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September 5, 2015

The Dutch Jews who returned to the Netherlands after the Holocaust

Filed under: Germany, Holocaust — Tags: , — furtherglory @ 9:26 am
The Anne Frank house is on the left side of the house with red shutters

The Anne Frank house is on the left side of the house with red shutters (click on the photo for a larger size)  Photo: Peter Horree/Alamy

The photo above is shown in a news article about the Dutch Jews in the Holocaust. The photo below is my photo of the Anne Frank House.  You can read all about Anne Frank on this page of my website:  http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AnneFrank/AnneFrank01.html

My photo of the Anne Frank house

My photo of the Anne Frank house

This quote is from the news article which you can read in full here:

Amsterdam will refund relatives of hundreds of Jews who were fined for being late with their rent during their incarceration in World War II concentration camps, city officials said Friday.

“From today, the descendants of the families can ask to be reimbursed for the fines imposed for late rental payments during World War II, which were unfairly collected,” the Dutch city said in a statement.

The issue came to light in April 2013 when a student published archive documents in which Jews who had escaped from the concentration camps were billed for arrears on properties belonging to the city of Amsterdam.

The city even imposed fines for late rents on houses which had been confiscated by the Nazis and occupied by Germans or members of the Dutch National Socialist Movement, the NSB.

Some of the homes had even been destroyed in the German bombing campaign.

I am confused.  I thought that the Dutch Jews were killed in the Holocaust. But it seems that some of them escaped from the concentration camps, and they have descendants, who are alive and well and want money from the Germans.

I blogged about the Dutch Jews on this blog post:

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/the-story-of-the-dutch-jews-get-curiouser-and-curiouser/

Follow the links on the blog post cited above to learn more about the Dutch Jews.

34 Comments »

  1. I am watching the news about the 800,000 refugees that are pouring into Germany. A news person said that DURING THE HOLOCAUST, America took in Jews who were escaping from persecution. No, it was only AFTER the Holocaust, that America took in Jews. Franklin Roosevelt specifically turned away Jews who were trying to escape from the Nazis. This was because he wanted them to go to Palestine.

    Comment by furtherglory — September 5, 2015 @ 1:31 pm

  2. I was standing outside the Anne Frank Huis in the Jordaan neighborhood in Amsterdam one morning debating on whether or not to pay the $12 entry fee when a this “Knock Knock” joke popped uninvited into my head…

    Knock, knock.
    Whse there?
    Guess.
    Guess who?
    Gestapo! You are under arrest for selling pectin on the back market Mr. Frank. Come with us.

    http://www.annefrankguide.net/en-US/bronnenbank.asp?aid=35646

    I decided not to pay to see the Secret Annex and went back to the Red Light District and bought a whore.

    Comment by who dares wings — September 5, 2015 @ 12:14 pm

    • I was advised that it was very dangerous to go to the red light district, so I didn’t go there.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 5, 2015 @ 1:23 pm

      • The Anne Frank house sits by whorehouses ? I figure if it’s a landmark,that shit wouldn’t fly.

        Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 1:29 pm

    • Otto Frank was doing more than selling pectin on the black market. I blogged about why he was arrested on another blog post at https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/anne-frank-what-if/

      The following quote is from that blog post:

      Anne Frank’s mother was an Orthodox Jew but her father was not very religious; he was not a Zionist. Besides that, the Franks didn’t qualify for the prisoner exchange camp at Bergen-Belsen because Otto Frank was a fugitive from justice.

      In 1933, when Hitler came to power, Otto Frank was not in danger of being persecuted — he was in danger of being prosecuted. That’s right, Otto Frank and his brother were both indicted for bank fraud in 1933, and were scheduled to be put on trial. Otto Frank tried to get a visa to come to America, but was denied, so he escaped to Holland and entered the country illegally. His family followed him a few months later.

      Otto Frank had been preparing a hiding place for months, while he told everyone that the family was planning to escape to Switzerland. In July 1942, Margot Frank received a letter from the Zentralstelle für jüdische Auswanderung (Central Office for Jewish Emigration), ordering her to report to a work camp. The next day, the Frank family moved into the annex.

      Otto Frank’s family had been rich for many years, and his wife’s family was even richer. For centuries, no one in either of their families had ever worked a day doing manual labor. It was unthinkable that 16-year-old Margot would have to work with her hands on a farm or in a factory.

      Comment by furtherglory — September 5, 2015 @ 1:49 pm

      • “Pectin?” As in fruit pectin. What they use in food? The stuff that comes from plants? Why was that illegal?

        Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 5:20 pm

        • Pectin is used in making jelly. Pectin is not illegal but Otto Frank was doing something illegal in his company, which was named Opekta. I don’t remember what he was doing that was illegal. I think it had something to do with selling his product to the German army at a lower price, thus putting other companies out of business.

          Comment by furtherglory — September 5, 2015 @ 5:48 pm

          • So he was trying to get a monopoly of sorts going? Weren’t the Jews already on the Krauts shit list at that time? I ask cause the Jews wouldn’t have been allowed to trade with jerries,correct? What would happen if a Kraut army got caught trading with a Jew . Would the the entire German army face sanctions or just the Jew they traded with. If he’s trading with the army,sounds like he’s moving major weight. How can you hide something that big,or was he greasing someone’s palms with some major cash. ?

            Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 7:25 pm

          • Wolfman. Do you have anything for me about Ottos trafficking in pectin? I told you that you’re a well educated man on the holocaust and it’s notable figures from it . So I figure you might know something about his underground activities.

            Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 7:38 pm

            • Dear Tim! I do nothing about the Frank family and their affairs. Frankly, I am not an encyclopedia. Good bye.

              Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 6, 2015 @ 11:18 am

              • See, there you go again. I told you I ask you questions also,because you seem to be an educated individual . Given the fact that Anne Frank is basically associated with the holocaust,I figured you might know something of her fathers exploits. That’s the exact reason why I can’t stand snot nosed,educated ,eggheads. Ya think you’re better than the rest of the world. A simple,” I’m sorry. I don’t much about Anne Franks father”,would’ve been fine. Instead you turn it into a major Hollywood production. Someone put a weed up your ass big time .

                Comment by Tim — September 6, 2015 @ 11:51 am

                • Dear Tim! First of all I am in no way an egghead. Then I simply do not know anything about the Frank family. At due time I watched the film about Anna Frank but could not read to end her journal; too strong for me. That is all. Have a nice week.

                  Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 7, 2015 @ 6:22 am

                • Thank you. Was that so hard ? I call you an”egghead “, cause you act like one. You talk down to. Not with a person. my pop is 90. He ain’t gonna be around much longer. When he and the rest of the people that fought WW2 are gone,all we’re gonna have left are the history books. Once you’re gone and the rest of the H survivors,we gonna be stuck with the history books. From where I sit,the history books ain’t worth dick. They’d be good for kindling,that’s about it

                  Comment by Tim — September 7, 2015 @ 7:54 am

      • I’m jumping from one subject to the next here,but so much different shit keeps popping up here,it’s kinda hard to figure one out before the next one pops up.

        Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 5:24 pm

      • Clear I could not care less about Otto Frank At any rate in 1933 for a Jew prosecution had been a form of persecution.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 6, 2015 @ 2:15 pm

        • Otto Frank’s brother went to America to escape prosecution for bank fraud. Are you saying that he was being persecuted because he had committed a crime? He had to escape to avoid persecution? Otto Frank also tried to escape to America to avoid prosecution, but he could not get in, so he went into hiding instead.

          Comment by furtherglory — September 6, 2015 @ 3:46 pm

          • FG. You said he was trading with the Kraut army on the black market. If he’s trading with the army,then he’d be moving major weight. Correct . Trading with Jews was not no,but hell no. No body was asking where the stuff came from. I’m guessing there’s not gonna be any paperwork surface on it. So what’s the straight skinny on this?

            Comment by Tim — September 6, 2015 @ 5:01 pm

  3. A certain number of Duch Jews managed to remain in hiding until Liberation. Many had been sent to Sobibor and Auschwitz, few returned. A group had been sent to the Bergen Belsen exchange camp where many of them survived. In 1944 a group had been sent to Theresienstad, many of them survived. So there is no reason to be confused.
    Certainly those who took part, with Germans, in profiting on enterprises and other assets belonging to Jews certainly regret that someone returned or had had informed heirs.

    Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 5, 2015 @ 11:09 am

    • They were in lockdown. Fell behind on the rent and were fined for that? Is that correct? If that is,then it don’t make good sense. Where’s the logic. I mean it falls under the catagory of ,” kicking a person when their down”. If the government was behind this,then I’m gonna have to side with the Jews on this one. Refund time.

      Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 12:06 pm

      • Tim! So Afroamericans as Jews – You say Hebs – for centuries had been exploited and persecuted. And things are not much better nowadays. Good bye.

        Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 5, 2015 @ 12:35 pm

        • Wolfman! Drop your condescending ,”I’m better than you are”.,attitude. I asked a simple God damned question. That’s all ! I’ve said it a thousand times here. I don’t have the first clue as to what’s going on. Judas H, Priest ! I hope the hell im not as shitty as you,when I hit your age. Don’t you dare,lump me in with “ANy” group of people. I don’t like being stereotyped. I listen to 2 individuals on Here,more than anyone else. You and FG. FG has started running some of your work. FG takes you seriously. I figure you can be taken seriously. I’m trying to figure out what the f**k is going on here. Has the history I’ve been taught correct or are the people that write history,just blowing sunshine up my ass. You seem like an educated person. That’s why I’m inclined to listen to you. You’re starting to sound like this CO I had in ‘Nam. Thought he was better than everybody. Talked down to everyone. Wouldn’t listen to any of us poor slobs. One of our guys saluted him one day when a sniper was in the area. Bam! He left in a bodybag. My point there. Try listening to a mutha f**ka every now and again. I’ve tried all my life,not to hate eggheads ( educated liberals ), but god damn ! People like you come along and try the f**k outta me. Come down off your high horse and mingle with us “f**kin philistines” ( I got that from a DI I had in Boot. As new army recruits we were the lowest form of life. That’s why he addressed as such after clocking us in the jaw because one of us pissed him off). You seem to be a smart,well spoken person. How about you help,instead of hinder? Would you rather I converse with the people on here that crack Jew jokes and say “kill all f**kin Jews “. I’m nobodies god damned circus monkey. Jews. Hebs. That ain’t personal. I dated a niponese woman ( Japanese ) one time. I ain’t got nothing them. Somebody ask me what I’m gonna do today. I’ll probably say,”well I gotta get my fat redneck ass to do ………” Words. That’s all they are. Told you I know what hate is. I grew up in Orlando long fore Disney came to town. I’d hear these inbred racist ( yes. I do mean that in a hateful way) say shit like,” let’s go hunt niggras tonight” (that’s how the inbreeders said ni**er). I know what hate is. So don’t you dare drop me in that group. Like I said,you seem to know what you’re talking about. So before you start talking out your ass,please,ask for clarification . You remember I told you about Jeff ( AKA Wolf). He was that Jew I served with in ‘Nam. I told you he lost people in the holocaust. I didn’t really know much about it. Whenever I asked him questions about it,he never got short with me or talked down to me. He would try to help me understand. You have the knowledge. What don’t you try that route. I told you. I’m trying to figure this shit out. If you wish to help me,it be much appreciated. You don’t wanna help,then fine. I’ll just listen to the BS that the racist on here have to say. By the way. Don’t knock Americans. You fall just as short as we do

          Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 1:26 pm

          • Dear Tim! I did not want to hurt Your feelings; at any rate kindly excuse me. Please remember, however, that many Jews – or Hebs – stood on the side of Martin Luther King at the time when he started struggle,

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 5, 2015 @ 1:56 pm

            • Feelings ? Like I said,pop told me long ago,”welcome to the world son. Nobodies loved”. I was introduced to China White while in ‘Nam. I came back with one nasty ass addiction. I got clean ( and I’m still clean) after a little over 2 years back home. I lucked out. My sponsor from NA was a ‘Nam vet too. He was in country at the worst possible time. He was there for Tet. He had it worse than I did. He told me to learn to keep a lid on my feelings or they’d eat me alive. Sound advice. It’s worked. Nah man. It’s all good. I will add to my list,the Herminator. You , the herminator and FG always present facts with the material to back your ass up. That’s why I follow what the 3 of yall say. Like I said I ignore the racist that show up on the site. Far as I’m concerned the racist can go look up “United Klans of America (the KKK). They’d be welcome there. This is a site for education. I’m trying to learn. I know Jews marched with Dr. King. So did Hispanics and white boys. I also know 2 Jews were murdered by some klansman along with a local black man in Mississippi . All they wanted to do was help the blacks,register to vote. I’m sorry,but that wasn’t a Jewish issue. It could’ve a couple white boys from NYC come down there. They would’ve been murdered all the same. Klan didn’t want the blacks voting. I remember a pile of shit from the klan named “dynamite Bob”. He blew up a church in Birmingham . Murdered 4 little black girls in the process. All they wanted to do was come worship the lord,but they ended up dead. This shit is still going on ! Last week. A deputy with the Harris County (Houston,texas . I live about an hour and a half from there) Sheriffs Department was gunned down in cold blood. He was just getting gas in his patrol car. A black guy walks up behind him and just starts shooting him ( he was too chickenshit to face the deputy and shoot him). The deputy falls and he still keeps shooting. The assholes at the Black Panthers were applauding this guy. Hell. Racist hate everyone,not just Jews . That’s why I said I listen to what the 3 of you have to say. I’ll draw my own conclusions . Hell with all the articles that keep popping up on this site, I’ll probably be dead before I can ever reach my conclusion. I told you I respect what you have to say. Clearly FG does too. You’ve become a co-contributer on this site so to speak. I read the article where it said those folks were fined for being late with rent . The history books sure as shit don’t teach that. I know one thing I’m trying to figure out. Why a lot of Krauts,that didn’t have shit to do with the holocaust,are being made to feel guilty. Couple years back I saw this pretty lil German gal on TV . Crying her eyes out. She had so much guilt inside over what the nazis did in WW2. She had no reason to feel that way ! However society wants to keep pounding on her. “You’re a Kraut,so you’re guilty”. That’s why I’m trying to learn. F**k the history books ! I want to hear people with first hand knowledge or people that can point me to material that’s not given in the history books. That’s why I listen to people like the 3 of yall. Yeah. Some of my questions may seem piss ignorant,but I ain’t been studying on this as long as y’all have. So just help me with the answers or point me in the right direction. Understanding is the only way all this is ever gonna be put to rest. It ain’t gonna happen with with all the bickering and accusations that people fling at each other. That goes for all races. This issue is as good a place as any to start

              Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 5:08 pm

              • By the way, Tim, thank you for your service to our country. I know you Vietnam vets had a rough time of it coming back. I agree with protest, that’s one of the Great things about this country, but bagging on soldiers is wrong. Protest the person that sent them, not the soldiers that suffer.

                Comment by HCW — September 7, 2015 @ 7:50 pm

                • I guess I was lucky. I think I got a couple ,”you’re a piece of shit” looks from people. That happened in San Francisco . I changed flights . I had a few hours to kill before my next flight. I hit the lounge. Businessmen stressing over contracts. Husbands fighting with their wives over the phone. Pilots trying to get a home run with a flight attendant. Nobody noticed or gave a shit that I was in an U S Army uniform. The world didn’t stop because I was on holiday. That bar was a welcome respite.

                  Comment by Tim — September 8, 2015 @ 10:08 am

        • for centuries had been exploited and persecuted

          Wolf, did you know that Liberia has been an independent nation since 1947? And that Whites are not allowed to be citizens of Liberia? Here is what the CIA World Factbook says about Liberia

          Liberia is a low income country that relies heavily on foreign assistance

          I’m tired of reading your sort of nonsense.

          Comment by eah — September 5, 2015 @ 2:26 pm

          • CIA ? Wha a joke. They’re the biggest idiots in the world. I found out how big of a laugh they were from Southeast Asia. “Remote Viewing?” Those assholes pissed away my tax dollars on that ? They’ve seen one too many science fiction movies. Those idiots didn’t even see the fall of communism coming. They found out like the rest of us….CNN

            Comment by Tim — September 5, 2015 @ 5:15 pm

          • And I am fed up with the fault finding attitude of some commentators here; You included.

            Comment by Wolf MURNELSTEIN — September 5, 2015 @ 11:25 pm

            • Wolf . Take a break . It’s game day. We got ESPN showing yesterday’s Florida State vs Texas State. 59 to 16 final score. Golson from FSU threw threw 4 TD passes. That’s what I wanna see. FSU is rebuilding their team and a few people didn’t think they’d do all that good. Surprise ! The game I’m waiting on is Texas A&M vs Alabama. A&M is gonna be wanting blood on this game. Crimson Tide spanked the hell outta A&M last year . 59 to 0. That’s some sad shit right there. Crimson Tide . SEC champs last year. Alabama is playing A&M this year at college station . A&M home field . They better have their shit in one sock. If Alabama stomps them on their home turf,then A&M better just bury their head in the sand. That game ain’t gonna get here soon enough for me . “Roll Bama,Roll Tide!” That’s what I’m talking about.

              Comment by Tim — September 6, 2015 @ 9:05 am

              • Hey Tim, did you catch the end of the BYU-Nebraska game?
                This is the best time of the year.

                Comment by HCW — September 6, 2015 @ 9:11 am

                • NFL starts next week. I’m in Heaven.

                  Comment by HCW — September 6, 2015 @ 9:12 am

                • I’ve never been a really big fan of pre-season,but I followed it a bit this year. Arizona hired Jen Welter. First female NFL coach. She was there on an intern basis. She only did 3 games. They said she mostly dealt with linebackers. I was surprised that went over at all. She left the team after the 3rd game . From what I heard,the players respected her. I kinda the players would have the ,”this is no place for a girl”,but they didn’t . I’m sure we’ll see more of her in the future with the NFL . I know Floyd Mayweather is a big fan of hers. He gave her tickets ringside to his fight with Berto. They said the Mayweather side is gonna give some sort of participation in the event. They didn’t say what though.

                  Comment by Tim — September 6, 2015 @ 9:38 am

          • To correct something: Liberia has been independent since 1847 — not 1947.

            A link the CIA World Factbook page on Liberia — the World Factbook just gives basic info on the all countries in the world. There is really no evidence that it is biased or wrong — no reason to see it that way.

            Comment by eah — September 8, 2015 @ 4:25 am

  4. You have to ask how this came about. I suspect jewish pressure was applied for some time to ensure this result but of course they haven’t worked out that it won’t amount to much but will focus attention on the issue you raise; that being Dutch Jews were sent away to their deaths, so they claim, yet are able to reclaim this money. Funny old world isn’t it?

    Comment by Clent — September 5, 2015 @ 10:35 am


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