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August 11, 2015

New book about a survivor of the Lodz ghetto

Filed under: Uncategorized — Tags: , , , — furtherglory @ 10:57 am
The cover of a new book written by the son of a Holocaust survivor

The cover of a new book written by Goran Rosenberg,  the son of a Holocaust survivor

You can read  all about this new book at http://www.ydr.com/crime/ci_28614456/son-recounts-his-fathers-struggle-new-holocaust-memoir

I wrote about a survivor of the Lodz ghetto on this page of my website:  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/JackAdler.html

This quote is from the very end of the news article, cited above:

In this haunting exploration of the Auschwitz legacy — how it crushes long after the gas chambers are shut down — Goran Rosenberg [the son of a Holocaust survivor] has wrought, from the second-generation perspective, a book that overwhelms.

Brimming with duty-bound love but inescapably tragic at its core, “A Brief Stop on the Road From Auschwitz” is a tour de force fully on par with Primo Levi’s “If This Is a Man” and other literary classics of the Holocaust.

I wrote about Primo Levi in this previous blog post:

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/primo-levi-the-story-of-ten-days-jan-18th-to-jan-27th-1945/

This quote from the news story tells about the Jews, who went to Sweden after they survived the Holocaust, but found that even the Swedes hated the Jews:

Sweden has its own dark side. Snowballs hit the kitchen window as children shout “Jews!” Goran learns on the playground that a “marble Jew” is someone who cheats at the game. And his father sustains a concussion in a violent fight at the truck factory with a co-worker who insinuates that he is a good-for-nothing Jew.

This quote is from the beginning of the news article:

But a recent book by Swedish author and journalist Goran Rosenberg is both. In “A Brief Stop on the Road From Auschwitz,” Rosenberg masterfully retraces the struggle of his father to rebuild a completely shattered life after surviving Nazi slave labor and death camps, including the infamous Auschwitz.

[..]

David Rosenberg, a Polish Jew from Lodz who barely survives the war, arrives in Sweden in 1945 at age 24. He eventually settles in the bland, industrial town of Sodertalje in search of a place to replace the sights, smells, sounds and people of a world that has disappeared.

[…]

… he reunites with Hala, from whom he was separated on the selection ramp at Auschwitz-Birkenau; they marry and soon have a child. They want to name him Gershon, after David’s father, who died in the Lodz ghetto. But friends say the name sounds too foreign. How about Goran? It’s nice, Swedish-sounding, and will help the child blend in.

Did you catch the part about the “marble Jew”?  Even in Sweden, the citizens didn’t like Jews because they cheat.  Is this why the Jews were Holocausted?

67 Comments »

  1. The mass murder of phisically and mentally disabled people had been a test – and a training for personel – for the “Special Treatment” of Jews in Shoah (Holocaust). Franz Stangl, commander at Sobibor and Treblinka, had been very clear in his talks with Gitta Sereny in time he had been on trial in Germany.

    Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 13, 2015 @ 1:07 am

    • Mr Stangl has also been very clear in his talks with Gitta Sereny about the black-blue corpses he had seen in the mass graves of the Reinhardt camps. How could he have known that people who have died of carbon monoxide poisoning are supposed to be pink-red, not black-blue? Stangl postulated that suffocation with carbon monoxide probably looked like suffocation with a pillow on somebody’s face or suffocation by drowning. So he talked about black-blue corpses. But, unfortunately for Israel’s founding myth, forensic medicine is crystal clear about that: carbon monoxide poisonings cause the formation of a bright red pigment called carboxyhemoglobin in people’s blood, making such people’s skin turn pink-red. By trying to credit his story with sinister details, Stangl exposed a devastating fact: the commandant of Treblinka and Sobibor himself didn’t even know how gassed bodies were supposed to look like !!!

      Moreover, the orthodox narrative claiming the [alleged] Euthanasia gassings gave birth to the [alleged] Reinhardt gassings, is 100% nonsensical. Nobody would move from highly efficient gassings with bottle of pure carbon monoxide (100% CO) to quite inefficient gassings with engine exhaust (Diesel: 0.1-0.2% CO – Gasoline: 1-5% CO). Science doesn’t work that way. The inventor of car didn’t design inefficient triangular wheels to replace the highly efficient circular wheels of older carriages. Dumb technical nonsense !

      Comment by hermie — August 13, 2015 @ 7:40 am

      • Only Treblinka used diesel fumes to kill, the other camps used regular gasoline.
        Stangl described the pit full of corpses as “a mass of rotting flesh.” This seems to state that the pit was full of corpses in an advanced stage of decomposition. I’ve looked, I can’t find how long corpses keep the bright color. Admittedly I didn’t look too long.
        The reason why the camps didn’t use bottled carbon monoxide was that it would be expensive to ship to Poland, it was easier to use this in Germany for T4. The camps were intended to be secret, it would be harder to keep the camps secret if the camps received large deliveries of bottled carbon monoxide on a daily or weekly basis. Undoubtedly this would raise all sorts of awkward questions, the main one being, “why does a transit camp need this much bottled carbon monoxide?”
        I agree that there are more efficient ways to gas people. Zyclon B is more efficient, Hoess himself mentions this. From what I’ve read Globocnik insisted on using diesel/gas fumes to kill the Jews out of pure stubbornness.
        I’m still trying to see the benefit to Stangl, or any Nazi on trial, to admit that the Holocaust happened. Moreover, why would Stangl give an interview AFTER his conviction admitting what happened at Sobibor and Treblinka? If he was the commandant of a transit camp and not a death camp, why not deny that any Jews were deliberately killed? You are already serving a life sentence, it’s not like someone was going to extend his sentence or deny him parole.
        One of the core points to Nazi ideology was Anti-Semitism, why would Stangl care about the creation of a Jewish state?
        Why would Jews revolt in Sobibor and Treblinka if they were nothing more than transit camps? After the Jews revolted, why did the Nazis go out of their way to destroy any evidence that those camps existed?
        Why destroy Belzec so thoroughly? The camp basically stopped all transports by December of 1942. There was never a revolt at Belzec so there was no reason to stop using it.

        Comment by HCW — August 13, 2015 @ 6:55 pm

        • HCW: “Only Treblinka used diesel fumes to kill, the other camps used regular gasoline.”

          The orthodox narrative moved to gasoline for Treblinka too. Diesel exhaust is non-lethal. You’re not making the Holohoax any favours by repeating that old lie quietly dropped by Zionist-owned academia in recent years.

          But don’t worry. Gasoline or diesel, both would have been ridiculous choices for weapons of mass murder anyway. At that time, because of war shortage on oil, there were in Europe hundreds of thousands of vehicles fueled with wood/coal gas generators producing a very lethal exhaust (30% CO or even more). But we are supposed to believe that the Nazis opted for scarce fuels such as diesel and gasoline, instead of very abundant fuels such as coal and wood (the Reinhardt camps were in the middle of large forests after all), in order to generate much less lethal fumes for the implementation of their alleged Top secret program of mass murder. Dumb science…

          HCW: “Stangl described the pit full of corpses as “a mass of rotting flesh.” This seems to state that the pit was full of corpses in an advanced stage of decomposition. I’ve looked, I can’t find how long corpses keep the bright color. ”

          Pathetic dodging attempt. With the alleged killing rate there, the upper layers in such fictional mass graves would have been made of ‘fresh’ bodies continuously anyway. And moreover, the bodies of people suffocated by carbon monoxide wouldn’t have turned black-blue, but pale white, after the disappearance of the pink-red coloration.

          HCW: “The reason why the camps didn’t use bottled carbon monoxide was that it would be expensive to ship to Poland […] The camps were intended to be secret, it would be harder to keep the camps secret if the camps received large deliveries of bottled carbon monoxide on a daily or weekly basis. Undoubtedly this would raise all sorts of awkward questions”

          Laughable. Would it have been that hard to establish a special unit tasked with secret deliveries of bottled carbon monoxide to the Reinhardt camps?

          HCW: “I agree that there are more efficient ways to gas people. Zyclon B is more efficient, Hoess himself mentions this.”

          … in his ‘memoirs’ published by Communist Poland for the first time 11 years after his death. ahem…

          HCW: “From what I’ve read Globocnik insisted on using diesel/gas fumes to kill the Jews out of pure stubbornness.”

          And Himmler allegedly let him use that moronic weapon of mass murder without saying anything. The Nazis were pretty cool on discipline after all.

          As ludicrous as Hoess allegedly tasked with the implementation of the largest program of industrial mass murder ever seen and supposedly informing Eichmann some time later that he has just converted two tiny farms into gas chambers, but not sacked in the minute for coming up with that laughable ‘solution’.

          HCW: “I’m still trying to see…”

          Who cares about what your little brain fails to get?😉

          Comment by hermie — August 14, 2015 @ 7:28 am

          • Your comment should read: “he has just converted two tiny farmhouses into gas chambers.”

            I believe that Treblinka was a transit camp. I wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/was-treblinka-really-a-transit-camp/

            Comment by furtherglory — August 14, 2015 @ 9:55 am

            • Thanks for editing my mistake, furtherglory. And thanks for writing so many great articles these days. Appreciated.😉

              Comment by hermie — August 14, 2015 @ 6:39 pm

              • I meant “for correcting my mistake”.

                Comment by hermie — August 14, 2015 @ 6:40 pm

            • Trenlinka had been one of the three Dead Camps in Lunlin area. See also what Stangl said talking with Gitta Sereny.

              Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 15, 2015 @ 10:32 am

          • Diesel fumes is non-lethal………sure. Talk about a small brain.
            I’ll tell you what, sparky. Let’s try a little experiment. Please find a diesel vehicle. Get in your garage, shut the door and turn the engine on. Please film the results and up load them to YouTube. Let me know where to find the video and I will watch. If you are still alive in an hour I will immediately give up my belief that the Holocaust is real and become a Denier. I’d urge you to do this live and let me know your location so that I know where to send the paramedics.
            Diesel fumes are toxic, dumbass.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning
            http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning.aspx
            Honestly, saying diesel fumes are non-lethal……..I don’t even know how to react to that.
            Did you know that Poland is an oil producing country? Where you produce oil you can refine oil.http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=polish+oil+fields&qpvt=Polish+oil+fields&FORM=IGRE#view=detail&id=7F7C90A924E70914B0A0741BCF727F8364BAA6DA&selectedIndex=0
            I’ll grant you Poland is not Saudi Arabia but the camps in Poland has access to oil and gas products.
            Hoess actually testified about Auschwitz at Nuremberg first. He wrote his memoirs while he was awaiting execution.
            Here is copy of his testimony.
            http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/hoesstest.html
            You’ll note that he denied that that the guards were deliberately cruel to inmates and could be punished for transgressions. He also stated that every effort was made to feed the inmates and keep them healthy and that this only changed due to the scarcity of food at the end of the war. You would think that if he was under coercion his captors would make him say, “Yes, we beat and starved the prisoners.”
            As far as the Little Red house and the Little White house, Hoess realised that these were too small. This is why the larger gas chambers were built. The main focus of the Holocaust in 1942 were the Operation Reinhardt Camps,
            not Birkenau.
            As far as the bottled gas, you still have to order it, pay for it and ship it. Even a “special group” can’t make
            it appear out of thin air.
            I noticed that instead of giving an answer to the questions I posed you simply accused me of having a small brain and said who cares what I don’t get. I understand that the hardest thing for you deniers to deal with is that Nazis put on trial never denied the Holocaust, they simply say that they were ordered to commit these crimes. I realize the testimonies are inconvenient. I understand how hard it must be to watch your heroes grovel and say, “Uncle Adolph made me do it!!!!!!!” So much easier to pawn their crimes off on dead men like Hitler and Himmler rather than take responsibility for their actions. I understand why they did it, it’s human nature to shift blame.
            So, let me know when you are ready to lock yourself in a garage in a diesel vehicle. I’ll pop some popcorn and watch. I’ll keep 911 on speed dial so when things start to go bad I’ll call to have you rescued. You’ll need to let me know where you are so I can make sure to send them to the right place.

            Comment by HCW — August 14, 2015 @ 6:55 pm

            • HCW: “Diesel fumes is non-lethal………sure.”

              Yes, sure. You shouldn’t have slept for so long during your biology lessons.

              HCW: “Let’s try a little experiment. Please find a diesel vehicle. Get in your garage, shut the door and turn the engine on. Please film the results and up load them to YouTube.”

              Useless. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has operated a quite similar experiment in 2011 or 2012 in order to study the chronic toxicity of Diesel exhaust (especially its particulate matter) on sensitive people (people with metabolic syndrome, heart diseases, asthma, etc.), and failed to kill any of its super-sensitive human guinea pig.

              (Google “EPA human testing”, “EPA Eco-Fascist Gassing Experiment with Diesel Fumes” [‘Eco-fascist’ bwaaahaha, liberals are so moronic] and “EPA’s disturbing human experiements” if you want more info about that)

              In fact, only one case of “acute toxicity leading to death” has been reported as far as Diesel exhaust is concerned: the case of a 83-year-old man with ischaemic heart disease found dead in his Ford saloon car (http://www.vho.org/GB/c/FPB/DieselDeath.html). Beside the millions of fictional deaths of the Holohoax at the Reinhardt camps (or just the 900.000 ones at Treblinka), of course.

              “If you are still alive in an hour I will immediately give up my belief that the Holocaust is real and become a Denier.”

              Welcome among us, HCW !!😉

              HCW: “Diesel fumes are toxic, dumbass.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning
              http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning.aspx

              So why don’t you bring anything else but links to carbon monoxide poisoning, ignoramus? Of course, carbon monoxide poisoning may be lethal. But Diesel exhaust is almost exempt from carbon monoxide. Got it now?

              In fact, that’s because of the innocuousness of Diesel exhaust that only Diesel engines are used in mining industries for instance. And Kurt Gerstein was a mining engineer. So what do you conclude about his famous ‘testimony’ on Diesel exhaust as a weapon of mass murder?

              HCW: “You would think that if he was under coercion his captors would make him say, “Yes, we beat and starved the prisoners.””

              I didn’t talk about coercion. I was talking about some editings of his memoirs (additions) by guys of Communist Poland. You’re free to rely on the honesty of Communist Poland. I’m free not to do so.

              HCW: “As far as the Little Red house and the Little White house, Hoess realised that these were too small. This is why the larger gas chambers were built.”

              I was already aware of the orthodox narrative. Thank you. I was just surprised that Eichmann and Himmler didn’t punish or even sack him for that moronic blunder when he proudly told them about his ‘great idea’, after those alleged gas chambers had been completed.

              HCW: “I noticed that instead of giving an answer to the questions I posed you simply accused me of having a small brain and said who cares what I don’t get.”

              I could have responded your funny little questions, but I thought I had already spent enough time answering the rest of your comment. Do you want me to answer them now? Would that make you happy?

              HCW: ” I understand that the hardest thing for you deniers to deal with is that Nazis put on trial never denied the Holocaust, they simply say that they were ordered to commit these crimes.”

              Another Believers’ common lie.

              https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8165

              HCW: “I realize the testimonies are inconvenient. ”

              They are not inconvenient. They are just not probative and quite useless for any serious researcher. I’m not a lot into ufology and Marian apparitions. So testimonies are of no use to me. But I guess that everyone has the right of having his own evidential standards and that I’m supposed to respect the laughable childish evidential standards of others…

              Comment by hermie — August 15, 2015 @ 7:48 am

              • Of course you would call the experiment I proposed useless. You don’t want to do it, I understand why, it’s dangerous. What I said was that if you were still alive in an hour then I would become a Denier. Since your pie hole is still flapping you haven’t tried it yet so I will continue to call you a dumbass.
                And yes, I do want you to answer my questions. That’s why I asked them, does your numb denier brain not understand the concept of a question?
                So, eyewitness statements mean nothing to history? How do you think we know about historical events? Someone had to witness the event and relay that information either by either writing it down or telling someone.
                By the way, why do you keep referring to UFOs and Marian apparitions? I know you deniers live in a fantasy world, you don’t have to remind me of that.
                I really don’t care what Hoess wrote in his memoirs. Hoess testified at Nuremberg that he thought carbon monoxide gas was an inefficient way to kill, this is why he used Zyclon B. He TESTIFIED to this before he wrote his memoirs so I could care less if the communists edited his memoirs to say that Hoess drowned Jews in chocolate pudding after serving the Jews pancakes in bed. His memoirs are irrelevant, his testimony is what matters.
                You don’t realize your own hypocrisy. I tried to go to CODOH but I received a warning from my Kindle not to proceed due to a security issue with the sites security certificate. On reflection I realized that I didn’t need to see it, it was probably testimony from some Nazi saying the Holocaust didn’t happen. So, testimony from my sources are all lies, distortions and brainwashing while yours are the truth? The idiocy of that is mind numbing.

                Comment by HCW — August 15, 2015 @ 10:56 am

                • It seems you’re losing your temper…and your nice self-confidence (Or was that only usual Jewish arrogance?). Funny.😉

                  May I be replaced by a rabbit or a guinea-pig in your gassing experiment, sir? Oops. Already done. By Gentlemen Pattle and al in 1957. In the worst running conditions of their experiment (i.e. with air intake obstructed), those gentlemen were unable to kill the nice rabbits and the sweet guinea-pigs of their experiment in less than 3 hr. 20 min. (http://vho.org/GB/c/FPB/ToxDiesel.html) Very far from the alleged Reinhard gas chambers, said to kill Jews in from 5 or 7 minutes to 30 minutes (according to your dear testimonies – http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/argaschambers.html).

                  HCW: “So, eyewitness statements mean nothing to history?”

                  No, they don’t. They can help in the search of physical evidence. But they don’t mean anything alone.

                  HCW: “How do you think we know about historical events? Someone had to witness the event and relay that information either by either writing it down or telling someone.”

                  You really think chroniclers praising the glory of their employers are neutral reporters? Are you joking? Our knowledge of most history is mere biased storytelling intented to support our own current moral standards. It has always been that way. European historians of the past used to write history in a Christian way, with “Oriente lux” stuff and such garbage in every corner, while today’s historians write history mainly as a lesson of globalistic “living together” and “universal brotherhood”. Today’s historians can drape in a costume of scientist (consistent qith our time) if they enjoy that. But they are and will always be the Establishment’s storytellers.

                  HCW: “By the way, why do you keep referring to UFOs and Marian apparitions? I know you deniers live in a fantasy world, you don’t have to remind me of that.”

                  Suddenly, testimonies aren’t probative anymore. You don’t believe in alien abductions and Marian apparitions? What about the very, very numerous testimonies about those things? Are you a Bigfoot denier or something? ;-O

                  HCW: “I really don’t care what Hoess wrote in his memoirs.”

                  So you’re discarding Hoess’ memoirs? Fine. Dully noted.

                  HCW: “Hoess testified at Nuremberg that he thought carbon monoxide gas was an inefficient way to kill, this is why he used Zyclon B. He TESTIFIED to this before he wrote his memoirs ”

                  What’s the difference? In the field of evidence, I mean. Frankly, Hoess’s testimony, shaking like a leaf in the wind and reciting like a robot, was a quite afflicting sight.

                  HCW: “His memoirs are irrelevant”

                  OK. Noted again.

                  HCW: “his testimony is what matters”

                  Glad you enjoyed the show.

                  HCW: “I tried to go to CODOH but I received a warning from my Kindle not to proceed due to a security issue with the sites security certificate.”

                  You should have read: “a security issue for Israel’s founding myth”. Contact Google to tell them about that IT malfunction.

                  More seriously, you can fearlessly follow the link I’ve posted. It’s safe. That blocking is only a trick used by people who have nothing to hide…

                  “it was probably testimony from some Nazi saying the Holocaust didn’t happen. So, testimony from my sources are all lies, distortions and brainwashing while yours are the truth? The idiocy of that is mind numbing.”

                  I didn’t say that the words told by Nazi “deniers” are probative. You claimed that no Nazi ever denied the “Holocaust”. And I just responded with a link to Nazis denying the “Holocaust”. What’s so hard to understand in that?

                  You were wrong. Admit it. And just move on.

                  “And yes, I do want you to answer my questions.”

                  Ironic to hear that from somebody almost never answering my own questions or answering with laconic and vague dodgings.

                  I’ll try to do it later nevertheless. I’m short on time right now.

                  Bye.

                  Comment by hermie — August 15, 2015 @ 3:17 pm

                • Thank you for providing me a copy of that report. Unfortunately the layout is so garbled I couldn’t read it so I found a copy I could read on line.
                  You of course did not mention that in experiment D that 17 out of 20 mice died in the first hour. Why is that important? In fact, why use mice or rats in experiments for drugs intended for humans?
                  Well, mice and rats share many genetic, biological and behavioral characteristics with humans. It tracks that the exhaust would affect humans and mice the same way.
                  There is also a difference between placing small animals in a fairly large enclosure and sticking a large amount of people in a small room. In the experiment the researchers placed 2 rabbits, 5 guinea pigs and 20 mice in a room measuring approximately 353 cubic feet. The Nazis crammed hundreds of people into small air tight spaces and slammed the door shut. The people in the rooms would rapidly start to use up the available oxygen. Also, all three death camps had a trail called a “tube” that the victims were forced to run down to the gas chambers. All those men, women and children, panting in an air tight space. Now, introduce something toxic to the remaining air supply. You can easily modify a diesel engine to produce carbon monoxide levels of 6%, this is a lethal amount. You modify it by adjusting the fuel pump so that it injects more fuel. In experiment D, the researchers inserted a metal blank to reduce the air intake, this increased the the carbon monoxide levels to 22%. Anything over 4% is lethal. I’m sure there were plenty of competent engineers in the Third Reich who could make the adjustments. For that matter, I’m sure there were plenty of competent mechanics that could make the adjustments.
                  Of course I did mention that Poland is an oil producing country. I noticed you brushed past that like it’s not important. The closer one is to a resource the easier it is to use that resource, for example, I’m sure people that live in the Saar region have no difficulty getting coal. The same way that people who live in Nebraska don’t have a problem getting corn.
                  I realize that I did not adequately answer your query about the color of the corpses in the burial pit. I stated the corpses were in an advanced state of decomposition but didn’t explain further. I neglected to mention the timeline.
                  The original commandant of Treblinka was Irmfried Eberl. He ran the camp from it’s inception, July 11th until August 26th when he was dismissed by Odilo Globocnik for incompetence. Ebert allowed too many transports into the camp, causing a backlog. Instead of gassing the Jews the guards were shooting the prisoners as they exited the trains, causing a body pile up. In addition, this was causing delays in unloading the trains and many of the Jews were dying inside of the train cars. Reports state there were bodies everywhere, swelling and decomposing in the hot summer sun, along with clothes and baggage. Globus suspended all transports on the 28th and began the process of cleaning the camp up. Stangl arrived that day and this is where the meeting occurred. The main point of this was that the corpses in the pit were not fresh out of the gas chamber, this was part of the camp clean up. I hope this clears up the confusion.
                  Apparently you missed the part in Hoess’s testimony where he denied prisoners were mistreated or starved. He also blamed the allies for the condition of camps. Doesn’t sound like man shaking like a leaf or trying to curry favor to me. I don’t think you read it. That hurts my feelings, I went through so much trouble to find it.
                  Well, it’s been fun. I enjoyed it.
                  While you are working on the questions I posed above, here are some new ones:
                  Why would the Nazis blow up crematoria/delousing buildings in Birkenau if that were their only function? The Nazis did not blow up the other delousing buildings at Auschwitz. Crematoria have no military function.
                  Why blow up the manor house at Chelmno? It’s just an abandoned building. It also has no military function.
                  If the Holocaust is all lies and written documentation all forgeries, why didn’t someone think to forge an order by Adolph Hitler ordering the Holocaust? From what I understand about Denier mythology, the “Holohoax” was a long term conspiracy with forged documentation and doctored photos. That took some long term thinking.
                  For that matter, why not simply fake a video directly showing a gassing of Jews at any of the camps? Or pictures? The only pictures I know of that come close to this is four grainy, out of focus pictures shot in secret at Birkenau in 1944.
                  Feel free to answer at your convenience.

                  Comment by HCW — August 15, 2015 @ 11:10 pm

                • HCW: “You of course did not mention that in experiment D that 17 out of 20 mice died in the first hour. Why is that important? In fact, why use mice or rats in experiments for drugs intended for humans?”

                  A similarity in brain activity has no connection with the sensivity to a non-psychotropic poison like carbon monoxide. Unrelated topics.

                  In the experiment on diesel, the mice died earlier because of the lower weight. Basic toxicity. When vets put an animal to sleep, they calculate the amount of drug needed with the weight of their four-legged patient.

                  HCW: “You can easily modify a diesel engine to produce carbon monoxide levels of 6%, this is a lethal amount. You modify it by adjusting the fuel pump so that it injects more fuel. In experiment D, the researchers inserted a metal blank to reduce the air intake, this increased the the carbon monoxide levels to 22%. Anything over 4% is lethal.”

                  Where did you get your “6%” and “22%”? On page 3 of the report, I read “0.22% CO” under running condition D1 and “0.12% CO” under D2. And on page 4, there is a table that says “0.17% CO” under condition D.

                  HCW: “I’m sure there were plenty of competent engineers in the Third Reich who could make the adjustments. For that matter, I’m sure there were plenty of competent mechanics that could make the adjustments.”

                  And I’m sure there were plenty of competent engineers in the Third Reich who could tell Globocnick and others to use wood gas generators producing fumes with over 30% CO in them without any adjustment and without any consumption of the fuel needed for German planes, ships, trucks and tanks.

                  Anyway, as I’ve already told you, academia has now dropped diesel and moved to gasoline even for Treblinka. So no need to waste your time (and mine) with adjustments to make diesel exhaust lethal and other diesel stuff. Do an update and move on.

                  HCW: “Of course I did mention that Poland is an oil producing country. I noticed you brushed past that like it’s not important.”

                  But was Poland an oïl producing country in the 1940’s? From what I know, most (if not all) of the oil fields of Poland were discovered in 1990’s and most (if not all) of the gas fields of Poland were discovered in the 1950’s and 1960’s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_industry_in_Poland#Oil_and_gas_fields_in_Poland). Germany’s main supplier of oil during WW2 was Romania. In 1941, the Germans feared a Soviet attack on Romania because of that.

                  HCW: “I’m sure people that live in the Saar region have no difficulty getting coal.”

                  There were many coal mines in Germany and Poland. The Germans could have easily used coal to feed gas generators and produce highly toxic fumes for their alleged homicidal gas chambers. But they didn’t do that. They, we’re said, rather opted for the use of scarce fuel producing fumes much less toxic. Dumb and dumber…

                  At Auschwitz, there was a gasification plant producing synthetic rubber…and pure carbon monoxide as a byproduct. Bringing that industrial waste to Birkenau through a pipe, or even better building their alleged homicidal gas chambers at Monowitz in the vicinity of that plant, would have been a breeze. But there again, they supposedly opted for a moronic weapon (expensive Zyklon B).instead of a free and efficient weapon available in almost limitless amounts there (carbon monoxide). D’oh.

                  HCW: “Why would the Nazis blow up crematoria/delousing buildings in Birkenau if that were their only function?”

                  To deprive the Soviets of propagandistic food for their cremation-based horror circus like the one at Majdanek.

                  HCW: “Why blow up the manor house at Chelmno? It’s just an abandoned building. It also has no military function.”

                  Never heard of something called “scortched earth” Policy? When an army retreats, not only things with military function are destroyed. Eveything that can be of any use to the enemy is destroyed. During Operation Barbarossa (or Great Boshevik Blitz Retreat), the Soviets burned down very numerous farmhouses (and later blamed it on the Germans, but that’s another story) in order to deprive the Germans of any shelter, food, etc.

                  HCW: “If the Holocaust is all lies and written documentation all forgeries, why didn’t someone think to forge an order by Adolph Hitler ordering the Holocaust?”

                  Never said the written documentation is all forgeries. But you must concede that one needs the Holohoaxsters’ magic “decoder ring” (http://codoh.com/library/document/364/) to find evidence of a genocidal policy in the tons of documents of the Third Reich. Otherwise there are only commonplace documents about war, forced labor, population gatherings and transfers, etc.

                  “The archives torn from the bowels of the Third Reich, the depostions and accounts of its chiefs permit us to reconstruct in their least detail the birth and the development of its plans for aggression, its military campaigns, and the whole range of processes by which the Nazis intended to reshape the world to their pattern. Only the campaign to exterminate the Jews, as concerns its completion, as well as in many other essential aspects, remains steeped in fog. Psychological inferences and considerations, third- or fourth-hand accounts, allow us to reconstruct the developments with a considerable verisimilitude. Certain details, nevertheless, will remain unknown forever. As concerns the concept proper of the plan for total extermination, the three or four principal actors are dead. No document remains, and has perhaps never existed.” – Leon Poliakov, Breviaire de la haine (Breviary of Hate) , Paris, 1979, p. 134.

                  “Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable.” – Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The “Final Solution” in History By Arno J. Mayer. Pantheon Books (1990 edition), p. 362.

                  HCW: “From what I understand about Denier mythology, the “Holohoax” was a long term conspiracy with forged documentation and doctored photos.”

                  It seems you’ve misunderstood what ‘deniers’ say. Even if forged documentation and photos were indeed used…and often exposed.

                  Comment by hermie — August 16, 2015 @ 9:06 am

                • I understand the confusion about Polish oil. Technically Drohobych is now a part of the Ukraine but from 1919 until 1939 it was a part of Poland. Here is more information:
                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drohobych
                  Poland had oil fields in the south during that time.
                  Um, when you convert a decimal to percentage you remove the . and add the %.
                  http://www.mathsisfun.com/converting-decimals-percents.html
                  Happy to help you out with this.
                  As far as Auschwitz, they also ordered lots of Zyclon B. They had that in abundance to combat pests. It was a standard pesticide for delousing.
                  You are assuming that Germans will always do the most logical or most efficient thing. Christian Wirth used bottled carbon monoxide in the T4 program and decided to use engines for the Reinhardt camps for the reasons I’ve already explained. I agree that there are probably better ways to murder large numbers of people, hindsight is always 20/20. The lack of logic does not disprove that the Holocaust. Wirth built on his experiences in the T4 and the use of gas vans. Gas vans utilized their exhaust systems to kill. The Nazis started using gas vans because shooting large numbers of people is messy, hard to keep secret and stressful on the killers. There is an inherent logic in the evolution from mass shooting to gas vans to stationary gas chambers. Whatever the Nazis used to gas people made sense to them at that time, arguing that there are better ways to gas people is meaningless. Hoess stated in his testimony that he didn’t agree with method of gassing at Treblinka and this is why he used Zyclon B.
                  As the killing component in ZB is hydrogen cyanide it makes a great deal of sense to use it to kill humans.
                  Blowing up an empty manor house in western Poland is an example of scorched earth policy????? After allowing the Soviets to capture Auschwitz practically intact? Huh? Far better to expend the energy to destroy Auschwitz.
                  The only reason to blow it up is to conceal the evidence of a crime. The Nazis did the same thing at Belzec, Treblinka and Sobibor.
                  http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/israeli/yad-vashem/yvs16-11.html
                  If you are going to quote Arno Mayer you need to give the full quote and it’s context. http://debunkingdenialism.com/2011/09/10/exposing-holocaust-deniers-quote-mine-of-historian-arno-mayer/

                  Comment by HCW — August 17, 2015 @ 6:07 pm

                • HCW: “I understand the confusion about Polish oil. Technically Drohobych is now a part of the Ukraine but from 1919 until 1939 it was a part of Poland. Here is more information: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drohobych Poland had oil fields in the south during that time.”

                  And the Germans were beginning to run dry from 1942 in spite of that…

                  If the Third Reich had such limitless amounts of oil at its disposal during WW2, why did the Nazis compelled so many of their citizens to run on wood-coal gas generators at that time? Sadism? The beauty of such devices?

                  HCW: “Um, when you convert a decimal to percentage you remove the . and add the %. http://www.mathsisfun.com/converting-decimals-percents.html Happy to help you out with this.”

                  Those results were written in percents, not in decimals as you claim. Everybody can check the paper and see what a shameless liar you are. Sorry for catching you with your pants down. Chutzpah is not always enough.

                  But I can understand why you used such a gross trick. The ridiculously-low amounts of carbon monoxide in diesel exhaust make you – and Gerstein, and Eichmann, and Hilberg, and many other Holohoaxsters – look like pathetic clowns or funny practical jokers.

                  HCW: ” There is an inherent logic in the evolution from mass shooting to gas vans to stationary gas chambers.”

                  And what about THIS inherent logic?

                  The Brits told the Zionists of that time “There will never be a Jewish state in Palestine” with their MacDonald White Paper of May 1939 because a general Muslim revolt would have destroyed their own empire. And the Zionists reacted to that by making their case “irresistible” (as the British Labour Party termed it in December 1944 and again in Spring 1945) with an extermination hoax supposed to demonstrate the vital need to establish a country for them. Three years after the end of WW2, the state of Israel was established, less than one year before the deadline of the White Paper providing for the establishment of an Arab-dominated State of Palestine with what the Zionists used to call a “ghetto status” for the Jews living there.

                  HCW: “The only reason to blow it up is to conceal the evidence of a crime.”

                  Useless. The alleged mass murder had supposedly taken place in gas vans, not in the manor itself. What kind of evidence of a mass murder were supposed to be found in that manor?

                  Comment by hermie — August 18, 2015 @ 9:20 pm

                • Where did you get the idea that I said limitless? War uses up oil reserves quicker than normal peace time use. In addition to the Soviet Union Germany was fighting in North Africa and fighting in the air above Germany against the allied bombing campaign. The German army was chronically short of fuel. My point is that there was oil in Poland for the Germans to use. The Germans were also chronically short of rolling stock for their railways but they still managed to find stock to transport Jews to the camps.
                  They made their citizens use the generators because they were using the oil/gas for other purposes. All of the governments involved in the war rationed gasoline and their citizens used other devices to make due.
                  We were talking about the camps, what does the white paper have to do with it? That logic only works if you live in a fantasy world where the scary Zionists force everyone to do their will. I can see the convenience of that way of thinking, relying on stereotypes makes life so much easier to deal with.
                  Gas vans are moveable, buildings are not. The Nazis used the house as a base, rather than risking evidence of murder being committed falling into the hands of the Soviets they blew up the building.
                  I was being sarcastic about the percentages.
                  Oh, and next time you quote Mayer give the full quote.
                  http://debunkingdenialism.com/2011/09/10/exposing-holocaust-deniers-quote-mine-of-historian-arno-mayer/

                  Comment by HCW — August 19, 2015 @ 5:01 pm

                • HCW: “The German army was chronically short of fuel. My point is that there was oil in Poland for the Germans to use. […] They made their citizens use the generators because they were using the oil/gas for other purposes. All of the governments involved in the war rationed gasoline and their citizens used other devices to make due.”

                  And do all governments also have special plants to make synthetic fuel? Oil was a very scarce resource for the Germans during WW2. Period.

                  HCW: “We were talking about the camps, what does the white paper have to do with it? ”

                  Don’t you know who first told the world about Hitler’s alleged extermination order?

                  Arch Zionist leader Stephen Wise (his name was even mentioned in the Joint Declaration of 11 United Nations of mid-December 1942, the statement that made the Holohoax official Allied atrocity propaganda during WW2), in November and December 1942.

                  HCW: “Gas vans are moveable, buildings are not. The Nazis used the house as a base, rather than risking evidence of murder being committed falling into the hands of the Soviets they blew up the building”

                  What evidence of murder exactly? What evidence of a gigantic mass murder could be found within the walls of that manor? Your funny theory can’t stand on its own feet.

                  Comment by hermie — August 21, 2015 @ 9:01 am

  2. There seems to be a lot of comments attached here with regard to the view that some people have that Jews use their ethnic network to escape the consequences of their misbehaviour. When the founder and chairman of the HET , who previously was chair of the UK Jewish Board of Deputies uses every trick in the book to not even appear for one minute in the courts where he is charged with the sexual rape of young boys over a 30 year period then you may perhaps understand non Jews concern.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3193659/Lord-Janner-AVOID-court-child-abuse-charges-breach-human-rights.html

    Comment by peter — August 12, 2015 @ 1:50 am

    • How shocking, you mean a famous person is using every legal trick in the book to stay out of court??????????????????????????????????
      He must have got the idea from R. Kelly, Paula Poundstone and Mark Wahlberg, all of whom committed crimes and didn’t do any prison time. Kelly and Poundstone sexually assaulted children and neither one did time. By the way, none of those people are Jews.
      By the way, the story says he will be forced to go to court.

      Comment by HCW — August 12, 2015 @ 7:49 am

      • Well even your co religionists seem to be very suspicious as to why charges of buggery with boys were initially going to be dropped ,as this article from “Jewish News ” , Britain’s biggest newspaper for Jews points out. Fortunately an independent Judge reviewed the case and said that he should appear in court.. His “medical specialists ” seem to believe that he will ” suffer terribly ” with his one minute appearance in court. He was of course famous but more than that he has been untouchable for 25 years whilst vile crimes have been committed.beacuse of protection offered by his roles at the Board of Deputies, the World Jewish Congress, the Commonwealth Jewish Council, the Holocaust Education Trust and the Jewish Leadership Council.
        http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/lord-janner-quietly-dropped-from-top-positions-in-community-organisations/

        Comment by peter — August 12, 2015 @ 8:46 am

        • You said co-religionist. I’m not a Jew. Of course you would jump to that conclusion because you have Jews on the brain. The point still stands.

          Comment by P.O. Truth — August 12, 2015 @ 10:20 am

          • Actually I have never had Jews on the brain. I suppose my interest in the ” Holocaust ” comes from my recognition that the people who promote the world religion of Holocaustianity are the same people who promote the joys of multi kulti living. The latter is making me a minority in my own land and the town I live in is full of people who have no love for this land and its original inhabitants.

            Comment by peter — August 12, 2015 @ 1:40 pm

    • And where in the story says that this guy used his ethnic network?

      Comment by HCW — August 12, 2015 @ 8:02 am

  3. I was born during World War II in the US to an Austrian mother and an American father. They named me Norbert, after my mother’s Nazi brother.

    I didn’t fit in worth a damn. Still don’t, even after changing my name.

    Wonder if I’d have fit in any better in Germany? Then? Now?

    Nah … I’m SURE I wouldn’t have fit in with the Nazis.

    But I got along great with my Uncle Norbert!

    Comment by N. Joseph Potts — August 11, 2015 @ 2:21 pm

  4. Well, I don’t know about you, but shooting, gassing and starvation seems like a bit of an overkill for cheating.
    Do all Jews cheat? Seems like you are trying to say that all of the suffering was justified for cheating. The children and women who died deserved to be “holocausted.” The artisans and farmers deserved to die for being a skilled worker or for farming the land.
    Let’s not forget other Nazi victims. I guess the mentally and physically ill deserved what they got because they had the audacity to be born. Or the Red Army soldiers who the Nazis systematically starved and mistreated deserved this because they had the audacity to be born in the Soviet Union and so were subject to conscription. Of course this was there fault, never mind the fact they faced death if they refused to serve or deserted. Their families were under the same sentence as well. Let’s not forget the Polish, who had the audacity to resist the German invasion. They deserved their fate as well, their lands seized, their leaders murdered, their children kidnapped.
    No one deserves to be “holocausted.’ Perpetuating stereotypes makes it more likely that such atrocities will happen again.

    Comment by HCW — August 11, 2015 @ 11:50 am

    • Are you trying to say that the Jews did nothing at all to provoke the Germans? They were Holocausted for no reason at all?

      The Jews have been kicked out of almost every country in the world, since the beginning of time, and you say that it was always for no reason at all? Did the Jews become “the wandering Jews” because every country in the world wanted them, but they couldn’t decide which country to settle in?

      When the word Jew is used as a verb, what does it mean? Is the word German ever used as a verb? Can you German someone? If so, what does that mean?

      What about the expression: “When you shake hands with a Jew, count your fingers afterwards.” Why was that expression created? Are the Jews so loving and giving, that you might end up with 6 fingers on one hand, after shaking hands with a Jew?

      Comment by furtherglory — August 11, 2015 @ 12:19 pm

      • To answer your question, I’m going to broaden our perspective. I’ve included three examples below which show that not only Jews but other religious minorities were persecuted in Europe. You can read them if you want, but basically each example shows that it doesn’t pay to be a religious minority. Protestants in Catholic countries, Catholics in Protestant countries and Muslims in Christian countries were expelled, murdered or forced to convert. Jews were a minority, they dressed differently, they ate differently and most important they worshipped differently, just like the examples below. It’s human nature that when someone sticks out the urge is to hammer them down. The other urge is to draw on half-truths and outright lies to stereotype them. For example, the Huguenots were alleged to be devil worshipers that murdered children.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Huguenots_under_Louis_XV
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism
        And as for your comment about shaking hands with Jews, I found other references to this expression:
        http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question65374.html
        Indonesians also said this about Dutcmen. I’m going to assume that not all Dutcmen are Jews.
        Here is a list of expressions that deal with stereotyping, only a few of which deal with Jews.
        http://fos.iloveindia.com/stereotypes-examples.html

        Comment by HCW — August 11, 2015 @ 2:03 pm

        • broaden our perspective

          Why? The question was about Jews specifically. More specifically still, about why the Nazis were so anti-Semitic.

          From the rest of your comment, it seems you believe Jews were singled out, at least partly, just because they were different: Jews were a minority, they dressed differently, they ate differently and most important they worshipped differently,…. Maybe so. But that seems a little simplistic. Re the Nazis, there was a lot more to it than that. For example, the Nazis blamed Jewish socialist political agitators like Rosa Luxemburg for fomenting unrest — the ‘stab in the back’.

          Whether there is a rational basis for anti-Semitism is rarely discussed — it is almost a taboo.

          Comment by eah — August 11, 2015 @ 2:42 pm

          • You missed my point completely. Somehow I’m not surprised.
            You focus on Jews for some reason. What I am saying is that not only Jews were kicked out but other minorities as well. To think that only Jews were persecuted is ridiculous because history shows otherwise.

            Comment by HCW — August 11, 2015 @ 2:55 pm

            • You really are a silly dishonest moron. The issue was the ‘Holocausting’ (not my phrasing), and more generally, the persecution, of the Jews. We all know other groups have been persecuted — we don’t need you to instruct us on that. Your point is simply not relevant — it does not help to explain why the Jews were ‘Holocausted’ (“).

              Comment by eah — August 11, 2015 @ 3:14 pm

              • And you are narrow minded bigot whose world is defined by his obsession with a Jewish world conspiracy.
                Now that we have that of the way….
                My point is completely relevant. The Jews, like other groups, were singled out because they stuck out from the societies they lived in. By the 20th century the Jews remained as the most prominent non-Christian group in Europe, as such they were a target. It took someone like Hitler to translate that from persecution to murder.
                BTW, you can’t come up with a single instance where I’ve been dishonest. Considering what you believe if I was you I’d be real hesitant to call someone a moron. Why don’t you you take off your tin foil hat and go have some warm milk(

                Comment by HCW — August 11, 2015 @ 3:37 pm

                • Please show me one of my comments where I wrote about “a Jewish world conspiracy”. Just one. Take your time. I’ll wait.

                  Comment by eah — August 12, 2015 @ 12:40 pm

                • You’re right — I think “dishonest” was not the right word. I think you are just stupid.

                  Comment by eah — August 12, 2015 @ 12:56 pm

                • There is not enough time in my day to go through all the stupid crap you spout off about. I prefer to reply back on individual comments.
                  As far as me being stupid, I at least have enough intelligence to recognize denier BS when I see it.

                  Comment by HCW — August 12, 2015 @ 1:09 pm

                • There is not enough time…

                  If you will not or cannot provide some evidence to back up such statements…then STFU, you POS.

                  Again: I explained why I think you are stupid/a moron.

                  Comment by eah — August 12, 2015 @ 1:28 pm

              • I’m glad to see you aren’t going to deny you are a narrow minded bigot. What’s the matter, a Jew got your tongue?

                Comment by HCW — August 11, 2015 @ 8:40 pm

                • How am I a bigot? Please find a statement in any of my comments that justifies you calling me a bigot. Just one. Take your time. I’ll wait.

                  I explained why I think you are stupid/a moron.

                  Comment by eah — August 12, 2015 @ 12:58 pm

            • You missed my point completely.

              And you’re a moron because you think I missed your point. In fact, I succinctly summarized your point, and then dismissed it as irrelevant — it did nothing to explain why the Nazis were so anti-Semitic. Claiming other groups have been persecuted because they were different does nothing to explain why the Jews were virtually singled out to be ‘Holocausted’ (“) by the Nazis.

              Persecution of black people in Nazi Germany

              While Black people in Nazi Germany were never subject to mass extermination…

              You probably could not be more different than being a black person in Nazi Germany — they must have really stood out! Yet they weren’t ‘Holocausted’ (“).

              So I think suggesting or saying the Jews were ‘Holocausted’ (“) because they were different doesn’t quite cut it as a convincing explanation.

              Comment by eah — August 12, 2015 @ 12:51 pm

              • You mentioned blacks in Germany and that they weren’t “holocausted.”
                I think that shows growth, eah. You didn’t talk about Jews.
                However, since you mentioned it, the Germans did “holocaust” the mentally and physically disabled. They were different.
                I think I need an explanation from you why you think the Nazis were anti-Semetic. Please enlighten me, that way I know where you are coming from.

                Comment by HCW — August 12, 2015 @ 1:34 pm

                • I also think it’s growth on your part that you have graduated from telling me to get lost to using big boy words like moron. Someone’s been looking up new words in the dictionary.

                  Comment by HCW — August 12, 2015 @ 1:52 pm

                • I blogged about Hartheim Castle where the “mentally and physically disabled” were Holocausted on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/the-crematorium-at-hartheim-castle/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 12, 2015 @ 2:07 pm

                • You didn’t talk about Jews.

                  Show me one of my comments where I ‘talk about Jews’, in aggregate — eg make some generalized remark, more or less out of context, perhaps an unflattering remark (that’s what you’re talking about, right?) about Jews in general. Just one. Take your time. I’ll wait.

                  Comment by eah — August 13, 2015 @ 12:38 am

                • big boy words like moron

                  And actually, I used the word succinctly, which most people would say is more of a “big boy” word than moron (which every 10 year old probably knows).

                  But then I did observe that you are stupid.

                  Comment by eah — August 13, 2015 @ 6:05 am

      • Tell me what did the Jews to provoke the Germans or any other nation? In Germany in 1914 the Jew Rathenau developped the logistical system which allowed the German Army to resist for four years. The same Rathenau concluded in 1922 the treaty with URSS which made possible for German military to train in Russia with material forbidden by Versailles Treaty. The inventor of a chemical material which helped on the shortage in WWI of an imported stuff died in Theresienstadt. Then,let us discuss how White, Anglesaxon, Protestant bankers with their foolish tricks provoked the 1929 world crisis which made the rise on power of Hitler and other dictators possible. And the attitude of President Wilson to punish the whole German nation for the guilt of Emperor and military class making so impossible for the democratic governments of Weimar to cope with economic and social problems? And I could go on.

        Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 11, 2015 @ 11:21 pm

        • Wolf, I think you forget that main force behind the Versailles Treaty was France. Wilson was persuaded to agree to the treaty because one of its provisions stated the League of Nations would review its terms. The rest of your statement I agree with.

          Comment by HCW — August 12, 2015 @ 7:59 am

      • Below, a short video of David Irving telling a story about Jews never wondering why they’ve always been hated everywhere.

        From around 2:20

        Comment by hermie — August 12, 2015 @ 7:43 am

        • I thought you deniers didn’t like Irving anymore because he now believes Jews were “holocausted.”
          Are there any other videos by bigots you could turn up? Say something by David Duke? That would be pretty funny too.

          Comment by HCW — August 12, 2015 @ 7:56 am

          • “I thought you deniers didn’t like Irving anymore because he now believes Jews were “holocausted.””

            Irving has always believed Jews were “holocausted”. Disbelief in what even the Auschwitz museum has finally conceded too now (i.e. that the “gas chamber” displayed at Auschwitz 1 is a ridiculous forgery (the hoaxsters say “reconstructed”) made by Communists after WW2) has never turned anybody into a “denier”. No matter what Ms. Lipstadt has to say about that. Even if I can easily understand why a fraud like Debie Lipstadt decided to label Irving ‘a denier’ or even ‘a leading denier’. Makes her victory in court look more glorious.

            As far as i am concerned, I don’t dislike David Irving, and I never did. I don’t always share his opinions and conclusions. But I don’t dislike him because of that. He’s a clever & knowledgeable man. Always pleasant to listen to or read stuff by him.

            ‘Bigots’? I’ve noticed that you often use all the verbal garbage of liberal fags in your fallacious ‘arguments’. Quite funny, Schlomo.

            Comment by hermie — August 12, 2015 @ 2:30 pm

            • I enjoy the the big words like fallacious.
              Please don’t call me schlomo, I prefer Hasbera Cyber Warrior. It’s more heroic.
              And Irving is a weathervane.

              Comment by HCW — August 12, 2015 @ 2:40 pm

              • Feel free to prove Irving is a weathervane and once denied the alleged homicidal gassings at the Reinhardt camps, Hasbara hero.

                Anyway prison, judicial bullyings, economic strangulation and media lynchings helped Irving a lot to realize who are the real bosses in today’s England and Europe in general and what one is not allowed to say in our beloved Orwellian world under Jewish tyranny.

                Comment by hermie — August 13, 2015 @ 7:55 am

                • David Irving now says publicly that he believes that Treblinka was a “death camp.” I blogged about this at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/holocaust-denier-david-irving-will-visit-treblinka-death-camp/

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 13, 2015 @ 9:53 am

                • 1977-In Hitler’s War, Irving writes that the Holocaust occurred but that Hitler knew nothing about it, blaming Himmler and Heydrich.
                  1980-Irving refuses an invite to a Denier Conference, stating that it would damage his reputation.
                  1983-Irving attends his first Denier Conference but at this point does not deny the Holocaust took place.
                  He does state during a speech that he operates in a way to give himself the maximum amount publicity.
                  1986-Irving states in a speech that photographs taken at the end of the war prove that the allies are responsible for the Holocaust, not Germany.
                  1986-Irving meets Ernst Zundel, Holocaust Denier. Irving tells Zundel to stay away from him but later changes his mind after Zundel offers to increase Irving’s publicity on future speaking tours. Zundel and Irving become friends
                  and later Irving agrees to speak at Zundel’s trial.
                  1988-Irving and Faurisson contact Leuchter during the course of Zundel’s trial in order to prove that the Holocaust is a myth. Irving states that working on the trial has turned him into a Denier.
                  1989-David Irving writes in a pamphlet that there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz and labels them a hoax. In the pamphlet he also claims that the Holocaust was fabricated by the British Psychological Warfare Executive.
                  By the late 90’s and 2000’s Irving changes his tune.
                  2005-….”By 1991, when I came across the Eichman papers…The Nazis did kill millions of Jews.”
                  Quotes by Irving (I have not given dates because I am not sure when he said them, they are from a website with Irving’s quotes):
                  I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz.
                  I’m not a Holocaust Denier, I’ve changed my views.

                  Weathervane. When Zundel promised him more publicity he swung that way. When he got in trouble he swung back the other way.

                  Comment by HCW — August 13, 2015 @ 10:00 pm

                • Sorry I forgot the ones dealing with the Reinhardt camps:
                  1991-“this myth about the mass murders in…Auschwitz, Majdanek and Treblinka…Will be disproved…”
                  1989-In the pamphlet I described above, while boasting that he discovered alleged Hitler diaries to be fakes, Irving
                  equated this forgery to the forgery of the gas chambers at Auschwitz, Majdanek and Treblinka.

                  Comment by HCW — August 13, 2015 @ 10:12 pm

                • I fail to see Irving’s time in jail in your funny little bio. But jail probably didn’t affect his recent politically-correct ‘updates’, did it?

                  Distorted history in a vacuum is a bad habit of believers, I see…😉

                  Comment by hermie — August 14, 2015 @ 6:46 pm

                • Maybe weathervane is the wrong word. Maybe a better description is attention whore. By the time he became a Denier his books had stopped selling so he had to do something for attention.
                  If you go to a country and break it’s laws you are going to be punished. I’ve said repeatedly that I disagree with laws making Holocaust Denial a crime, however, if you go to a country where it is a crime and preach Holocaust Denial don’t be surprised if you get arrested.

                  Comment by HCW — August 14, 2015 @ 7:13 pm

                • Distorted history?????????????????
                  A denier preaching about distorted history……….that’s funny.

                  Comment by HCW — August 14, 2015 @ 7:17 pm

              • HCW: “A denier preaching about distorted history……….that’s funny.”

                The most pathetic thing is that I’m certain you really mean it.

                Faith, by essence leaving no room for doubt, is something beautiful. Must be very comfortable…

                Comment by hermie — August 15, 2015 @ 7:56 am

                • Not comfortable in the sense I am blind, comfortable in the sense that I am right.

                  Comment by HCW — August 15, 2015 @ 10:57 am

                • HCW: “Not comfortable in the sense I am blind, comfortable in the sense that I am right.”

                  Sounds like a slogan of Jehovah witnesses.

                  Keep faith, Buddy…😉

                  Comment by hermie — August 15, 2015 @ 3:22 pm

    • You mentioned the “German invasion of Poland.” I wrote about the start of World War II in these two blog posts:

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/alfred-naujocks-and-the-start-of-world-war-ii/

      https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/youtube-video-proves-that-hitler-did-not-start-wwii/

      Comment by furtherglory — August 11, 2015 @ 12:25 pm

      • Originally Hitler planned to invade Poland on August 26th. Hitler backed off at the last moment because he wanted more time to try and separate France and Britain from Poland and cancelled the invasion. Unfortunately not everyone got the memo to stop, Lt. Hans-Albrecht Herzner and 24 other men invaded Polish territory on the 26th. The group split up and got lost but Herzner and 13 other men captured a railway station, cut telephone and telegraph lines and got into a couple of fire fights until being recalled. See Roberts, the Storm of War, pgs. 16-17. So, technically Germany invaded first. Also, Poland called for a full mobilization on August 28th but halted it after French and British protests. They resumed mobilizing on the 31st but this was not complete by September 1st. So, even if Poland wanted to invade Germany their forces were not completely mobilized to do so.
        We also have to take a step back and consider German intentions. Why sign an agreement with the Soviet Union, their ideological enemies? The obvious intent of this to prevent Soviet interference in a German invasion. The Germans sweetened the deal by giving the Soviets half of Poland and a free hand in the Baltics and Finland. I now agree that Hitler preferred Poland as an ally but only on his terms. When this was no longer possible it was better for Hitler’s purposes to eliminate them as a threat and temporarily ally himself with Stalin to eliminate the Western threat before turning back to the East.

        Comment by HCW — August 11, 2015 @ 2:41 pm

        • temporarily ally himself with Stalin to eliminate the Western threat

          That’s all rather strange. Soviet Russia was never an ally of Nazi Germany; the Germans were a principal of the Anti-Comintern Pact. Hitler signed a non-aggression treaty — which had secret protocols – with Stalin. I don’t think Hitler believed this ‘eliminated the Western threat’ — it’s more likely he wagered that England and France would ultimately not go to war over Poland. And they didn’t really — it was Hitler who ended the ‘Sitzkrieg’.

          Comment by eah — August 11, 2015 @ 3:00 pm

          • About 1875 a German professor wrote a book about a German led European Area with Poland to be settled by German farmers who so could avoid to emigrate to America and the Jews to be displaced to Madagascar. This is the origin of the nazi doctrine about Poland to be settled by Germans, at least the western region – Lodz – called after 1939 Warthegau and considered, for certain purposes, part of the III Reich.

            Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 12, 2015 @ 6:21 am

  5. You ought to consider that the Nazis had followers in North Europe because of the old German myths. The first wife of Goering was swedish and he had friends there. It is my duty to remember the deeds of Swedish Red Cross and Folke Bernandot which were helpfull for ourselves too.

    Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 11, 2015 @ 11:14 am

    • Until you Jews decided to murder Count Bernadotte when he wasn’t helpful anymore, right Wolf?

      Way to repay the man for his efforts!

      Comment by Schlageter — August 11, 2015 @ 8:15 pm

      • You in an antisemite way of thinking blame the entire people for the deed of a group of terrorists fought exactly by the Ben Gurion government.

        Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 11, 2015 @ 11:00 pm


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