lost there. I find it hard to accept that was “the only time”,they destroyed the paper trail. The Mafia and Nazis are alike in the respect they’re both cocky.? Smart,but cocky. The Mafia figured out,you don’t keep any written records anywhere that damn a person. I’m kinda thinkin the nazis thought along the same lines. That’s one thing I’ve seen on here. No matter which side you fall to on this subject,both sides always insist on numbers. Like I said,if they destroyed documents at this prison,what’s to say this didn’t happen at other prisons. It’s gonna make it hard to get any accurate numbers. Given the age of the survivors,isn’t think they can recall any numbers. I heard one time there was a navy man at the Hanoi Hilton. He memorized the names and branch of service of all the POWs there . Then again all the POWs there,weren’t even a drop in the bucket with general population at the nazi prisons. So right there it would be impossible to keep track of the names of the inmates.

    Comment by Tim — March 18, 2016 @ 4:41 pm

  2. If the granary was burnt down, what’s it doing in the picture?

    The children from Lidice weren’t Jewish, nor their parents.

    Comment by Jett Rucker — June 4, 2015 @ 2:45 pm

    • You inferred that the children from Lidice were Jewish because I mentioned Yad Vashem. If you read the text again, you will see that I did NOT say that any of the children from Lidice were Jewish.

      The subject of the granary is tricky. The photo shows that the granary is still there.

      I wrote, on my blog: “On the night of January 17 and 18, 1945, the SS men began taking the 47 Jewish workers out of the granary building and shooting them in groups of five, according to the two survivors, Shimon Srebnik and Mordechai Zurawski. The Jews defended themselves and two of the SS men were killed. According to the survivors, the SS men then set fire to the granary.”

      Note that I wrote that the information about the granary being set on fire was given by two of the SURVIVORS of the incident in which the SS men were shooting the last remaining Jewish workers. I don’t believe that the Jewish workers were shot; I believe that this whole incident was a lie.

      I should have explained on my blog post that I don’t believe that this incident actually happened. The proof that it didn’t happen, and that the two survivors were lying, is that the granary did NOT burn, as they testified.

      Comment by furtherglory — June 5, 2015 @ 7:21 am

  3. We humans have to learn to get rid the level of hatred for our neighbour. just because they are different from us. If Jews were telling tales then I am reminded again by the human brutality of similar kind at “The Rape of Nanking”, The Rwanda genocide, The Slovakia genocide, The Armenian genocide and now the hatred towards the Rohangs in Burma who has the citizenship of that country. These are not tales but demonstrative of the evil in all of us. Today the ISIS too had thrown gays from high buildings. These are not tales.

    Comment by Aravin — June 4, 2015 @ 2:34 am

    • We question the historical accuracy of this event and we’re labeled racist hate mongers. Nobody wants to ask why we disagree with the way history has been recorded. It ain’t got nothing to do with racism. I’ve lived in south Florida before. Retirement central for the. Quite a few of the Jews held the opinion they were superior to the blacks. After the blacks it was Cubans. Before the jews start flinging the word racist and hate around,they need to look inside their own ranks.

      Comment by Tim — June 4, 2015 @ 8:05 am

      • This quote about Chelmno is from Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che%C5%82mno_extermination_camp

        Begin quote:
        The murdered came chiefly from Łódź and the surrounding area, along with Romani from Greater Poland. But Jews from Hungary, Bohemia, Moravia, Germany, Luxemburg, and Austria were also transported to Chelmno via the Łódź Ghetto, and Soviet prisoners of war were killed there. The camp killed most of the victims by the use of gas vans. It was a center for early experimentation and development of methods of mass murder, some of which were applied in later phases of the Holocaust.[7]
        End quote

        Note that “Jews from Hungary, Bohemia, Moravia, Germany, Luxemburg, and Austria were also transported to Chelmno via the Łódź Ghetto”

        Chelmno did not have a proper “gas chamber”. The Jews were allegedly killed in “gas vans.” To me this is a clue that they were not killed, but were transported in vans to a railroad station, from where they were “transported to the east.” To me, it doesn’t make any sense to send people to a place, way out in the boondocks, to kill them in “gas vans.” You have to remember that the Germans were very smart, and very advanced technically.

        Comment by furtherglory — June 4, 2015 @ 8:31 am

        • This is where nothing makes sense about all of this. It takes some serious scratch to wage a war. They don’t come cheap. I imagine if you want to take the war and camps,juxtapose them, a bigger percent of the cash is gonna be spent on the military. At the same time building and staffing these camps aint gonna be cheap. Why would you wanna dump money into that when your military needs it to keep moving forward? Another thing that bothers me. I’ve seen the mass graves with flesh and bones humans in them,but what happened to all the bodies that were reduced to just bones? I don’t care what anyone says,it ain’t gonna be easy to stash all those bones. Another thing ( sorry,but long as I have your attention I’m gonna ask). I read something that said “3 million” soviet POWs were bumped off too. If that’s case,where the hell are their bodies.? How come nobody ever mentioned the gays,gypsies or mentally incompetent when all these trials started? Oops! My bad! The Jews are far superior to those lower life forms. I know there were other trials besides these. What was that ol boys name? Joachim Peiper? As the enemy I don’t like that guy. That man right there is the epitome of the 2 words,” cowboy up”. From what I heard he was right up front with the court. They said he told the courts,”I’ll take the heat for everything. Want someone to hang,let it be me. Just leave my men out of this. They were following my orders”. I admire the hell outta him. Standing up to protect his men,even when he knew they’d hang his ass. He was the enemy,but I’ll give that man credit for those actions

          Comment by Tim — June 4, 2015 @ 10:02 am

        • These “gas vans”? Are they the same as “ghost vans”. Not one of these infernal machines has ever been discovered anywhere on the continent following the war. Moreover, as described by “witnesses” they could not, except under the most extraordinary of circumstances, have been killing machines. First, they are usually described are Diesel powered vehicles. The inner workings of a Diesel internal combustion engine are quite difference from engines operating with gasoline (petrol). The latter’s fuel air mixture is ignited by a spark plug. The combustion is incomplete and results in the production of carbon monoxide. In a Diesel engine the fuel air mixture is oxygen rich and the mixture self ignites because of the much higher compression and the combustion is more complete. The exhaust of a Diesel engine although stinky and sooty contains little if any CO, (carbon monoxide) but does contain considerable O[subscipt2] (Oxygen). Even more important is the fact that connecting the exhaust pipe, whether a Diesel or petrol fueled internal combustion engine into a hermetically sealed box makes the engine inoperable. (Is it only in America that pranksters years ago (the 40s) rendered their victims’ automobiles by jamming potatoes into their exhaust pipes.) In the case of gas vans, if the engine was operating and the exhaust was deflected into the “hermetically” sealed box, either the engine would sputter to a stop or the box would explode. What makes this whole idea of gas van so inane in that cramming 60 to 80 persons into a hermetically sealed box for 15 minutes there would no need for the introduction of any engine exhaust. The “victims” (in pitch black, now in a state of hyperventilating panic would deplete the oxygen and die of apoxia within the time frames aid to have been the gassing process as a result. There would be no need for a Rube Goldbergian designed “gas van”.
          In Holocaust Handbook Series — Volume 26, Santiago Alvarez and Pier Marais do an outstanding job of pretty much demolishing of the gas van scenarios as a method of mass murder. By all rights the gas van myths should be re-designated from proper history to propagandist hysteria along with the soap made from the rendered fat of roasted Jews, lamp shades and “leather goods” made from the flayed bodies of murdered Jews; the homicidal gas chambers of Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen Belsen; burning trenches(Wiesel) or pits (Hilberg)at Birkenau 6 feet deep where the water table hardly more than half as deep and in spring time is often above ground level! (Routledge – Holocaust Highpriest p.123,124)

          Comment by shafarnullifidian — June 5, 2015 @ 4:38 pm

  4. It would really help if those who are steeped in the religion of Holocaustianity could provide a forensically and verifiably documented name of one, just one person exterminated in a homicidal gas chamber or (gas van) at Auschwitz I, Auschwitz Birkenau, Auschwitz Monowitz, Majdanek, Chelmno, Sobibor, Belzec, or Treblinka.
    With 100s of tons, yes, tons of document, records, files, diaries seized by the the Allies in the closing days of the WW II, no one has ever produced even one documented name of even one person of any race, creed, color, sexual orientation, or political persuasion executed by National Socialist Germany in a homicidal gas chamber [or homicidal gas van] at any of the above named alleged “death camps”.

    Comment by shafarnullifidian — June 3, 2015 @ 6:25 pm

    • Well. That’s one I never thought of. Meticulous as the Krauts were about keeping records,you’d figure somewhere there has to be something. I never gave the tatts much thought. I looked it up. Said they were to Id the Hebs. If that’s the case,wouldn’t there be a file somewhere on each one?

      Comment by Tim — June 3, 2015 @ 6:47 pm

  5. As long as we’re on the subject of hate and how the Jews have been woefully f**ked over,let’s talk about irv Rubin and his little girlfriend Earl krugel. They thought they were billy badass. On the streets they were 2 tough talkin jews of the JDL. LOCKDOWN TIME! Federal government is gonna put them up at one of their many locations for the Graybar Hotel. These two simpletons thought they could blow up a mosque in culver city and send explosives to U S Rep Darrell Issa. Earls pussy ass runs his mouth to a FBI CI. Said he’s gonna blow up “their filthy mosque”. As far as sending a bomb to representative of the U S government. The Feds have no sense of humor when it comes to that. Turns out Rubin had a bad reaction to incarceration. He couldn’t handle it so he slit his throat. His girlfriend made out a bit better. He made it to Phoenix FCI. He lasted 3 days. Third day an AB got to him. Seems the AB picked up a brick and did some cosmetic surgery on earls face. Poor baby. His stupid whore wife was cryin a river to the Feds. Boo hoo. Why was he on the yard when an AB was present? Someone forgot to tell her,the Feds don’t give a shit. Unless a specific threat was made against Earl,then she’s on her own. From where I stand the top dogs in the AB knew Earl was on his way,so they put out a price on his head. All of this happened because jews are oh so abused. They never wrong anyone. Please. Hope those 2 are enjoying hell.

    Comment by Tim — June 3, 2015 @ 2:43 pm

  6. To start with,who the hell do you think you are! My moma was raised in depression era Alabama . The Klan ran Alabama then ! My moma told me one time about seeing that hate first hand. A black man swinging from a hangmans finest noose. I grew up in Orlando in the 60’s. Sure as shit wasn’t fantasy land then . Hear people talk about,” huntin nigras” on a Saturday night. I don’t even want to think about the hate I saw towards people based on their race when I went to ‘Nam. If uou and the Jews don’t like me questioning the holocaust,you can go to hell. Oops ! I forgot . Jews are already going to hell. That’s quite clear in the bible. Book of John. “No one comes unto my father except through me”.Guess what sugar britches? I’ll be damned if anyone is going to tell me I can’t have free speech or thought. I come from a military family. I fought in a war that dealt with these freedoms. Grandparents,cousins uncles. Some fought in wars for these freedoms too. Some died for these freedoms. Uncle Ralph fought in the European theater. Uncle Ralph died there too! He died fighting so people could be free. You wanna know pisses me off? The Jews get pissed because we question the holocaust. Guess what Peggy Sue ? You and the Jews can f**k yourselves. Far as I’m concerned,yall are shittin on my uncles memory. That shit don’t fly with me. He fought against that shit. Now you’re gonna tell me I can’t think that way? KISS MY RED,WHITE AND BLUE ASS ! Anybody wants to call me on that,not a problem. I’ll glady give them my address. They’ll find out I am the textbook example of, the first and second amendment of the Bill of Rights. It’s demonstrable,you’re probaly some bitch ass liberal. The very second the wolves are at the door,you cry to people like me. ” please,please. Save me soldier man. They’re gonna hurt”. The f**ked up part there,I’d do it. I was trained to fight for those who can’t . My belief is the same now as it was when I first joined the long line of my brothers in arms. NO ONE,will hurt you on my watch! The countries that have the crybaby laws where you don’t speak out against the holocaust,should all burn. They’re not doing shit to honor the memory of those fine men that died trying to free them. They’re no more than selfish candy ass f**ks. I wish the hell the Krauts would’ve taken them over. I drank the “kool aid” at one time. Then I saw the outright lies the Jews are spreading. Yeah I got plenty to back me up too. You wanna hurl quotes Sally girl? Okay. “We are never deceived. We deceive ourselves.” For the record,people still question the theory of relativity and his theory of gravity. You wanna play egghead scientist? Okay. Let me know when you’re ready to discuss the existence of time and if it’s even relative. Yeah. It involves a lot of philosophy. Ya forkin troglodyte.

    Comment by Tim — June 3, 2015 @ 1:16 pm

  7. The reason the word “Extermination” versus killed is that Jew were targeted for Extermination….and not only by gas, about 40% of those who were murdered faced the Einsatzgruppen Mobile killing Squads… While in war people are killed from bombs etc… “Collateral Damage” the aim of such are not to systematically killing or elimination of a people, specifically woman and children. As Eichmann would later testify…even the most hardened German SS officers had difficulty with the actual extermination but the feeling was that this was hard work future generations wouldn’t have to do. Sick and depraved yes. Nazism was a sick ideology!

    Some of the more interesting things about Eichmann’s testimony was that many German Officers acknowledged the depravity of the final solution. He would comment during his interrogation that those members of the Einsatzgruppen were in fact sadistic, and feared that one day these men would return to Germany and become violent criminals.

    Eichmann would confirm much that you seek to deny. Said it once and I’ll say it again for you to be correct would require a lot of people, Holocaust Survivors, Captured German SS Officers, allies who liberated the camps, remaining physical evidence and population data to all be wrong. Reminds me of an old Einstein quote (Hitler’s #1 Enemy). …When confronted that a group of Stooge Nazi Scientists determined that the majority of scientists did not believe Einstein’s Theory of Relatively was sound science. Einstein would reply why so many, if I’m wrong it will only take one. In the case of the Religion of Holocaust Denierism – the facts to which Eichmann and others have testified that the atrocities committed by the Nazis did happen, if only one of them is telling the truth…everything you are trying to do in your deniarism is WRONG!

    Of course, I often wonder if that even matters, for your hate of Jewish people is probably such, where the problem with the Holocaust is that the German’s didn’t finish the job, but I admit that’s conjecture.

    Comment by Numbercruncher Jones — June 3, 2015 @ 10:47 am

    • Thanks for writing a short comment, to which others can respond.

      Regarding the term “extermination” this is the Holocaust Believer’s word for the German word “ausrotten.”

      Heinrich Himmler made that clear in a famous speech that he made. His speech is always cut off in mid sentence, but I have quoted it on my website.

      Begin quote:
      I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that’s easy to say: “The Jewish people will be exterminated” , says every Party comrade, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program: elimination of the Jews, extermination ; that’s what we’re doing.” And then they all come along, these 80 million good Germans, and every one of them has his decent Jew. Of course, it’s quite clear that the others are pigs, but this one is one first-class Jew. Of all those who speak this way, not one has looked on; not one has lived through it. Most of you know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when 500 lie there, or if 1,000 lie there. To have gone through this, and at the same time, apart from exceptions caused by human weaknesses, to have remained decent, that has made us hard. This is a chapter of glory in our history which has never been written, and which never shall be written; since we know how hard it would be for us if we still had the Jews, as secret saboteurs, agitators, and slander-mongers, among us now, in every city — during the bombing raids, with the suffering and deprivations of the war. We would probably already be in the same situation as in 1916/17 if we still had the Jews in the body of the German people.
      End quote

      It is clear from this speech that Himmler used the verb “ausrotten” to mean EVACUATE, not to KILL. The Jews were EVACUATED to the camps, and that is why we have so many survivors out on the lecture circuit today, telling their story of why they weren’t killed.

      David Irving became one of the first Holocaust deniers when he translated the word “ausrotten” to mean “get rid of,” instead of “to kill.”

      If “ausrotten” means to kill, why weren’t the Jews all killed?

      Comment by furtherglory — June 3, 2015 @ 11:34 am

      • Right on FG ! Part that pisses me off is this. Why are we called racist if we question holocaust? If they wanna see pure hate towards the Hebs,look no further than the ABs. They’d kill a couple jews,get ready for bed and sleep with no problems.

        Comment by Tim — June 3, 2015 @ 1:43 pm

      • Ausrotten means to eliminate, root out ,deal with , . When Himmler said he wanted to eliminate Jewry he used the word ausrotten. Holocaustians gave it the post war meaning of to exterminate or kill.

        Comment by peter — June 3, 2015 @ 5:29 pm

    • remaining physical evidence

      What would be the specific “physical evidence” of mass killing of Jews via Zyklon-B gas?

      Also: What happened to the bones of all those gassed Jews? Cremation does not destroy bones. Burning in open air — all but impossible to any degree of completeness, but also said to have been done on a large scale (after digging the bodies out of the wet ground, no less) — most certainly does not.

      your hate of Jewish people

      The usual canard/non sequitur/red herring/ad hominem (take your pick) — questioning the ‘Holocaust’ is the same as anti-semitism. Give it a rest.

      Comment by eah — June 3, 2015 @ 12:33 pm

    • By the way. Stop crying over the Jews . Tell the jews to quit being greedy peices of shit. Tell them to get the f**k outta the limelight. Genocide is going on right now as we speak. The Montagnards. Southeast Asia. I met a couple when I was in country. Damn fine people. They don’t run from a fight. They’ll run towards it. Well now Hanoi has a price on their head. I gave a man who works for me. 100% Mayan. Turns out the asshole running the show in Guatemala,hates Mayans. This man fled his homeland. He can’t go back. You know what that means? He couldn’t give his daughter away at her wedding. He has a grandson that he’ll never get to say “I love you” to. He’ll never get to teach his grandson how to skip a rock across the water or show him how to catch that 5lbs. Bass. For the record Beth,this came “from him”,not me. So tell the Jews to quit being crybabies. Shut the f**k up so people that are deserving of their plight,can be recognized.

      Comment by Tim — June 3, 2015 @ 1:35 pm

    • Have the millions of witnesses speaking about flying saucers, ghosts, yetis, bigfoots, withcraft, trolls, elves, dragons, Marian apparitions, Moses parting the Red Sea, the Belzec electrocution death chambers, etc. successfully proved one of those things?

      In their Nuremberg ‘report’, the Soviets had gathered around 100 testimonies about the Germans perpetrating the Katyn massacre. Were they all wrong ? Yes, they were…

      Comment by hermie — June 3, 2015 @ 7:04 pm

      • Don’t let the jews tell you Elvis is dead. He ain’t. He works at Taco Johns up in town. I’m sorry about that. This all becoming so absurd. Seriously. The Jews would make good fiction writers. For that matter,comedian writers. Hollywood is calling them. Also. You can’t trust anything that a Ruskie says

        Comment by Tim — June 3, 2015 @ 7:25 pm

    • Eichmann also testified about witnessing gassings with the engine of a captured Russian submarine. I could point out to you the various reasons why that wouldn’t make sense (no Russian submarine was ever captured, diesels are useless for gassing, practical issues), but you already have a closed mind. The Holocaust story of gas chambers is the adult version of Santa Claus, except people are never told adults made it up. So adults refuse to believe they’ve been tricked, it would shake their whole belief system. It is safer, more comfortable to keep believing the lie. Religion works much the same way.

      Comment by Question everything — July 30, 2015 @ 5:16 am


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