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August 21, 2015

The story of the dutch Jews gets curiouser and curiouser

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 10:01 am

This morning I read a news article, headlined Searching for Sophia.

Sophia van was a little Dutch girl who was murdered in the Holocaust

Sophia van Hasselt was a little Dutch girl who was murdered in the Holocaust

Photo courtesy of the Shukiar family

The news article begins with this quote:

Nine- year-old Sophia van Hasselt lined up to die with the other prisoners [at Auschwitz].

She and her parents, Simon and Geertje, and her older sister, Hermi, had been taken from the small village of Haulerwijk in the Netherlands and led to a gas chamber at the Nazi-controlled Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland on Feb. 12, 1943.

In a black-and-white photograph [shown above] snapped three years before her murder, Sophia, dressed as a bridesmaid at the double wedding of her aunts and uncles, smiled and stood close to her family.

The news article is a bit confusing. At least, to me, it is.  Is the date Feb. 12, 1943, the date of their arrival, and also the date that they were gassed? Or just the date of their arrival?

I didn’t know that the Nazis kept the names, as well as the dates that the Jews were gassed.  Was a whole train load of Jews, except for a few that were saved by Dr. Mengele, gassed on the date of arrival?  Yes, according to the official Holocaust story, which you must believe in 19 countries if you don’t want to go to prison for 5 or more years.  Allegedly, the Auschwitz-Birkenau gas chambers could handle 2,000 Jews at a time.

I have blogged several times, in the past, about the Dutch Jews:

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/why-were-dutch-jews-sent-to-sobibor-passing-up-auschwitz-and-majdanek/

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/finally-dutch-jews-get-justice-long-delayed/

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/jews-from-the-netherlands-were-killed-in-the-sachsenhausen-gas-chamber-who-knew/

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/dutch-citizens-dont-want-a-memorial-designed-by-daniel-liebeskind/

On my website, I wrote about the Dutch Jews who were sent to the Star Camp at Bergen-Belsen:
Star Camp (Sternlager)

Approximately 4,000 Jewish prisoners, mostly from the Netherlands, lived in the Star camp, where conditions were somewhat better than in other parts of Bergen-Belsen. In the Star camp, the prisoners wore a yellow Star of David on their own clothes instead of the usual blue and gray striped prison uniform, but they did have to work, even the old people, according to the Memorial Site.

The following quote is from Eberhard Kolb’s book Bergen-Belsen from 1943 to 1945:

From the Dutch “transit camp'” at Westerbork all those inmates were transported to Bergen-Belsen who were on one of the coveted “ban lists”, above all the “Palestine list”, the “South America list”, or the “dual citizenship list”.

Holders of the so-called “Stamp 120000” were also taken to Bergen-Belsen, i.e. Jews with proven connections to enemy states, Jews who had delivered up large properties, diamond workers and diamond dealers who were held back from transportation to an extermination camp but who were not allowed to go abroad, as well as so-called “Jews of merit”.

A total of 3670 “exchange Jews” of these categories, always with their families were deported from Westerbork to Bergen-Belsen in eight transports between January and September 1944.

According to Kolb, there were only 6,000 Dutch Jews who returned home after the war, out of a total of 110,000 who were deported by the Nazis. 20,000 more Dutch Jews survived by going into hiding until the war was over. More than a third of those who survived the camps were inmates of the Bergen-Belsen Star Camp.

79 Comments »

  1. I guess what I really want to know from you is this do you think the Germans were the bad guys in the allies with a good guys.
    Can you come up with a percentage of who was worse.

    Comment by jrizoli — August 25, 2015 @ 8:29 pm

    • That’s too simple. I look at cause and effect. Hitler caused the war by invading Poland. He expanded the war by invading the Soviet Union and then again by declaring war on the United States. The German army and SS committed atrocities wherever they went which is not guaranteed to foster good will. When the allies became strong enough to fight back they committed atrocities themselves. While the Soviet army pushed back the Germans they came across the remnants of German atrocities, causing them to want revenge. I’m not justifying the behavior but I understand why it happened.

      Comment by HCW — August 26, 2015 @ 7:24 am

      • You are so lost I’m at a loss for words…..The Germans went onto Poland to rescue the disfranchised German people who were being murdered by the Poles.
        How about the Soviets invading Poland around the same time and nothing was said about them illegally entering Poland. At least the Germans had a good reason to invade.
        About the US and Germany…..Germany had no choice because Britain brought the US into the war, Hitler tried to make peace several times with Britain but the Churchill didn’t want peace but wanted to get the US into the war. Check out Lend Lease and see what this was all about. This was all about money as usual. I just wish you read the things I read……check out the Bad War, by M S King. excellent reading explains everything pretty simply for you.
        You seem like a smart guy but your reading the wrong things.

        Comment by jrizoli — August 26, 2015 @ 7:38 am

        • Thank you for the compliment.
          You are right, I did not mention the Soviet invasion. My oversight, I apologize.
          A few things…..
          Nazi Germany and Poland actually had a good relationship up until the Spring of 1939. I believe the first treaty that Nazi Germany signed was a Non-Aggression Pact with Poland in 1934. Poland also gained territory as a result of the Munich Agreement. Both governments were Right-Wing and Anti-Semetic. Hitler did not share the same anti-Polish sentiment of the Prussians and Northern Germans, as an Austrian he was more anti-Czech. I believe that had the Polish knuckled under in the Spring of 1939 and given Hitler what he wanted that Hitler would have continued this relationship. As it was, the Polish hacked Hitler off by not giving him Danzig and an extra-territorial railway/highway. At no time from 1933-1939 was there an issue between the two countries about the German minorities living in Poland…in fact (ironically) the Weimar Republic made a bigger issue out of the German minorities.
          The Soviets were in Poland because of the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. This ceded 1/2 of Poland to the Soviets in return for their neutrality in case of a war with the West. Poland had treaties with France and Britain that specified that only an invasion by Germany would trigger a declaration of war..and only against Germany. As you can imagine, this spared both Britain and the Soviet Union a great deal of embarrassment.
          You do make a point, Churchill refused German offers of peace and the U.S. did help the British out….but this help did not include direct military action. There was an undeclared naval war during the Summer of 1941 with U-boats and the U.S. Navy shooting at one another. This changed with Pearl Harbor. The U.S. had to withdrawal their naval forces from the Atlantic to meet the Japanese threat. Hitler was under no treaty obligation to declare war on the United States and it was unlikely that FDR had the votes to get a declaration of war against Germany. Hitler solved that problem by declaring war on the U.S.
          Cause and effect.

          Comment by HCW — August 26, 2015 @ 11:58 am

          • Britain was jealous over Germany because Germany was economically going ahead of them. so Churchill had to bring allies into the warl because he could not fight them alone this is purely an economic war the show who was boss who wanted to be the king of the hill. Hitler did not want to fight Britain he did not want to fight any of them but he had to because they were coming after him because now he was king of the hill and they wanted to bring him down but they couldn’t bring him down by themselves the Communists were the bad guys if they let Hitler alone he would have dealt with the Communist everything would have been fine but it didn’t work out that way they fought against the wrong guy and destroyed in one country they shoulda came out after Russia.
            Even Patton knew that that was the case cause look what they did the Patton.
            To cover up all the bad things the Allies did the Holocaust was invented
            They invented this lie to make it look like the Germans were wrong it was actually just the opposite so now after all these years we have this big lie showing how bad the Germans were when in reality they were just trying to do what was right and protect their own country and actually save the world from communism.
            So the lies continue reparations keep getting paid out the Jews make millions if not trillions of dollars on it and everyone goes along with it.

            Comment by jrizoli — August 28, 2015 @ 6:17 am

            • I don’t have a way to measure jealousy, however I can look at German actions and see British reactions. Also, Churchill did not become Prime Minister until May of 1940, 10 months after the British declared war on Germany.
              The British refused to act when the Germans occupied the Rhineland in 1936, violating the Versailles Treaty. In fact, the British soon after signed a Naval Agreement with Nazi Germany.
              The British refused to act when the Germans occupied and annexed Austria in 1938. This was also in violation of the Versailles Treaty.
              The British went out of their to force Czechoslovakia to cede the Sudetenland to the Germans. The Munich Agreement left Czechoslovakia defenseless. Hitler assured Chamberlain that this was his last territorial demand.
              It was only after Hitler violated the Munich Agreement that the British stopped accommodating Hitler. The British figured out that they could not trust Hitler to keep his word.
              I will agree that Poland was the worst country to guarantee. Czechoslovakia was better situated strategically, had a stronger military and had powerful fortifications on their border with Germany. Poland’s East and West borders were with countries Poland seized territory from.
              Apparently Hitler didn’t mind dealing with Communists when it suited him. Both Germany and the Soviet Union benefited from the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
              I will agree that Churchill wanted U.S. intervention in the war. The most he got was Lend-Lease and U.S. Naval assistance in the Atlantic….assistance Britain lost when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Hitler gave Roosevelt his out when he declared war on the U.S. Roosevelt did not have the votes in Congress to get a declaration of war against Germany.
              Stalin was content to let Germany and the West fight it out. The Soviets were not ready for war against Germany in 1941, proved by the fact that the Germans slaughtered the Red Army in the Summer of 1941. The thing the Soviets did have was space, time and General Winter. Hitler did not help the matter when he diverted Bock’s armor to attack Kiev in August of 1941. Better at that point to assault Moscow and not wait until October.
              The point is, the British did not want war. They basically gave in to Germany at every point until they figured out that they could not trust him.
              Whether or not FDR wanted war was irrelevant. Hitler handed this to him on a silver platter.
              Hitler started a war with Stalin at the worst possible time, with Britain still undefeated.
              I agree that Hitler did not necessarily want a war with Britain, however, he pushed the issue and gave the British no choice by invading Poland. Also the British had no reason to trust Hitler after Hitler broke the Munich Agreement.

              Comment by HCW — August 28, 2015 @ 3:25 pm

              • Good points for open minded people

                — Quote —1) Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust if it was the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they got there hands on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews survived even longer. Most of these ”survivors” were ordinary people who did not have any unique expertise that the Germans could have exploited for their war effort. There was no logical reason for them to be kept alive. The very existence of more than a million survivors even today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the basic components of the Holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to eliminate every Jew they got their hands on.

                2) Why is their no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill’s six volume History of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second World War. Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and thus after the Holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials? With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these ” cognoscenti ” is deafening!

                3) What was an inmate infirmary (and a brothel) doing in Auschwitz if in fact it was a death camp?

                4) Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire, thereby tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while fighting a world war on two fronts to deliver people to ”death camps” hundreds of miles away who were then executed upon arrival…wouldn’t a bullet on the spot have appealed to legendary German sense of efficiency?

                5) Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a single German document that points to a Holocaust? Should we believe the likes of Raul Hilberg that in the place of written orders there was an “incredible meeting of the minds” by the literally tens of thousands of people who would have had to coordinate their actions in order to carry out an undertaking of this magnitude.

                Prof. Hilberg’s exact quote:

                “But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus – mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.”

                Let us note again those final words: “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus – mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.”

                6) How come it is still insisted upon that six million Jews were killed when the official Jewish death toll at Auschwitz, the flagship of the Holocaust gulag, has been reduced from an immediate post war figure of 3 million, to a figure of somewhat less than one million? Why do many respond to this observation by saying, ” what’s the difference whether it’s six million or one million”. The answer is that the difference is five million. Another difference is that saying so can get you three years in an Austrian jail…just ask British historian David Irving!

                7) All of Germany’s wartime codes were compromised including the one used to send daily reports from Auschwitz to Berlin. The transcripts of these messages make no mention of mass executions or even remotely suggest a genocidal program in progress. Furthermore it has been insisted that the Germans used a kind of euphemistic code when discussing their extermination program of the Jews e.g. final solution, special treatment, resettlement, etc. Why was it necessary for them to use such coded euphemisms when talking to one another unless they thought their codes had been cracked by the Allies?

                Cool The water table at Auschwitz lies a mere 18 inches below the surface which makes claims of huge burning pits for the disposal of tens of thousands of victims untenable.

                9) Initially claims were made that mass executions in homicidal gas chambers had taken place in camps located within the boundaries of the old Reich e.g. Dachau, Bergen-Belsen. ”Evidence” to that effect was every bit as compelling as what was offered for other camps, located in occupied Poland, yet without explanation in the early sixties we were told that this was not the case and that all the ”death camps” were located in the East i.e. Poland outside (some would say conveniently) of the probing eyes of western scholars.

                10) No one has been able to reconcile the eyewitness accounts that personnel entered the gas chambers after twenty minutes without any protective gear and the fact that Zyclon B was a “time release” fumigant that would have had a lethal capability for at least another twenty-four hours. And that even after twenty-four hours the corpses would have themselves remained sufficiently contaminated by the hydrogen cyanide gas that they would have had the capacity to kill anyone who touched them who were not wearing protective gear.

                11) Why do we no longer hear claims that the Germans manufactured soap, lamp shades and riding britches from the bodies of dead Jews…could it be that in the light of modern forensics and DNA knowledge these claims are totally untenable?

                12) Why do we no longer hear claims that huge numbers of Jews were exterminated in massive steam chambers or electrocuted on special grids…”evidence” of this was presented at Nuremberg…evidence that sent men to the gallows.

                14) Elie Wiesel has been described as “the Apostle of Remembrance” yet in his memoir, “Night” which deals with his stay at Auschwitz he makes no mention of the now infamous homicidal gas chambers. Isn’t this a bit like one of the Gospels making no mention of the Cross?

                15) Virtually every survivor who was examined at Auschwitz says that he or she was examined by the infamous Dr. Mengele.

                16) According to survivor testimony, hundreds of thousands of Jews were executed at Treblinka and then buried in mass graves in the surrounding area. Why is it that extensive sonar probing of these burial grounds reveals that this alleged final resting place for Holocaust victims has remained undisturbed since at least the last ice age?

                17) ”Proof” of the Holocaust rest primarily on survivor testimony; there’s little if any hard evidence. The best of this has been described by Jean Claude Pressac as merely ”criminal traces”. Even Judge Grey who presided at the Irving-Lipstadt Trial commented that he was surprised the evidence pointing to the Holocaust was “extremely thin”. To paraphrase Prof. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, ”a crime of this magnitude would have left a mountain of evidence”…where is it? There was more hard evidence against OJ Simpson at his trial and he was FOUND INNOCENT!

                18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven countries…what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the destruction of one’s career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim that they suffered thirty-five million dead in World War II.

                19) Why do the court historians insist that “denying the Holocaust” is like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold advanced degrees from the world’s leading universities. Is there anyone comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never existed?

                20) Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the remembering the Holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven’t Civil War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor of that conflict died in 1959?

                21) Survivors of the Holocaust have testified that smoke billowed from the crematoriums as they consumed the bodies of murdered victims…some eyewitnesses even claimed they could detect national origins by the color of the smoke. How can this be reconciled with the fact that properly operating crematoriums do not produce smoke of any color?

                22) According to the official version of the Holocaust hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were rounded up in mid 1944 and sent to Auschwitz where most were gassed immediately upon arrival and their bodies were disposed of by burning in huge open air pits using railroad ties and gasoline. Why is that there is no evidence of these huge funerary pyres in the high resolution surveillance photos taken by Allied aircraft who were over flying the camp on a daily basis during this time period. Furthermore, why have no remains been found, since open pit burning, even when gasoline is used, generates insufficient heat to totally consume a body?

                23) All of the liberated camps were littered with corpses; is there a single autopsy report or any other forensic evidence that shows that even a single one of these deaths was a consequence of poison gas?

                24) The death toll for the Holocaust relies exclusively on population statistics provided by Jewish sources; has any independent demographic study been produced that shows that approximately six million Jews were “missing” at the end of the war? ANSWER: Yes and No! WHY? You can go to jail in Israel and 11 European nations if you do such research and have a different answer. I am not kidding! Ask the Max Planck scientist Germar Rudolf. (Do Google search for imprisoned THOUGHT CRIMINAL Germar Rudolf).

                25) Why do the wartime inspection reports of camps made by the International Red Cross contain no references to mass executions…it strains credulity that such monumental crimes could be hidden. The only explanations are that either these crimes were not occurring or that the Red Cross was complicit in a cover up.

                26) Why has there been no effort to respond to the Leuchter Report?

                27) “The Holocaust was technologically possible because it happened “. Why is this intellectually bankrupt argument, which turns scholarship on its head, considered by the promoters of the Holocaust as historical truth, considered a sufficient response to the mounting Revisionist evidence to the contrary?

                Note for item 27: “34 reputable historians” in 1979 paid and published an advertisement in Le Monde one of the most monumental pieces of nonsense of French academic life:

                “It is not necessary to ask oneself how, technically, such a mass murder was possible. It was technically possible because it happened.”

                28) What other historical truths rely to the extent that the Holocaust does on so-called “eye witness” testimony…and why have none of these witnesses ever been cross examined?
                — End quote —

                Comment by jrizoli — August 28, 2015 @ 3:28 pm

              • I’ve looked over your questions. I will attempt to answer.
                1. First, where do you get your figures for a million survivors, even today? I would think that only a very loose definition would apply. Below is a list by country of Jewish dead:
                http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/killedtable.html
                The chart lists some 8,861,800 Jews in Europe, 5,933,900 killed. Are we counting Jews only in Concentration/Death camps that survived or are we counting all of the Jews in Europe? If we are counting all of the Jews in Europe at the end of the war then yes, some 3 million survived…out of a possible 8 million. There are approximately 193,000 survivors in Isreal. As for skills, the Germans needed bodies for the war effort. The regime stopped its systematic starvation of Soviet POWs in the Spring of 1942…and it’s doubtful that many Soviet POWs had skills either. The German army used ghetto inmates to make clothing, boots, etc. so surviving Jews did have their uses. The Germans generally exempted skilled Jewish workers from transports along with their families.
                2. I have no idea. I’ve never read them so I cannot say what is or isn’t in the books. Frankly, I’d be interested to know how many deniers have read the books.
                Churchill did talk about though:
                http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/churchill_holocaust_01.shtml

                Eisenhower talked about the camps he visited:
                http://www.808th.com/europe/05e_gotha.htm

                De Gaulle:
                http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/DeGaulle.html
                So they weren’t silent.
                3. The Germans had brothels at other camps. Auschwitz was unique in the sense that it operated like the Concentration Camps in Germany, the Germans established Auschwitz based upon that older model. As such it did have an infirmary and later a brothel. What made it unique was the Death Camp at Birkenau.
                Here is a list of concentration camps that had brothels.
                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_camp_brothels_in_World_War_II
                Jewish men were not allowed in them.
                I will continue this some other time, it’s late and I’m going to bed.

                Comment by HCW — August 30, 2015 @ 12:30 am

  2. http://nodisinfo.com/zionists-holocaust-cremation-deaths-ohio-train-wreck-images/

    Don’t get suckered in with all the lies

    Comment by jrizoli — August 22, 2015 @ 5:40 pm

    • Well, I have to give you credit for being consistent.
      By the way, how do I know that some denier didn’t retouch the photos in order to prove a point? Are you saying that only my sources are lies and yours are the truth?
      Here is an article about the photographs.
      http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-auschwitz-open-air-incineration.html

      Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 7:17 pm

      • Oh, and no comment about the Einsatzgrupen photos? It was ok for the SS to shoot Jews but not gas them?

        Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 7:19 pm

        • Any Jew that was considered an enemy of the State by their wayward anti-social malefactor actions or part of the Communist anti-German movement deserved to be shot. Get rid of the scum bags…..Any questions?
          In this country they jailed the Japanese, and some other Nationalities, for the same reason but didn’t have the problems that the Communist Treasonas Jews brought to Germany. I’m sure if the Japanese acted like the Jews they would of been shot too. I’m sure some were. When the trash needed to be taken out it was.

          Comment by jrizoli — August 25, 2015 @ 12:51 pm

          • Huh?
            You said Communist treasonous Jews brought to Germany, are you talking about German Jews? The first Jews shot by the Einsatzgrupen groups were Baltic Jews, Eastern Polish Jews, Ukrainian Jews and Western Soviet Jews. The first German Jews shot by the Einsatzgrupen were in Riga in December of 1941 after deportation (I’m typing this from memory, I may have the location, Riga, wrong).
            Does that comment include women and children? I understand shooting partisans, that is legal. Were all Jews partisans? Is there any evidence of this?
            Are you saying that all Jews were communists and deserved to die?
            Please explain.

            Comment by HCW — August 25, 2015 @ 3:58 pm

            • http://ddickerson.igc.org/german-soldier-rules.html

              I find it hard to believe that the Germans would kill innocent people they were not like the muderous communist they were not like the Allies, who pillage and raped people they had respect for people according to what I saw. The German 10 commandments is above you can read them come to your own conclusions see if the Americans or the Allies lived by these words.
              Incidentally a lot of the Jews that were kill in the Camp were actually killed by the Sodercommando so they were killed by Jews
              Who ran the camps.

              Comment by jrizoli — August 25, 2015 @ 4:21 pm

              • The Germans did not live by their own rules.
                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissar_Order
                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_Soviet_POWs
                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
                In the interest of fairness, I will concede the point that the allies were also guilty of war crimes.
                http://abuse.wikia.com/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II
                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes
                Please provide evidence that the Sondercomando ran the camps and killed Jews.

                Comment by HCW — August 25, 2015 @ 5:52 pm

                • I’m sure there were rogue Germans who did bad things too. But for the most part most of the stories about the Germans doing horrific things is B/S…Not to say they didn’t treat the communist badly but they deserved to be treated badly. The Kapos who most were communist and extremely brutal ran the camps and treated the other Jews badly.

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 25, 2015 @ 7:19 pm

                • Seems pretty accurate….
                  http://holocausteducation.wikifoundry.com/page/Kapo

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 25, 2015 @ 7:21 pm

                • The article says that some of the Kapos were Jews. Some does not mean all. Of course not all Communists are Jews.
                  By mistreating the Soviet POWs, including Communists, the Germans violated the Geneva Convention. When over 2 million Soviet POWs die of starvation, disease and mistreatment in less than a year this is not the actions of a few rogue soldiers. This means this is German military policy, making the German army culpable of war crimes. The POW camps were under military control, not the SS.
                  Concentration camps were under the control of the Death’s Head SS, not the Kapos. The Kapos were under orders from the SS guards who received their orders from the commander of the camp.
                  The SA ran the first concentration camps in Germany but after the Night of the Long Knives they were replaced by the SS.
                  I’m going to give you a link for Dachau, it was the model for the other concentration camps.
                  http://history1900s.about.com/od/1930s/a/Dachau.htm
                  While most prisoners received indeterminate sentence when incarcerated in a camp for the most part during the 1930’s most got out before a year. Until 1938 there were very few Jews in concentration camps, most of the inmates were Communists, Social Democrats and habitual criminals.
                  For additional reading on this subject I recommend KL, A History of the Nazi Concentration Camps by Nikolaus Wachsman.

                  Comment by HCW — August 25, 2015 @ 8:23 pm

      • Still looking for a real live homicidal gas chamber pic…..why do you refuse to show one.
        Out of all the thousands of pics there must be be one. Oh that s right, there cant be one because there was one in operation.
        You exterminationist are something else. Another waste of my time.

        Comment by jrizoli — August 24, 2015 @ 8:23 am

    • Well, let’s try something else. One of things that visitors often comment upon are the bone fragments at the site of the Operation Reinhardt Camps. I’ve pulled pictures from Sobibor.
      http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bone+fragments+at+sobibor&qpvt=bone+fragments+at+Sobibor&FORM=IGRE
      Why would there be bone fragments all over the ground if this was a transit camp?

      Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 7:24 pm

      • “Why would there be bone fragments all over the ground if this was a transit camp?”

        Because according to the orthodox narrative itself, around 5% of the deported Jews died during their travel. Millions of people died of typhus alone in that area during WW1. Don’t tell me you expected no death at all during the next world war.

        And because a lot of things may happen between the 1940’s and now…

        The pics you’ve posted were taken by a guy of “holocaust controversies” if memory serves me right. Those guys are proven liars and distorters. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to learn that the HC guy who took those photos brought those pieces of bones at Sobibor himself.

        Comment by hermie — August 24, 2015 @ 7:21 pm

        • Proven liars and distorters????????
          Excuse me while I go laugh myself into an aneurysm.
          And bringing bone fragments just to put them down on the ground again?????????????

          Comment by HCW — August 24, 2015 @ 9:53 pm

          • “Proven liars and distorters????????”

            Yes, Mattogno, Graf and Kues wrote a 1,500-page book exposing those guys and their tricks. Mathis, Roberto Muhlenkamp, and Co hid in hole for a while after that.

            “And bringing bone fragments just to put them down on the ground again?????????????”

            Yeah. Nobody would ever plant evidence to prove his point. 100% impossible. Science fiction.

            Comment by hermie — August 25, 2015 @ 7:07 am

            • Well at least this time you’ve listed the sources from where you get your information.
              You’re right, I apologize. I should absolutely believe Mattogno, Graf and Kues…..everything they say is the truth. As a matter of fact, anything and everything a learned Holocaust Denier says is the truth because they have no agenda. They are only after the FACTS. THEY are the only true defenders of liberty and truth. THEY are the only ones defending us from the Zionist/Jewish/Bolshevick/Alien Overlords.
              http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/response-to-mattogno/
              http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
              http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/vanpelt/
              http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/search?q=Carlo+Mattogno

              I’m now going off to laugh myself into that aneurysm.

              Comment by HCW — August 25, 2015 @ 10:37 am

              • HCW: “You’re right, I apologize. I should absolutely believe Mattogno, Graf and Kues…..everything they say is the truth.”

                You could at least try to make as if you had read the book I’ve mentioned in my previous comment.

                1,500 pages to show the lies and distortions of Mattogno, Kues and Graf. Don’t miss such a great opportunity…😉

                Comment by hermie — August 27, 2015 @ 8:47 pm

                • You didn’t give the title of the book.

                  Comment by HCW — August 28, 2015 @ 11:20 am

                • I’m kind of curious when people are accused of lying tey liel because there’s money involved or the some political game or something to that effect now what would be the reason why the revisionist would lie I really would like to try to understand that I know why the extermination would like to lie but I really can’t see the motive for revisionist to lie.

                  Comment by jrizoli — August 28, 2015 @ 11:46 am

                • It’s interesting that you asked that question.
                  Perhaps lie is a harsh word.
                  I’ve read denier material, gone to the websites, etc. Most, if not all, talk about some nebulous Jewish/Zionist plot to take over the world. Some equate Judiasm with devil worship, others say Hitler was in fact the Jews best friend or that Jews put him in power. Others seem to imply that the Jews had it coming because Jews declared war but then hasten to add that the Holocaust did not take place. I’ve read the infamous 66 questions.
                  Granted, I don’t do this all of the time. I read history because I like to read history. Until a few years ago I had no idea that such a thing as Holocaust Denial existed. I did research on it. None of it convinced that it was anything more than the same old goofy Anti-Semitism, just wrapped under a new guise. You say there is no agenda, to me it is only an agenda of hate against Jews.
                  I have no real stake in any of this, I’m not Jewish myself and I am not a professional historian. What bothers me is the distortion of history in the name of painting Jews as devils…..and of marginalizing the other victims of Nazi aggression. Basically it pisses all over the the memories of the dead and that is what I truly find offensive. Naturally your cause is not helped by guys like Hermie, with their talk of Jewish scalps, ghetto scum and the offensive word “kikes.”
                  I’ve visited your website, Mr. Rizoli. I’ve read the things you have to say. You have the right to say them, I believe in free speech. I myself have no use for laws against Holocaust Denial for that reason. I disagree with the outcry against denier literature being sold on Amazon, I’ve told you that material is available for download if you have an Amazon Prime account. I urge reputable historians to make their material available the same way. Laurence Rees’ book on Auschwitz is now available this way, as well as the book on Sobibor, Belzec and Treblinka by Yitzhak Arad. I’m grateful for this, it’s good that people have choices.
                  I read your manifesto on how great life would be if the Nazis had won. The truth is, they wouldn’t have liked you either. National Socialism is one of the most exclusionary ideologies on the planet. You had to have the proper “blood” to join, in other words, be an Aryan. This did not include most Americans….or a lot of Europeans. The consequences of a Nazi victory would have devastated Eastern Europe. I’ll grant you that the Eastern European countries occupied by the Red Army and had Communism forced down their throats didn’t have a great time of it…..but Stalin never intended to murder large portions of the population and enslave the rest.
                  I’ll concede that the Red Army committed atrocities in not only Germany but in Eastern Europe. I’ll concede that the allies in Western Europe and Germany did the same. I will continue to remind you that this was of Hitler’s choosing.
                  I hope that answered your question.

                  Comment by HCW — August 28, 2015 @ 4:57 pm

    • I noticed that the article you provided has no explanation on where the women came from. Can you please explain to me under what circumstance would a group of naked women run through a forest in the 1940’s?

      Comment by HCW — August 24, 2015 @ 8:01 am

      • HCW: “Can you please explain to me under what circumstance would a group of naked women run through a forest in the 1940’s?”

        Naturism was very trendy in those years…

        Comment by hermie — August 25, 2015 @ 7:11 am

        • Ok, that was funny. Kudos.

          Comment by HCW — August 25, 2015 @ 4:00 pm

          • Glad you liked my joke.

            That was just to show that the photo you were talking about could have been taken almost anywhere and at any time. Assuming it’s not just another forgery…

            Comment by hermie — August 27, 2015 @ 8:50 pm

            • Always with the forgeries. There is no proof that it is a forgery, another instance of a guess.
              I still can’t think of a reason why a number of women would run naked through a forest unless they were compelled to do so.

              Comment by HCW — August 28, 2015 @ 12:13 pm

  3. There was no mass murder of the Jews just get used to the truth.
    If you want to keep believing in fairy tales good luck you.

    Comment by jrizoli — August 22, 2015 @ 8:08 am

    • Ok.
      When I start believing the ridiculous fairy tales of deniers I’ll go ahead and start believing the earth is flat.

      Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 12:54 pm

      • Please give examples that We deniers are wrong? We are not the ones telling the fairy tales we’re the ones that have to listen to them. So I indulge you please give me an example of denier fairy tales.
        In fact I will give you the first opportunity to explain one of yours…..Please show me a real live homicidal gas chamber picture that was in use during the war.
        No a big deal if there was one right? Have fun looking. If you don’t come back with a picture than please don’t waste my time.
        Having dreams about one doesn’t count.

        Comment by jrizoli — August 22, 2015 @ 4:37 pm

        • Well, I have these pictures, taken in secret at Birkenau.
          https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/the-sonderkommando-photos/
          What they depict are pictures of naked women going to the chamber and then the aftermath of bodies being burned.
          Oops, that’s inconvenient. I’m sure you’ll have some sputtering explanation that the pictures are fake or that they are taken out of context.

          Pictures of Einsatzgrupen murders are much more common, the SS was was less shy about this:
          http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures+of+einsatzgruppen+murders&qpvt=pictures+of+einzattzgruppen+murders&FORM=IGRE

          Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 5:22 pm

          • Was the execution of partisans a policy of extermination? And the Soviets often used forged pictures. Some of their pics of alleged Einsatzgruppen are very dubious. Women lied on the ground without blood and bullet holes anywhere to be seen, that’s quite ridiculous. Sometimes pics don’t even need to be forged to distort their real meaning. The pic of a woman holding her child is a well-known example of this. That pic was truncated to hide that the German soldiers were in fact shooting at other people (who were further) very probably shooting at them, not at that woman and her child.

            Comment by hermie — August 25, 2015 @ 7:22 am

            • Proof?

              Comment by HCW — August 25, 2015 @ 10:38 am

              • Proof of what exactly?

                Comment by hermie — August 27, 2015 @ 8:51 pm

                • Proof that the pictures don’t depict what I say they do….or proof of forgeries, propaganda, etc.

                  Comment by HCW — August 28, 2015 @ 12:14 pm

  4. As to the article.
    1. At arrival at Auschwitz the Nazis had no reason to delay the herding of the victims to the Gas Chambers, certainly not for deousing but for murder.
    2. Many of the Dutch Jews murdered in the Holocaust left interesting assets but no heirs. So “Ariseurer” – aryans who seized jewish assets – could keep those assets without any trouble.
    3. Furthermore the best informed person about the seizure of Duch Jewish assets had been the Chairman of the JODZE RAT Jewish Council Prof. David Cohen. But … in order to prevent him from giving evidence on this matter he had to face trial and had been banned from Jewish Comunity.
    4. Beside to Bergen Belsen Dutch Jews had been sent also to Theresienstadt; among them Prof. Eduard Mejers, Legal Adviesr of Queen Wilhelmine and exactly Prof. David Cohen.
    5. Himmler had a special interest in Dutch Jewish assets; reason to be conjectured.
    I will work out a short article quoting also the research work of Goetz Aly.

    Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 21, 2015 @ 11:04 pm

  5. Most of the Jews were scatted all through Europe some came to United States some went to Palestine very simple to find out what happened here not a complicated. Many also came here to United States many change their names so people wouldn’t be able to find their relatives and lot of them did end up in Russia.
    So you can have the privilege of unraveling this mess.
    Start reading the information that tells the truth. The Holocaust is a scam. It was a money making proposition that still is paying out. They had to have 6 million people in scam to get the insurance companies to pay the big bucks it’s all about money.

    Comment by jrizoli — August 21, 2015 @ 10:57 am

    • How many Jews obtained immigration Visa for USA so before as after WWII? How many emigrated to Israel? How many reached Austrailia, Canada, South America or so? Unles You show the figures the above statements are simply offensive nonsense. My family had many relatives among the victims and few one among the survivors. I guess that when I wore the Jellow Star and stood in face of the SS many negationsts, like You had not been even on this world. Instead of writing and talking non sense seat down and study the historical background – European history between WWI and WWII – of events. ..

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 21, 2015 @ 11:53 pm

      • How many Jews obtained immigration Visa for USA

        I don’t know the number, or if it is available. But it is my impression that the vast majority of survivors who tell their stories publicly currently live in the US — FWIW.

        study the historical background – European history between WWI and WWII

        Wolf, as you surely know, while that may be interesting/informative, re the Holocaust, ie the question of whether there was an organized effort by the Nazis to exterminate Jews during WWII, especially in gas chambers at “death camps”, it is irrelevant.

        Comment by eah — August 22, 2015 @ 7:33 am

        • To “eah”! I am studying this historical period since I was ten years old. The political, social, economic and demographic conditions of Europe and Near East made possible the rise on power of Hitler and followers who wanted the destruction of Jews, according Nazi doctrine. The Nazis started mass killing as soon as the events of war made it possible. In 1939740 they put Polish Jews in overcrowded Ghettoes where deseases and starving made that work. In 1941 masskilling had been put on a high technical industrial level following the methods of Taylor and Ford of scientifc labor organization. The Nazis tried to murder us almost until last minutes of WWII. And now a question. When at that time of darkness my Father – and four times myself – stood in face of the SS where did You stay?

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 22, 2015 @ 7:52 am

        • To “eah”! Very few Jews obtained USA Visa from 1933 to 1941. Few survived Jews obtained USA Visa after WWII. For more data look the work of Hilberg THE DESTRUCTION OF EUROPEAN JEWS.

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 22, 2015 @ 7:56 am

        • Very few Jews obtained USA Visa from 1933 to 1941.

          Yes I know — perhaps the most notorious example being the MS St Louis — a shameful incident, IMO.

          But that’s not the subject here, Wolf — please try to stay on topic.

          Comment by eah — August 22, 2015 @ 10:41 am

        • Wolf is responding to a comment left by jrizoli. If you want to chide someone chide him, not Wolf.

          Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 2:38 pm

    • I think Wolf is making a valid point.
      Please provide numbers of immigrants.
      It is a well known fact that up to and including the start of the war both Britain and the U.S. refused to allow Jewish immigrants into their respective countries and even did not fulfill their respective quotas. This continued throughout the war.

      Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 12:46 pm

      • I have to correct a statement: USA had the quota policy and so very few Jews could immigrate. As to the UK the matter had been that they did not allow a meaningfull immigration to Palestine and so many Jews could not go safe while immigration to England in various forms had been easier. Experience of Benjamin Murmelstein who managed the Jewish emigration from Vienna from 1938 to 1941 when stopped by the Nazis as with letter of JULY 31 Goering entrusted Heydrich with the task of the Final Solution of Jewish Question in all areas in German power.

        Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 23, 2015 @ 12:38 am

    • But you still have not bothered to give the numbers for your theory of immigration.
      Please provide so this can be fact checked.

      Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 2:33 pm

    • Since you have not bothered to give the numbers for emigration I have provided them for you.
      http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Population_and_Migration/Migration_since_World_War_I
      Please feel free to explain how the numbers translate into the amount of missing Jews after WW2.

      Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 3:19 pm

  6. The final count of those who died during this holocost episode less than 300,000, in Auschwitz 70000 people died half of them might have been Jews the whole holohoax is a scam the figures they giving out don’t make sense and dumb people believe it what can I say.

    Jim Rizoli
    Check my videos on YouTube

    Comment by jrizoli — August 21, 2015 @ 10:06 am

    • I am listening to one of your videos as I am writing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F2BiotDbhA

      Everything that you are saying in your video is the truth.

      I just heard you say “E-lie Wiesel.” I think that he pronounces his name E-lee Wiesel, but you are correct. His story is nothing but lies. I don’t believe that he was ever in a camp.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 21, 2015 @ 10:42 am

    • Where and how did the large Jewish comunities of Central, East and South Europe disappear? You speak and write about things and event you do not know at all; just for pleasure to read your name on a site.

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 21, 2015 @ 10:46 am

      • In America, Jim Rizoli is better known than you are.
        https://right.orain.org/wiki/Jim_Rizoli

        You do not have a page on Wikipedia, although your father does. You should have someone help you make a YouTube video and let people hear your story. In America, where people still have free speech, we can study both sides of the Holocaust story.

        Comment by furtherglory — August 21, 2015 @ 11:04 am

        • That is me the birthyear if wrong by several years….I’m older…
          I’ve been exposing the HoloHoax for over 20 yrs
          My website has quite a bit on it…

          CCFIILE.COM

          Comment by jrizoli — August 21, 2015 @ 11:24 am

          • I’ll say it again, you deniers do have a way with words. Holohoax, E-lie, that is hysterical.
            Is there a snappy little tune?
            I once suggested something to the tune of the old Coke commercial, you know like “I’d like to buy the world a Coke but the Jews own all of the coke and the Zionists stole all of my money.”
            Feel free to use my idea, or you can do something to the tune of Old McDonald.
            Or whatever.

            Comment by HCW — August 21, 2015 @ 2:49 pm

            • I’ll say it again

              Hopefully for the last time.

              Comment by eah — August 22, 2015 @ 7:59 am

              • Nope, not gonna happen.

                Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 12:46 pm

        • The historical figure – Leading person in Holocaust time – had been my Father, the withness almost never heard, not even at Eicmann trial.
          I cannot compete witj Jim Rizoli as my oral English is miserable. Even in writting I have to ask for understanding for my errors.

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 22, 2015 @ 12:03 am

      • Where and how did the large Jewish comunities of Central, East and South Europe disappear?

        I answered this question before: they disappeared into the chaos of war.

        BTW, no one asks what happened to ethnic Germans expelled from eg (what is now) Poland and Czechoslovakia; the Wikipedia page entitled Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50) says approx 2.5m of them died.

        Comment by eah — August 22, 2015 @ 7:45 am

        • The Jews disappeared as victims of an organized mureder action. The ethnic Germans of East Europe had been explelled after 1945 and herded to Germany and Austria in a cruel way. But: so the mass killing of Jews as the mass expulsion of ethnic Germans had been the results of the historical conditions of Europe beween WWI and WWII which made spraying of ethnic and religious hatred possible. Clear at last?

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 22, 2015 @ 8:03 am

          • Wolf, I know you don’t like to hear this, but…

            The Jews disappeared as victims of an organized mureder action.

            …there is actually practically no forensic evidence of that. Furthermore, you dodge profoundly difficult questions about it by saying things like “geheime Reichsache”.

            Comment by eah — August 22, 2015 @ 8:10 am

            • Well, about forensic evidence, archeological digs at Sobibor uncovered the gas chamber:
              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/18/archaeologists-sobibor_n_5843846.html

              Or the bone fragments:
              http://m.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-119382-8.html

              And of course we have the piles of shoes, clothes hair………..

              http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures+of+clothes+shoes+hair+of+holocaust+victims&qpvt=pictures+of+clothes+shoes+hair+of+holocaust+victims&FORM=IGRE

              Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 4:48 pm

            • What had been going on in the East not only with Jews had been a GEHEIME REICHSACHE. The Nazi way of doing things meant keeping strict secret; every one had to perform his part of the entire “work” without wondering what his nearby fellow was doing. So many former normal persons became accessory to murder. Only very few Nazi leaders knew the whole truth.
              By the way: Generally person enlisted in the SS voiuntarly and then they were accessories of every crime the organization had been responsible.

              Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 23, 2015 @ 6:04 am

              • I looked up Geheime Reichssache and found this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0347049/

                Geheime Reichssache is a documentary movie.

                Comment by furtherglory — August 23, 2015 @ 11:04 am

                • On many important documents the Nazi’s stamped “Geheime Reichsache” that is “Refering to a secret matter of the Reich”. Clearly all documents referring to the Holocaust – not only to Operation Reinhard – had that stamp. And any information about things going on in the East had been a Geheime Reichsache.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 23, 2015 @ 1:35 pm

            • There are much much more evdeinces of the massmurder of Jews as against poor negroe defendants death sentenced by courts and cruelly executed in Gas Chambers and years later proven to had been inocent as DNA tests or so had been tricked or, at least, not done carefully. The many USA negationists should look after the murderous justice in states like Texas or so before – murder equipment supplied by the company of Fred Leutner – denying massmurder of Jews in Europe or talking about forensic evidences.

              Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 24, 2015 @ 12:43 am

        • You should have asked me, I could have told you.
          BTW, Hitler made this worse by not authorizing a mass exodus of Germans from Poland, Prussia, etc. leaving those Germans to the dubious mercies of the Red Army. He insisted that the Germans stay where they were and his gutless Gauleiters refused to do this on their own.

          Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 12:51 pm

          • “BTW, Hitler made this worse by not authorizing a mass exodus of Germans from Poland, Prussia, etc. leaving those Germans to the dubious mercies of the Red Army.”

            Feel free to bring evidence of that one…

            Comment by hermie — August 25, 2015 @ 7:25 am

        • That’s a lot of people that disappeared into the chaos of war.
          Evidence of this?

          Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 5:24 pm

    • Only at Auschwitz Gas Chamner at least 1.100.000 – one milion one hundred thousand – victims had been murdered; mosto of the Jews. .

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 21, 2015 @ 11:57 pm

      • I think the 1.1m number is generally accepted as the total death toll at Auschwitz — of course many of those died from disease (the proximate reason for the construction of the crematoria).

        Comment by eah — August 22, 2015 @ 7:57 am

        • The crematoria had been placed near the Gas Chamnbers for a faster burning of victims. Of course prisionied victims of deseases of starving too had been burned there,

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 22, 2015 @ 12:01 pm

    • Please provide your evidence regarding these numbers so it can be fact checked.

      Comment by HCW — August 22, 2015 @ 2:39 pm

    • Please explain where and how you came up with your numbers for Auschwitz.

      Comment by HCW — August 24, 2015 @ 8:04 am


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