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July 4, 2015

10,000 people per day now visit Auschwitz and take photos with a selfie stick

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 10:24 am
Ruins of a gas chamber at Auschwtiz-Birkenau (click on the photo to enlarge)

Ruins of gas chamber III at Auschwtiz-Birkenau (click on the photo to enlarge)

The first time that I visited the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, in September 1998, I was the only person there and my Jewish tour guide would not let me get off the main road in the camp because she said that there were snakes in the grass.  She meant real snakes, not Nazis who might be lurking there, ready to throw me into a gas chamber.

Now there are 8,000 to 10,000 people per day walking through Auschwitz-Birkenau, and there might be a real danger of being trampled to death.

Today, I read a news article here which told about how tourists take selfies with a “selfie stick” at Auschwitz. Is taking a selfie with a “selfie stick” worse than taking one with just a hand held device?

I have no objection to using a “selfie stick” if one is so inclined; my concern is with the description of the “crematorium” near which these photos were being taken.

This quote is from the news article:

A couple of weeks ago, I stood before a crematorium at Auschwitz-Birkenau and listened to the tour guide talk about the sonderkommandos. The sonderkommandos, he explained quietly, were the prisoners tasked with removing dead corpses from the gas chambers – after the victims had been showered with cyanide and choked to death – and then with hurling them into ovens or onto piles of other lifeless bodies and burning them to ash. The sonderkommandos, who sometimes found their own family members in the heaps, would be killed off and then replaced to prevent their gruesome stories from circulating to others in the camp. I stood there and listened, catatonic and sick to my stomach, perturbed by the lush green fields and flowers growing along the perimeter of the gas chamber.

The description of the “lush green fields and flowers growing along the perimeter of the gas chambers” identifies this location as being in the Auschwitz II camp — Auschwitz-Birkenau. But the quote starts out by referring to a “crematorium”, not a gas chamber.

There were TWO underground rooms in each of the alleged gas chamber buildings at Birkeanau: an undressing room and a gas chamber. There was no crematorium. As far as I know, the bodies had to be stored outside in the snow, while they were being burned in the ovens a few at a time.

The quote from the news article then continues with this:

But what disturbed me just as much was the tourist I saw tiptoeing his way into the ruins of the gas chamber – which at this point looks like little more than volcanic rubble because the Nazis bombed it to erase evidence before they retreated. Selfie stick in hand, this guy was taking photos of himself in the remains of the crematorium where hundreds of thousands of people were murdered.

The “crematoria” in all the gas chamber buildings at Birkenau were underground. Several people have climbed down into one of the so-called gas chambers, which was in a separate room, but it is completely dark and there is no room for a “selfie stick.”

I think that the author of this article is confused. She obviously meant that tourists are walking down into the former undressing rooms at Birkenau and taking selfies, not into one of the gas chambers.

My photo at the top of this page shows the ruins of the gas chamber in Krema III, which was underground, but the ruins can be accessed now.

Another view of the ruins of the gas chamber in Krema III at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Another view of the ruins of the gas chamber in Krema III at Auschwitz-Birkenau

I suspect that tourists are actually climbing down into the ruins of one of the undressing rooms, not into the ruins of a gas chamber.

Ruins of undressing room in Krema III at Birkenau

Ruins of undressing room in Krema III at Birkenau

36 Comments »

  1. Dear Furtherglory and Mssrs eah, hermie, tim, schlageter & C.
    I had been just nine years old at the moment of Liberation and since then I wanted to know why and how events could occure. I realized soon that the Shoah and WWII have almost the same origins. It had been impossible for me to write my doctor thesis on the economical and social causes of WWII as the professor was Fanfani, a well known antisemite. The desaster and suicide of Europe started with WWI, had been made worse with the foolish Versailles Treaties and the establishment of new states in East and Central Europe which broke down former long lasting economical and social relationships. Those new states could not sell their agricoltural product on the empowerished markets of Gernany and Austria while German Industry could not sell on its former East European markets. Meanwhile the hatred propaganda enjoied the free speech. Hitler and other dictators rose on power while the western democratic governments considered their racial discrimination laws and practises as their internal affairs. With the outbroke of WWII the Shoah became worse and worse and the large Jewish comunities of Central and East Europe disapeared; that is the main fact. The fault finding discussions on this and other sites cannot reach any conclusion as the Nazis had been able to keep secret – much better than certain democratic goverments – so on their general projects as on details. The trials at Nurenberg and others are poor sources for fact finding. I believe that German scholars are doing the best work on this field. Furthermore I had been faced – and angered – with questions like: Why had not been any resistance – uprising? Someone who stood safe in USA or elsewhere can easily ask such questions. Who stood in face of Eichnìmann and his staff trying its best to save what possible in that moments has an other opinion. Instead of discussing the past look at Greece where the leftwing government is supported by the greek neonazis and to ISIS which let shoot prisionies by little boys following the way of Hitler who in the last months called to the battle even joungster of 14 or 15 who lost their lives. What about CIA and NSA working like the GESTAPO or even better? Wishing a good vacation good bye.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 6, 2015 @ 8:30 am

  2. 10,000 each day? Whoever came up with that number,needs to put down the crack pipe. Disney studios California has about 20,000 people a day. Sea World here in Texas has about 20,000 people a day. Six Flags Over Texas has 5,500 per weekday and 15,000 on the weekend days. This place here. 10,000 a day. Gimme a break. The logistics alone,would kill that place. More BS lies.

    Comment by Tim — July 4, 2015 @ 4:20 pm

  3. In 1992 the then Italian member of the International Auschwitz Comitee explained his view that in and around the Camp strict silence ought to be kept for the due respect as Auschwitz belongs to all nations. This had been the opinion of a victim who stood there.
    Now this place of sorrow had become a tourist center with all the noise my friend – late Emilio Foà – wanted to avoid.

    Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 4, 2015 @ 11:22 am

    • 10,000 people

      What was that Wolf? About half a day’s gassing back then?

      Comment by eah — July 4, 2015 @ 1:39 pm

      • What do You mean? Who really passed in such tragedy feels painfully when recalling events and wants respecfully silence, When I met last time my friend – late Emilio Foa – we discussed about the need to establish an international protected status for Auschwitz just in order to avoid the transformation in a sightseein tour destination. Before visiting Auschwitz, Dachau , Bergen Belsen and any ther site of sorrow people ought to study history of, at least, WWI and WWII. Clear?

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 5, 2015 @ 12:22 am

        • You know darn well what I mean, Wolf — don’t play the Dummkopf. I’m referring to the claims made about how many were gassed each day, especially during peak periods (eg the Hungarian Jews), when –we are supposed to believe — the gas chambers were operating day and night. Since a gas chamber could supposedly hold approx 2000 people, and a gassing took no more than half an hour, then 10,000 would be about the number they could gas in half a day, right?

          Comment by eah — July 5, 2015 @ 2:34 am

    • “in and around the Camp strict silence ought to be kept for the due respect as Auschwitz belongs to all nations.”

      So biblical…😉

      No need to wonder any longer why a certain race of mystical alien wackos created so many religious myths.

      Comment by hermie — July 4, 2015 @ 3:37 pm

      • You lack of any respect for tragical events. It seems strange but we know that there had been SS men who asked to be destinated for battle units as they were horrified about things going on in Auschwitz. Requests turned down – service at Auschwitz is battle service – in order to avoid rumors even in the SS about Gas Chambers and Crematoria. In that criminal system everyone had to perform his task without asking questions about the entire project of extermination,

        Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 5, 2015 @ 12:29 am

        • Wolf, again here you show your self-delusion and dishonesty. We all have respect for “tragical events”; what we don’t respect are phantasmagorical tales of nonsense — events that could never have happened in the way claimed, because it’s physically impossible, and there is no physical/forensic evidence for it — and never has been.

          Make a note of this.

          Comment by eah — July 5, 2015 @ 2:45 am

          • Careful, or Wolf’s memory is gonna get foggy again.

            Comment by Schlageter — July 5, 2015 @ 6:49 am

            • What do you mean? I simply ask for the due respect at sites where tragical events occured. Clear?

              Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 5, 2015 @ 7:33 am

              • For the record: I agree with you that people should behave appropriately — with “due respect” — when visiting Auschwitz. However, I think we have vastly different ideas about what “tragical events” happened there.

                Comment by eah — July 5, 2015 @ 7:47 am

                • We have not different ideas but different knowledge and interest concerning events occured at Auschwitz, Dachau, Bergen Belsen, Stalingrad, Normandie, Workutka, and other tragical sites of WWII. I simply want to know and remember where and why the large Jewish comunities of Central and East Europe disappeared. A question You clearly do not care nor can answer consistently. Designers and makers of the Gas Chambers clearly kept the secret of all technical details and now are not available for evidence any more. Many SS Comanders of the AKTION REINHARD commited suicide before being captured at War End. A grandson of Auschwitz Comander Hoess call for action in order to avoid that things occure again. I think that the present discussion is at end.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 5, 2015 @ 10:41 am

                • Re this

                  A grandson of Auschwitz Comander Hoess call for action in order to avoid that things occure again.

                  it should be said: it’s against the law to say too publicly that you do not believe the conventional ‘Holocaust’ story. Should they decide to go after you, there is no defense, and you can go to jail for years. Not many people are willing to risk that.

                  What kind of “action”? More laws restricting freedom of speech? More reasons to put people in jail?

                  Comment by eah — July 5, 2015 @ 1:32 pm

                • “Designers and makers of the Gas Chambers clearly kept the secret of all technical details and now are not available for evidence any more.”

                  That made me think about the surreal interview of Dr Viktor Brack at Nuremberg. When asked legitimate questions about the technical aspects of the nonexistent Nazi homicidal gas chambers, the former “organiser of the Euthanasia Programme” who had been “responsible for the gassing of Jews in the extermination camps” was completely at a loss. Brack had blatantly accepted to sing the victors’ song in ‘court’ but he was not very good at inventing details crediting ‘his’ story.

                  https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8369

                  Comment by hermie — July 6, 2015 @ 2:57 am

                • Brack had blatantly accepted to sing the victors’ song in ‘court’…

                  If so, in the end it didn’t do him much good — they executed him anyway.

                  BTW, the Wikipedia page on Brack has this quote from some Jew: „Brack und seine Mitarbeiter hatten den fabrikmäßigen Massenmord erfunden.“ For a guy who supposedly invented ‘mass murder on an industrial scale’, per his testimony (see link above) he seemed to remember remarkably little about the details of that.

                  You really cannot make this stuff up.

                  Comment by eah — July 6, 2015 @ 6:02 am

                • Here is a foto of Brack about to mount the gallows.

                  Comment by eah — July 6, 2015 @ 6:07 am

                • “If so, in the end it didn’t do him much good — they executed him anyway.”

                  That was often so. The safest way to avoid later recantations. Did Brack hope that his ‘confession’ would save his life? Or was his family’s safety (instead of being turned to the Soviets) enough for him? I don’t know.

                  Comment by hermie — July 6, 2015 @ 7:30 pm

          • Mr/Herr eah! When replying to Your comments on other posts of this site I expressed my views in my poor English but with polite expressions. Here I find terms like “dishonesty” and “self-delusion” or accuses to “play the Dummkopf”. I simply state that sites of tragical events deserve respectfull visits and should not become destinations for sightseeing tours of ignorant tourists who know nothing about the historical background of Nazism, WWI, WWII, economical and social conditions of Central and East Europe beween WWI and WWII, etc. When You speak of “phantasmagorical tales of nonsense” Holocaust deniers like You fail to answer the question: Where and how did disapear the large Jewish Comunities of Central and East Europe?

            Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 5, 2015 @ 7:49 am

            • “Holocaust deniers like You fail to answer the question: Where and how did disapear the large Jewish Comunities of Central and East Europe?”

              And where did the Burmese Jewish community (80% missing in 1945) disappear after WW2 and the Japanese occupation of Burma? I don’t know. And you don’t know either, wolfie. But they were not mass murdered. They merely moved away and then disappeared without leaving a trace. Wanderers wander, wolfie. C’est la vie. Get used to it.

              https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=68386#p68370

              Comment by hermie — July 5, 2015 @ 10:54 am

            • Where and how did disapear the large Jewish Comunities of Central and East Europe?

              It’s a fair question and deserves an answer. I could answer it by asking other questions: What happened to cause the death toll at Auschwitz to be reduced from 4m at the end of WWII (a figure that was used to hang many Germans, and one that stood on a plaque at the site), and a long time after, down to a little over 1m today (with rumors it will soon be reduced even further)? Did they have names of dead people who were then found alive? Claims of deaths at Majdanek have been similarly reduced, and no doubt soon the absurd claim that the Nazis used gas chambers there will also be dropped; how did all of that come about? What happened to all the Germans who used to live in East Prussia? Or in the parts of Poland today that belonged to Germany before WWII? Or the large numbers of ethnic Germans who were expelled from other European countries — eg Czechoslovakia — after WWII?

              Or I could answer this way: They ‘disappeared’ via the destruction and chaos of war, as did so many other communities. Just like no one knows — or cares — what happened to those other communities, some of which I just mentioned, no one really knows what happened to all the Jews — that is the chaos of war.

              But they weren’t killed by the Nazis in gas chambers using Zyklon-B. I don’t say that because I’m a ‘Holocaust denier’, or an ‘anti-Semite’, a ‘neo-Nazi’, or whatever. I say that because I’m above all a rational person, and there is just no firm forensic evidence that this happened. In fact, it more the opposite: many of the stories are either absurdly unbelieveable, or absolutely physically impossible.

              Comment by eah — July 5, 2015 @ 12:49 pm

              • The mass of prisoniers had to leave Auschwitz with the “DEATH MARCHES” which had a huigh death rate before January 27 1945 leaving behind a smaller group of comrades esteemed by the SS as not transportable. The SS did not manage to kill them all on the site as the Red Army had been faster to reach the Camp.
                Etnic Gernans of East and Central Europe – Poland Hungary Czechoslovacchia – had been force to leave for Germany/Austria.
                For today I say good bye and will answer Your further statements mavbee tomorrow. At any rate I refer to my comments and replies on other posts of this site.

                Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 5, 2015 @ 1:21 pm

                • You wrote: “The mass of prisoniers had to leave Auschwitz with the “DEATH MARCHES” which had a huigh death rate before January 27 1945 leaving behind a smaller group of comrades esteemed by the SS as not transportable.”

                  The prisoners did not “have to leave Auschwitz”. They were given a choice of whether they would leave or stay and wait for the Soviet liberators. The majority of the prisoners decided to leave with the Germans, walking through 4 feet of snow in very cold weather. They didn’t know whether the Soviets would rape them or kill them, or both; they trusted the Germans.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 5, 2015 @ 2:12 pm

                • Under the Nazis there were no real choices. When leaving by the death marches there was a probability to reach a place where wait fro liberation. When staying behind there had been a high probability to be shot on the site; in Auschwitz the Red Army reached the camp before the SS could carry out a mass slaughter. That it was.

                  Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 6, 2015 @ 10:49 am

            • I mentioned the physical impossibility of many of the claims. Noteworthy here are the claims re the Hungarian Jews. Here Wikpedia gives the conventional story:

              The first train went through Kassa on May 14. On a typical day, there were three or four trains, with between 3,000 and 4,000 people on each train, for a total of approximately 12,000 Jews delivered to the extermination facilities each day. There were 109 trains during these 33 days through June 16. (There were days when there were as many as six trains.)…

              You can read the rest of it there. As I said before, with the cremation facilities on hand, and using very generous assumptions, it would have taken more than a week to cremate the corpses from just one gassing of approx 2000 people. This means that considering the reported nearly half million Hungarian Jews deported and gassed at Auschwitz, it would have taken approx 250 weeks just to cremate the corpses. That’s almost 5 years of 24/7 operation (which of course would have been impossible).

              Add to that the fact there are absolutely no records of sufficient coal being delivered to Auschwitz to even begin to accomplish that.

              Wolf: Please explain to my rational brain how the conventional ‘Holocaust’ story of what happened to the Hungarian Jews is even remotely plausible.

              And yes I do think you are self-deluded — you are so emotionally invested in the ‘Holocaust’ story that you cannot see the practical absurdities of it.

              Comment by eah — July 5, 2015 @ 1:02 pm

              • But where the Hungarian Jews disapeared? The Holocaust – hatred – cannot be fully explained in rational way. How the Nazis solved the “practical” problems had been their GEHEIME REICHSACHE – Reich Secret – which they kept very well. Furthermore, when in trial they were not questioned in a proper way in order to clearify all details. An example: Benjamin Murmelstein – THE LAST OF THE UNJUST – had not been called to give evidence at Eichmann trial and so some questions had not been even broufght to attention of the Court or not clearified. Being emotionally invested in studying the Shoah history I say good bye to all of You, mssrs eah, hermie, schlageter, tim.

                Comment by Wolf Murmelstein — July 5, 2015 @ 11:14 pm

                • Like I said:

                  How the Nazis solved the “practical” problems had been their GEHEIME REICHSACHE

                  Deluded.

                  You can relax Wolf — I won’t reply to any of your future comments.

                  Comment by eah — July 5, 2015 @ 11:39 pm

                • One more thing Wolf: please don’t advocate for the enforcement of existing, or the establishment of any new, laws against ‘Holocaust denial’ — there are people in jail throughout Europe for saying or writing publicly things similar to what I have said/written here. And that just isn’t right. Thanks.

                  Comment by eah — July 6, 2015 @ 12:37 am

                • I think that America should make a law that no one can be renditioned to Germany for trial, no matter how much Holocaust denial they say or write in America.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 6, 2015 @ 6:41 am

                • “How the Nazis solved the “practical” problems had been their GEHEIME REICHSACHE – Reich Secret – which they kept very well.”

                  Nice admission that the alleged mass murder of Europe’s Jews by the Nazis is a foggy topic, to say the least, not “the most documented event in history” as often claimed. The people making that ‘Chutzpahistic’ assertion do that because they know that nobody will dare contradict their statements publically (something that would be a social suicide in some countries, and both a social suicide and a penal offense in many other countries), and because they deceitfully play on the ambiguous meaning of the word “Holocaust” itself (with any antisemitic measure, including a mere numerus clausus in some professions, now being labelled as parts of the “Holocaust”).

                  “The archives torn from the bowels of the Third Reich, the depostions and accounts of its chiefs permit us to reconstruct in their least detail the birth and the development of its plans for aggression, its military campaigns, and the whole range of processes by which the Nazis intended to reshape the world to their pattern. Only the campaign to exterminate the Jews, as concerns its completion, as well as in many other essential aspects, remains steeped in fog. Psychological inferences and considerations, third- or fourth-hand accounts, allow us to reconstruct the developments with a considerable verisimilitude. Certain details, nevertheless, will remain unknown forever. As concerns the concept proper of the plan for total extermination, the three or four principal actors are dead. No document remains, and has perhaps never existed.” – Leon Poliakov, Breviaire de la haine (Breviary of Hate) , Paris, 1979, p. 134.

                  As true today as it was when Poliakow wrote that…

                  Comment by hermie — July 6, 2015 @ 2:43 am

              • Let me help solve this for you:
                http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-07.html

                Comment by P. O. Truth — July 22, 2015 @ 1:57 pm

                • The Nizkor Project is as old as the hills. I think that most of the guys who wrote the articles are now dead. I think that you should get your information from a more recent source.

                  Comment by furtherglory — July 22, 2015 @ 2:18 pm

                • You are right, that was lazy of me.
                  When the Crematoria broke down or the amount of bodies was too high the Nazis used burning pits to cope with the overflow. Rees discusses this in Aushwitz a New History.

                  Comment by P. O. Truth — July 24, 2015 @ 2:43 pm

          • “We all have respect for “tragical events”; what we don’t respect are phantasmagorical tales of nonsense”

            Don’t waste your time, eah. Reality or phantasmagoria, that makes no difference to a Jewish brain.

            Comment by hermie — July 5, 2015 @ 10:43 am

          • No evidence.
            Huh. Mass graves found at the death camp sites, the blown up gas chambers at Auschwitz (why blow up fumigation rooms? The Nazis did not destroy the other fumigation rooms at Auschwitz.)
            The physical evidence like barbed wire, melted railings, bone fragments and other items left at the Death camps (if they were transit camps, why destroy them? The Nazis left other camps standing.) Recent archeological digs at Treblinka found the foundation of the original gas chambers. You’re right, that’s not evidence. You’ve convinced me, I’m now a Holocaust Denier.
            😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
            That was me, laughing in derision.

            Comment by P. O. Truth — July 22, 2015 @ 1:50 pm


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