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August 29, 2015

Norway is obsessing over the Gypsies who were gassed in the Holcocaust

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , , — furtherglory @ 10:35 am

Recently, my blog has been getting an inordinate number of hits from Norway. What could be going on in Norway?  I set out to find out why hundreds of people in Norway have been reading my blog in recent days.

I did a search and found this news article: http://www.socialworkhelper.com/2015/08/04/black-hole-european-history-prevents-full-understanding-present/

Gypsies being marched out of Norway, to be taken to the gas chamber

Gypsies being marched out of Norway, to be taken to the gas chamber (click on photo to enlarge)

The following quote is from the news article, cited above:

A couple of days ago, we commemorated the liquidation 71 years ago of the so-called “Gypsy family camp” at Auschwitz-Birkenau. On 2 August 1944, 2 897 persons were taken to the gas chambers and exterminated. Only a few months earlier, on 16 May 1944, the detainees of the “Gypsy camp” had refused to obey the orders of the SS soldiers who had come to kill them. Knowledge about both the Roma uprising and the liquidation of the “Gypsy camp” remains limited in European societies today.

Oh no!  The Gypsies had refused to obey the orders of the SS soldiers who had come to kill them!  What did the SS soldiers say to the Gypsies? Maybe they said something like “lie down and die, you thieving scum” but the Gypsies refused.  They insisted on being properly “exterminated” in a gas chamber.

A group of Gypsies waiting to be gassed at the Belzec extermination camp

A group of Gypsies waiting to be gassed at the Belzec extermination camp

For all the readers of my blog in Norway, here is what actually happened:

At Auschwitz-Birkenau, a “Gypsy family camp” was set up in wooden barracks in Section BIIe in the Birkenau camp in February 1943.

According to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC, the Gypsy camp was in existence for only seventeen months and most of the Gypsies perished.

The following quote is from the web site of the USHMM:

In a decree dated December 16, 1942, Himmler ordered the deportation of Gypsies and part-Gypsies to Auschwitz-Birkenau. At least 23,000 Gypsies were brought there, the first group arriving from Germany in February 1943. Most of the Gypsies at Auschwitz-Birkenau came from Germany or territories annexed to the Reich including Bohemia and Moravia. Police also deported small numbers of Gypsies from Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Norway.

[The two states of Bohemia and Moravia, which are now in the Czech Republic, were part of a German Protectorate from 1938 to 1945; they were not annexed into the Greater German Reich.]

The following quote about the gassing of the Gypsies is from the web site of the USHMM:

They (the Gypsies) were killed by gassing or died from starvation, exhaustion from hard labor, and disease (including typhus, smallpox, and the rare, leprosy-like condition called Noma.) Others, including many children, died as the result of cruel medical experiments performed by Dr. Josef Mengele and other SS physicians. The Gypsy camp was liquidated on the night of August 2-3, 1944, when 2,897 Sinti and Roma men, women, and children were killed in the gas chamber. Some 1,400 surviving men and women were transferred to Buchenwald and Ravensbrück concentration camps for forced labor.

According to a guidebook sold by the Auschwitz Museum in 2005, there were 20,943 Roma (Gypsies) who were gassed in the Krema V gas chamber; their bodies were burned in the pits adjacent to Krema V.

Rudolf Hoess wrote in his autobiography, entitled Death Dealer, that many of the Gypsy children suffered from an illness called “Noma,” which reminded him of leprosy.

Gypsy children suffering from a disease called

Gypsy children suffering from a disease called “Noma.”

According to Rudolf Hoess, Heinrich Himmler inspected the Gypsy camp on his visit in July 1942. Hoess wrote in his autobiography entitled Death Dealer:

Himmler inspected everything thoroughly. He saw the over-crowded barracks, the inadequate hygienic conditions, the overflowing infirmaries and the sick in the isolation ward. […] Himmler saw everything in detail, as it really was. Then he ordered me to gas them. Those who were still able to work were to be selected, just as with the Jews.

In his date book, Heinrich Himmler noted that, on his visit to Auschwitz in July 1942, he inspected the main camp, the farm at Auschwitz and the Monowitz factories, where photographs were taken of him. He did not mention that he visited Birkenau.

Danuta Czech wrote in her book entitled Kalendarium that 1,408 Gypsies who were able to work were transferred to the main Auschwitz camp and housed in Blocks 10 and 11 on May 23, 1944. They were later sent to the Buchenwald concentration camp, where there is a memorial sculpture in commemoration of the Roma.

The selection of the Gypsies for the gas chamber took two years, according to Commandant Rudolf Hoess. Regarding the liquidation of the Gypsy Family Camp on August 2, 1944, Hoess wrote the following:

By August 1944 there were only about four thousand Gypsies left and these had to go into the gas chambers. Until that time they did not know what fate was in store for them. Only as they were marched barrack after barrack to Crematory I did they figure out what was going on.

When Hoess wrote that the Gypsies were marched to Crematory 1, he was undoubtedly referring to Krema II, which was a short distance from the Gypsy camp. Crematory 1, or Krema I in German, was in the main Auschwitz camp, three kilometers from Birkenau. By August 1944, Krema I was no longer in operation as a gas chamber.

Both the USHMM and the Auschwitz Museum say that the number of Gypsies gassed on August 2, 1942 was 2,897, not “four thousand” as Hoess stated. However, according to the article below, the number of 4,000 given by Hoess might actually be closer to the correct number of Gypsies who were gassed.

Regarding the gassing of the Gypsies, Dr. Miklos Nyiszli wrote the following:

Annihilation time had come for the 4,500 inhabitants of the Gypsy Camp. The measures taken were the same as those taken for the liquidation of the Czech Camp. All the barracks were quarantined. SS guards, leading their police dogs, invaded the Gypsy quarters and chased the inhabitants outside, where they were made to line up. Rations of bread and salami were distributed. The gypsies were made to believe that they were being shipped to another camp, and they swallowed the story. A very easy and efficacious way of calming their fears. No one thought of the crematoriums, for then why would rations of food have been distributed?

This strategy on the part of the SS was dictated neither by pity nor a regard for those condemned to death, but merely by their desire to expedite a large group of people, without any unnecessary incidents or delays, to the gas chambers, guarded by a relatively small patrol. The strategy worked to perfection. Everything went off as planned. Throughout the night the chimneys of number one and two crematoriums sent flames roaring skyward, so that the entire camp was lighted with a sinister glow.

If Dr. Nyiszli’s story is correct, the method of calming the fears of the Gypsies amounted to a tremendous waste of bread and salami. Or was the “salami” actually what Americans call Thuringer, a type of smoked, semi-dry German sausage similar to our summer sausage? It is doubtful that the Nazis imported salami for the Auschwitz prisoners.

Note that Dr. Nyiszli, who worked in the “crematoriums” performing autopsies for Dr. Josef Mengele, referred to “number one and two crematoriums” but he obviously meant Krema II and Krema III at Birkenau, not Krema I, which was at the main camp.

The total number of Gypsies killed in the Holocaust is unknown. Numbers vary, from 220,00 estimated by the USHMM, to an estimated 500,000.

One of the three Operation Reinhard camps, Belzec was allegedly the first camp to begin the gassing of Jews and Gypsies in March 1942.

Gypsies were forced to work in the Dachau camp

Gypsies were forced to work in the Dachau camp, but for some reason, they were not gassed at Dachau

30 Comments »

  1. OT

    Noticed this comment on a news story from Milwaukee about an ugly beating at a gas station/convenience store:

    I’m sorry, but what “fight” are you talking about? I see two people stomping someone.

    Were death camp guards “fighting” with Jews when they stomped them at Auschwitz?

    When you see Auschwitz death camp pictures of guards beating Jews senseless is the “reason for the fight unclear” to you?

    People feel free to ascribe every imaginable cruelty to “death camp guards” — they will never be asked to provide proof that what they say actually happened (regularly) — it is just taken for granted that it did. After all, they were “death camps”, right?

    Comment by eah — August 31, 2015 @ 4:30 am

    • “When you see Auschwitz death camp pictures of guards beating Jews senseless is the “reason for the fight unclear” to you?”

      I wonder where that person has already seen pictures of Auschwitz guards beating Jews senseless. Oh yes, I was forgetting. That was in Hollywood movies. People are such gullible morons. Amazing…😮

      Comment by hermie — August 31, 2015 @ 7:36 am

  2. This is the same Norway that was making sure it was defeceless in the late 1930s so that the Red army could walk on through. You can be sure that the jew run CHEKA/OGPU would have snuffed every last gypsy out within the month of entry into the country.

    Comment by thestoker — August 31, 2015 @ 1:42 am

  3. make that read “parsing the confessions of captured Nazi concentration camp commandants.” And while your at it watch this documentary which proves Adolf Eichmann was never kidnapped by the Mossad in Argentina. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0569i90Gpuo. When it comes to the Holocaust death cult we have all been sorely disinformed by it’s priesthood. The only lesson to be learned from it is compliance.

    Comment by who dares wings — August 30, 2015 @ 2:32 pm

  4. HCW why don’t you get off the couch in front of your television and do some deep research? The U.S. Army Department of Psychological Warfare SHAEF colluded with The OSS R &A (Research and Analysis), Charles Dwork (OSS Jewish Desk), Steven Wise (American Jewish Committee), Hillel Kook (aka Peter Bergson, Irgun opertive), Gerhart Reignert (World Jewish Congress, Switzerland), Allen Dulles (OSS, Switerzland), Sir Bruce Lockhart PWE (Political Warfare Executive, London), Victor Rothschild SOE (Special Operations Executive, London) and the Polish Government in Exile in London to create the false news that Germans were mass murdering Jews in homicidal gas chambers during WWII. As the war wound down Victor Cavendish-Bentinik of the PWE (former British Ambassador to Poland) suggested to the head of British Intelligence that it was time to retire that story. http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/Cavendish_Bentinck.pdf Nobody who seriously studies the weaponized fraud that is the Holocaust legend concerns themselves anymore with parsing the confessions of captured Nazis. Ernst Zundel and his team settled these debates in a court of law in Toronto first in l985 and again in 1988. “Lie witness” Rudolf Verba (cousin of SOE agent Vera Atkins) and Raul Hilberg (widely considered the world’s pre-eminent Holocaust scholar) left feathers of the crow they were made to eat during their cross examinations scattered all over the floor of the witness box!

    Comment by who dares wings — August 30, 2015 @ 2:16 pm

    • Always very pleasant to read comments written by knowledgeable guys like you, who dares wings.

      Minor misspellings in your comment: “Stephen Wise” instead of “Steven Wise”, and “Rudolf Vrba” instead of “Rudolf Verba”.

      Comment by hermie — August 31, 2015 @ 7:43 am

    • Um, you just said that Eichman was never kidnapped by the Mossad.
      Who did they put on trial then? Eichman’s clone?
      Wait, did the U.S. Government kidnap Eichman and then take him to Area 51 and that’s where the Mossad got his clone?
      Where do you do your research, your mother’s basement? Are the alien overlords holding you captive? Do you need me to call 911 for you?
      I very rarely read your comments, one look is usually enough to scare me off but you mentioned me specifically so I read it. Just to let you know, I simply don’t buy into conspiracy theories. Human beings don’t keep secrets very well.
      As far as research, I’ve read extensively about WW2. Granted, I learn new things about it all of the time so by no means do I consider myself an expert.
      If it helps, I do like the X-Files.

      Comment by HCW — September 4, 2015 @ 2:58 pm

  5. Hoess wrote in his autobiography entitled Death Dealer:

    What exactly is the story behind Höss’ alleged authorship of this book? I presume this is just the English title of his so-called autobiography/memoirs (called ‘Kommandant in Auschwitz’ auf Deutsch). On the German Wikipedia page about Höss, it says:

    In polnischer Gefangenschaft verfasste Höß seine Autobiografie mit umfangreichen Aufzeichnungen zu den Ereignissen im Konzentrationslager Auschwitz.

    So here it’s claimed he wrote the book while jailed in Poland, and it’s mainly about what happened in Auschwitz (if he thought confessing again, in more detail, would gain him anything, he was wrong).

    Dabei korrigierte und präzisierte er einige Ausführungen seiner Aussage.

    It seems the book is based on his earlier written confession — entirely in English (did Höss speak English?) — and testimony before the IMT. In the book, Höss corrected and made more precise some of what he earlier put before the IMT.

    Höss’ German Wikipedia page exhibits an explicit consciousness of the fact some dispute what Höss said, both before the IMT, and in his book.

    Holocaustleugner versuchen regelmäßig, die Zuverlässigkeit der Aussagen und der Autobiografie von Rudolf Höß in Zweifel zu ziehen, um das umfassende Eingeständnis seines Beitrags zum Holocaust unglaubwürdig erscheinen zu lassen.

    Here it says ‘Holocaust deniers’ regularly try to impugn the reliability of Höss’s IMT confession and testimony, as well as his book.

    Seine Ausführungen in den Vernehmungsprotokollen und in seiner Autobiografie zeigen jedoch einen durchgehenden Handlungsstrang,..

    But in all of what he says, there is a consistent storyline — only the details differ. He did make a few mistakes — eg saying Himmler ordered him to exterminate the Jews in 1941 (verbally of course — there is no record of that), whereas it is generally now thought this happened in 1942.

    Anyway, there is a lot of text, the soul purpose of which is to try to refute the ‘Holocaust deniers’ who say Höss is not reliable — the authors take that seriously.

    But there is also this:

    “…Was in dem Protokoll drin steht, weiß ich nicht, obwohl ich es unterschrieben habe. Doch Alkohol und Peitsche waren auch für mich zuviel.”

    Höss claims he did not know what was in the (English) confession he signed, and that alcohol and brutality were used on him. And if his book is based on that…?

    Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 7:28 am

  6. Last time I was in Berlin there were hundreds of Gypsies on the Unter den Linden begging from tourists. ” You speak English ? ” .. never say yes . They are descended from a few hundred who migrated from the Indian sub continent into Europe in the 14 th century. Now there are millions of Roma throughout Europe living off their host population.
    Here we have courtesy of youtube a German politician welcoming the ” new Germans ” to their new homeland. Strangely they don’t wish to speak German to him but prefer to speak English.

    Comment by peter — August 29, 2015 @ 2:57 pm

    • After 10 years, in many cases longer, 3 of 4 “refugees” in Denmark are still jobless, they and their families still a burden on taxpayers:

      Drei von vier Flüchtlingen, die in den frühen 2000er Jahren nach Dänemark kamen, sind zehn Jahre später arbeitslos.

      That’s why they come — for a free life in a nice, white country.

      Comment by eah — August 29, 2015 @ 11:31 pm

    • Last time I was in Berlin there were hundreds of Gypsies on the Unter den Linden

      I’ve not seen that myself. But in general, in the last few years, especially since Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU, public transport in Berlin looks more third world-ish.

      And some areas of Germany have been hard hit by the influx, since they tend to collect in the same place(s).

      Mit der Geduld am Ende

      ‘Out of Patience’ — a part of Duisburg has been decimated by an influx of gypsies.

      Die Strukturdaten des Stadtteils sind deprimierend: Marxloh hat 19.000 Einwohner, davon sind 16 Prozent arbeitslos. Bei Personen mit ausländischen Wurzeln sind es sogar 64 Prozent. 90 Prozent der Grundschulkinder sind der deutschen Sprache nicht mächtig.

      64% unemployment among immigrants. 90% of schoolkids do not speak German (most Germans long ago fled the area).

      Comment by eah — August 29, 2015 @ 11:58 pm

  7. Thank you ! Somebody has finally acknowledged the gypsies. They may very well have been bottom shelf brand in the eyes of the other prisoners,but they were human beings none the less. One of Gods creations ( my apologies to those who don’t believe. I’m not trying to offend anyone). As untrustworthy they can be,they’re still humans. Hell I admire them. I can hear their “big brass balls”,clanging from beyond the grave. They “insisted” on being gassed? That takes huge stones to do that. I tip my hat to them. I find it interesting that the Jews can give us an exact number of how many of them died,but they’re are in the dark with the number of gypsies. I see the Jews corrected the number from 6,000,000 to 4,000,000, yet I still hear a lot of people running around using 6,000,000. How do we know the number of gypsies is not higher than what is presented here. At any rate,congrats on a piece that was way over due.

    Comment by Tim — August 29, 2015 @ 12:00 pm

    • I don’t think that the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust has been “corrected”. Even though the numbers at Auschwitz have been downgraded from 4 million to 1.1 million and the numbers at Majdanek have been downgraded to 59,000, the 6 million number is still the same.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 29, 2015 @ 12:23 pm

    • I agree with you. At least I finally got Hermie to admit that the Nazis killed the handicapped. We do forget the other victims.

      Comment by HCW — August 29, 2015 @ 2:18 pm

      • Glad that made your day, HCW. You should have asked about it earlier as I have never denied Aktion T4. I deny nevertheless that gas chambers were used in that program. Lethal injections, yes. Gas chambers, BS…

        Comment by hermie — August 29, 2015 @ 6:52 pm

        • That’s a lot of lethal injections. Seems to me the Germans could’ve come up with something more efficient…like poisonous gas.

          Comment by HCW — August 29, 2015 @ 9:34 pm

          • HCW: “That’s a lot of lethal injections. Seems to me the Germans could’ve come up with something more efficient…like poisonous gas.”

            You’re right. Millions of people are vaccinated every year. But a few thousands of injections was probably an insurmountable task for the doctors of German asylums.

            Ironically, in November 1942, when Arch Zionist Stephen Wise told the world for the first time about Hitler’s alleged extermination order, he claimed that the Germans were moving the Jews “in Hitler ruled European countries to Poland,” where German doctors were injecting air bubbles into their their veins, “at the rate of more than 100 men an hour, per doctor”, “to speed the slaughter.”

            Funny to see you’re now moving to “more efficient” killing methods after brushing the most embarrassing technical absurdities of the Holohoax during the past weeks by claiming that the moronic weapons of mass murder allegedly used by the Nazis don’t disprove your so dear ‘Holocaust’…

            Comment by hermie — August 30, 2015 @ 10:48 am

            • Edit: “after brushing the most embarrassing technical absurdities of the Holohoax aside”

              Comment by hermie — August 31, 2015 @ 6:03 am

          • Stephen Wise told the world…

            Here is a link to a foto cops of a couple of original newspaper articles about that — it can easily be enlarged so the text is clearly readable. The date of the articles is Nov 25, 1942. In the articles it says:

            …Wise said the nazis were moving some four-fifths of the Jews in Hitler-ruled European countries to Poland. There he said nazi doctors were killing them at the rate of “more than 100 men an hour, per doctor”, by injecting air bubbles into their veins — the “simplest and cheapest method” they could find.

            I did not know that German/”nazi” doctors had been slandered like that.

            Comment by eah — August 30, 2015 @ 11:14 am

            • Thanks for the link, eah. I had already read that in numerous wartime articles. But new sources are always welcomed.

              Comment by hermie — August 31, 2015 @ 6:08 am

            • Of course the most interesting things is this: all the lies that were told back then. Not only during the war, but after. Just outright lies. And there were many. If some people do not like the word lies, which implies a knowing attempt to deceive, then falsehoods. Obviously many falsehoods were related about the Nazis and what they were doing to and did to the Jews. But I also have to think that behind every falsehood — ie the unwitting re-telling of something that is not true — is a lie. That is, at the outset someone was intent on deception.

              After learning all of that, it is, let’s say, somewhat more difficult to take the extermination story at face value. Because you start to ask yourself if that is not also a falsehood. Or even a lie.

              Comment by eah — August 31, 2015 @ 9:15 am

  8. Norwegians ought to worry more about immigrants raping their women.

    Comment by eah — August 29, 2015 @ 11:12 am

  9. … nor was there a plan or practice of gassing gypsies!!!!

    Comment by Diane King — August 29, 2015 @ 11:12 am

  10. True, Clent and ‘furtherglory’. Still, there was not a program to ‘gas’ jews. Even had there been ANYTHING, it did not occur in Germany and the camps in Poland were not constructed to sustain ANY type of function involving gassing – showers, fumigation of clothing, yes, but not gassing/murder of people! Will keep repeating it as long as it is necessary….

    Comment by Diane King — August 29, 2015 @ 11:11 am

  11. Of course had the holocaust, as reported been true, we would all be rejoicing as there would be no gypsies left in europe. The scum and blight that gypsies are and leave behind them would be no more. These people are without foundation or purpose, much like wasps or herpes. Hitler would have done us all a favour by eliminating this pile of shit. But sadly the reports of the holocaust have been much exaggerated as witnessed by the ever growing number of gypsy wastrels seen in and around europe these days…

    Comment by Clent — August 29, 2015 @ 10:41 am

    • Be careful when dealing with Gypsies in Europe. If you don’t give them money, they will punch you.

      Comment by furtherglory — August 29, 2015 @ 10:48 am

    • Another rational comment by your neighborhood Holocaust Denier. It’s funny, they agree that it would be great if Hitler killed the Jews/Gypsies, etc. Then in the next breath they say he didn’t do it. I guess what they can’t see is that things they want to do Hitler had the power to do.

      Comment by HCW — August 29, 2015 @ 3:12 pm


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