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August 27, 2015

Another topic for discussion: the aftermath of World War II

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust, World War II — Tags: , , , , — furtherglory @ 12:23 pm

Wolf Murmelstein, a regular reader of this blog, has submitted a letter with some information for a new topic of discussion.

The following words were written by Wolf Murmelstein:
Dear furtherglory, Hermie and other readers of this blog!

In various comments here, the question of the post WWII and Holocaust trials has arisen; I want to reply to all of these comments.

From personal experience, and from historical research, I will admit that some of those [post-war] trials were driven by political rivalries for positions, or to prevent some really informed person from giving evidence concerning many wrong doings, which occurred during World War II: For example: denunciations by careless talk, appropriations of Jewish owned assets, etc..

Another chapter [of history] refers to the interest of  the Communist Parties in weakening the middle class in the countries where they rose to power. This was said by Clement Gottwald on April 10, 1945 in a speech to party activists at Kosice. On that day, at Theresienstadt, we were still in danger of being shot in a mass shooting.

So in the East, as well as in the West, the Communist Parties enlisted former Nazis and Fascists to testify. By this means, many of the former Nazis could avoid being put on trial for wrongdoing, as long as they obeyed [Communist] party orders.

Where there had not been any political interest, many accusations leading to judiciary investigations had been found baseless. The accusations were due to hysteria and the persecution complex of traumatized persons. By stating this, the judge could avoid the start of procedures for slander.

In many trials, the statements of the defendants would have been precious historical documents.

I am quoting from memory, but I could find many other examples besides what is quoted below:

Herr Oskar Groening had been employed in the sorting of money and jewels, taken from the victims. By doing this, he avoided being sent to the battlefront in the East.

Herr [John] Demjanuk stated in Munich Court [in Germany] that he had had only one choice: Enlisting in the SS auxiliary or starving to death.

At the Auschwitz trial, it was stated by a defendant that selection started only after the [transport] train with the police escort had left the “station”; clearly this was done for better secrecy.

At the Nuernberg [IMT] trial, Papen had been acquitted, but two years later, he was sentenced by a German court for his high responsibility for the Nazi rise to power.

This subject deserves better analysis and research.

Hope that this letter will be offered for discussion.

Sincerely yours,

Wolf Murmelstein.

79 Comments »

  1. How does Dr. Murmelstein explain the stunning discrepancy between the testimonies of “eyewitnesses” to Nazi mass gassings and what forensic science has been telling us for more than a century? Are the forensic doctors all liars or misguided quacks–or are the “holocaust eyewitnesses” liars instead? Countless thousands upon thousands of stark naked gassing victims were supposedly seen by the “eyewitnesses” over many months, even years–either shortly after death or over the following days, sometimes even on huge open-air piles. Should the medical textbooks be rewritten? Why not?

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened Niemand wurde vergast!
    Read: Nazi Gassings–thoughts on life and death

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — August 30, 2015 @ 2:20 pm

    • Forensic doctors ought to update their science following evolution of criminal techniques and other sciences. Medical textbooks written before WWI certainly did not know the effects of gasings nor those of Zyklon B. Besides, in the Death Camps there were not forensic doctors to perfom autopsies. Yes, mant text books ought to be rewritten or, better, replaced with methods of continous scientific updating of doctors. Refering to what occured in the Death Camps we can only rely on the reports of eyewitnesses which ought to be carefully evaluated considering the special conditions and our knowledge of the background. But, between 1939 and 1945 the large Jewish comunities of East Cental and South Europe disappeared; how and where?

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 31, 2015 @ 10:19 am

      • No doubt, there were many qualified doctors in the camps and elsewhere to perform autopsies of alleged gassing victims, but–and this is so enormously important–there are simply NO AUTOPSIES showing that even one corpse from any German concentration camp was of someone killed with poison gas or any other poison. Dr. Chas. P. Larson was an American medical officer and forensic pathologist assigned to perform autopsies for the Allied war crimes trials. He performed 1,000 autopsies but found NO evidence of gassings. Once again, Dr. Murmelstein’s suggestion has absolutely no merit whatsoever.

        Even the most modern, “updated” medical textbooks, which I have also referred to stress the “bright cherry red” coloring of nearly all corpses from CO poisoning and the intense red-to-purplish coloring of nearly all corpses from cyanide poisoning. None of the self-described holocaust “eyewitnesses,” except for Henryk Tauber ever spoke of any such coloration. Tauber had merely seen typhus victims which do have red spots. In other words, all of the “eyewitnesses” to gassings are easily exposed as LIARS. Without those “eyewinesses,” there is NO real evidence to support the claim that anyone was gassed to death by the Nazis. On the other hand, there is an enormous body of research and evidence beyond the color issue that shows the holocaust gassing story is pure rubbish. See my website or book for much more information.

        As to where the Jewish communities went after the war–the answer is “everywhere.” Read the 2003 Israeli demographic study of Sergio Della Pergola for example.

        Dr. Murmelstein should do some homework before he repeats the anti-German, racist filth and lies that he has put forth. .In general, Jews should stop lying! Lying is a long tradition for them–but it is one that they and everyone should abandon

        Friedrich Paul Berg
        http://www.nazigassings.com
        Nazi Gassings Never Happened Niemand wurde vergast!
        Read: Nazi Gassings–thoughts on life and death

        Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — August 31, 2015 @ 10:51 am

        • Many highly qualified doctors were among the victims who certainly had not been allowee to perform forensuc tests on dead fellow inmates. Furhtermore not even an SS doctor – except Mengele or Rascher – had been allowed to look to much after things going on. At arrival of Americans Jewish victims had been gased and burnt and on ashes sprayed; so no forensic test had been even thinkabe.

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — September 1, 2015 @ 6:34 am

          • At least one Jewish doctor who performed AUTOPSIES at Auschwitz during the war was Dr. Miklos Nyiszli. Just read his book “Auschwitz”. Murmelstein is consistently wrong about everything–sucxh a “quack.”..

            Friedrich Paul Berg
            http://www.nazigassings.com
            Nazi Gassings Never Happened Niemand wurde vergast!
            Read: Nazi Gassings–thoughts on life and death

            Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — September 1, 2015 @ 9:19 am

            • Dr Miklòs Nyiszli worked for Dr.Mengele and his expreriments and acted according his instructions.

              Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — September 1, 2015 @ 9:35 am

              • I believe that Dr. Nyiszli was a total fake. I don’t believe that he was ever in a camp. I wrote about this on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/new-movie-about-miklos-nyiszli-is-being-planned/

                Comment by furtherglory — September 1, 2015 @ 10:03 am

                • Furtherglory! At the end of one of his comments Herr Berg states:”… do some homework before he repeats his racis (!) anti german filth amd lies … . Jews should stop lyinng. Lying is a long tradition to them … .” This statement shows how negationism is a form of nazi antisemitism. Clearly German Austrian and other European governments want to prevent such troublemakers from provoking another tragedy like WWII. The free speech cannot allow spraying of hatred. You, as webmaster, should overthink the responsabilities for pubblishing such comments.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — September 1, 2015 @ 10:58 pm

                • You wrote: “You, as webmaster, should overthink the responsibilities for publishing such comments.”

                  You mean that I should THINK OVER, which would be the correct way to say this in English. The word “overthink” means that a person thinks too much about a subject and as a result gets the facts wrong. Hopefully, I am not guilty of “overthinking.”

                  A “webmaster” is a person who maintains a website. I have a website (scrapbookpages.com) which I started in 1998, but I am also a blogger, or a person who writes a blog. You and Mr. Berg are both commenting on my blog.

                  The word blog is short for weblog, which means that the owner of the weblog writes down their thoughts on a regular basis. A person does not write on a website every day. A website is not usually open to comments and it does not change daily, as does a blog.

                  I am blogging in the United States of America, which still has free speech. Mr. Berg lives in America, so he has free speech. He is a well-known person, at least in some circles. I am honored that he has commented on my blog a few times.

                  If any of the readers of my blog are not familiar with Friedrich Berg, you can read what he writes at http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Paul_Berg

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 2, 2015 @ 7:28 am

                • Murmelstein is trying to recruit furtherglory to be a bigot just like himself and censor all critics of the holocaust hoax. In Europe such recruitment has worked since the war but here in the USA we can still resist–and we will.

                  Judaism is RACISM. Murmelstein is a racist bigot! The Holocaust hoax is anti-German racism disguised as history.

                  Friedrich Paul Berg
                  http://www.nazigassings.com
                  Nazi Gassings Never Happened Niemand wurde vergast!
                  Read: Nazi Gassings–thoughts on life and death

                  Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — September 2, 2015 @ 7:48 am

                • So, in USA Free Speech means free difusion of hatred and slander; what kind of leading democracy. So Herr Berg is allowed, in USA, to praize Hitler. But am I allowed to say that many Presidents had been fools? At least Wodroow Wilson had been a fool and so responsible for the economical and social conditions in Europe wich brought to WWII.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — September 2, 2015 @ 9:50 am

                • In America, you are allowed to express hatred and slander against the German people, and praise the Jews. Herr Berg is allowed to say anything he wants, except to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater. You are allowed to call him “Herr Berg” instead of “Mr. Berg”. In his case, it is not an insult because he is ethnic German. In America, Herr Berg and everyone else is allowed to praise Hitler.

                  In America, anyone is allowed to say that any of the former Presidents “had been fools.” When I was a child, Woodrow Wilson was highly respected, at least by my family. His wife is sometimes called the “first woman president of the United States” because she took over when he had a stroke and could no longer function as President. No one knew that his wife was running the country.

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 3, 2015 @ 7:08 am

                • Furthermore, I have the free speech to explain what, when and why occured in time of the Holocaust and explain my personal feeling without being accused of lying or to need psycological help. Herr Berg, Herr Hermie, Signor Rizzoli claim free speech in order tohail nazi-fascism which, as soon as on power, strongly denied any liberty and sent oppositors in Concentration Camps or so. Nor can I bee accused to have had plenty of food at Theresienstadt in an environment where people had to go on with very small food rations; again You are requested to express excuses and correct statement.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — September 2, 2015 @ 12:43 pm

                • Children in America had “very small food rations,” unless they had a “Victory garden” in the back yard. There were “ration stamps” that had to be saved up in order to buy meat once in a while. There were songs written about food rationing and the lack of meat.

                  There were also other shortages. It was impossible to buy film in my home town. Clothing had no extra cloth or frills. Ration stamps were required in order to buy shoes. But people in America didn’t complain; they were happy that American cities were not being bombed.

                  Comment by furtherglory — September 3, 2015 @ 6:55 am

                • “So, in USA Free Speech means free difusion of hatred and slander; what kind of leading democracy. ”

                  Saying “the Jews were not mass murdered in Europe during WW2” doesn’t amount to saying “the Jews must die”. Labelling what you dislike as “hatred” is a gross trick that makes fewer and fewer people fall for it. Too obviously a fraud for most people of the 21st century. The twilight of Zio-Jewish moral terrorism is coming…

                  Comment by hermie — September 3, 2015 @ 3:06 am

        • Did Larson ever perform autopsies at Auschwitz? Or Majdanek? Or any of the Operation Reinhardt Camps? Or did he only perform autopsies on bodies from Bergen-Belsen? Or Dachau? You said German Concentration camp, as far as I know the only large scale gassings took place in Poland.

          Comment by HCW — September 5, 2015 @ 2:34 am

          • Dr. Charles P. Larson never even visited Auschwitz, or Maidanek, or any of the AR camps nor could he have even done so given the Soviet occupation of Poland. As far as I know, he never visited Bergen-Belsen either. According to the book “Crime Doctor” which he co-authored many years later, Larson performed all of his autopsies at or near Dachau.

            At the time Larson was at Dachau and for many years thereafter until about 1961, it was widely claimed that mass gassings had occurred at Dachau. Larson believed gassings had occurred there (until he died, I believe)-but he admitted that he had simply been unable to prove it. I recommend the book which is still available at Amazon.com and is still quite inexpensive.

            My guess is that British doctors did perform autopsies at Bergen-Belsen but concluded, quickly and quietly, that they simply could not possibly make a credible case even in a British military court that anyone had been gassed there. In the disgraceful Bergen-Belsen trial, the gassing claims were made “long-distance” entirely about Auschwitz to which none of the British court personnel or defense team members had any access at the time.

            Friedrich Paul Berg
            http://www.nazigassings.com
            Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
            Read: Nazi Gassings–thoughts on life and death

            Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — September 5, 2015 @ 8:25 am

            • So, long story short, no, he never performed autopsies at any of the camps that mass gassings occurred.

              Comment by HCW — September 6, 2015 @ 6:22 pm

  2. It’s well known that upon death the muscles relax and the contents of the bowel and bladder can be released. Supposedly, as many as 2000 people were gassed at a time at Auschwitz II. Let’s say that at any gassing, 10% of those people released the contents of their bowel and bladder — that’s 200 people, which would create a mess of feces and urine that the Sonderkommando would have to thoroughly clean up (lest the following group suspect something). Yet I have never heard a Sonderkommando survivor talk about cleaning up that mess in the gas chamber after a gassing. Has anyone else seen such a recollection? I cannot believe it never happened.

    Comment by eah — August 28, 2015 @ 1:40 pm

  3. …selection started only after the [transport] train with the police escort had left the “station”; clearly this was done for better secrecy.

    Yes, “clearly”.

    And yet the Germans were careless enough to allow members of the Sonderkommando to live to tell the tale. They carefully waited until the police escort left, or the train with the police escort on board left, and then did the selection — why was that necessary? I mean, the gas chambers were far enough away, and underground, that there was little risk of it being recognized as such — I would think. And how would anyone watching know some people were being selected for the gas chamber? And later they blew up the gas chambers. But forgot to kill all the members of the Sonderkommando.

    Comment by eah — August 28, 2015 @ 1:27 pm

    • The Nazis did not want that the police – not SS – escort could even suspect wath had to go on after arrival of victims. At any rate question of 15-20 minutes. Indeed, we could learn from the Nazis how to keep things really secret.

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 30, 2015 @ 2:12 am

      • Wolf, you completely ignored a main point: it’s absurd to say the Germans were so worried about secrecy that they waited to do the selections until the transport train had left (even though there was pretty much zero chance of anyone on the train seeing anything), but then these same Germans, who were according to you obsessed with secrecy, insanely allowed members of the Sonderkommando — who saw and knew everything — to survive. By doing that, any and all of their earlier measures to maintain secrecy were made worthless.

        Indeed, we could learn from the Nazis how to keep things really secret.

        Does ‘what we could learn’ include allowing Sonderkommando members, ie direct witnesses to heinous crimes, to survive? Or should be better disregard that part? If we’re interested in secrecy, I mean.

        Sheesh…

        Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 2:58 am

        • I wrote about the last 100 Sonderkommando Jews, who were marched out of the camp in January 1945, on this blog post: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/the-death-of-schlomo-venezia-a-former-jewish-sonderkommando-at-auschwitz/

          Some people think that the prisoners were marched out of the Auschwitz camp as a means of killing them. After all, the march was called a “death march,” which some people think was a way of killing the Jews. The prisoners were given a choice: go on a death march, or stay behind to be raped and killed by the Soviet soldiers.

          Comment by furtherglory — August 30, 2015 @ 8:32 am

        • In the Nazi Holocaust system every person had to do what comanded without wondering about the entire design. So only few high ranking regime figures knew the entire truth so about the Holocaust as about planning and preparation of war. And the Nazis carefully watched all the debates among democratic politicians and used their stupidity. A personal mention: At Theresienstadt Commander Rahm warned Murmelstein.saying “your fellow inmates are chating to much; keep attention”. He, indeed, feared that some gossip would end to his supervisor. Look at nowadays debates in press, Congress Comitees, etc. and so ISIS is getting information they need to our destruction. Clear at last?

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 30, 2015 @ 8:37 am

          • Wolf, you’re reply here is a total non sequitur. Please look up what that means — if you don’t know.

            And never mind about the rest.

            Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 8:58 am

            • Sorry — your, not you’re.

              Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 10:45 am

  4. “At the Nuernberg [IMT] trial, Papen had been acquitted, but two years later, he was sentenced by a German court for his high responsibility for the Nazi rise to power.”

    I’ve never understood how German courts could have existed at a time when there was no German state.

    Comment by fnn — August 28, 2015 @ 10:41 am

    • There had been already the single “regional states” while the Federal Repubblic had been established later. Besides, even now the Courts of Justice belong to the single “regional states”. Clear?

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 28, 2015 @ 12:44 pm

      • Dear Dr. Murmelstein, I suggest that we–you and me–have a debate about whether the “Holocaust” really happened? We can have the debate on live radio and recorded so that everyone can listen to it afterward as well. The debate should involve not much more than a few hours time using a Skype or telephone conection–with each of us speaking from the comforts of our own homes or offices. What do you say, Dr. Murmelstein?

        Friedrich Paul Berg
        Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
        Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
        Read my book: “Nazi Gassings–thoughts on life and death.” It is now available, even in a Kindle edition, through Amazon.

        Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — August 28, 2015 @ 1:53 pm

        • Dear Herr Berg! My oral English – comprehension and speaking – is miserable so I could not take part in such a discussion. Besides, my doctors permit me only writing about those subjects and advised me to avoid oral discussion; unfortunately for me this is not a pretext. Certainly there will be replies stating that I fear discussions and so; I could neither help on this nor care less. Thanks for the idea.

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 28, 2015 @ 10:34 pm

          • I am pretty sure that Mr. Berg speaks fluent German, and maybe some other languages.

            Comment by furtherglory — August 29, 2015 @ 7:40 am

        • As in my e-mail directly adressed to Paul Berg after having visited his site – full of hatred and antisemit statements – find that any discussion would be useless.

          Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 30, 2015 @ 2:17 am

          • Wolf, could you please cite something from Berg’s web site that you find “antisemit”? — eg copy and paste the text here. Just so I have an idea of what you view as anti-Semitic — I’m still unclear on that. Thanks.

            Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 4:07 am

            • What I find hurting for my personal experience and feeling may be not the same for You. At any rate, Herr Berg ought to know that at the time I wore the Yellow Star – and had been deported – a Nazi had not been allowed to debate with a Jew. I can debate about single events and details of the Holocaust time but certainly not with a person who denies things unfortunately occured and accuses me, and my fellow survivors, of lies and so on. Clear at last?

              Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 30, 2015 @ 5:29 am

            • What I find hurting for my personal experience and feeling may be not the same for You.

              Yes, OK. But that’s not really relevant — what I asked about is what you found anti-Semitic. So again, could you please copy and paste some text that you found anti-Semitic? Thanks.

              Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 5:40 am

            • a person who denies things unfortunately occured and accuses me, and my fellow survivors, of lies

              Wolf, sorry, while I don’t really want to be a pedant about this, but since you do not directly answer, and I still want to try to pin you down on what, in your view, is anti-Semitic, maybe it is better to ask specific questions, which I hope you will answer: 1) When you mention “denies things unfortunately occured”, do you mean to say that ‘Holocaust deniers’ are de facto anti-Semitic? 2) Do you think someone who does not believe some story told by a (Jewish) survivor, and who may go so far as to call said survivor a liar, is being anti-Semitic?

              Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 5:55 am

              • Look: When You say. “It is unlikely that the government of a so highly developped country could have planned and ordered mass executions, mass gasings, etc. ” its is polite but, unfortunately, not exact. When some one says “the Holocaust never occured and is a jewish lie in order to extort … and establish a state on …” so this recalls the century long antisemite accusations ended in mass expulsions and murders. Furthermore when aged survivors are questioned in order to look for possible faults in their answers and then blame then as liars who never passed deportation and prisony in a Lager etc. etc. so I am upset. The inconsistencies in the speech of Mr O’Relly are careless journalism but not a proof for denying Holocaust. Stangl of Sobibor and Treblinka when interviewed by Gitta Sereny did not deny the gassings there; he simply said while prisioniers had been gassed he stood in his office. So when in a site it is stated that no one had been gased I do not see any possibility of a debate.

                Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 30, 2015 @ 7:27 am

              • Wolf, please just answer my simple questions — 1) and 2), above. Or copy and paste text you regard as anti-Semitic. Please — no more dodging.

                Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 7:31 am

                • You cannot ask me to give diffusion to statements I feel to be hurting for me.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 30, 2015 @ 8:51 am

                • You cannot ask me…

                  Wolf, I didn’t ask you to do that — I asked you to answer simple questions.

                  It’s now very obvious to me that it’s a complete waste of time to attempt to have a productive discussion with you.

                  Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 9:02 am

                • You cannot ask me to prove my baseless ad hominem attacks. That’s antisemitic. ô de suverink…

                  Nobody here falls for your fallacious ad hominem attacks, wolfie.😉

                  “When used inappropriately, it (ad hominem) is a fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

                  Comment by hermie — August 31, 2015 @ 6:46 am

              • The definition of anti-Semitic has changed over the years. It currently means failing to bow low enough to the Jews. I have written several blog posts that I tagged anti-Semitic: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/tag/anti-semitism/

                Comment by furtherglory — August 30, 2015 @ 7:32 am

                • So the State of Israel as Jewish Diaspora comunities ask – and asked in past – to be considered as equals, like other states of fellow citiziens. Bowing to low is the classical hypocrisy aimed to do nothing or help our enemies.

                  Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 30, 2015 @ 8:47 am

                • Here is the problem with the state of Israel: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

                  This quote from the website, cited above, explains it:

                  The conventional wisdom is that, even if both sides are at fault, the Palestinians are irrational “terrorists” who have no point of view worth listening to. Our position, however, is that the Palestinians have a real grievance: their homeland for over a thousand years was taken, without their consent and mostly by force, during the creation of the state of Israel. And all subsequent crimes — on both sides — inevitably follow from this original injustice.

                  Comment by furtherglory — August 30, 2015 @ 9:31 am

  5. Wolfie looks like the Zionist Holo-propagandists of the Irgunist “Bergson Group”, spreading their crucial atrocity hoax (the ‘Holocaust’, i.e. the problem) and then formulating their own solutions to that fictional problem (which always involved the immediate immigration of hundreds of thousands of European Jews into Palestine and the transfer of millions of others to temporary “haven camps” pending their post-war transfer to Palestine) through letters and full-page ads published by numerous American newspapers during WW2. By publishing Wolfie’s quite empty letters, it seems that Furtherglory easily falls for Irgunist-like gross methods of propaganda too…

    Comment by hermie — August 28, 2015 @ 8:35 am

    • Again, you are being obscure. Irgunist Bergson group? WTF is that? Remember, not all of us know what you are talking about. If you are going to mention something give us a little background.

      Comment by HCW — August 28, 2015 @ 10:07 am

      • Google “Peter Bergson” and research his background (real name, origin, Irgun membership, links with Vladimir Jabotinsky, etc.), his wartime campaign in America (full-page ads in American newspapers, pageants “We Will Never Die” and “A Flag is Born”), his collaborators (Dean Alfange, Ben Hecht, etc.), and his numerous paper organizations.

        Comment by hermie — August 28, 2015 @ 11:42 pm

  6. Will Dr. Murmelstein debate me about whether the “Holocaust” really happened? We can have a radio debate involving not much more than a few hours time using a Skype or telephone conection–and speaking from the comforts of our own homes or offices. What do you say to my challenge, Dr. Murmelstein?

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
    Read my book: “Nazi Gassings–thoughts on life and death.” It is now available, even in a Kindle edition, through Amazon.

    Comment by Friedrich Paul Berg — August 28, 2015 @ 6:46 am

    • Herr-Mr Berg! All your comments at various posts show that such a debate would be useless. Furhtermore; at those times a Nazi had not been allowed to debate with a Jew.

      Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 3, 2015 @ 11:32 pm

  7. Now here we can see a real homicidal gas chamber on German /Austrian soil .
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34083337
    As the innocent Bruno Tesch pointed out at his trial if you want to do it properly with no risk just seal a chamber and let them suffocate. There will be no danger for those retrieving the bodies as well.

    Comment by peter — August 28, 2015 @ 6:31 am

    • Well observed, Peter. I thought the same thing when I’ve heard this news a few days ago.

      Comment by hermie — August 28, 2015 @ 11:52 pm

  8. What would you like to discuss, Mr. Murmelstein? The creation of illegal jewish state on the land of Palestinians? Which was based on your “holocaust” lies? You and your father were not killed in Theresienstadt, is this correct?
    You are the living proof that so-called “holocaust” had never taken place.

    Comment by Gasan — August 27, 2015 @ 10:28 pm

    • I guess You regret that some Jews survived deportation. Now our survival as “proof” for the denier campaign is really new Nazi propaganda.

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 28, 2015 @ 10:38 am

      • Mr. Murmelstein, The keyword in your statement is “deportation”. The equivalent of the word “deportation” could be “displacement”, and by no means it would indicate “extermination”, or “annihilation”. I am very happy that You and your well-respected father survived deportation. And, as I said before, you both are living proof that “extermination of the Jews” (AKA “holocaust’) had never taken place.

        Comment by Gasan — August 28, 2015 @ 8:37 pm

        • What you are saying is completely illogical. The fact that there are survivors means that the Holocaust did not take place??????? Are you also saying the fact that some Ukrainians survived the Holdomoor means that it didn’t happen? Or that some of the victims of Stalin’s purges survived in the Gulag means that the purges never happened?
          People wonder why I think Holocaust Denial is full of crap. There’s your answer.

          Comment by HCW — August 29, 2015 @ 7:17 am

  9. Herr [Herman] Goering had been employed in the sorting of money and jewels, taken from the victims. By doing this, he avoided being sent to the battlefront in the East.

    You may want to re-think this one Wolf. Göring was head of the Luftwaffe, and not just a Feldmarschall, but a Reichsmarschall — the only one. Such high ranking officers did not normally serve directly at the front — “battlefront”. Göring had his own bunker at Wolfsschanze, and spent a LOT to time there after June, 1941, directing the Luftwaffe in Operation Barbarossa. I don’t think he personally spent much time ‘sorting money and jewels’. Also, his first name is Hermann.

    Comment by eah — August 27, 2015 @ 1:39 pm

    • I am the one who misspelled Herman. When you see a word in brackets like [this] it means that the word was added by the person who is posting the quote, not by the person who WROTE the quote. I forgot that Herman is spelled Hermann in German.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 27, 2015 @ 1:51 pm

      • I think Wolf meant Groening …as in Oskar Groening the fantasist of Auschwitz.

        As for post war retribution,those having show trials were lucky compared to some. it was neatly summed up by English writer Henry Williamson,
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Williamson

        ” So many innocent middle class French shopkeepers were robbed and murdered, their throats slit by the Maquis during the ” purification” and a note left saying ” A collaborator “

        Comment by peter — August 27, 2015 @ 2:48 pm

        • Yes, I’m sure you are correct — thanks for pointing that out — it had not occurred to me.

          Comment by eah — August 27, 2015 @ 7:04 pm

          • I agree on that too, Peter. So the word in brackets should have been “Oskar” instead of “Herman”.

            Comment by hermie — August 28, 2015 @ 8:41 am

            • I have corrected my blog post. It now says Oskar Groening.

              Comment by furtherglory — August 28, 2015 @ 8:48 am

              • You ought to remove all the comments that were based on the erroneous info, or that pointed the errors out — these comments serve no useful purpose now.

                Comment by eah — August 28, 2015 @ 9:13 am

    • Regret typing error as I wanted to mention GROENING who stood now on trial and had been senteced.

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 27, 2015 @ 10:16 pm

  10. Wolf, I am currently reading a book called Eichman before Jerusalem. It mentions a Benjamin Murmelstein from Vienna who spent a few hours with Eichman attempting to teach him either Hebrew or Yiddish, it doesn’t specify. This was in 1938. Was this man your father? I know your father’s name has come up for discussion before but I couldn’t remember his first name.
    If it is your father could you elaborate on this? The chapter I am reading is talking about Eichman’s role in pre-war Austria, Germany and Czechoslovakia regarding the forced immigration of Jews from those countries. Eichman made an enormous issue out of the fact that he was the Reich’s the expert on the Jews but apparently he couldn’t speak, read or write Yiddish or Hebrew.
    If this was not your father was it perhaps a relative?

    Comment by HCW — August 27, 2015 @ 1:16 pm

    • Looking at previous blogs your father’s name was Benjamin.
      Was this the same man?

      Comment by HCW — August 27, 2015 @ 1:20 pm

    • The continous defamation in the Holocaust afremath. My Farher Rabbi Bejamin Murmelstein in May 1938 had been entrusted with the managment of Jewish emigration and, of course, had to face Eichmann. Murmelstein had to “teach” Eichmann about the practical problems of emigration; as he mentioned in the interview to Lanzmann now in film and in a booklet. Eichmann could not even tell apart hebrew letters from scribbles and certainly did not now jidish. At the moment of his capture Eichmann mentioned Baeck having him tought some hebrew words like the prayer SHEMAH ISRAEL …. ThIs too is one of Eichmann’s many lies. That guy stood long time in a German DP camp where bargains like I GIVE CIGARETTES AND YOU TEACH ME A JEWISH PRAYER AND SO I CAN GET SOME THING FROM THE JOINT … had been usual. And at last: who is the author of the book EICHMANN BEFORE JERUSALEM?

      Comment by Wolf MURMELSTEIN — August 27, 2015 @ 10:35 pm

      • The author’s name is Bettina Stangneth. The full title of the book is Eichman Before Jerusalem, the Unexamined Life of a Mass Murderer. It examines the life of Eichman between the end of World War Two, his capture and trial.
        If you feel this was an attempt at defamation this is not the case. I saw the name and became curious. From what I understand reading this blog your father was either part of or headed the Judenrat at Thierenstadt. These men had to make difficult choices to keep themselves and their communities alive.
        Unlike a lot of people on this blog I am not a Holocaust or Shoah Denier. I repeatedly and will continue to argue against denial because it perverts history and disrespects those who died, not only Jews but other victims of the Nazi regime.

        Comment by HCW — August 28, 2015 @ 4:52 am

      • Wolf, please refute all these ‘deniers’ by showing us all the autopsy reports proving the inmates died from cyanide poisoning…..not typhus, hunger (after the ‘allies’ bombed the infrastructure to pieces) etc.
        Perhaps you can also tell us why the SS authorities arrested and put on trial some SS camp commandants for mistreating prisoners & actually executed at least 2 of them…?
        Surely if there was a deliberate policy of genocide against jews, they would have given them a medal instead…?
        Finally, for now, please tell us why Churchill, Eisenhower and De Gaulle in their writings ((History of the 2nd World War 6 volumes (!) 1948-54, Crusade in Europe 1948, Memoires de guerre 3 volumes 1954-59 respectively, in total 7061 pages..!!)) do not mention gas chambers at all–not even once………not even in passing…….
        In the 3 volume 1948 report produced by no less than the International Red Cross there is no mention of gas chambers or gassing and the Red Cross were permitted to visit and distribute food parcels from 1942 onwards……..

        So could you kindly tell me why the greatest single example of mass murder in history is not mentioned in these works………

        Shalom,
        tom

        ps: HCW—THIS APPLIES TO YOU TOO………

        Comment by tom — August 28, 2015 @ 1:19 pm


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