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July 10, 2015

Auschwitz Survivor says that she is “unable to forgive Oskar Groening”

Oskar Groening awaits the decision in his trial

94-year-old Oskar Groening awaits the decision on his potential prison time

According to a recent news article, German national Oskar Groening, 94, stands accused of 300,000 counts of  “accessory to murder” in the cases of deported Hungarian Jews sent to the gas chambers between May and July 1944.”

Hungarian Jews arriving at Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1944

Hungarian Jews arriving at Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1944  (click to enlarge)

The photo above shows a typical scene of a train arrival at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Jews waiting for their turn in the gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Jews waiting for their turn in the gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Oskar Groening worked at the train tracks at the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp, where he collected money from the luggage brought to the camp by Hungarian Jews in 1944.

Working at the train tracks makes Groening guilty as an “accessory to the fact” of the murder of 300,000 Jews, according to the prosecutor at his trial, which has just ended.  Groening has admitted his “moral guilt” in court, but he denies that he is guilty of this latest ex-post-facto law, which became a new law as a result of the John Demjanjuk trial.

The following quote is from the news article which you can read in full at http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-bookkeeper-of-auschwitz-survivor-testify-as-trial-nears-end-2015-7

As the final witness during the [Groening] trial, Irene Weiss, 84, a Czech-born Auschwitz survivor from the United States, gave searing testimony against Groening.

Dressed in a black trouser suit and speaking in an unwavering voice, Weiss described her terrifying ordeal as a 13-year-old girl.

Showing two photographs of her family as they arrived at Auschwitz that were recovered 25 years after the Holocaust, Weiss said her mother, three younger siblings, and older brother were all murdered soon after in the gas chambers.

Her father was forced to work as a Sonderkommando, removing corpses from the gas chambers and cremating them, until the SS shot him.

Weiss said she was unable to forgive Groening.

“He has said that he does not consider himself a perpetrator but merely a small cog in the machine,” she said.

“But if he were sitting here today wearing his SS uniform, I would tremble and all the horror that I experienced as a 13-year-old would return to me.

“Any person who wore that uniform in that place represented terror and the depths to which humanity can sink, regardless of what function they performed.”

You can read all about Irene Weiss on this website: http://www.ushmm.org/remember/office-of-survivor-affairs/survivor-volunteer/irene-fogel-weiss

This quote is from the USHMM article, cited above:

Over a two-month period beginning in May 1944, nearly 425,000 Jews were deported from Hungary to Auschwitz-Birkenau, including Irene and her family. Irene was 13 years old. Upon arrival at the camp, her mother, three younger siblings, and older brother were killed.

SS authorities selected Irene and her sister Serena for forced labor, while their father was forced to work as a Sonderkommando, removing corpses from the gas chambers and cremating them. The SS camp staff periodically killed the members of the Sonderkommando and replaced them with persons from newly arriving transports. While still in the camp, Irene’s aunt learned through a boy from their hometown that when Meyer could no longer perform this work, the SS shot and killed him.

Wait a minute! Irene was only 13, but she was selected to work, while her older brother was sent to the gas chamber. It was the policy of the SS, at the death camps, to kill everyone younger than 15 or older than 45 immediately upon arrival. How was 13-year-old Irene able to pass the selection while her older brother was sent to the gas chamber?

The USHMM article continues with this quote:

Irene, Serena, and two maternal aunts, Rose and Piri Mermelstein, worked in the “Canada” section of Birkenau—storage warehouses located near two crematoria—for eight months until January 1945,

Working in the “Canada” warehouse was the best job that a prisoner at Auschwitz-Birkenau could get. How was Irene so fortunate that she got one of the best jobs in the camp, at the tender age of 13? Didn’t someone notice that she should have been gassed?

Selections at Auschwitz-Birkenau

Selections for work or the gas chamber  at Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp

But wait, there’s more: “One day during morning roll call, the SS separated Serena and other prisoners from the group, deeming them too weak and emaciated to work. Irene said to a camp guard, “She is my sister,” and was then allowed to go with Serena. The sisters heard from other inmates that they would be sent back to Ravensbrück, where there were gas chambers. They were locked in a room with other prisoners to await the transport truck, but it never arrived.”

So Irene was finally selected to be sent to Ravensbrück, “where there were gas chambers”? But once again, Irene was saved because the transport truck never arrived.

Irene should be arrested as a “Holocaust denier.”  Her testimony at the trial goes against all the facts of the Holocaust.

Religious Jews who were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau to be killed

Religious Jews who were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau to be gassed

Meanwhile, Holocaust survivors are asking for more money: http://www.news4jax.com/news/holocaust-survivors-ask-for-financial-aide/34051298

52 Comments »

  1. Yep. That was the first question that hit me. How could she still be alive,if she was 13 years old. Hey. Are the Hebs in the picture at the bottom, the Jewish version of the ,”Duck Dynasty ” guys?

    Comment by Tim — July 11, 2015 @ 7:11 am

  2. She can’t forgive, but if he pulled out his checkbook, I’m sure she’d take a few shekels, or euro, or dollars, or pounds….

    Comment by Schlageter — July 11, 2015 @ 6:25 am

  3. “How was Irene so fortunate that she got one of the best jobs in the camp, at the tender age of 13? Didn’t someone notice that she should have been gassed?”

    And why was her older brother gassed upon arrival? Too many strong teenage laborers in the German war industries of that time? Too few 13-year-old Jewesses for the German war effort? (Yeah, that was to polish the interior of bullets;I know; I’ve seen Spielberg’s propaganda movie too) No need to wonder why the Axis was defeated with such nonsensical policies…😉

    “Irene should be arrested as a “Holocaust denier.” Her testimony at the trial goes against all the facts of the Holocaust.”

    Hilarious. A great one, FG. Really.

    Comment by hermie — July 10, 2015 @ 1:57 pm

    • It depended on the type of labor needed. If the camp needed female female prisoners for Canada but not for body disposal then women could be spared while the men went to the gas chamber. The Germans also had no idea of the ages of their captives so it’s possible they could take a 13 year-old who was tall enough to fool them. Rees mentioned an instance of this happening in his book on Auschwitz.

      Comment by P. O. Truth — July 12, 2015 @ 6:48 pm

      • And perhaps she was also a stowaway on Appolo 11 and she walked on the moon when Armstrong and his colleagues were not watching. Possible. We’ll never know. Unless she testifies about that one day.😉

        Comment by hermie — July 12, 2015 @ 8:12 pm

        • Uuuummmmm OK. Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.

          Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 10:38 am

          • “Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.”

            Can’t we both play the game of baseless assumptions & extrapolations (like in your previous comment)? Goyim not allowed to play that one??

            Comment by hermie — July 13, 2015 @ 2:55 pm

            • What do you mean, goyim?

              Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 6:28 pm

              • I meant that your comment about Irene Weiss working at Kanada was pure speculation based on nothing except a quite pathetic attempt to explain another Holohoax inconsistency with another imaginary tale.

                From what I could find on the internet, Irene Weiss worked as a secretary at Auschwitz-Birkenau. But she usually doesn’t speak about it in her horror storytellings. I suppose that “The 13-year-old secretary of Birkenau” would be a great title for a comedy movie but not for Israel’s propaganda.

                Comment by hermie — July 14, 2015 @ 5:45 am

  4. One of the shocking sites for British teenagers on their pilgrimage to Auschwitz is seeing the rows of latrines not given any individual privacy screens.
    What they would make of a trip to India where 50 % of the population in 2015 defecate in the open air anywhere they find would be hard to imagine!
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-27775327

    Comment by peter — July 10, 2015 @ 12:47 pm

  5. Be nice if the Holocaust Denier could fin where her family went after Auschwitz, or did the family just hate their 13 year old daughet/sister that much to just leave her there. Just asking…pesky little problems with Holocaust denierism like where did all the people go.

    Comment by Numbercruncher Jones — July 10, 2015 @ 10:17 am

    • Pesky little details eh? Where did they all go? That pesky stuff called evidence and details and scientific fact, hey it just keeps coming up all the time. Jews went all over the world after the war, some were stuck behind the iron curtain and of course some died of natural causes. How many are you talking about the? Where did they all go is just a stupid comment. Or do you really honestly believe that six million jews went up in smoke in the so called holocaust?

      Comment by Clent — July 10, 2015 @ 10:26 am

      • Well, they didn’t all go up in smoke. A lot of them were buried in mass graves. The Nazis attempted to find and burn those bodies but they didn’t find all of them. When the Belzec extermination camp was excavated in 1997-1998 they found mass graves.

        Comment by P. O. Truth — July 22, 2015 @ 7:55 am

        • I guess the Nazis transported all those Jews in Europe to Belzec, Chelmno, Treblinka, Sobibor and Birkenau so they could send them on to the paradises they constructed for them in the Soviet Union. The Jews were so appreciative of the love and care the Nazis showed them that they decided to stay. I’m glad we solved that problem.

          Comment by P. O. Truth — July 22, 2015 @ 8:02 am

          • And the Einzatzgruppen death squads were actually “We love Jews” squads. The Einzatzgruppen were actually there to protect the Jews from the local population to give the Nazis time to construct the Jewish settlements in the East.

            Comment by P. O. Truth — July 22, 2015 @ 8:06 am

    • I’m not sure, but I think that her family members were all gassed, and only 13 year-old Irene survived. After the war, she married a man named “Martin Weiss,” which is a German name. [Martin Gottfried Weiss was the acting Commandant of Dachau when the camp was liberated.] She was working in the Canada warehouse at Auschwitz-Birkenau where some of the women were having affairs with the SS men working there. There were several marriages which resulted.

      Comment by furtherglory — July 10, 2015 @ 10:34 am

      • …and only 13 year-old Irene survived.

        I thought all kids that age were immediately gassed? Maybe the Germans were bored with the usual routine and decided to amuse themselves by doing things backwards that day — they gassed all the adults capable of work, and spared all the kids normally deemed too young to work.

        Comment by eah — July 10, 2015 @ 1:52 pm

      • The jew dames had affairs with some of the SS guards,then some actually married the guards? Where does that make sense? I mean they marry someone who’s been a total asshole towards their people. In the words of Hunter S. Thompson,”total weirdness”.

        Comment by Tim — July 11, 2015 @ 7:19 am

        • Several years ago, I wrote a blog post about several Jewish women who had babies while in a concentration camp: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/new-born-babies-at-dachau/

          One of the women that I wrote about had a baby that could not have been fathered by her husband, because he was not in the same camp as she was at the time of conception. The only men in the camp where she was a prisoner, at the time that she conceived, were the German SS men.

          You can read about Gisella Pearl, the prisoner who saved lives by performing abortions for Jewish women at Auschwitz. This is proof that there was a lot of romance going on between the Jewish women and the SS men in the camps.

          I carefully disguised the information about the one woman at Dachau, who had a baby that could not have been fathered by her husband.

          Comment by furtherglory — July 11, 2015 @ 8:16 am

        • Many of the Jewish women were raped at Auschwitz and other camps. Romances did develop between Jewish women and their captors even under terrible conditions. Rees talks about this in his Auschwitz book and Arad talks about it occurring in his book, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Camps. In Arad’s book, a relationship developed between an SS guard and a Jewish girl. While the guard was away the other guards murdered the girl. It’s a form of Stockhom Syndrome.

          Comment by P. O. Truth — July 12, 2015 @ 7:11 pm

          • Stockholm Syndrome? Didn’t Patty Hearst and some of her close friends try to claim that BS was Patty’s problem? If we’re gonna start about nazis raping women,then we need to remember our good friends the Russians . The Ruskies are douchebag animals. How many women did they rape,when they rolled into Berlin? I wanna know why the sick ass reds never got a case put on them.

            Comment by Tim — July 13, 2015 @ 3:06 am

            • It’s a real phenomenon, first noticed in 1973. The FBI notices it in about 8% of hostages.
              As for rape, Germans, Japanese, Russians, British, French, U.S. and Italian troops all committed rape during the war. This is fact, not justification. I’ve posted elsewhere that it’s a well known fact that Red Army troops looted and raped their way through Eastern Europe and Germany.
              How do we know this? Easy, surviving eye witnesses and paper documentation. If you can believe the eye witness testimony of these rape victims, how can you not accept the eye witness testimony of a camp survivor?

              Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 5:11 am

              • I want to correct something. I meant to say the testimony of eyewitnesses and victims. Someone who is raped is a victim, not an eyewitness. I apologize.

                Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 5:26 am

              • I’ve never said that they were all liars. I’ve said I question some of the facts the historians give us. Auschwitz. Back in ’89 they lowered the actual number of people killed there from 4 million to 1 million. With that being said,why does the total number of jews killed in WW2 ,still remain at 6 million? That’s why I question the historical accuracy. In a war there’s enough guilt to go around for everyone. Like the old adage goes,”in a war,truth is the first casualty”. I never saw any women raped when I went to ‘Nam,but I did see a few killings that “we’re not” done in self defense. See. Everyone stinks to the high heavens in a war. Holocaust denial laws. Why? The only reason I can come up with, is they’re trying to hide something. Stifle my free speech and thought. They can kiss my ass

                Comment by Tim — July 13, 2015 @ 8:09 am

                • The Soviets inflated the number of dead for Propaganda purposes. Hoess himself said the number was 2 million, scholarship suggests 1.1 million.

                  Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 10:41 am

    • like where did all the people go

      Yeah, I know what you mean. Are you also curious as to why the death toll at Auschwitz — epicenter of the ‘Holocaust’ — was reduced from the 4m claimed at the end of WWII, down to a little over 1m today? To do the math for you, that’s an approx reduction of a whopping 75%. Did they discover some people alive who were thought dead? Or what?

      Comment by eah — July 10, 2015 @ 2:04 pm

      • Are we back to the old, “how come the number dropped for Auschwitz, it went from four million down to one million” argument? No serious historian ever considered four million a serious number. Rudolph Hoss himself said that the number of dead was two million and research suggests that number was about 1.1 million. That number does not include non-Jewish poles, gypsies or Soviet POWs. The Soviets increased the number for propaganda purposes and down played the fact that it was mostly Jews that died there.
        By the way, no one has mentioned that yet again, a former Nazi is on trial and is STILL not denying that the Holocaust took place.

        Groening has repeatedly stated that Jews were murdered at Auschwitz in large numbers. He is also not a friend of Holocaust Deniers.

        Comment by P. O. Truth — July 12, 2015 @ 6:40 pm

    • Was Irene Weiss even asked to prove that her relatives indeed died at Auschwitz? Or are her words alone supposed to be probative enough? (For instance, who took care of that 14-year-old girl after WW2? Can she at least provide us with a name that can be checked?) And if her relatives really died at Auschwitz, what proves that they were murdered? Epidemics wiped out entire families in the past. Some epidemics are still doing it today in some places of the world. And it will probably remain so in the future. The epidemics raging at Auschwitz and everywhere in Eastern Europe during WW2 were no secret.

      Holohoax martyrology and Ufology, same ludicrous evidential standards…

      Comment by hermie — July 11, 2015 @ 6:18 am

      • You asked “who took care of 14-year-old Irene” after she was liberated. This quote is from an article about her:

        Begin quote
        Irene, Serena, and Rose lived together with their surviving relatives in Teplice-Šanov in the Sudetenland. Irene attended a Czech school, Serena worked in a factory, and Rose remained at home, ill with tuberculosis. With the sponsorship of relatives and financial aid from the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, Irene, Serena, and Rose immigrated to New York in 1947.

        Irene married Martin Weiss in 1949 and they moved to northern Virginia in 1953. She earned a bachelor of arts degree in education from American University and taught in the Fairfax County Public School system in Virginia for 13 years. Irene and Martin have three children and four grandchildren, and Irene is a volunteer at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
        End quote

        Comment by furtherglory — July 11, 2015 @ 11:04 am

      • Do you mean the same ridiculous evidentiary standards like diesel fuel is not toxic because it contains large amounts of oxygen? Or the amount of Zyclon B needed to kill humans would cause an explosion when someone smoked too close?

        http://oehha.ca.gov/public_info/facts/pdf/fuels4-02.pdf
        https://malcolmnicholson.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-the-leuchter-report-part-two/

        Comment by P. O. Truth — July 12, 2015 @ 7:01 pm

        • No, I meant ridiculous evidentiary standards like testimonies and confessions, i.e. the same ‘evidence’ as the ones ‘proving’ witchcraft, Marian apparitions, alien abductions, ghosts, bigfoots, elves, ‘Nessie’, Haman’s extermination plan in the Book of Esther, the Auschwitz lethal conveyor belt, the Belzec electrocution death chambers, the WW1 homicidal gas chambers in Serbia, the Dachau homicidal gassings, the WW1 & WW2 human soap, the Treblinka steam death chambers, the WW1 bayoneted Belgian babies, the Buchenwald human-skin lampshades, the Auschwitz flaming chimneys, etc.

          And you couldn’t have opted for a worst example than the alleged diesel gassings. The Holocaust lobby and the academic world have quietly dropped that laughable weapon of mass murder and moved to gasoline gassings (for damage control) for years now. You need a good update…

          Comment by hermie — July 12, 2015 @ 7:35 pm

          • I was never a fan of the Old Testament. I’m more for the new. So Haman wanted to bump all the jews off too? Why is it you never hear of this shit. They act like all this was hitlers idea. Hell I read where the Romans bumped off a few jews too. This sounds like the jews have an axe to grind,more than anything else

            Comment by Tim — July 13, 2015 @ 8:32 am

            • “So Haman wanted to bump all the jews off too?”

              Depends on the reliablility you put in the ‘information’ of the Book of Esther.

              Purim is the Jewish celebration of Haman’s alleged failed extermination and of the hanging of him and his ten sons.

              “Why is it you never hear of this shit.”

              I’ve heard of this shit because I’ve examined many newspapers of that time and Jewish newspapers often compared Hitler to Haman during WW2. That was basic Zionist atrocity propaganda in the 1940’s. Zionist propagandists used to describe Hitler as a new Pharaoh (no surprise from people working for another Exodus to the Holy Land) and they started to move from Pharaoh to Haman in 1942. The trick was finally sucessful and brought the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 (contrary to what the British “White Paper” of May 1939 had promulgated for the future of Palestine) as a reparation for the new Haman’s alleged genocide (a word recently invented by the Jew Raphael Lempkin).

              After WW2, the chief prosecutor at Dachau, Lt. Col. William Denson, put in a call to Robert Jackson, the chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg IMT and told him, “Send me [the former Gauleiter of Upper Austria August] Eigruber. I’ll hang him high as Haman.”, what indicates that both were Jews.

              Comment by hermie — July 13, 2015 @ 3:36 pm

          • Considering some of the examples you put up date from ancient or Medieval history I think it’s you who needs an update.
            You know, you’re right. Testimonies and eyewitness accounts are useless. We shouldn’t believe anything that eyewitnesses say, never mind the victims. Or the perpetrators. Or the mountains of evidence the Nazis left themselves, like the written reports made by Einsatzgruppen Commanders on how many Jews and Communists they shot in a given day. Or the Hofle Telegram or the Korherr report. Or Himmler’s and Hitler’s speeches, of which we have recordings and transcripts. We also have Stroop’s report on the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto and Hans Frank’s diaries that he willingly turned over to Allied authorities at the end of the war.
            We have all these items and yet none of them mean anything, because it’s all a big conspiracy that the Jews have cooked up. Or is it the Commies? Or aliens from outer space? Wait, I have it!!!!!! It’s a Judeo-Bolshevist-Alien plot!!!!! There, I feel better. Excuse me, I have to leave work now. I need to go home and put on my tin foil hat.

            Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 11:27 am

            • BTW, for those of you who want to know where I know this from:
              William Shirer The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
              Richard Evans the Third Reich at War
              Daniel Goldhagen Hitler’s Willing Executioners
              Christopher Browning Ordinary Men
              Laurence Rees Auschwitz, a New History
              I caution you about Goldhagen’s book, it’s a bit off the rails but it does have some interesting first hand accounts from the men who participated in shooting Jews. I also disagree with Browning, I don’t think he took into account how much racism and anti-semitism had to do with attitudes towards the Jews and Poles they shot.

              Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 11:57 am

              • I have read all of the books that you listed.

                Comment by furtherglory — July 13, 2015 @ 12:50 pm

              • That’s why I always say,” history is written by those who write it.” I never take any one source to be the gospel. I ain’t gonna lie to you here. I’ve never heard of any of the authors you’ve listed here. I’m not gonna believe everything they’ve written. If I wish to pursue a certain topic,I’m gonna get answers from a variety of sources,then I’ll decide. Perfect example. The chuckleheads that did the paper on global warming,finally had to admit they lied. People out there took these idiots at their word. Even now people know they lied,they still wanna believe them.
                That’s why I’m not gonna read any one book on a subject and totally buy into what they are selling

                Comment by Tim — July 13, 2015 @ 1:04 pm

                • I agree. Don’t take my word for it. Read and figure it out for yourself. What bugs me is people reading unreliable sources on-line and then taking it as gospel.

                  Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 5:56 pm

                • I was just saying that you pointed out a couple books and it came across as sounding like you’ve based your decision in those few I apologize if it came across sounding like something else. Yeah I can think of a few sites right now that think their version of the holocaust is the only one. ABs and Mississippi White Kinghts come to mind. That’s why I say I like this site. FG allows both sides of the story to be told. Now if someone starts talking a bunch of shit,FGs gonna call ’em out and ask for proof to back up their assertion. No matter which side their on. All the way back to when man first raised his fist on his brother,both sides have pulled inhumane shit on the opposing side. When all is said and done the losing side seems to be the “poster child” for everything that was evil about which ever war may be the topic of discussion. Perish the thought the winning side could’ve done anything wrong. I love my country. They tell me to go to war again,I’ll do it. I’m just not too proud of some of the stunts we’ve pulled on the field of battle. Dresden is the first one to come to mind. 25,000 “civilians” murdered by bombing. Just proves my point. We were the triumphant ones,so we could do no wrong.

                  Comment by Tim — July 13, 2015 @ 8:09 pm

            • “Testimonies and eyewitness accounts are useless. We shouldn’t believe anything that eyewitnesses say, never mind the victims. Or the perpetrators.”

              Testimonies and confessions are just combinations of words devoid of any probative value in essence. As the examples I’ve given above show. And as the numerous innocent people having confessed crimes under pressure and later cleared by DNA or other physical evidence also show. Testimonies and confessions can be useful to guide investigators and lead them to physical evidence. But alone, they are just tales and stories.

              “Or the mountains of evidence the Nazis left themselves, like the written reports made by Einsatzgruppen Commanders on how many Jews and Communists they shot in a given day.”

              The Soviets boasted that their partisan fighters had killed over one million German soldiers on the Eastern front. Harsh countermeasures and reprisals were expectable and in fact legitimate. Not the Germans’ fault that so many Jews were partisans. Jewish partisans brought the savagery of war on the Eastern front on them and their families.

              “Or the Hofle Telegram or the Korherr report.”

              None of these documents deals with killings. Mere statistical data. You’re free to see genocidal code words in such documents. I’m free to see mere statistical data about Jewry in German-occupied Europe and population transfers.

              “Or Himmler’s and Hitler’s speeches, of which we have recordings and transcripts.”

              Hitler’s speeches didn’t deal with any mass murder of European Jewry. They dealt with the annihilation of Jewish Power in Europe. Only deceitfully truncated versions of Hitler’s speeches point to a biological extermination of Jewry through mass murder.

              Have a look here: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=9038

              Why would Hitler have so often referred to a speech in which he had promised to annihilate Jewish power through laws and propaganda on a continental scale at a time when he was allegedly (according to orthodox history) butchering Jews en masse in unprecendented chemical slaughter houses?

              And the incriminating parts of Himmler’s Posen speeches look like forgeries to me, for different reasons (that can be debated if you want to).

              “We also have Stroop’s report on the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto”

              How does the liquidation of a ghetto prove a policy of mass murder??

              “and Hans Frank’s diaries that he willingly turned over to Allied authorities at the end of the war.”

              Frank’s diaries can also be debated if you want to, but I think it would be a quite long debate. The French revisionist Vincent Reynouard wrote a great article about that topic, but it’s in French and I don’t think that it has been translated into English.

              “We have all these items and yet none of them mean anything, because it’s all a big conspiracy that the Jews have cooked up. Or is it the Commies? Or aliens from outer space? Wait, I have it!!!!!! It’s a Judeo-Bolshevist-Alien plot!!!!! There, I feel better.”

              No need to use such a fallacy in attempting to ridicule the revisionist views. The Brits didn’t need giant conspiracies to sell their stories of human soap made from German soldiers’ dead bodies and of Belgian kids’ hands chopped off during WW1. The Americans didn’t need sophisticated networks to sell their story of Saddam’s germ warfare and get ‘their’ war in Iraq. During WW2, the Zionists were well organized and completely able to feed the Allies with stories of mass murders in German-occupied Europe. The Riegner-Wise communication was a 100% Zionist business, for instance.

              Comment by hermie — July 13, 2015 @ 5:52 pm

              • If you are trying to point me to a denier website, don’t bother. I’ve looked at them and they are crap. I’ve also read the denier books that Amazon puts out for free. Again, crap.
                As far as rumors of German atrocities during World War One, I understand that they were enemy propaganda. For the most part German soldiers acted honorably during that conflict. They may have occasionally been harsh but they were not cruel. German soldiers treated Poles, Jews and Ukrainians respectfully and these people remembered Germans rather fondly. The Germans in the Second World War quickly stripped them of the belief that this good conduct would continue.
                One of the problems the Polish Underground was actually convincing the Western allies that atrocities were occurring. The allies remembered false stories that were spread about German atrocities.

                Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 6:11 pm

                • As for the partisans, the Germans only have themselves to blame. They treated the native populations so harshly they felt they had to fight back. The mass shootings, the forced confiscations of food, the mass abductions for forced labor in the Reich. All of these contributed towards the native population fighting back. Easier treatment would have yielded widespread cooperation.

                  Comment by P. O. Truth — July 13, 2015 @ 6:23 pm

                • “If you are trying to point me to a denier website, don’t bother. I’ve looked at them and they are crap.”

                  You could at least try to look as an open-minded person if you want to be regarded as a serious debater. Saying “I won’t even look at your arguments because I know they are crap” is no debate. That’s obscurantism. Ziobscurantists always do that, I know. But more and more people start to see through that trick and to wonder why people claiming they have mountains of solid evidence on their side do that.

                  “As far as rumors of German atrocities during World War One, I understand that they were enemy propaganda. For the most part German soldiers acted honorably during that conflict. They may have occasionally been harsh but they were not cruel. German soldiers treated Poles, Jews and Ukrainians respectfully and these people remembered Germans rather fondly. The Germans in the Second World War quickly stripped them of the belief that this good conduct would continue.”

                  How do you discriminate rumors and facts? Do you have any kind of special filter blocking wartime rumors and letting real facts go through it? Or have you only decided that the ‘reports’ useless for Israel were rumors and the ‘reports’ crucial for Israel were facts?

                  “One of the problems the Polish Underground was actually convincing the Western allies that atrocities were occurring. The allies remembered false stories that were spread about German atrocities.”

                  Too bad the Allies didn’t have any Zionist special filter at their disposal at that time. They had their own intelligence networks in German-occupied Europe (for instance, they knew from the very beginning that the alleged German guilt for the Katyn massacre was complete bullshit) but they lacked any magic Zionist filter, only using atrocity propaganda from Polish underground and Zionist channels for their own benefit in ground-breaking statements but acting ‘as if’ nothing was happening (perhaps they knew that nothing was happening after all).

                  Comment by hermie — July 14, 2015 @ 6:09 am

              • Hey that sounds like shit our Lt. would pull,when I went to the ‘Nam. He’d pad the hell outta our body counts. Now that I think of it,maybe he was a jew. At the end of the day he was still an idiot. I heard about the stroops report on here,but what are the korherr report and
                Hofle telegram please?

                Comment by Tim — July 13, 2015 @ 7:15 pm

                • “what are the korherr report and Hofle telegram please?”

                  The Korherr report was a compilation a statistical data, for Himmler’s use, about Jewry in German-occupied Europe. And the Höfle telegram was German telegram about the total number of Jews transited through (Holocaust believers say “exterminated at”) the Reinhardt camps (Sobibor, Belzec and Treblinka) and Majdanek (Lublin).

                  Comment by hermie — July 14, 2015 @ 6:23 am

                • Is there any sites on the web where one be able to find either or both of those reports? Thanks

                  Comment by Tim — July 14, 2015 @ 7:29 am

                • You can read the Korherr report here (http://www.germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=1533) and the Höfle telegram here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram#Translation).

                  Comment by hermie — July 14, 2015 @ 9:11 pm

                • Okie dokie. What are concentratiom camp jews as compared with internment jews. There was another column of jews. That column was called,”released “. Were these actual numbers of jews released from the camps? I thought their aim was to snuff out the Jews . If they’re cutting them loose,how they gonna kill em? Another part in this report. I thought the Jews were crying crocodile tears about how no countries out there wanted their happy ass. Well the numbers of each country that took jews in,says otherwise.

                  Comment by Tim — July 15, 2015 @ 12:55 pm

                • Hey, I actually checked out CODOH. The most interesting thing I found there was that the sign at Auschwitz said 4 million people, not 4 million Jews. So, it’s actually a myth that the sign stated 4 million Jews, it just said people. As for the telegrams I mentioned, I read about them in Rees’ book on Auschwitz but Wikipedia lists other places you can find out more information. The Hofle telegram lists the amount of Jewish dead in each Operation Reinhard camp up to the end of December of 1942. The Koehrer report showed that the amount of Jews in Europe declined by 4 million by January of 1943.

                  Comment by P. O. Truth — July 21, 2015 @ 2:29 pm

                • FG said they dropped the number down to a million that were actually killed there. Jews clearly don’t comprehend simple addition and subtraction. The overall count is still 6 million . Far as I’m concerned,there ain’t a single war that’s ever been fought,where all sides have went by the rule book. I saw some shit when I was in country. Talk about being young and stupid. My family is all military. Better part have fought. That’s the difference between ‘Nam and WW2. We went into the 80’s and everything about Southeast Asia pretty much dropped. It’s all in the history books now. WW2. 70 years ago. Nobody wants to put that to bed. The jews wanna keep it going. I’m not saying Germany didn’t pull any shit. Hell everyone did. It’s just all the shit I’m finding out now,leaves me to question the extent of it all. The jews are down to putting bean counters on trial. How the hell does the money man figure into murder or accessory to murder. I always thought all this was one big conspiracy. People running around going,”the sky is falling”. Back then,there was no “internet”. Now information is available with the push of button. People don’t have to be sheep anymore ( all though a lot still chose to be). They can make their own decision with the information on the net. Jews can’t totally control that. If they did,we wouldn’t be having this conversation .

                  Comment by Tim — July 21, 2015 @ 3:24 pm

              • Actually, the mass killings in Eastern Europe predates any significant partisan activities, Jewish or otherwise. Nazi Einsatzgruppen started the mass killings of Jewish men in June of 1941. The Soviet Goverment authorized the formation of partisan groups on July 29th 1941. These groups were not centrally coordinated until the Spring of 1942.

                Comment by P. O. Truth — July 21, 2015 @ 2:40 pm

          • Treblinka used a tank engine, described as a Soviet tank engine. The Soviets used Diesel engines in their tanks because diesel is less likely to ignite when the tank is hit. This is in contrast to US and British tanks that used regular gas. The Soviets nicknamed the U.S. And British tanks “Ronson Lighters” for this reason. See Gordon Corrigon’s book, “The Second World War, A Millitary History.” Back to my earlier point, diesel fuel is toxic to human beings.

            Comment by P. O. Truth — July 22, 2015 @ 8:19 am


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