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August 10, 2015

Oskar Groening stood on the ramp at Birkenau 3 times, but was sentenced to four years in prison

Filed under: Uncategorized — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 12:04 pm
Oskar Groening at his trial

Oskar Groening at his trial

Today, I read an old news story here about the trial of Oskar Groening, a former German SS man, who was prosecuted as a war criminal because he had formerly served as an accountant at the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp.

Oskar Groening as a young soldier

Oskar Groening as a young soldier

This quote is from the news story:

Though he [Groening] was more regularly assigned to the camp’s Auschwitz I section, he said he guarded the Birkenau ramp three times, including one busy 24-hour shift. The main gas chambers were located at Birkenau.

“The capacity of the gas chambers and the capacity of the crematoria were quite limited. Someone said that 5,000 people were processed in 24 hours but I didn’t verify this. I didn’t know,” he said. “For the sake of order we waited until train 1 was entirely processed and finished.”

Auschwitz survivors describe their arrival as chaotic, with Nazi guards yelling orders, dogs barking and families being ripped apart.

But Groening, 93, maintained the opposite, saying “it was very orderly and not as strenuous” on the ramp at Birkenau.
“The process was the same as Auschwitz I. The only difference was that there were no trucks,” he said during the second day of his trial. “They all walked – some in one direction some, in another direction … to where the crematoria and gas chambers were.”

Wait a minute! Where were the crematoria?  The gas chamber buildings at Birkenau, and in the main Auschwitz camp, did not have a crematorium.  The room, which would normally have been a crematorium, was instead an undressing room.  Everyone knows that!

Note that Groening worked at the ramp, where selections for the gas chamber were made, only 3 times. Yet he was sentenced to 4 years in prison. I don’t think that this was a fair sentence.  Groening should have been sentenced to only THREE YEARS in prison, one year for each time when he was at the ramp, collecting money from the luggage.

Groening had nothing to do with the prisoners being gassed, but he was THERE, so he is guilty of a war crime. This is according to the ex-post-facto law, known as “common plan.”

Groening committed his crime BEFORE the common plan law was created by the Allies after the war.

8 Comments »

  1. Mssrs Hermie, eah, peter! The demographic problem of Germany is the result of WWI and WWII, both started mainly by the Prussian military class and nationalist rethoric which, unfortunately, had enjoiyed the free speech. The Nazis translated the word “murder” – morden with “process” – abwickeln or “special treatment” – sonderbehandlung. So You bother me because the lack of forensic evidence. Good bye. Wolf

    Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 11, 2015 @ 9:47 am

    • The demographic problem of Germany

      What “demographic problem”? The low birth rate? Deaths among Whites in the US now generally exceed births — to what do you attribute that?

      unfortunately

      It’s interesting and telling that you see free speech as ‘unfortunate’.

      because the lack of forensic evidence

      Yes, I am rather ‘bothered’ by accusations of — actually, it is more like a public conviction (for) — mass murder/extermination when there is really no forensic evidence. To me that is ‘unfortunate’, whereas I have no problem with free speech.

      Comment by eah — August 12, 2015 @ 10:09 am

  2. “Someone said that 5,000 people were processed in 24 hours but I didn’t verify this.”

    Who, someone? The orthodox narrative usually claims that it was 6,000 Jews a day. During WW2, [Zionist leader & later Israel’s first president] Chaim Weizmann had first claimed that it was 60,000 Jews a day, but his assertion was too crazy to be believed and Holohoax propagandists quickly divided Weizmann’s mad number by 10, so bringing it to 6,000 a day. The most important thing was to save the sacred Jewish number “6” (Hebrew letter “vav”, symbol of the link between G-d and his people) and keep it within Israel’s founding myth after all…

    Comment by hermie — August 10, 2015 @ 5:13 pm

    • Processed does not mean gassed or killed. It means they got off the train, were taken to the showers, had their head shaved, received new clothes, got a tattoo on their arm and were then taken to a barracks.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 10, 2015 @ 6:35 pm

      • I feel that Groening is using exterminationist vocabulary here and that he means “murdered in a death factory” when saying “processed”. And Groening said the capacity of the gas chambers and crematoria was quite limited in the previous sentence. He visibly implied sinister things with his “processed”, IMO.

        And anyway, even according to your interpretation of “processed”, how can you kill 6,000 people a day by ‘processing’ (i.e. selections followed by delousings or gassings) only 5,000 people a day with 90% of them (i.e. 4,500) going to gas chambers and 10% (i.e. 500) going through the showering-delousing path? So, even according to your interpretation of his words, Groening is lowering the alleged killing rate of the Auschwitz “death factory” by 25%. Still following your thought, he’s denying the death of 1,500 Jews a day if one is to believe in the orthodox narrative’s allegations. Multiply that number by the number of days when he worked there……😉

        Comment by hermie — August 11, 2015 @ 5:44 am

        • And if Groening really meant that 5,000 of the newcomers were indeed showered and deloused every day, that would mean that 45,000 Jewish newcomers were gassed to death and cremated to ashes every 24 hours if the orthodox narrative is to be saved !! That’s huge !😮

          Comment by hermie — August 11, 2015 @ 5:51 am

  3. Germany will within 50 years not exist , and some people would contend it died in 1945 anyway. It is engaging in a massive race replacement policy and will be accepting over 1/2 million Africans this year + their families….Discussion on the Holocaust to the ” new Germans ” will seem rather esoteric. As for Oskar he got his moment of fame a few years back
    and has been handsomely rewarded. He probably didn’t factor in a trial at the age of 94 but he really shouldn’t have trusted Shylock should he !

    Comment by peter — August 10, 2015 @ 4:47 pm

    • To make the point, I asked German friends how many people live in Leipzig — the answer was about 400k (which for illustration purposes sounded approx correct). Then I asked if it was reasonable to even consider, let alone allow, the equivalent of 1.5 Leipzigs worth of muslims and Africans into the country in one year? But most Germans are at the least slightly uncomfortable with such a suggestion. Even as they know I am right — that what is going on is insane.

      Comment by eah — August 10, 2015 @ 9:42 pm


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